Oxycotin relapse (sort of)

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Hello everyone, as you might know from my posts below, I have a problem with Oxy's. Here is the situation. Today is 13 days without doing Oxycotin, however my girlfriend and I did percocect last night. I guess we were trying to see how they would effect us. We took two apiece and BAMM, we were flying. My question is this. By doing the percocet last night, will our recovery be affected? I know that physically we feel fine. I am concerned about the mental effect of doing them will have on us as I am about to fill a script for a ton of Oxy's. I was kind of wishing that we were going to wake up today with the shakes. This way we would have never considered using anything again as the withdraw is to much to handel. Unfourtunatly, we feel great today so I wonder if we will be able to dabble with the Oxy's. In other word's will one or two once or twice a week effect us? I know that every one is different but I thought some of you might have some insite to my new problem.

[Mike P. to Ken]

You really think you'll only do one or two twice a week? Honestly? And you want someone here to say - "yeah, you can do it no problem." Welcome back Chad. You never really left.

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Amen. You never even left. You are not even focused on recovery. All this time and attention you have recieved here and you still want to abuse drugs? Well, be my guest! Remember that you have a God given choice concerning what you do in life. No one can say yes or no for you. The choice is only your's to make.

Best of luck!

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

First of all, I did not use any oxycotin. Secondly, excuse me for having a relapse and using two percocet. My question WAS, can a person use this drug once in awhile without trouble? I do not plan to ever use them again. If I got the urge I want to be able to make it pefectly clear to myself that you can not use Oxy on a recreational basis. My main question is, by doing what I did last night (2 percocet) going to damage my recovery? My outlook on drugs remains the same. I hate them and never plan on using again. However, I would like to be reasured that I shouldn't "dabble" with oxycotin or any other substance. You see, this is the first time that I have ever offically quit using drugs. So of corse I am going to have questions but thank you mike and j.b. for your screwed up support! Why is it that a person can not be honest with a bunch of people who have been through the same thing? I am just saying, isn't it important for me to convey ALL of my feelings if I plan on making this work? I have considered going back on Oxycotin scince day one. I have not done that and I feel like **** for using percocet last night. Should I then consider this as day one? I really do appreciate ALL OF THE HELP AND SUPPORT and would LOVE to hear from anyone who is not in the mood to beat me down. I really do believe that the reason I have stayed clean this long is in part due to the support that I have recieved here, so thank you all so very, very much! Chad

[Mike P. to Ken]

Good words JB - truly. I forgot to mention Chad - Percocet HAS OXYCODONE IN IT. THE SAME INGREDIENT THAT IS IN OXYCONTIN. Know what you're taking man. Your "recovery" from Oxy is over. Tomorrow is day ONE again. Sounds to me like you're going to fill the other RX today too. That's cool. Don't feel guilty per se. Just take care of yourself. You'll get there. But one SURE way of NOT getting there is by rationalizing your use in the way that you are - "Everyone is different" "I can handle one or two a week". No you can't. You couldn't before could you? You're just rationalizing using again. We've all done it. It's all part of it. Just DON'T F'N DRIVE WHEN YOU'RE HIGH MAN! Don't kill a loved one of mine because you're "having fun". Stay at home, walk, ride a bike - whatever. But please don't drive. If you start using again, you will get withdrawal symptoms again, you will "recover" again, and you will question whether you can go back to using with immunity and impunity. None of us have made it there yet in many thousands of years of addiction - but hey - we all keep trying to it seems. Take care of yourself, and remember that other people are living around you, trying to make it through their day too - let them have the same opportunity. Thanks - Mike P.

[Mike P. to Ken]

I wasn't trying to come down on you. Sorry if it came across that way. You are at a crossroad. That's all. Which way do you go?

[Al to Michael]

Throw the script in the trash, better yet burn it . It will be one of the hardest things you ever do, but you will be proud of yourself for doing it. By the ay how do you feel now after 13 days of abstainance? How is your energy level? Does life seem enjoyable yet. I am still trying to stop, and it is very easy for me to tell you to burn the script, yet keep on using myself. I wish I had 13 days clean. I want to be able to enjoy life. I just started my own drywall business, and I know that when I quit oxy that I wont have all the vigor I now have, but I feel confidant that after I am clean for a few weeks, and rest up that I will enjoy my business, and get back to wanting to be around loved ones. Right now I am obsessed with work and money. Burn that script though. I want to keep hearing from you on these posts 20, 25, 30, das and so on. If you feel good then I will have more optimism. I started following your posts from the begining and was pulling for you everyday.

[tom to Chad]

Welcome back, Chad -- long time no talk to! Did you ever really think you weren’t going to fill that oxy script? To answer your question, I don’t believe you will ever be able to dabble with oxy’s. You never really did, did you? You loved them from the start and went for it. No shame in that – they’re great. Who wouldn’t? You might find another drug that you can use recreationally, but it’s very if-y. If nothing else, you must get honest with yourself about your love for drugs. Hey, I love them, too. But to say that you took the percs just to see what they’d do, as if you were running a research project as a public service – common! You’re quite the comedian … You can never hope to quit or control your use or whatever it is you want to do until you get honest about why you do what you do. If I had them, I’d use them and there would be no doubt in my mind why. If you’re going to get high, then get high. But don’t talk about “dabbling’ and “seeing what they’ll do.” Like you don’t know what they’ll do … I’m laughing as I type this. You know why you do it. It’s the same reason I do it. Enjoy your weekend. Just be honest about it!

[barbara to pain and lortab]

You were already past the acute withdrawal so you did not get the shakes. If you try controlled drug taking it is like my controlled drinking, it simply doesn't work.

You may get away with it for a few weeks, but the urge to get high will get stronger as you go and you will do it more often until full relapse is achieved.

If you don't want to go through the shakes again I sugggest stopping forever! The longer time you put between yourself and the last high the less the craving will be.

[Angie to Ken]

