Pharmacy's refusal

[Dee]

After my surgery wed. the Dr. gave my husband an rx of vicodin, he took it to costco to fill it after he brought me home and the Pharmacist told him i had just filled an rx for norco a few days before and he didnt want to fill the vicodin rx. My husband yelled and the Pharmacist said he would fill it but he wouldnt refill it. Is he allowed to do that? DeeDee

[chad]

Go to a different pharmacy.

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Was this one of the big chain Pharmacies?  I won't even deal with them since my bad experience at Walmart...insensitive snobs is what they are.  J.B.

[dee dee]

Yes is is a big chain pharmacy.I'm definetly leaning alot from this site. thanks to all.

[Heyrae]

Hate to jump on this thread but as you all know, you just cant make a new one.

Here's my dilemma, I have severe Rheumatoid Arthritis for 7-8 yrs. now, I'm 29 yrs. old.  I now see a Pain Specialist Clinic, I really dont like my doctor because he's very insensitive! Very.  Before going there I was downing around 12 - 18 vicodins 7.5 or 10/660 a day to keep sane and somewhat painfree.  So my I finally admitted to my doctor that I had a problem with this medicine not doing it for me anymore so now I see the pain clinic.  Before I saw them my Rheumy gave me oxycontin 20mg 3xs a day (just for that week until I saw the Pain Clinic), but that didn't help and gave me panic attacks.  Until I saw the "Clinic".  So they started me on Kadian 50mg 1 a day, 3 norco for breakthrough and some sleeping aid that did nothing.  I tried to go 4 days and I was in pain with no relief so I went back to the pain clinic.  They bumped me to 50mg of Kadian 2 a day at around 5-8pm so it would peak around morning.  I tried for a week and nothing too.  Maybe I was hopeing for a miracle or something since it was Morphine!!  So I went back, they were a little disturbed that this hadn't helped and started making threats that maybe nothing would help me, of course I cried, so he said take 3 50mgs with 3 norco for breakthrough and Klonipin for sleep.  The clonipin helped, and for 2 days it seemed that I could feel a difference.  But then it died away, and the weather is changing really bad with the rain and storms and I'm suffering.  I just went back to the pain clinic cause I went through a really hard weekend, and on Tuesday I wanted to tell them what I went through.  The doctor was so cold, and told me that, "Do you know your taking the most medicine here in the clinic, not even the Cancer patients take this much."  I felt so terrible.  I didn't ask what others were on.  And I'm sorry I dont care at this point, I wanted him to feel the popping in my shoulder, the way it gets like it's dislocated, and up to me to place it back, I wanted him to suffer like I was, instead of lecturing me.  He said well if what were giving you isn't working then lets just stop it all together, I asked wasn't there some other approach we could try, "No, no we've tried everything."  He's a D _ _ N! Lie cause I've only been there about 1 1/2 months.

Why doesn't the Kadian help?  Is it cause I was taking so much vicodin for so many years?  It is a strong dosage but when times get rough, I cant feel it help any.  And then I want to pop pills of norco like I use to.  I've really been good not too.  I do go to 4 or 5 pills but thats like 2 x's a week, then I suffer when I run out.  What else can I suggest to him withough him jumping on my back.  My husband is coming to my next visit.  And he said rest assure, NO ONE was gonna make me come out of that office crying.

I could use some advice.  Is Kadian stronger than oxycontin, maybe I could take that again but at a higher dosage,(like he would really listen.)  Why can these doctors be so heartless and then just leave you there, with your pains and sad thoughts, they know your already depressed.  I hate it.  I just want to take something that will last.

HELP!
***@****

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Taking 12 to 18 Vicodin per day?  That's a lot of Tylenol which is pretty hard on the liver.  I'd gladly take the Kadian instead.  Kadian is similar to MS Contin and a pretty potent timed release opiate without the acetaminaphine. My wife was taking 180mgs of MS Contin per day and had MSIR 15mgs for breakthrough pain.  Later on she was given Dilaudid as the pain(cancer related) worsened and her tolerance increased. Going from that many Vicodin per day to 50mgs of morphine might be your problem.  You may be having withdrawals due to the change.  I don't know anything about OXY Contin except a lot of bad press releases and horror stories from people who abuse it.  I hope that the others here can give you more information.  J.B.

