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Pain Medication
How do you know if your Doctor can prescribe any type schedule medication to you. Can normal family doctors prescribe Demerol to a patient? Reason I ask, is that's what I get prescribed at the hospital when I have to go in for miagraines and I was looking at get a small prescription to have at home to avoid the ER room when necessary.
I just recently began searching for another doctor to replace
my deceased MD. I stumbled into all sorts of sites with lists
of compassionate doctors, patient rights, agencies that help
get pain killers for those who really need them.
http://www.sirinet.net/~garyc/pain.htm
This is a site I put up for those of you that suffer
chronic pain. Nothing fancy, just alot of good links.
my deceased MD. I stumbled into all sorts of sites with lists
of compassionate doctors, patient rights, agencies that help
get pain killers for those who really need them.
http://www.sirinet.net/~garyc/pain.htm
This is a site I put up for those of you that suffer
chronic pain. Nothing fancy, just alot of good links.
Here is an URL with the original Thomas recipe:
http://pub37.ezboard.com/fthenewaddictionmedicineforumfrm3.showMessage?topicID=2.topic
Sworn to work by addicts everywhere.
Also some folks in the same boat you're in. No medical advice but lots of experience.
http://pub37.ezboard.com/fthenewaddictionmedicineforumfrm3.showMessage?topicID=2.topic
Sworn to work by addicts everywhere.
Also some folks in the same boat you're in. No medical advice but lots of experience.
Hi Kido Man,
I'll tell you, I felt the same way when I found this site. I couldn't believe I had found people to talk to who understood my problem and had gone through what I was going through.
Just know that there is a lot of support, love and caring out here for you, from fellow addicts. Lots of us. When the going gets tough during withdrawals, we can be here for you to walk down the road with you, one step at a time.
Please, keep us posted. I post on this forum as well as on the other one who's address was listed in a post above.
Please let us know how you are doing.
love,
WW
I'll tell you, I felt the same way when I found this site. I couldn't believe I had found people to talk to who understood my problem and had gone through what I was going through.
Just know that there is a lot of support, love and caring out here for you, from fellow addicts. Lots of us. When the going gets tough during withdrawals, we can be here for you to walk down the road with you, one step at a time.
Please, keep us posted. I post on this forum as well as on the other one who's address was listed in a post above.
Please let us know how you are doing.
love,
WW
I have been going through the pain for nearly two days now. I came in to get on the computer to order more pills two days ago and decided to look up "withdrawals" and I see your comments and recipies everywhere. You say you have been clean for 3 months... and your still here helping. I think God has blessed me with this site. I looked before for "addiction", etc. and all I was ever given was costly programs I could not afford nor take off of work long enough to go through them. Please help me all you can. I am having a real hard time right now. I am going to get the supplements you advised me about. Hope it helps. I was taking 10 to 15 10/500 Lortabs a day. Friday I took 2 and yesterday I took 1 1/2. Now I am shaking this morning and have to drive to Houston (300 miles away). Oh well I made my bed right...
THanks,
Lee
THanks,
Lee
Hi new guy, many of us have been through your symptoms. Here is a receipe, similar to the one posted above, that may help. You can find it at this site. If you wish, copy it in your browser and to to:
http://pub37.ezboard.com/fthenewaddictionmedicineforumfrm3.showMessage?topicID=2.topic
And, talking to those of us who have been there will help also. Best of luck,
Frank
http://pub37.ezboard.com/fthenewaddictionmedicineforumfrm3.showMessage?topicID=2.topic
And, talking to those of us who have been there will help also. Best of luck,
Frank
Hi newguy, and welcome to the forum!
Yes, the symptoms you are feeling from the cold turkey withdrawal are normal, and I totally understand how horrible they are, having gone through them myself just three months ago.
The good news is that after day 4 of cold turkey, you do begin to feel better...though for me, the stomache cramping lasted several weeks, and it took a good month or more until I felt completely back to normal.
I'm going to suggest several nutritional supplements you can take starting asap that will help you feel better. Most of these were told to me by a poster from this forum named Thomas, who really helped me with this recipe.
Start taking L-Tyrosine. Take it in the morning, with b6 and vitamin c to aid absorption. Take anywhere from 1000 mgs to 2000 mgs. It will help restore your normal dopamine and norepinephrine function in your brain, and will make feel better faster.
Also, take a multimineral supplement that includes zinc, magnesium, and manganese. Opiates drain the body of these.
A good multivitamin is a good idea.