I'm not going to bust your stones but you have to understand everybody HAS been where you are now. That is what I call the sneaky part of this disease. The addict in our mind starts to say "hey I've been 13 days without anything maybe I can take them successfully" or "I've never gotten into real trouble taking these so I can't be that bad". I don't want to say I told you so about your script but....If you really think about it how could you possibly let them go to waste by getting rid of the script. I know for a fact if I had a script it would be filled and consumed and it's been 5 months. Part of getting clean is to take the necessary steps to close the connections to obtaining. Tell you Dr. the truth so he won't give you anymore scripts. That was one of the all time hardest things I ever had to do, but I did it in the beginning when I felt strong, cause I knew the weakness lay ahead. This is where you need outside help and a sponser who will make you call them daily to discuss these kind of things. It's such a process and you are only starting. I do know one fact that I have heard over and over again..Everytime you attempt to stop using it gets harder to do. You lose some of your drive and willpower. I thank you for your honesty you could have taken those meds and never came back here. But you must believe what everyone is telling you..They know from experience. Otherwise you will learn the hard way.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Once again you guys come through! Ok, so it's friday night and I would love to do something (drugs) yet we resist. Ok, I had a couple of corona's but I guess that's ok. Tom it is so awesome to know that you are still out there as I know that you (and hopefully, many others) have been folowing my post's so closely. I just had a lenthy disscussion with my girlfriend in reguards to dope. Dope is what I basicly call every drug out there. I said to her, "I wonder whats going to happen three months from now whaen we are clean". We pondered if we would have the desire to use so long after we stopped. We came to the conclusion that this is going to be a life long battle. I would however, like to point out that drugs are thrown in our faces every day. Coke, meth, shrooms and every pill out there is available to us. So, I feel that every time we shoot something down we obtain strength. I can not currently change our location, but I can have the strenth to resist. The precriptions are a very touchy subject. Like I said, they are due to be filled any day now and I know the temptation they will bring. Hey Al, I would love to burn them but I must admit it is very tough. Everyone must realize that I can obtain the oxy's at any time, so will having 100 of them in front of me affect us? I think I know the awnser. Like I have stated before, I seem to have less of a desire to use when the **** is around. I do fear the night I get drunk and my tolerance and desire to stay clean is affected. In reguards to having thirteen days cleen. If you do not count the perks we dabbeled with last night (yes Tom, dabbeled, I am afraid of the word used, so bear with me) I feel great! I go through periods of "what the hell do we do now" to utter relaxation. Today I applied to a computer school that will hopefully consume some of this spare time. Sitting around (workmans comp) is the hardist thing to do. The temtation is always there. If I was laying sheet rock, I'd be fine. Who am I kidding. Do you realize how quick you could do a house high. OK, that was a bad joke but I have to keep it light. I understand more now that I am straight. I use to get very confused on the Oxy's. I often wonder if you guys get tangeled up in your thoughts on them. To make a never ending story short....I feel better each day I do not use. I will not lie though...The temtation is so very strong. I think that is what keeps us going. You know what, I did feel the cold sweats today. If only just a little bit, it was enough to remind us of how powerful these things hold on to you. We were going to go out tonight but I think instead we will just keep checking this board out for support...I look forward to hearing from you all! Thank you Barbara, angie and especially tom for all of your support! Hey Al, don't you have some rock to hang? Just kidding buddy, you are really helping us! Mike, thanks man, I was a little pissed eairlier but your words sound like the devil sitting here on my shoulder so I have to blame someone. I know what you say is the truth! Thanks guys.....Chad

[tom to Chad]

Well, Chadster, how's the oxy flowing? You have now discovered the "best" part of relapse and one of the reasons recovering addicts are so tempted at your stage: When you're system is freshly cleansed of drugs, that first relapse-hit of oxycodone feels f-ing great. Am I right? It's like having your first orgasm over again. Unfortunately, that newness wears off pretty quickly and you return to your former tolerance level (and dependence) after one or two doses. I KNEW you weren't going to burn that triplicate script. To be honest the very thought of that script going up in flames made my eyes water. Triplicates are like a dispensation from the pope. It would be disrespectful to turn down an invitation to purchase a schedule II substance! That said, let me tell you, as you must know by now, that you've already undone the work you did in your detox. Completely. It's an old, familiar story. And now that you know how good that first hit feels after detoxing, you'll be that much more tempted next time. And you know there will be a next time. If addiction is anything, it's predictable.
Chad, in AA parlance, you clearly haven't hit bottom. That's what it takes to really turn the corner to sobriety. I didn't commit myself to drug treatment until I was broke, fired from my job, kicked out of my apartment with a jail sentence hanging over my head and a note in my hand from my wife telling me she had left me. I don't think you're even close to being where I was when I quit vicodin, valium and percs (oxy's by any other name definitely feel as sweet).
But let's get honest first, Chad. If you can't look your true self in the face then you can't even begin to quit. Are you sure you really wanted to quit? Or were you just feeling burned out by the whole getting-using grind? There's a huge difference between the two.

[Robert]

Chad,
Filling that script is like putting a mound of coke on your coffee table and telling yourself you will just do one line of coke before you go to work. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!

I am not saying I would tear up the script either...but as others have replied..you need to be honest with yourself...
many of us have "been there...done that"

So quit kidding yourself...if you fill the script..you will do them up..and not just one or two here and there..it might start that way for a week or so....but pretty soon you will have a bad day emotionally and seek the oxy to relieve your foul mood..

Drug addiction is a real ***** my friend... I mean no malice to you.
13 days clean is fantastic...but think where your mind would be if you had tossed the scripts and then detoxed...right now you would be feeling like you kicked oxy's ass and you didnt need them....but they are still there..and no one..I repeat no one..can escape the power they have over you...

The bottom line is that you can do this if you want..but be honest with yourself and seek some help as  fooling yourself wont get you clean.

[tom to Chad]

Chad, what kind of "computer school" did you apply to? I'm in the industry and might be able to steer you to something that will get you back to work sooner. What's your background concerning computers? If the answer is nothing, don't be ashamed to say so. We all start in computers in a state of total ignorance. Even Bill Gates, once upon a time, knew nothing about computers when he started. Be honest about your background so I can give you relevant advice.

[mo]

i just stumbled into this room and after reading all the writting about the things i love oxy perc lortab i thought about quiting them all. but what will i be in store for? What are the withdrawl stages and there feeling? is it better codturkey or to taper off little by little? drop me a line and tell me the truth

[tom to Mo]

If you have no idea what withdrawal from these narcotics feels like, I can only conclude that you're not hooked yet. If you were addicted to any of these drugs, you'd have experienced withdrawal at some point already. If you don't want to find out, stop using them now.

Why and how do you use these drugs? How long, how much? What else do or have you used and for how long? I can't even begin to answer your questions until you answer mine.

[Dee]

chad,I understand as I'm sure everyone else does also, espiecally the ones still using, how much you really do want to quit using,I have been reading your posts,I'm sorry to tell you that you are not there yet..If you were, those scripts would be ripped up and out of your house,I'm not downing you, I'm just stating a fact, I have been there,(am still there) I know what it feels like to wait for that date to come so you can fill them,we used to say 7 days, 6 days, and so on, then it would get to hubby saying, we can get through it's only 24hrs now, then BAM! it was time,he would be there before the pharmacy opened, stop and get two cups of coffee at DD and rush home where I would be waiting, I'd have the pill crushers waiting (we each have our own)and a glass of water,then the roller coaster ride started all over again,we swallow our crushed pills wait for it to take affect and then talk, talk, talk, about how we have to stop this!!! Is this insane or what? I'm sorry to say that by you holding on to your script just shows that you are not ready to let go of it,I don't blame you, I can't blame you, it's us through and through,I would like to know one thing, we have been on high doses of oxy's for a long time and one thing you said amazed me, you said you and your girlfriend did 2 perks the other night and you were flying, how can that be? we have vicodan and perks and when we screw up on the oxy and have to take the perks, we can take 7 at a time and the only thing it does is help with the runs...gross, yes, but fact, no more buzz on the vicodan or the perks, so how do you think you were able to get buzzed off 2 perks? if it's a case of you not having your tolerance that high,then believe me, trust me,sooner or later it will come to a point that no amount of perks will take the place of oxy...just something for you to think about,if your sincere about quitting, GET RID OF THE SCRIPT...if your wishy washy about it...I think everyone will still be here for you when the day comes that your serious...take care