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Taking 12 to 18 Vicodin per day?  That's a lot of Tylenol which is pretty hard on the liver.  I'd gladly take the Kadian instead.  Kadian is similar to MS Contin and a pretty potent timed release opiate without the acetaminaphine. My wife was taking 180mgs of MS Contin per day and had MSIR 15mgs for breakthrough pain.  Later on she was given Dilaudid as the pain(cancer related) worsened and her tolerance increased. Going from that many Vicodin per day to 50mgs of morphine might be your problem.  You may be having withdrawals due to the change.  I don't know anything about OXY Contin except a lot of bad press releases and horror stories from people who abuse it.  I hope that the others here can give you more information.  J.B.

[cindi]

These pharmacies are really pissin me off.  I went through something similar last year ,  First I had some really bad dental work done and my dentist gave me VicES. 20 of them,  about 3 days later I came down with pneumonia ( get pneumonia at least 2 times a year thanks to the daycare I work at, an a shoddy immune system)  So my lung doc called me in some antibiotics and vicodin tuss cough syrup.  CVS refused to fill the cough syrup.  They told me to take a vicodin with Robitussin for the cough.  so I had to waste my pain pills for my teeth and use them for my cough.  My doc didn't even fight with them.  Go figure.  take care hope you feel better   cin

[PS >>>>Annie]

I cannot believe a pharmacy has the right to refuse a patient their pain medication.  Are we living in a Democracy or a communist country.  This is so unreal.  I havent had this problem yet, but do not go to the same pharmacy...ever.  

Doctors won't fight this problem, because they feel their hands are tied.  They are already afraid to prescribe the meds in the first place.  First the insurance companys are telling the doctors what they can and cannot do, and now the pharmacy.  This is so unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PS >>>>Annie]

Why don't we just skip the doctor visit alltogether and just ask the pharmacy what we can have.
I stopped using Wal-Mart a long time ago.....cause they started printing your history on the medication info. print out.  Like be aware of the medication you have taken, or something.  I dont think they do this anymore.  It may have been one particular pharmacist that did this.

[Heyrae]

Thank you so much for your advice.  No one else has said anything from this forum or they just haven't read my post yet.

This is what I'm thinking of doing.  What do you think.  My husband wants for me to start halfing my norco and that way I'll be taking 6 dosages throughout the day.  He said that the body can make it self get use to anything as long as its still being fed something.  I'm sure it'll be okaaaay for the days that the weather isn't really bad, but on days like these past few weeks my pain runs from my wrist, shoulder and hands, plus I have a 10mth old baby who is a whopping 24lbs, and thats alot of lifting, and she perfers me over my husband, even though he tries.

What about this MS Contin and the other drug you mentioned, do you think that would work a little bit better than 150mg of Kadian and 3 norco a day?  I so do hate this so much!!!! I pray for all of us on this forum as much as possible.  But I believe God put us all here together in the meantime to give each other help, love and support.  I hope that one day I can do the same for someone else.  

I'm afraid of taking Kadian for too long cause I dont know if I mentioned but in a year I'll be ready to start trying again for another child.  This one has given my life so much hope an joy even on the bad days.  That was my God sent.

I'm so confused I know that what I'm taking right now is just not really cutting it and now I'm finishing the clonipin way to early hoping that taking that with the norco will make my day seem more copable.