If you have depression and are not on an antidepressant medication already, you can try taking the amino acid 5 HTP, about 100 mgs a day, or up to 100mg 3 times a day. This will help restore normal seratonin levels and help you feel better as well.
Also, you can take imodium AD , brand name, for the diarhea. And drink tons of water, as well as soaking in hot water to help relax you.
I hope some of this helps.
I've been clean for 3 months, and can tell you that even though life has its ups and downs, the normal challenges of life are easier to handle when I'm not in the fog of narcotics. It feels great to have freedom, to no longer be a slave to a pill.
I don't know anything about the med that your doc gave you. Try looking it up on www.rxlist.com to see what it comes up with.
good luck!
love,
WW
Yes, the symptoms you are feeling from the cold turkey withdrawal are normal, and I totally understand how horrible they are, having gone through them myself just three months ago.
The good news is that after day 4 of cold turkey, you do begin to feel better...though for me, the stomache cramping lasted several weeks, and it took a good month or more until I felt completely back to normal.
I'm going to suggest several nutritional supplements you can take starting asap that will help you feel better. Most of these were told to me by a poster from this forum named Thomas, who really helped me with this recipe.
Start taking L-Tyrosine. Take it in the morning, with b6 and vitamin c to aid absorption. Take anywhere from 1000 mgs to 2000 mgs. It will help restore your normal dopamine and norepinephrine function in your brain, and will make feel better faster.
Also, take a multimineral supplement that includes zinc, magnesium, and manganese. Opiates drain the body of these.
A good multivitamin is a good idea.
If you have depression and are not on an antidepressant medication already, you can try taking the amino acid 5 HTP, about 100 mgs a day, or up to 100mg 3 times a day. This will help restore normal seratonin levels and help you feel better as well.
Also, you can take imodium AD , brand name, for the diarhea. And drink tons of water, as well as soaking in hot water to help relax you.
I hope some of this helps.
I've been clean for 3 months, and can tell you that even though life has its ups and downs, the normal challenges of life are easier to handle when I'm not in the fog of narcotics. It feels great to have freedom, to no longer be a slave to a pill.
I don't know anything about the med that your doc gave you. Try looking it up on www.rxlist.com to see what it comes up with.
good luck!
love,
WW
Hi: Well, I never would have thought it would have happened to me but I got addicted to pain killers!(vicoden) Now, before everybody rips my head off thinking I might be judging addicts. The reason I say this is because I know better I have a family full of addicts. It happened so fast that I didnt even realize it. In my own little mind I thought the best way to get off them was to do it slowly, try to ween myself off them. I soon found out this was not the best thing to do, so now I have gone cold turkey. I have been off them for 3 days now and I am having the worst withdraw symptoms. They are chest congestion, tremors, ( slight shaking in my hands)Diarrhea and the most horrible abdominal crampping I have ever experienced. I guess my question is, are these symptoms normal and if so will they last long? Also, I have one more question. My doctor perscribed for me 10mgs of Bentyl to take twice a day prn to help with the crampping. Now for my second question is bentyl a narcotic? Will it make breaking my addiction harder in the long run?
Well...we all have the potential to face relapse..that is part of being an addict. So don't beat yourself up for relapsing, and remember that a relapse does not negate all the progress you have made. Just pick yourself up and get back on your program of working toward being free of the Dragon, one day at a time..or one hour at a time if that is all you can handle..it sure was for me.
Get as much support as you can from fellow addicts who understand how hard it is to fight the mental cravings. You are not alone..not by any means. I fight cravings a lot still...what helps me is to remember the hell of withdrawals, and to ask myself if the temporary warm fuzzy feeling will be worth loosing myself to slavery to a drug again. When I put it that way to myself, it helps me stay clean..but again, it is a daily choice. I try not to think about "forever"..just day by day.
love,
WW
Get as much support as you can from fellow addicts who understand how hard it is to fight the mental cravings. You are not alone..not by any means. I fight cravings a lot still...what helps me is to remember the hell of withdrawals, and to ask myself if the temporary warm fuzzy feeling will be worth loosing myself to slavery to a drug again. When I put it that way to myself, it helps me stay clean..but again, it is a daily choice. I try not to think about "forever"..just day by day.
love,
WW
bugslifew:
you don't go thr rest of your life without using (think about
how much fun your having just trying to make that decision).
break your life up into doable chunks (days , hours, minutes).
one of the few "skills" endowed to a junky is the ability to
wait on something. try to draw on this and you may be able to put
some time in inbetween your relapses. just keep trying!!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
you don't go thr rest of your life without using (think about
how much fun your having just trying to make that decision).