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

That low dose of perks really didn't work, I think I felt it more in my mind.  Everyone is right about the scripts, but like I said it's hard to throw away $800 if you know what I mean. I must admit, some of the posts I read hear make my mouth water, everything from the pile of coke to the story of the Dunkin donout trip and the pill grinder. Geeesh, do you guys have to be so clear! Ok, even though I get the urges after I read some of these posts, I really find them helpful. Since I am on an honesty role I guess I should say what I plan to do with the scripts (just afraid of who's watching). Please don't get mad at me if you know what I'm talking about. Personally, I am sick of them, OK, saying that makes me feel better, but I am serious about this. And I think that I have demonstrated at least some control. My main problem is wanting to be happy with my girlfriend (3 years). It's hard because you have to remember you are dealing with two addictions not one. So when her mood is up, mine is down and vice-versa. In the end, I think it helps because I don't know how many times one of us has wanted to use and then the other talked that person down. On the other hand, every once in awhile, the stars line up right (or wrong depending on how you take it) and we both want to indulge. That is why I take what you guys say so seriously about the scripts. Time will tell....Ok I gotta go, time for Barnes & Nobel, STRAIGHT..Ohhh Mannn this is gonna be fun! Tom I'll let you know later about that question. Good luck to everyone....chad

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I'm sorry that I may have offended you. But today is a good day for you because:

  You are not dead
  You are not in the hospital
  You are not in prison
  You still have a good mind
  You still have the freedom of choice

Anything else is just the icing on the cake, so to speak.
Watch what you say and watch what you do because you sound like someone who needs help but is trying to rationalize another relapse. I've been there. We all have! Be grateful that you have us to lean on. Nobody gets through this life alone.

Have a good weekend!

[tom to all "oxy-ites"]

ok, I,m feeling really left out on this oxy thing. I've done lots of percs (5 mg oxycodone), and they were pretty good. But the way you talk about the oxycontin ...! If you crush them, doesn't that just mean you're getting, say, 20 mg oxycodone, the equivalent to taking four percs (been there, done that)? There must still be a time-release effect that makes them feel different from standard old percodan or 'cets. I know that the cough syrup, Tussionex, which is time-release hydrocodone (vic), is hands-down the best vicodin delivery system. What's the story with these oxy's? I don't have any street connections and I don't qualify to get them in a legitimate medical setting, but I'm curious anyway.

[Rather not say]

Chad, do yourself the favor of a lifetime and stay off the stuff!
My boyfriend of several years is a wonderful, kind  and loving man however, he is addicted to oxycontin.  He started on vicodan several years ago and stopped taking them only to substitute them with the oxys.  He sometimes takes as much as 600mg. per day!  I am not a user, never have been.  I have seen some pretty intense withdrawals after only 1 day without oxys and I think he was only in the early stages (of withdrawal) until his next script fill! He cannot seem to stop taking them and his tolerance is rapidly building requiring him to take more!!!!  Stay clean.  Have a life!

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

I plan to stay clean. I was on my way to the book store when my car broke down. I was very pissed and thought how much an Oxy would calm me down. Well, I fixed the car yet my urge to "celebrate" is very strong. I even got a check in the mail. I refuse to give in but in the meantime I seem to be getting angry at the slightest thing. I am pissed off at the world right now for everything that I have done to myself. Yet I know that this feeling will pass and when it does I will be very glad that I didn't take anything. It's just that life right now seems so Damm boring without drugs. Do any of you get bored even if your doing something? Can anyone suggest a relaxation technich that might help me get through these ruff periods? So far I have found a couple of Corona's do the trick but I have this thing about drinking before nightfall. Chad

[Ken , day two]

WOW! I mean WOW! I missed alot of ****.I guess I've been to busy relapsing myself.I know it must be really hard Chad, cause I know what I'd have done. I give you alot of credit.And Al, if your out there I am also an owner of a drywall company and it would be impossible for me to hang or tape all day without using.And the money is so damn good its hard to stop long enough to get clean .I am taking my kids out for awhile then I'll check back tonight.So see yall around 11 o clock.

[Gary to Chad]

I come from a fitness back round and played many contact sports.  It finally took a toll and I injured my lower back.  Went to my PCP and he wrote me a script for 120 oxycontin 20mg 2 times daily.  I was in a lot of pain and really needed the meds.  It has been almost two years now. I decided I did not want to live on pain meds and quit cold turkey.  What a joke, and needless to say in did not work.  I look back now and wonder how did I let a drug get such a strong hold on me.  The only pills I ever took were dietary supplements.  Let me tell you it's been hell.  I would not wish this on anyone.  I will be seeing a Doctor this week to get me off this poision.  So why the hell do you want to dabble just for a buzz!  Think what you are doing and burn that script up.  By the way, this **** almost cost me my marriage.

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I don't have any experience with Oxycontin but I am recovering from addiction to MS Contin and MSIR. These are morphine based pain meds. I got to the point of melting them down and injecting them IV(very dangerous). I think what you are experiencing now is simply depression. This depression can cause you all kinds of problems, so I would see a doctor ASAP. I chose to use alcohol for months and also used speed to keep myself going. I wouldn't recommend this route to anyone as it just causes even more problems.
I just got out of the hospital last Friday after spending five days hooked up to an IV machine. After all the tests were done and all the doctors had examined me, I was told that I have severe liver damage, enlarged spleen, anemia, kidney disease, and several blood disorders. I'm just 48 years old and they give me 18 months. That's depressing, isn't it? It's not the dying part that bothers me, it's the living part that worries me.

Thanks for listening!