What do you suggest, should I stop taking the clonipin before that becomes a problem, and 1/2 my norco's, and then little by little tttrrrryyyy to go from 150 to 100mg of Kadian, anyways I'm doubting that they are really doing all that much, but I guess they must be cause I went from downing almost 20 10/660 hydrocodones a day to maybe 4 maybe 5 a day.  I just dont want to suffer more in the long run when I get pregnant and they only want to give me 1-3 vicodins a day.  Does it sound like the Kadian is really helping cause I'm not downing 20 vic's a day?  Is there something else I could try that you know of or can you ask your friends here on the forum for me.  Thank you J.B. so much, I know its just advise but it means the world to me.  So much that I believe that God is going to Bless you for just being here and listening to me and others that need someone to give advise to.  Tonight and tomorrow I'm praying for your blessings to be expedient and abuntfull!  I'm not a radical, but honestly I have great belief in God, but I still go through day to day realities.  But whenever I pray and ask God for help or need him to take me out of a jam, he always has done it.  In my family I'm the go to person for prayers.  Doooeesn't mean I'm super duper or anything, but what it does mean that he brought you and this forum in my life for a reason, so believe I've been praying for relief and peace of mind for many of you and you nameless people rest assure that he's listening.

Let me stop jabbering on and on, please give me more input on what I had asked earlier J.B.  Thanks again to you.

Please email me privately if you ever feel the need or think I could use some advise, which I always do.  Like right now I'm typing over here at 2:46am.  Cant sleep.

Take great care everyone!!!  ***@****

[PS >>>>Annie]

I just got finished reading your post down below about that pharmacy Cindi went to.  Well, you got me charged up and going again.  Now they did it to Dee Dee.  I'm going in for surgury next week, and let me tell you....I'll will definately take your advice about calling the news team if they refuse my medication!
You have the right idea.  We need to bring this story out to the public.  I say let's make a personal goal on behalf of humanity to report these so called pharmacist.  We need to take this serious, because it could very well be one of our children, grandparents, parents, etc. etc. that they refuse next.  This is inhumane.  This is the world we live in, and it's up to us to make some changes.  Now I've seen it all!!!!!!!!!
DEE DEE,
How are you feeling.  I know your still recouperating.  Just thought I'd ck in on you.  Hope your doing ok.
Annie
PS
The Pharmacy Board may be a good place to start, then 20/20, then Primetime, Dateline, local news.....and on and on..(:

[dee dee]

To Annie, I love your spunk. I'm doing pretty good, thanks for asking.Got the cast off yesterday, but can't use the hand yet, so everyone on the road, watch out for this one handed driver.I'm a court appointed advocate for a soon to be 13 year old boy who doesn't live very close to me but i wont let him down and not show up for my visit with him tomorrow, so if you feel like saying a little prayer for me with my driving tomorrow i won't complain. how are you doing? DeeDee

[to doc dan from joe]

My pharmacist gives me a hard time evertime I get a refill, he keeps getting on my case about getting switched from roxicodone to oxycontin and even went as far a asking me why I need the pain meds.  Well last night I got did get switched to oxycontin and also got some roxicodone for break through pain, as I went to grab 2 roxicodone I realized something was wrong with the pills,they looked slightly different (size and color) the pharmacist mixed the meds up and I almost ended up taking way too much oxycontin by mistake.  I wanted to call him to let him know, but it was late, I might mention it to him next time I get a refill.

[PS >>>>Annie]

You know, I never realized untill reading your post....Our lives are in the dam Pharmacists hands.  Don't ever let something like that slip by.  Man, you need to let them know what a boo boo they made!  I say find a new Pharmacy...Pronto!

Annie

[to doc dan from joe]

Unfortunately, the pain specialist that I see "makes me" go see the same pharmacist each time I get a refill, under threat of discharge from his practice.  Ethough my pharmacist is a jerk, he knows he can get away with it.  You wouldn't believe the looks he gives my when I show up for a refill, checking the script with the doctor, photocopying my drivers license etc.  I wish he was in constant pain so he knows that I don't take these for pleasure.

[PS >>>>Annie]

I'm so sorry you have to put up with this.  At least you are getting the medication you need.  I don't recall, what is the nature of your illness??  
I say just tell your doctor, casually, about this.  I've never had to give my license to the pharmacist, but had it photocopied at the doctor's ofc.  Makes you feel like a criminal dont it.
I hope times will get better for chronic pain patients and addiction.  