break your life up into doable chunks (days , hours, minutes).
one of the few "skills" endowed to a junky is the ability to
wait on something. try to draw on this and you may be able to put
some time in inbetween your relapses. just keep trying!!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
i know u r all right about "truth" and "responsibility" i thought i killed my habbit a month ago. in fact i was sure of it. i made promises to important people in my life and broke them all, and none of them know this.
i know it's wrong. how do u get the will power? how do u say i will never ever touch the stuff and not slip up when one day it's in front of you??????? i guess i am still not fully facing the truth, and not ready to quit. i want to so badly...does anyone have advice on what to do when u slip up? or have a set back and you are back on the horrible pattern of popping pills?
you all are so helpful, this sight is the best
i know it's wrong. how do u get the will power? how do u say i will never ever touch the stuff and not slip up when one day it's in front of you??????? i guess i am still not fully facing the truth, and not ready to quit. i want to so badly...does anyone have advice on what to do when u slip up? or have a set back and you are back on the horrible pattern of popping pills?
you all are so helpful, this sight is the best
Radioboy, in my opinion, you should talk to your M.D. about your migraines and seek out the causes. Getting take home Demorol is probably a pretty tall order. There are other meds out there that may be a lot safer, made specifically for certain types of migraines and probably don't carry as much of a chance for abuse. I assume that because you are at this site at all, there may be a temptation there that I myself wouldn't want in my medicine cabinet. Just my opinion.
Bugslifew, I'm full of opinions today. In response to your post below I mentioned to you about "Truth", telling yourself your own "Truth". Once that is done you need to do the same around you. Dr's are supposed to relieve suffering, perscribing to you a pain killer if you told them you were in pain is usually them doing what you want. The availability of the drugs don't feed your habit. You feed your habit. All of us addicts when "using" feed our habits. Truth, did you tell your Dr. that you cannot control your intake of "opiates" and abuse them? If you did and he still gave you what you want, then he is a party to your problem. But ultimately we make the choice to use and abuse. If it was the other way, how many non abusers would not be able to get what they need because of us? Which way is best? Hold out on those who would make good choices because of those who do not? When I finally wanted to live up to my "Truth" and quit using the "Dragon", the first thing I did was go to my personal M.D. and Orthopedic surgeon and told them the extent of my usage. They were shocked, each not knowing the other was prescribing not to mention the amounts I was getting of the "black market" which amounted to thousands more then they would give me. I told each of them that unless I was blacking out from pain like the loss of a limb or such, I didn't want so much as an "opiated" cough syrup from either of them, ever. Once I did that, I knew I had made the REAL commitment towards the first step to recovery. The hardest thing for me I think was speaking the words of "Truth" to my "sources" putting an end to the suplly as I knew it. Once done, the first weight was lifted as I then "knew" there was no turning back for me. Not unless I wanted to start all over finding Doc's and pharmacists and such. If you want to make the commitment then REALLY make the commitment to recover. Only "Truth" will set you free. The beauty of being created as we are is having the unique attribute of "FREE WILL". WE make the "choices". Either good or bad, WE make the choice. Next time you are in that office seeing your Dr., think about what "Wiz" wrote. "Truth" and "Choices". They are yours to make or break. Make good ones.
All that I have written here pertains to the abuses of the "Dragon" and in no way is to be construed to mean those who have a legitimate reason for meds to continue to have quality of life. As I said above, I'm full of opinions today. I hope I have helped you in some way. This my friend, is My Choice and My Truth......
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wiz
Bugslifew, I'm full of opinions today. In response to your post below I mentioned to you about "Truth", telling yourself your own "Truth". Once that is done you need to do the same around you. Dr's are supposed to relieve suffering, perscribing to you a pain killer if you told them you were in pain is usually them doing what you want. The availability of the drugs don't feed your habit. You feed your habit. All of us addicts when "using" feed our habits. Truth, did you tell your Dr. that you cannot control your intake of "opiates" and abuse them? If you did and he still gave you what you want, then he is a party to your problem. But ultimately we make the choice to use and abuse. If it was the other way, how many non abusers would not be able to get what they need because of us? Which way is best? Hold out on those who would make good choices because of those who do not? When I finally wanted to live up to my "Truth" and quit using the "Dragon", the first thing I did was go to my personal M.D. and Orthopedic surgeon and told them the extent of my usage. They were shocked, each not knowing the other was prescribing not to mention the amounts I was getting of the "black market" which amounted to thousands more then they would give me. I told each of them that unless I was blacking out from pain like the loss of a limb or such, I didn't want so much as an "opiated" cough syrup from either of them, ever. Once I did that, I knew I had made the REAL commitment towards the first step to recovery. The hardest thing for me I think was speaking the words of "Truth" to my "sources" putting an end to the suplly as I knew it. Once done, the first weight was lifted as I then "knew" there was no turning back for me. Not unless I wanted to start all over finding Doc's and pharmacists and such. If you want to make the commitment then REALLY make the commitment to recover. Only "Truth" will set you free. The beauty of being created as we are is having the unique attribute of "FREE WILL". WE make the "choices". Either good or bad, WE make the choice. Next time you are in that office seeing your Dr., think about what "Wiz" wrote. "Truth" and "Choices". They are yours to make or break. Make good ones.