[Dee]

Chad,I understand completely what your doing with your scripts, but do you honestly think that you will be able to unload them without doing any? once their in your hands and your looking at them your going to say 'just this once'and it defiently won't be just a couple,unless you have it set up and done in one transaction your a gonna,you will never be able to keep them in the house and get rid of them little by little, not only that, the most important thing to think about, and believe me I have thought about it,I could be living very very well off if I could follow through with the plan, but,I could never live with myself knowing that I had any part of some young kid or even a not so young person with a family getting addicted to oxy's..to help someone fall into this nightmare would kill me...I just couldn't live with myself...oh yeah, most of my problems would be gone concerning money, I could pay all my bills, get a nice car, go away once in awhile, live pretty good,WRONG, at least for me, I couldn't live with the guilt of having anything to do with bringing someone down, that's just me, think about it, I have kids ranging from 13 to 25 and I would kill anyone who helped get them addicted to oxy's....take care

[jf to chad]

Sounds as if you were doing great/ just remember once you relapse and get back into the routine, you have to start all over on withdrawl, usually the 3rd or 4th day of daily usage will get u hooked again.  I have been reading all about your last 2 weeks wishig i was there.  For 2 1/2 yrs i have been on pain meds.  starting with percs and hydrocodone then to 10 mg oxy's then 20s then 40s then 80's now iam on the patch, "duragesic/fentanyl transsermal system", like u i started at the little level . 2 weeks ago i was doing 6 to 8 80s a day , couldent get out of bed til i peeled 2 then crushed them fine with a  $3.00 pill crusher, then snorted them and ate another, 2 cups of coffee/ lol/ and in 40 or 50 min up and about with snorting 1  or 2 more befiore dark and 1 -2 near 10p-11pm//  LISTEN TO ME AND LISTEN TO ME GOOD
YOU ARE IN A GREAT POSITION TO STOP/ DO IT/ DO IT NOW !!!!!!!
IT WILL NEVER BE EASIER THEN NOW/IT WILL NEVER BE EASIER THEN TODAY CHAD/TELL YOURSELF YOU ARE DONE AND STICK TO IT.  
I am a 52 yr old male that, due to a back cond, got started and liked the feeling the meds gave me/ Christ who wouldn't?
You just need to realize there r people out there that are so far down the rd on addiction,like me, that i envy you.  Christ just 2 percs/ blow them off and get a life without drugs/ your at the easiest time to stop, so do it.
I am rambling now /if anyone needs to talk  feel free to help these 2/ wish i was where u 2 r so do it today fix ur mind on it and do it/ u can always send ur meds to me if u feel tempted as i need them more then u
til later take care and good luck
***@****

[jf to chad]

correction/  duragesic  transdermal system

DO IT TODAY Quit YOU can Do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Max to Chad]

Chad...you have monopolized this site for weeks now.Don't get mad when people tell you what you don't want to hear. You know the answers.The fact that you are still talking about the scripts bugs me.You know what happens or you would not have come to this site.These people will support you but quit looking for absolution.You have mentioned the monetary value of those scripts over and over.What is more important, your well being or the cash.Dabble ! Come on get a grip.Do you know how many people are going through this and how pathetic you are starting to sound.I had sympathy the first week for you,but I'm hurting too and you are really getting on my nerves.Quit or don't.What more do you want these peope to say.I'm not saying you don't have a serious problem, but people out there have some much worse.Take a look around pal.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Max, If you do not enjoy reading my posts then don't. You know, anyone can post a question. If I bug you then great! At least I am getting a responce. Let me ask you a question max, does it bother you that I am being helped? Every reply I recieve makes me stronger. Do you think that all of the people who have been replying to me have been wasting their time? Why don't you tell them that....

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Sunday Morning, standing strong. I guess I don't have any more questions. Should I continue to write? Hey Tom, High School grad, machinist, job with goverment contractor, No computer exp. but I am considering A+ to start with.   Chad, hey guys let me know if I should keep you posted.......

[tom to J.B.]

J.B., so sorry to hear your diagnosis. What caused all this? I've never heard of just narcotic use causing such liver damage. You mentioned speed and booze. I know both are very destructive to the liver. What did they say was the cause? Again, I'm bummed to hear such news. But then, they don't know everything. My 9-year old nephew with cancer was given 3-6 months to live about 3 years ago. He's not cured, but he's actually feeling somewhat better now. I've also been told that the liver has the capacity to heal itself. And there's always transplants for livers and kidneys. Medicine advances all the time. Don't give up quite yet. Take care and keep in touch.

[tom to Chad]

keep right on posting, Chad! We all struggle with our addiction the best we can. It's ok for you to post the things you do, and it's ok for Max to say the things he does. Communication is what's important. Keep it up ...
As for the computer stuff, take a look at the want ads. A lot of them are looking for certified system administrators for NT and UNIX environments. Between the two, you can come up to speed faster as an NT admin. Microsoft runs courses (they cost) that give you a formal certification for NT. The courses are given off-campus, usually by independant training companies. You can find them by calling around to the local offices of Microsoft. They'll refer you to places giving the certification courses. It's intensive all-day training and it costs somewhere between $1000 and $2000. But it will give you what you need to get a foot in the door at big corporations with big networks that need admins, installers and support people. If you can borrow the money to take the course (about 1 to 2 weeks in duration), it could change your whole outlook on your future. And, take it from me, it's lots easier to stay off addictive drugs if you have something fulfilling in your life like a good career with a future. Check it out.

[Robert to Max re: Chad]

Max,

This forum is here to help everyone. This is no such thing as monopolizing a forum. Telling Chad to quit monopolizing this site is like telling someone he isnt allowed to be in a site on the net.
Chad replied to you with an excellent answer. No one is forcing you to read this thread. It is your choice to click on the subject matter and read it.

At least Chad is thankful for all the responses he is getting.

Chad  seems to recognize that he isn't fooling himself with most of the things he has written in here. My description of a mound of coke sitting on top of a coffee table had him drooling..lol

The point being is so many of us are like Chad or have been like him.

Chad if you are reading this, I have another site for you to check out. It has a lot more participation. They have a ton of different forums in there. You can switch from Addiction, Chronic Pain, Spinal Disorders etc. The people are great for the most part.

Just highlight this site and paste it in your browser

http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=2&SUBMIT=Go

Anyway back to Max...

Everyone should be welcome in these forums to sound off, be repetitious, cry, laugh, etc..

Peace,

Robert

[lori]

Chad-get rid of the scripts - Flush em.  Stop whining and face the fact that you are an ADDICT and CANNOT take meds without abusing them.  Watch out for the Coronas too.  You are not boring so continue to use your imagination to make your life revolve around other things besides pills and booze.  You are responsible for your choices no one else - same goes for your girl.  Take a drive over to the closest hospital with sick kids in the pedi ward - maybe you can do some volunteer work.  Those sick children have a problem and no choice.  You have a problem but luckily a chance to get rid of it.  You have the power - just use it.  Good luck.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Day 17...Thanks lori, Do you guys believe that I actually had a dream about oxycotin last night. Is that messed up or what? Anyway, I feel much better in the sence that I get up at 9am and feel fresh but I still don't have much to do during the day. Maybe, when I start school things will pick up. Right now, I have never been so bored in my entire life. The funny thing now is that I have been doing this for a year and a half and JUST realized how dull staying at home can be. I'll tell you what, it's amazing how much time drugs eat up. From getting them to using to crashing. I believe that NO ONE can acheive their fullist potential on dope. OK, maybe if your a creative person, like a rock star or something. Eventually everyone crashes. Don't worry about the Corona's, I have this thing about gaining too much weight so I would stop drinking long before it became a problem. Besides, I only drink a couple of nights  during the week and when I do it's about five beers. I couldn't possibly quit everything! Do you guys realize that I would smoke about a pack and a half a day on Oxy's. I would say since I have quit using opy's I smoke maybe two or three cigarettes a day. OK, got to go find something to do today, maybe I'll hang outside CVS and see if I can pick out the people on Perk's. They are a crafty bunch of people aren't they?      Chad