Annie

[dee dee]

To Annie, i didn't forget your surgery tomorrow. I sent over a pre-op prayer. I wish you the best of luck, and hope to hear from you soon. I'll send another prayer tomorrow. DeeDee

[to doc dan from joe]

I was involved in a car accident several yrs ago, the pain started in my shoulder the next day and has never left except for a few brief periods.  Fortunatley the pain specialist that I found is trying to do something about it, i had a proceedure done yesterday called an ablation.  This involves "burning" the nerve off with radio waves, so once the nerve dies off (in about 2 weeks) the pain sensation should go away.  Hurts like hell right now but its a small price to pay to be pain free for ever not just a temporary fix.  Then comes the fun part, detox from all the pain meds that I've had to take.  Luckily I don't have an addictive personality and don't think it will be too hard to go through withdrawal, had to do it once before when I had a 2 week period of no pain after getting a botox injection.  Just remember being sick like a dog for about a week and no cravings for my meds.

[PS >>>>Annie]

I think I can safely say, "I relate."  I am on day 4 of recouperation from surgury.  I was in severe pain upon awakening from the anestesia, and still have pain.  I was coaching my husband about pharmacy protocal.  Can you believe, what we have to go through.  
I tried tapering from my meds today, and found myself extremely tired and nauseaus.  I guess I am an official addict now, or as common opinion would see it.  I hope the procedure works for you.
I know how hard it can be to cope w/ life and pain all in the same time frame.  Good luck w/ your recovery.

Annie

[PS >>>>Annie]

Well as I told Joec...It's day #4.  I had a successful surgury, and I know all to well, it's due in part to all the prayers I have received from caring people such as yourself.  Although, I had some really bad days, I made it through.  I was in severe pain when coming out of the anestesia.  The doctor had some difficulty removing the hardware, because the tools are not used anymore for that particular piece.  It's outdated, because medicine makes fast advancements in this area.  I'm trying to keep my spirits up, but each time I go through something like this, I feel the life slowly draining out of me.  God has kept me here for a purpose I'm sure.  Well, now I will need all the support I can get, because I've been on so much medication, I know there will be severe withdrawals ahead.  Eventhough I do suffer from chronic pain daily, my doctors do not prescribe pain meds freely.  He did make me aware that future surgurys were ahead, but this has bought me some time.  Dee Dee, thanks for your prayer.  You have no idea what it meant.

Annie

[cindi]

Hi Annie,  I hope you are doing better. I have been thinking about you and my prayers are with you.  I am just so upset about all this pharmacy ****.  I did by the way report that pharmacist.  They said things like yeah well, We can check out the complaint yada yada yada.  They acted as though I was just another addict making waves because I couldn't get my drugs.  I too get the "looks" when I get scripts for something and these pharmacists are nothing but arrogant, egotistical, uncompassionate people with a severe God like syndrome.  I feel like contacting the media.  How is your pain?  Is it easing up any?  I sure hope so.    talk to you soon    take care,  love cindi

[PS >>>>Annie]

Thank you for keeping me in your prayers.  The pain is much better.  I saw that you posted under my responses about my surgury on another thread.  This whole ordeal upsets me, but you know my spiritual beliefs....I have to believe that my pain will make me stronger.....and it has.  I have to beleive (like Tom), laws will change.  Maybe I will be an instrument in this change...one day.  Well who knows.  Wish I could sit here longer, but hurts a bit.. to sit....Hey, look a tacky rhyme. lmao
K.I.T.
Annie (:

[cindi]

So nice to see you are doing better,  Yout a poet and didn't know it.  Talk to you soon   Love cindi

[spook]

I usually just come back later with a sawn off shot gun and a ski mask and sun glasses, works every time,although sometimes they give me more PAINKILLERS than I NEED.