All that I have written here pertains to the abuses of the "Dragon" and in no way is to be construed to mean those who have a legitimate reason for meds to continue to have quality of life. As I said above, I'm full of opinions today. I hope I have helped you in some way. This my friend, is My Choice and My Truth......
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wiz
It is far too easy to get narcotics, but these days Doctors are being more cautious. It all depends on the doctor.
In the early stages of recovery, when we are still feeling a lot of craving for the meds, and the desire for recovery has not yet outweighed the cravings to use, we are particularly vulnerable to the Docs who are more generous with the prescription pad.
But..we are still responsible for what we tell the Docs. It is up to us to let them know that we are addicts, and that we need to be very careful with narcotic use. Yes..we need to take them if we have chronic pain that only a narcotic can fix, but if the Doc knows we have addiction tendencies, they will try to find other options before resorting to narcotics. A doctor should not rule out narcotic use just because someone has a history of addiction, but they can help us use the meds appropriately if they know about our problem.
The bottom line is, we have to be responsible for our recovery, and do our best to avoid the 'generous' docs when we are in that early recovery phase, where saying no to narcotics is nearly impossible to do.
This may sound harsh...but, it's my two cents!
love,
WW
In the early stages of recovery, when we are still feeling a lot of craving for the meds, and the desire for recovery has not yet outweighed the cravings to use, we are particularly vulnerable to the Docs who are more generous with the prescription pad.
But..we are still responsible for what we tell the Docs. It is up to us to let them know that we are addicts, and that we need to be very careful with narcotic use. Yes..we need to take them if we have chronic pain that only a narcotic can fix, but if the Doc knows we have addiction tendencies, they will try to find other options before resorting to narcotics. A doctor should not rule out narcotic use just because someone has a history of addiction, but they can help us use the meds appropriately if they know about our problem.
The bottom line is, we have to be responsible for our recovery, and do our best to avoid the 'generous' docs when we are in that early recovery phase, where saying no to narcotics is nearly impossible to do.
This may sound harsh...but, it's my two cents!
love,
WW
Most doctors display their narcotics license somewhere in the waiting room. It will tell you whether they can prescribe schedule II drugs like Demerol. I'm not in the medical profession but several of my family members are. Sometimes Demerol is used for migraine pain "just to get you out the door", so to speak. Believe it or not, they can see right through you. And no, you wouldn't get a small script to take home to keep you from coming back. It's bad business.
WW hit the nail on the head with her advise about responsibility...whew, that's a long word that means quit playing games with doctors and get honest with your own self. Seven years ago last month, I got busted for writing my own scripts. How low can you go?
J.B.
WW hit the nail on the head with her advise about responsibility...whew, that's a long word that means quit playing games with doctors and get honest with your own self. Seven years ago last month, I got busted for writing my own scripts. How low can you go?
J.B.
hey bugslifew,
They should be, your doctor either loves you or is trying to ruin you, either way, its going to be a long road if you stay with that doctor.
They should be, your doctor either loves you or is trying to ruin you, either way, its going to be a long road if you stay with that doctor.
I think a family doctor can prescribe anything. Be CAREFUL what ever you do, I had a doctor that used to give me 90 vicoden with 3 refill, you can get extremely addicted very quickly.
I just don't get it.....i went to the doc. for a throat infection, and throat pain...he gave me 50 vics...why is it soo easy to get these??? Are some doctors more apt to perscribe meds. like this more than others? Of course I couldn't wait to go and fill the perscription. He gave me 30 tabs last week...
my question to everyone is how is it so easy to get narcotics? I mean it's feeding my habit...aren't docs trained about this in med school?
any feed back would help...
thanks to wizard for your advice earlier
my question to everyone is how is it so easy to get narcotics? I mean it's feeding my habit...aren't docs trained about this in med school?
any feed back would help...
thanks to wizard for your advice earlier
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