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I just spent another night in spells of nausea and vomiting and am exhausted but I will try to answer your questions.
I am a vet who got a blood transfusion back in 1970. Later I got hepatitis B which caused some liver damage. I also had an addiction to the morphine that I was on for injuries sustained as a result of a mortar shell. I was sent to Germany later and started using morphine that was readily available off any street corner(literally). I shared needles with a girlfriend often. This was long before HIV and HCV was discovered. I was sent stateside in 1973 and was treated for my addiction and released from the Army. I never touched any drug until 1994 when I was diagnosed with colon cancer. Due to the radiation treatments a hole was burnt through my colon and I was prescribed MS Contin and MSIR and Lortab. I never told my oncologist or radiologist that I was once an addict because the pain was so bad- I just didn't care. After several months I was weened off of these meds but I wanted more. Again I went Black Market and to get a better rush started to melt them down and inject them. Sixty days later I was just about dead. I was also diagnosed with Hep C(advanced stage). Thats when depression got the better of me and I started the drinking and speed. I'm falling asleep so I better go now.
I also have diabetes in addition to all the afore mentioned maladies.

Take care of your health, Life's a ***** when you don't have it!

[Max to Lori]

Maybe you stated it more eloquently than I did,but you said to Chad exactly what i felt.Especially the part about the childrens hospital.I know what he is talking about,I'm going through it. My point was if he really wanted to recover those scripts would be long gone.He's talking about selling them on the street. That's real bright,add possible legal problems to the mix.Do Dr.s cometo this site any more or is it strictly a support group site.I'm not saying that facetiously,I've haven't been able to get a question posted to a Dr. in a long time.Chad...whatever.

[To Max from B.M.]

Max sounds like you are having a rough go of it. What's the problem? Empty and a week til script day? Well I have to say Chad may thought you were a little harsh but I agree with you. He's claiming how bored he is,well turn off the computer and quit talking about it and go do someting.Don't say it reminds you of doing it on oxy's because everything you did was on oxy.Get out of the house.I've been to this site for support but you are here so much you don't give it a chance to get it out of your head. Read Lori's post again.

[Leigh]

Unfortunately, I can relate all too well too each and every post describing the fear of "life after narcotics." I spent two years taking 3 Vics a day (a minor addiction, relatively speaking) and I couldn't imagine my life without. They say when you're attempting to recover from an addiction, remove all the triggers or cues that were linked to your drug habit. Well, this is where the unique element of presciption drug abuse comes into play: how can we possibly remove all those triggers? I took Vics at home, at work, before parties, concerts...Sure, I could remove the parties and concerts to avoid temptation. But I can't quit my job, and I can't avoid my home. It's so overwhelming.

So after checking out this site, posting, and receiving wonderful support and advice...I finally chose to face the music. I quit the vics. I tried to taper, but as long as I had a vic sitting in my purse, I would somehow justify taking it. I think it is utterly impossible for you to keep that script, Chad. You will eventually cash it in and get high, if you haven't already done so. And providing that you don't O.D. or hurt someone else, this might be okay. Because it's true--you need to either hit bottom, or recognize the difference between wanting to quit and being frustrated with your addiction. I spent a year whining and complaining about my addiction--I hated counting pills, getting scripts, etc. But honestly, I was just frustrated with the minor challenges that accompany drug addiction and obtaining a high. I don't know what made me cross over the line to wanting to quit, but thank goodness, I reached that point a few weeks ago. I just couldn't take the lying and the worrying anymore. I also realized that my life had become a rollercoaster ride--I was moody, and my memory was becomming clouded with that narcotic haze. I lost all interest in everything in life...I was perfectly content to just sit on my couch and enjoy my vic buzz. I used to be very social--always out with friends, concerts, etc. But like you and your girlfriend, I was happier taking a vic and wandering around the supermarket for an hour or two. And I guess I woke up one day, and I realized how pathetic that was. Coupled with the fear of getting caught by a doc or pharmacist, I decided to quit.
Now again, I repeat: I played this game before. I used to say that I'll taper--or this script will be the last, I can take one pill every few days, etc. But nothing works until you're serious. And being serious means being honest. Brutally honest. For example, Chad, you might need to try a meeting. I am a very non-AA person. My mother is a recovering alcoholic, and she joined AA like one would join a cult. She cut herself off to the rest of the family in the name of sobriety. So I have a lot of resentment and doubt about 12-step programs. I also have a lot of confusion about the whole "higher power" thing. But when I reached that point of wanting to quit the vics, I forced myself to go to a meeting. It wasn't easy--check my previous posts on NA. But it was necessary, Chad. And you can make these meetings whatever you want. I agree wholeheartedy with Tom...I'm also bargaining on my meetings. I don't abstain from drinking, and I'm not against popping an occassional Klonipin for anxiety. So in a sense, I'm violating the hard-core rules of AA and NA. But AA also tells you to take what you need....and that's exactly what I do. I won't ever be a militant 12-stepper, but I do appreciate the common bond of addiction that I share with folks at a meeting. So I attend NA or AA every once in awhile, and at least that one hour in a meeting keeps me from using at that exact moment. Because in recovery, you can only worry about the moment. It's too overwhelming to try to figure out the rest.

Another thing, Chad...you might need to maintain a recovery plan separate from your girlfriend. Recovery is a very personal thing. It took me years to be honest with myself, and I can tell you stories about all my failed attempts at quitting. Reaching the point where you TRULY want to quit is different for everyone. You might be hitting your own personal "bottom"--but how about your girlfriend? She needs to bottom out, too, and that can't be done vicariously. I'm not suggesting that you break up, but perhaps you should consider "owning" your own recovery. Use her for support, but also maintain a recovery plan that is done for you and only you. Recovery means being selfish. Take the time you need and do the things you need, and if someone doesn't like it--tough ****.

And I've got to say...life does get better. I really couldn't imagine life without vics. And I still have Euphoric Recall, just like Angie. As a matter of fact, reading your post about the tempting script--I felt like posting and asking you to just send the damn thing to my home. But I also have some bad memories, and I try to use those to my advantage. This is pretty tricky, though--I have to remember the bad, but without beating myself up. Use the guilt and regret to your advantage, don't allow it to slow you down. Guilt and anger can be useful tools, but they can also be quite destructive. So I try to remember the horror of my addiction. For example, a week after I quit the vics, I started taking an interest in things again. I thought I would be utterly depressed and lethargic...but amazingly, I was the opposite. I didn't realize how much I gave up in my life (friends, hobbies, etc)until I didn't get high, and then I saw it all sitting there--waiting for me. There was life before vics, but when I did the vics I couldn't remember it.