[spook]

Daily Doses of 400mg of Morphine have been required within starting Analgesic therapy,everybody is different,if a doctor does not know this,you have to forgive their ignorance,maybe they were away on the day they taught that at medical school/University.Find a REAL Doctor.Some would not know if their arse was on fire,next time a doctor,gives you a hard time regarding Pain relief,tell them you have a hemorrhoid problem,and fart in their face when they are examining you,makes me feel better anyway.
Also walk out without paying.

[spook]

If people want to abuse drugs that is their business,not Politicians,Doctors,Chemists and Police Officers,Who the hell do you people think you are DICTATING what another Human does with THEIR life?.Just because you can PLAY god does not mean you are.This is real life not a text book,this is OUR lives,your jails will overflow,your hospitals will bulge at the seems,people will kill themselves and each other,all because of a word,nothing more or less just the word "ABUSE",well you people have abused your power to long,expect a big change soon.
Maybe it is time we released our information to the public about the names of these PROMINENT people who also abuse drugs,we?--(PRAY)-- have got the records,data bases are not secure,all have been hacked,the games over.It was a boring game anyway.

[spook]

<b>Criteria for Substance Dependence Diagnosis
How can we tell if someone is "ABUSING" or "addicted" to drugs?
</b>
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual - IV(Psychiatrists Reference Manual)
A maladaptive pattern of substance use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress as manifested by three (or more) of the following, occurring at any time in the same 12-month period:

1.Substance is often taken in larger amounts or over longer period than intended


2.Persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use


3.A great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance (e.g., visiting multiple doctors or driving long distances), use the substance (e.g., chain smoking), or recover from its effects


4.Important social, occupational, or recreational activities given up or reduced because of substance abuse


5.Continued substance use despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent psychological, or physical problem that is caused or exacerbated by use of the substance


6.Tolerance, as defined by either:
need for read amounts of the substance in order to achieve intoxication or desired effect; or
markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount



7.Withdrawal, as manifested by either:
characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance; or
the same (or closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms



<B>International Classification of Diseases - 10</B>
[ICD-10 research criteria differ from the clinical diagnostic quidelines listed here.] Three or more of the following must have been experienced or exhibited at some time during the previous year:

1.Difficulties in controlling substance-taking behavior in terms of its onset, termination, or levels of use


2.A strong desire or sense of compulsion to take the substance


3.Progressive neglect of alternative pleasures or interests because of psychoactive substance use, increased amount of time necessary to obtain or take the substance or to recover from its effects


4.Persisting with substance use despite clear evidence of overtly harmful consequences, depressive mood states consequent to heavy use, or drug related impairment of cognitive functioning


5.Evidence of tolerance, such that increased doses of the psychoactive substance are required in order to achieve effects originally produced by lower doses


6.A physiological withdrawal state when substance use has ceased or been reduced, as evidence by: the characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance; or use of the same (or a closely related) substance with the intention of relieving or avoiding withdrawal symptoms

[PS >>>>Annie]

......Do you agree with this documentation???  Although some of the criteria may be accurate, Chronic pain advocates are developing new perspectives to the contrary.  Are you familiar with the Pain Patients Bill of Rights??  Advocates are trying to make the medical community aware of the differences between tolerance levels,physical dependancy, and addiction.  I am pretty sure you are up to date on this.  It's just seems as though this documentation weighs far on the side of the old way of thinking, if you will.  I do aggree that "drug-seekers"(as one might call it) do exhibit these tendencies.  I beleive each case is different.  It can be quite an undertaking for physicians to become judge and jury.... who should be treated w/ opiate pain medication, and who should not, and the laws are always a factor.  Although the wheels of progress are moving ever so slowly...we are trying to move in the right direction where all of this is concerned.  I am still quite naive, eventhough, I have been thrown into this fish bowl for over 8 years...I still have much to learn and much to catch up on.  I am only 32.