Now I have to be honest...I did a few other things to help myself, too. I went to a psychiatrist, and I started taking anti-depressents. My addiction was a result of my emotional pain. I needed vics to numb my mind. So getting the right medication was very helpful. Also, talking to my psychiatrist helps, because I can be truly honest and learn how to deal with anxiety and emotional pain without running to the pharmacy. And yes--I used to stand at the counter with a bottle of water in my hand, too. Another thing I did while withdrawing was a "detox plan." I know some of you won't agree with this--but I got some Klonipin and non-addictive, non-controlled substance muscle relaxers to ease the leg spasms, anxiety, etc. That helped a lot. But again, that required seeking medical help and being honest with a professional about my addiction. And it also meant being really serious--really bottoming out, and really wanting to be sober from vics.

I still have issues, Chad. I'm not perfect. I went to a concert last night, and I spent half the evening trying to think of something I could take to "have fun." I am a very substance-oriented person (ie, a true addict), and I have trouble imagining fun without a high. So now I'm taking Metabolife (ephedrine) for energy. It's terrible--I have to take something to feel like I'm having fun. But at least I'm minimizing the drug...And to be honest, even though I have trouble imagining life without a high, once I actually get my ass off my couch--I do have fun. If I get my obssessive mind off the vics and onto another subject, I can actually enjoy life again.

So yes, I'm starting to feel like I can have fun again. I do agree that you should find something to keep you busy. I have to fill all my time, or I will dwell on my desire to get high. I have my job, my hobbies, exercise--and now I'm going back to school for my Ph.D in the hopes of keeping busy. I can't sit still, or I will relapse. And that's another thing...recovery requires constant maintenance. If I trick myself into thinking "I'm recovered" then I will fall into another hole--maybe not vics, but definately some sort of substance abuse. I guess that's why they call it recovery. It's like a piece of art that's constantly in the works. But hell, the more you work on it, the more it improves. Ya know?

Hang in there. And keep us posted (no pun intended). It helps to read all the stories--Tom and Angie, etc. It's so good to know we're not alone, and we're not monsters.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Sharon thank you so much for taking the time to awnser alot of my questions. Everything you said makes so much sence. I am glad to know that their are people out there who are going through the same stuff. I'll tell you what. If it wasn't for people like yourself and Tom I don't think I would be this far along. I am serious about quiting. I think it bothers alot of people that I am able to have scripts and not use them. I mean, I do have about 30 oxy 40's that have been sitting here this entire time. Like I said before, I feel less of a desire to use when they are around. Why does that bother everyone so bad? Who knows... Anyway, I do believe that my life has improved. My energy level has increased dramactly. I do something every day to keep myself busy. Like I said I start school soon so I know that will ocupy alot of time.

In reguards to my girlfriend, we have been doing the same thing together for the last three years so we are in the same boat. I understand what you are saying about recovery being personal. We are making each other strong. I have to keep getting back to the pills and scripts I have around. I know you guys mayy think that I am not serious by keeping them. I do plan to trash em, probably tonight. My idea of selling them is not going to work. I realize that now. It's just kind of hard to throw all of that money away but I know that by selling them I will have to face a bunch of people who are wired off their asses. I don't think I am able to handel that. The reason is that some of the people are very succesful and it "seems" like their life is perfect. So I look at them and wonder, how can this **** not bother them. Then I start to wonder if I could be like them. I know that I can't. There is no dabbeling for us despite what I said eairlier. I know now that we will never be able to do them once in awhile. It took a few days for us to realize that. Anyway, I think that I should stop posting here because I seem to be pissing some people off. You know what? I won't because for one, You guys are really helping me and two, I hope others will be able to read this and maybe relate. I look forward to hearing from you guys again...Till then, Chad
Can't I just put the scripts on EBAY......ha, ha, haaaaa

[Michael]

Chad,
unfortunatley, its like quitting anything addictive. You your girlfriend, and I ( nicotine, vicodin) have put ourselves in a postion where it is either black or white with or without the drug. Like you mentioned befor about being off the drug, and wanting to do so many things at once Ive come to realize on my own that, that was essentially what i was medicating. Its just a natural instinct for humans to be creative and productive, provided we have the mental stamina to focus such energy. I realized just a little while ago, that it was my immaturity to deal with this wonderful side of me that caused be to pop 8 vicodins a day for 3 years.Now its come to apoin wehere my pain is back, I suffer from chronic ear infections, and I actually need the drug!!! just to concentratee and give time for the antibiotics to clear the infection causing the pain. Im scared shitless. I dont need another downward spiral of spending weeks on end making love to my couch. But i know where the drug belongs now, I know I only need 3 for the pain thill the infection clears. And I'll be ok... In fact i'll be fine. I'll enjoy the hell out of those 3 but that will be in because I am in pain. Anyway its just a long winded way of me telling its ok to have the prks in the house, take them as directed if you slip it no big deal you'll reach a stalemate with them soon enough.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Thanks man, let me ask you a question. I did Vicoden es for like five months after surgery. I only remember them giving me a headache. I think one time I really got off on them. Do using them give you a euphoric feeling? Did you ever use percocet because it seems there is alot of people hooked on vics. Do they really help you with the pain cause I remember them being like asprin. Chad

[Ken , day two]

Chad , they are all about the same thing. They are Hydrocodone. Some are stronger than others. But vicodin, lortab, percodan,percocet,loracet and vicopren are all pretty close as far as I know. I may be wrong but I dont think so.They are all opiates. And oxy is a morphine base pain killer. I have had them all and they all have gotten me high. So I hope this answers your question.So how you doin? We spoke before, and I've been keeping up with your posts. You are doin alot better than I have, so dont let any of those people out there tell you any different. Its hard and I give you alot of credit. By the way hows your wife doin? It must be nice to have someone to go through it with.You can help each other. Good luck buddy, KEN

[Al to Michael]

I got alot out of your post. It is good to know that the life we oce had is still there, just forgotten. I hope that is the way it is in my case. I have forgotten that I used to care about other people. I am only concerned about myself now, and how I feel. I can't stand that. I know I am selfish so I avoid being around anyone, so I can keep my selfishness to myself, if that makes sense. I don't want people seeing me being selfish, and I'm sure it's obvious. I don't think I used to be that way, but like I said I have forgotten these past several months. I really can't wait to get my life back, but am still putting it off because of the addiction being so strong. I'll check back later. Take care

[Angie to Ken]

I take Pain meds for chronic pain. I have been on everything from darvocet to vicodin to percocet. My dr. recently put me on Duragesic transdermal system 50 mcgs/hr. My question.. While this relieves the pain, I don't get the buzz effect and although I'm not complaining what is the duragesic comparable to in pill form and how many at this 50mcgd/hr dosage. Also after 72 hrs your are supposed to change to a new one but flush the old one as it is toxic to children and animals. Does the medicine completely stop releasing after 72hrs or could I leave it on an extra day. Everyone here is so knowlegeable. Thanks for you help. I wasn't able to post this ques. due to forum being filled.