Thank you for your time,

Annie  (:

[susie44718]

i had an eye surgery done in 1995 and have had chronic pain in the eye socket ever since.  i have been to countless doctors and no one can figure out why i am having pain.  finally i started seeing a wonderful dr at a pain managment clinic.  i take oxycontin 10 mg 3 x's day, 1-2 vicodin 3 x's day, celebrex 200 mg 2 x's day, inderal 40 mg 1 x day.  i also have narcolepsy that started in my early 20's so i have to take 2 dexedrine 15 mg 2 x's day.  vicodin is a controlled substance and oxy and dexedrine are both narcotics.  i just wanted you to know that i understand all the pain and frustration you feel.
i also have worked in a pharmacy in ohio as a tech for the past 7 years.  i wanted to tell you that yes, the pharmacist does have the right to refuse to fill any prescription.  this is not because he/she just doesn't want to fill them or just want to be evil--they have a license to protect just like a doctor.  they had to go to school for 5 years and continue to do credit work every year to obtain the license so they are not going to chance loosing it, just like the doctors.  there are also very strick laws they have to follow and the state board of pharmacy does come in and do audits on the rx's we've filled.  there are many people who do not need the meds, but take them to get high or sell them.  that is why there are so many guidelines to follow...because of these types of people.  there have also been times when the pharmacist questions the doseage or flling it too soon and the patient has been taking the wrong amount and didn't know it.  this could cause problems for the patient so the pharmacist is just interested and concerned with their well-being.  ususally the only customers we wonder about are the ones who go to many different doctors for the same drug and go to different pharmacies.  if a doctor or pharmacy finds out about someone illegally getting prescriptions, they are required to report them to the state board and then they start a hot-line where we call 5 pharmacies, then each one of them call 5 diff pharmacies, and so on.  it is also reported to the area doctors.  but if a person does take may dif meds that are controlled or narcotics and they are from the same doctors office, then they are not questioned.  sometimes if we question a customer about their meds, they get angry and start yelling, but it is usually not to accuse them of anything, but just to make sure they are not harming their selves. many pain pills are not very kind to your liver and other internal organs.  if the pharmacist was rude to your husband, i think you or he should say something--especially if it is your regular pharmacy. just talk to your pharmacist so they know your situation--why your take so many meds, why sometimes you need them early, or anything like that. really the pharmacist is there to help you. they might even have some suggestions about your meds to help you.  there are just so many dishonest people today that they do sometimes have to use their judgement and question people.  i understand the patients point of view because i have to take so many meds myself, but i also understand the point of view from the other side of the counter.
if i can help with any other pharmacy questions, just let me know. :)
susie

[susie44718]

i've worked as a pharmacy tech for the past 7+ years and i can't believe that a phamacy refused to fill your rx of vicotuss!! i know it is just liquid vicodin and you had the tabs filled earlier, but i just can't believe they wouldn't fill it.  obiously you were sick because you got an antibiotic.  did your insurance company reject the claim or did the pharmacist just refuse to fill it?  that is just stupid of the pharmacist.  do you stil go to that place?

[cindi]

I appreciate you input, but I can tell you some horror stories about thes pharmacists at CVS and Rite Aid.  They are all terrible.  CVS gave me the trouble .  I have to get going to work but I'll jump on later and then I can elaborate some    take care    cindi

[PS >>>>Annie]

.....I'm sure it's not our intent to bash all pharmacist, but I do believe...a majority do take the power trip a little too serious.  One call to the doctor should clear up any misconceptions.  And...I do mean one call!  
I have heard horror stories also.  One of our employee's relatives is a pharmacist, and talks bad about the patients all the time.  People over-hear this.  THIS PROBLEM IS A REALITY!

Annie

Ps....I dare one of them to deny my medications...with all the problems I have.  Look out!  Pain gives life to great vengeance...lol

[spook]