[Angie to Ken]

I forgot one question. You are not suppose to have any heat source near the patch as it may release more medication ie hot showers, heating pad etc. Does this make the medicine run out sooner than 72hr?

[jf to chad]

I have been on it 1 week and am going tomorrow to Docs./ dont get the buzz at all and having one difficult time keeping them on.
I know just about as much as u/ i prefer the  oxy's/ will see if he will let me go back tomorrow/
as far as your question i do understand that there is residual med left in the patch that could be harmful to anyone that doesn't have a tolerance established toward opioids.  i have been on them 2 + yrs and was taking 480 +mg of oxycotin a day.
good luck and hang in there.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

You still alive? Just kidding! How have you been doing with everything? Yeah, the girlfriend helps but remember, there is two if us going through this so there is twice the temtation. OK, gotta go, talk soon.chad

[jf to chad]

forgot your other questions/ yest heat is suppose to release the med quicker and i was on 6 80mg oxy's aday and it was sugested by the dr. that 50-75 mcgs per hr would be close to what i was takeing but remember everyone has a bit different metabolismn.  So the dosages were diferent //if u were on pers it seems as if ur doc moved u to something pretty strong/ fentanyl is supposed to be high up the ladder on the pain med chart.
Well good luck and take care!!!!

[Mariah to Tom]

just to help everyone out

Vicodin   *C111
opioid + analgesic.  
Hydrocodone bitartrate 5mg,
acetaminophen 500mg
scored tabs.

Vicoprofen  *C111
opioid + NSAID.
Hydrocodone bitartrate 7.5mg
ibuprofen 200mg
tabs.

Lorotab  *C111
opioid + analgesic.
Hydrocodone bitartrate 7.5mg
acetaminophen 500mg
tabs.

Lorcet  *C111
opioid + analgesic.
Hydrocodone bitartrate 10mg
acetaminophen 650mg
scored tabs.

Percodan  *C11
opioids + salicylate.
Oxycodone HCI 4.5mg
asprin 325mg
scored tabs

Percocet  *C11
opioid + analgesic.
Oxycodone HCI 5mg
acetaminophen 325mg
scored tabs

Oxycontin  *C11
opioid.
Oxycodone HCI 10mg,
20mg,
40mg,
80mg
controlled-rel tabs

*C11-high potential for abuse which may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.

*C111-may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.

[jf to chad]

do u know the comparables to fentanyl in the 25 50 75 100 mcgs per hr transdermal patches/ equals in the others u mentioned
thanks

[Angie to Ken]

Thanks for trying to help jf but I'm still confused. What is 50mcgs equal to in pill form? For example: Would one of my patches equal say 2 percs every hour? Does the medication completely stop releasing after 72 hr.? Are they less addictive since there is a steady release of meds? I read not to use the patch if it was accidentally cut. Does this mean the med does not release at all or maybe too much? Any and all info would be greatly appreciated!

[Ken , day two]

Gina , I hate to say it but it sounds as if your trying to find a way to get the most out of the patch that you can.And me being an addict I would too. So please use them as they are supposed to be used and you wont end up like me, trying to find a way to get off of this miserable ****.If I'm wrong Im sorry to have said anything. That is just the way it sounded to me.

[Philly to Chad]

Hey Chad, I have been following this discussion thread for the last few days.  I am a fellow Philadelphian.  The reason I am responding is to encourage you to follow your idea of training in the IT industry.  I am a mid-level manager of an IS department in a major company in Philadelphia.  I can tell you that it is a great career to get into if you are really interested.  The money is good and it is very exciting work.

I guess I am also writing to say that you can make it...you can be successful even after this problem.  I was in your place a few years ago.  I still struggle.  Anyway I finished my college degree from a reputable university and am now making a 6 digit income.  If I can do it anyone can do it.  

Although I didn't go there, I hear Temple University has a great (non-credit if you aren't interested in college) IT training problem with offices in Philly and Fort Washington and other places.  And they are relatively inexpensive.  They may even have need-based scholarships.  There are other great training programs in the area too.

Good luck

A friend in Philly

[Angie to Ken]

I'm sorry if I came across the wrong way. If I was an addict I wouldn't be asking if I could keep them on an extra day, I would be asking if I could put two on at a time. I am trying to figure out what they are comparable to in the form of pill brand/dosage. The reason I ask about the heat is I read about avoiding that only after I took a long hot shower. I mentioned that I do not get the buzz like I do off pills but that was OK with me since they took care of the pain. I am afraid of becoming addicted, have discussed this with my dr. who stated as long as I take them on a regular dosage my chances are slim. I'm wondering if that is true so who better to ask then people who have been there. Sorry again if I sounded shady but does anyone know these answers or is duragesic something that is not familiar on the street?

[tom to Gina]

from one addict to another, it's obvious you're trying to sqeeze a better high from the fentanyl patch (you said it controlled your pain ok). I don't blame you, but fentanyl is an incredibly potent narcotic. It's many, many, many times more powerful by weight than heroin. It's famous for killing heroin addicts using it as a designer-drug substitute for smack. If you're going to go after a high, surely the percs would be safer and probably do a better job. Don't fool with cutting open those patches. You could wake up dead. Not worth it, Gina!

[jf to chad]

hope u find out the answers but u did not come across as someone
seeking a way to get more out of the patch for a "high", ur
questions are valid and resonable so don't take offense!
I slit one patch and ate about a match head of the jelly like med.  I did not feel anything xtra so they may only be effective
when leached into ur bloodstream.  Kinda good to read this dialogue.  I went back to the oxy's yesterday, 2 80s 3 times a day.  Not bad and will get somewhat of a buzz.  Take care and let me know what u find out please!

[Angie to Ken]

Thank You for seeing those questions as they were intended. I wasn't going to respond anymore because the more I try to explain the more I must sound like an addict. I am not putting down anyone who is one as we all struggle with one thing or another in our lives. Having to take pain medication is certainly something I wouldn't wish on anyone. Having your health is the biggest high on earth. I was hoping to find out if the patch would be less addictive than taking pills, that is one reason I wanted the equivalent ratio. However it sounds like I'm on something much stronger. Maybe it's time to see a new dr. since he tended to brush off my questions. Good Luck jf!!

[Brian to Sick and Scared § ALL you guys]

I know the answers to your questions but for the sake of those who will use my response to abuse the medication I will not give them.  My advice is to simply take the medication as directed and to avoid either cutting the patch or heat/hot water.  The time release nature of the patch will not affect the potential for addiction.  The patch will not continue working after 72 hours.  Please contact your doctor if you have any further questions.

[Angie to Ken]

Thanks for your response. I now understand the hesitation to respond to my questions. I have read many of your posts and they are so helpful. I know you stated your a dr. and have been on "both sides." Do you mind if I ask what your story is? Your obviously a highly intelligent and compassionate individual. Hey, did you ever consider opening your own website? You would have quite a following. One more question: Does the duragesic leave your body more slowly than oral meds? I don't understand the "half life" description I've seen so many times.