Your points are valid and correct.My point is according to my ><?`illicit` drug use patterns and Psychiatric Diagnosis and Prognosis,I am neither "abusing" nor "Addicted" to the drugs (or never will be) I "occassionally"(when I feel like it) use,those being :LSD,CANNABIS,HEROIN,ALCOHOL,BENZODIAZEPINES,COCAINE(not- CRACK),2-CB,Methylamphetamine,Multitude of Opioid Derivatives.[(note I do not use MDMA(XTC) because it is Neurotoxic-(serotonin)].
Yet I am Morally Correct(read the 10 commandments,n.b. not that I subscribe in it absolutely,I require around 16 commandments to exist in MY Moral Paradigm) in my use of them although legally incorrect,following this logic,if the real purpose of Criminalizing These Pleasure and insight inducing drugs is because they are Addictive and can be Abused,then cleary for ME anyway I am denied my `~Basic Human Right~` to alter my Level of Consciousness and Cognitive/emotive STATE.
I could challenge the very laws of prohibition,with Psychiatric evidence that the LAWS are defective and Discriminatory and Are Materialist Autocratic mechanisms of Social control and manipulation.

[spook]

CORRECTION Disregard Above!!!!
Your points are valid and correct.My point is according to my?`illicit` drug use patterns and Psychiatric Diagnosis and Prognosis,I am neither "abusing" nor "Addicted" to the drugs (or never will be) I "occassionally"(when I feel like it) use,those being :LSD,CANNABIS,HEROIN,ALCOHOL,BENZODIAZEPINES,COCAINE(not- CRACK),2-CB,Methylamphetamine,Multitude of Opioid Derivatives.[(note I do not use MDMA(XTC) because it is Neurotoxic-(serotonin)].
Yet I am Morally Correct(read the 10 commandments,n.b. not that I subscribe in it absolutely,I require around 16 commandments to exist in MY Moral Paradigm) in my use of them although legally incorrect,following this logic,if the real purpose of Criminalizing These Pleasure and insight inducing drugs is because they are Addictive and can be Abused,then cleary for ME anyway I am denied my `~Basic Human Right~` to alter my Level of Consciousness and Cognitive/emotive STATE.
I could challenge the very laws of prohibition,with Psychiatric evidence that the LAWS are defective and Discriminatory and Are Materialist Autocratic mechanisms of Social control and manipulation.

[PS >>>>Annie]

.......I agree......I think>>>????  Ya know.......that's BIG GOVERNMENT.  Although I am, for the most part...For most laws...Our twisted way of thinking often get's inbetween logical medicine and other aspects of life.  Take the O tolerance in public schools for ex.....A child was expelled for bringing Tylenol to school for headaches he/she was having.  You see, O tolerance.  A child was expelled and set up for public scrutiny,all because he kissed a girl on the cheek..he was charged w/ sexual harassment.
Here we go again w/ O tolerance.  The Bible says in the end times man will call good..evil and evil..good.  This is what has taken place for years now.  Oh and by the way...We are living in the "grace-age"...Not under the law which includes the 10 commandments.  But you mainly, believe in the old Testament...right?  The 10 commandments are good guidlines...simple and matter of fact.   Oh here I go again.  Cant' help it.  My biblical beliefs and my societal bashing.  LOL

Your Friend,

Annie

[spook]

I read the 10 commandments And felt that they apply without saying,I already obeyed them without(before) reading them,although,
I stole some minor things as an adolesent (adolescent)(mars bar etc),it was accompanied by quilt and had lust without love.As I say again I have a mechanism to bring BIG BROTHER to its knees,only I fear for my life,with what I know Of the Hypocrasy and corruption inherent in that system of social control and the double agents within these structures,first of all the people of this world must unite and infiltrate all GOVT dept then the take over will proceed fatality free.The leader will collect up his flock and lead them to safety.I am not the leader only the messenger.Be patient.

[Francoise]

When I injured (and damn near killed) myself, I was put on oxycontin. I deliberately sought out a privately-owned, small, pharmacy in a very small little town about 20 miles from where I live. Yes, it's a little bit of a pain in the ass, but I've never had a problem in getting my prescription filled. No lectures. No comparisons with cancer patients or any of that kind of paternalist, uncalled for nonsense. I avoid the chains at all cost. Couldn't get me in an Ekert's, Costco, Wal-Mart, CVS, or any of those guys. These folks at the no-name pharmacy know me by name, know what I'm taking and why, and actually give a damn about how I'm doing and what my prognosis is.