[Brian to Sick and Scared § ALL you guys]

I'm glad you find my posts helpful.  Someone else here once said I should consider starting a website, and perhaps at some point I might consider doing so.  I have too many things going right now.  As for my story, I prefer not to get too detailed because my position requires that I remain anonymous.  I first started using pot when I was 12, used acid, coke, pills, etc. on and off for years.  Eventually got into narcotic painkillers and was addicted to them for several years, with numerous detoxes and relapses.  I am proud to say I have been totally clean for about 18 months (it would have been 2+ years but for one slip).  With respect to half-life, what this means is the amount of time it takes for plasma drug levels to decrese by 50% after discontinuation of a drug.  Fentanyl has an elimination half- life of just under 24 hours.  This is a much longer half-life than most other narcotics (methadone is longer which is one reason it is used for maintainence).  The transdermal patch method of releasing fentanyl is designed to release a constant level of the drug to treat patients who have constant pain.

[chris]

Hello.  I've been reading these postings for some time now.  Quick question for you all if you don't mind......I've been taking Vicoprofin/ Vicodon ES (10-14 pills p/day) for a few months now.  I'm not sure what the withdrawl signs are; but I'm feeling achey (achy), tired, unmotivated, loss of appetite, and my joints don't want to move when I'm not on them.  Are these signs of withdrawl?  Or have you experienced withdrawl??? I don't want to become addicted to this ****; but I'm thinking that I may already be....Pleae feel free to reply to me via email.  I would really like to hear from some people on this - thanks!
chris_cirone***@****

[Jade]

Oxy's ARE EVIL.
That is all I have to say

[Shiny]

Recently re-reading this thread you said you have about 20 or so oxycontin lying around the house.  Then you also have the script you are always talking about.  Then when someone question you because you relapsed and got some oxy you said you live next door to some people and can always get them.  My question is why did you make such a big deal about getting your oxy filled (you said you couldn't they were post-dated. So anyway you finally got them filled.  What happened to the 20 or so oxy you had laying around the house but didn't take?  After re-reading your post it just sounds so confusing.

[Steven]

wow
My doctor has me on percocet 10 mg (at least 4 a day)and oxycotin twice a day for pain.  I know that they are addictave, but have never had any problems with stopping them over a few day of weaning time.

Let me know how you are doing and why you chose these drugs.

concerned,
SS

[joe blow]

well let me tell you something i'm on percocet and i feel soooooooooo good its the best feeling that you will  ever have in life you cant stop talking but its the best i take them like 5 times a day life is filled with happiness i will never stop taking them life is so much easier i have also tried oxycontin and there is not much of a difference by taking two all you do is smile when your on them you know i get a whole lot of pills and thats what makes me happy yeah baby well i got to go take some more so keep the good work up bye see you good luck

[J]

chad,  just hand the script over to me. I will take the dam thing off your hands and burn it for ya.  it will be said and done with!  Keep clean and Live my man!
good luck!  stay clean live long and prosper

[John]

Hello everyone I am very shy about this mater because it has been a problem I hav delt with alone for so many years (10-15 I think). So I will Keep reading these posts and I hope that I could jump in some time and share my story with all of you. I know we all feel the same way.
                 SUCCESS TO ALL OF YOU

[John]

Hello everyone I am very shy about this mater because it has been a problem I hav delt with alone for so many years (10-15 I think). So I will Keep reading these posts and I hope that I could jump in some time and share my story with all of you. I know we all feel the same way.
                 SUCCESS TO ALL OF YOU

[John]

Hello everyone I am very shy about this mater because it has been a problem I hav delt with alone for so many years (10-15 I think). So I will Keep reading these posts and I hope that I could jump in some time and share my story with all of you. I know we all feel the same way.
                 SUCCESS TO ALL OF YOU

[John]

Hello everyone I am very shy about this mater because it has been a problem I hav delt with alone for so many years (10-15 I think). So I will Keep reading these posts and I hope that I could jump in some time and share my story with all of you. I know we all feel the same way.
                 SUCCESS TO ALL OF YOU

[John]

Hello

[BtC]

OC's are great!  I eat 'em all the time.  Eat 40 mg and
drink 4 beers, and you're just fine... weee!!!!!  Percs
aren't too bad, well, they're the same, just with a lot
of nice acetominophen for your liver.  Just cover that
gaping hole in your liver from all those wonderful
intoxicants, and go on about your daily life.  Huh...

[Sam]

MY NAME  IS SAM I JUST  FOUND THIS WEB SITE .I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT  PEOPLE HAVE  THE  SAME  PROBLEMS AS  ME  AND  MY WIFE. I HAVE  BEEN DOING PAIN PILLS SINCE  I HAD MY ROTO CUFF  FIX  IN 1989. I BUILD  HOUSES FOR  A LIVING  AND  WAS  MAKING 100.000  GRAND EASY  NOW  I AM BANKRUPT. SINCE I FOUND  OXY 'S PERK'S  ARE  USELESS USE  10 OR MORE  AT A TIME  WE  NEED HELP  CAN SOME ONE  PLEASE  TELL US  WHAT  IS THE  BEST  WAY TO TRY  TO DETOX. WE ARE  WILLING TO TRY  ANYTHING  PLEASE HELP.SORRY IF THIS IS  A OUESTION WHERE ALSE  SHOULD  I WRITE?

[From Aunt Lindy to Mariah]

Hi Sam,
What a mess you have been through.  We can relate. Because of the holiday it may be quiet on the site I am not sure.  There are alot of great people on this site that can give you great advice.  Please keep checking here and see who responds.  Please tell your wife to hang in there.  If you have not already read back through some of the prior postings.  Also using the search button type in "Detox" you will get all kinds of prior postings.
Good Luck to you.  Like I said there are so many great people here that I am sure you will hear from.
Sincerely,
Marcie.

[techie]

hi

[Sydney Smyth]

so I recently had the chance to have the rapid detox,it was rough but got through it;now after a bit of time I have been doing oxycotin for 2wks 80mg a day  and of course after 2wks this is now only sustaining me!!I am soo ashamed I relapsed when ppl would die at the chance to have that procedure.Being that I have only been taking oc's for 2wks I need 2 stop now.Prob is I dont know how I should wean down over the next week and I have no clue if the withdrwl symptoms will be real bad or not.I have tried to get off b 4 after 4yrs but was never successful,that's why I must do this now!!!Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated,any guesses at how long the withdrwl will last also,keep in mind ive been doing one 80mg oxycotin 4 2wks now and now it just sustains me.help please!!!!

[Ga Guy]

This post is from 2000. We all hope Chad has recovered and is experiencing life again. Just on a side not..after reading some of these posts to Chad after his relapse...Beach isn't half as harsh as some people have said :)