Try it, you'll like it. Even if you have to drive an hour to get to your teeny tiny pharmacy - you'll get your medication.

[spook]

In Australia ALL of the Pharmacies are like country ones(actually it is just one big country town),I like Australia,it has a good future in the right hands.
N.B>Pathological relulctance to dispense Opioids has now been recogised by Psychiatrists as an illness,it seems to occur as a result of Government Propagander and armed robberies,many chemists are reluctant to seek help for this Pathology.
Like if I needed to refill a scipt early,I could say,I am going to a place(holiday/work whatever) where there is no Pharmacies and they go-"like cool","here you are", "sign here","have fun".

[spook]

"Nobody" can abuse a drug ,it is impossible,what you can do, if you want, is to abuse yourself, using drugs as the mechanism,that is why drug laws regarding abuse and addiction are flawed as they do not address the issue and that is `abuse of self`,not "drugs".
If a drug addict has their supply permanently terminated are they cured?,does prohibition address the human side of the issue?,does prohibition cause more problems than it cures?.
Will humans ever awake from their nightmare of ignorance?.
Will the sun eventually vaporize Planet earth?
What are we really fighting for?.
What is life for anyway?.
Who am "I"?.
If anybody else also knows the answers to the above you have my sympathy,we can only hope and PRAY it is in human nature not to destroy ourselves.

[jason6876]

I think you should know before I begin that I actually am a pharmacist.  I've only read a few of the posts on this forum, but I must say that some of you don't quite grasp the way the healthcare system in the United States works.  First, no pharmacist wants to see a patient in pain.  Of all the healthcare professionals, pharmacists are generally some of the more sympathetic that you may encounter.  Second, pharmacists are under a great deal of scrutiny from both federal and state governments when it comes to the dispensing of controlled substances (such as those mentioned here that are being used for pain).  The problem is that these substances are very often easily abused by patients whether or not that is the original intention.  That being said, it is only natural that a pharmacist will attempt to verify the authenticity of some of these prescriptions.  After all, his or her initials will be on that prescription.  Today, pharmacy students have to go through six years of rigorous schooling in order to get a doctorate to practice pharmacy.  It is not likely that they are willing to throw that away by not being cautious in their practices.  Many times, insurances are too blame when it comes to rejections for early refills of controlled substances containing the same active ingredient as something you may have just received.  Insurance companies are to blame for many patients' woes when it comes to healthcare.  

Now, as far as doctors are concerned, I can't say that brushing off a patient's pain or concerns is something remotely acceptable.  However, I can sympathize by telling you that many doctors are reluctant to prescribe certain potent pain medications because they are under similar scrutiny as pharmacists.  No physician wants the "Dr. Feelgood" reputation.  However, both pharmacists and physicians make it a goal of their practice to relieve the pain and suffering of those they serve.  I hate to be slightly coarse with you folks, but neither of us are there just to give people the stuff for which they are looking.  If we are ever under inspection we have to be able to justify everything we do and, often times, one can't simply say, "Well, the patient told me they were in pain," and have it be an acceptable excuse.  I am sorry to hear that there are those of you out there whose pain is uncontrolled.  It must be a terrible cross that you all have to bear and I deeply sympathize with you -- but at the same time, you must also understand that we have a duty to practice our respective professions to the best of our ethical and legal responsibilities.

[jason6876]

Doctors don't work to police so-called "bad" pharmacists.  In fact, the system is designed to work in quite the opposite manner.  If a pharmacist treats his/her patients unfairly, it is usually due to some character flaw on his/her behalf.  Your "one call" to the doctor will most likely not solve any of your problems.  I've actually had patients try this and what usually happens is that the doctor (or his/her representative) will call the pharmacy, ask what's going wrong with the prescription, and usually in the will end up complaining about the patient.  I've always been of the school of thought that you get more flies with honey than with vinegar.  In the future, I suggest that you try this approach.  You might find that you will have made your life (and the pharmacist's) a little bit easier and happier.