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Please Help! Sick from Subutex?
First of all I'm not sure I'm posting in the right area but here goes anyway. Ok, so I'm taking Subutex for depression. I know it's used for getting people off drugs like Heroin or Oxy's but it can work for depression in some people. At any rate, I take 2mg (one tablet) a day. I don't abuse it. Well to go back a bit, I was first taking Suboxone. I originally took 4mg a day (two tablets) and I started having weird breathing problems..... especially at night. So I went down to one tab a day. It was fine for a month or two and the same thing started happening. So I went down to a half a tab. Eventually after another month or so the same thing happened and then something really weird happened. I took it as I always do and I got sick....I mean really sick! I got VERY nauseous and it lasted all day and I finally threw up. I thought it was something else so the next day I took it and it was worse....much worse. I felt like I was going to die. So I stopped and even then it took about 3 days before I started feeling better again.
Ok, I thought maybe it's the Naloxone or whatever it's called that's doing this. So I asked for Subutex instead. Keep in mind, I haven't been abusing it at all! So I've been taking Subutex for about 3 to 4 weeks now and last night I had the weird breathing problems. The breathing problem feels like my body just stops breathing and I have to manually take a breath myself. This lasts all night and sometimes in the day if I try to sleep. I just start gasping for air all of sudden. It's very frightening and I don't understand why. At any rate if I don't take it, I can breath Ok after the first or second day being off of it. So, now, back to last night....had the breathing problem again and then I took it today and I went to the gym and when I left I started feeling slightly nauseous.....nothing major, but by the time I was going home, I thought I was going to hurl. I took Omeprazole, it's used for lowering the acid in your stomach and it generally makes your stomach feel better.
So, back to my question.....can Subutex make you sick like this. I mean I know Suboxone does and I don't understand either but I don't get this? I did have a bad addiction to Vicodin about 3 years ago. At one point I was taking 100 of the lowest dosage....5 something a day. So last year I had a kidney stone and I was prescribed Vicodin. Of course I started abusing it but something weird happened. I started having trouble breathing...during the day and the night. Anyway I stopped and then after a few months started with the Suboxone.
Has my body just changed and won't stand ANY opiod based drug. Even though Suboxone or Subutex doesn't make you high (I've heard that if you shoot it or snort it it will, but I don't do that) but it makes me feel good.....feel normal. I so much don't want to stop taking it. It's easy for me to stop taking it. The withdrawal symptoms from stopping aren't that bad at all and only seem to last a couple days....very light...just light sweats for a day or two and that's it. So it's not like I'm addicted. Because of the problems I've experienced with both I've started and stopped a few times and I don't worry about the w/d's.
Is there anyone out there that can tell me WHY I'm getting sick like this. I mean, I'm not taking any other opiods and I'm also taking Welbutrin XL and Lamictal. These are new. Even when I was taking the Suboxone, I wasn't taking anything at all except that to make sure it was nothing else. I just don't understand it. If I'm allergic to Suboxone and Subutex, then why doesn't it make me feel like right away?
I'm just scared to go off because I don't want to be depressed. I should note that when taking it, I still get a little depressed, but it's totally manageable. Please Help!
Ok, I thought maybe it's the Naloxone or whatever it's called that's doing this. So I asked for Subutex instead. Keep in mind, I haven't been abusing it at all! So I've been taking Subutex for about 3 to 4 weeks now and last night I had the weird breathing problems. The breathing problem feels like my body just stops breathing and I have to manually take a breath myself. This lasts all night and sometimes in the day if I try to sleep. I just start gasping for air all of sudden. It's very frightening and I don't understand why. At any rate if I don't take it, I can breath Ok after the first or second day being off of it. So, now, back to last night....had the breathing problem again and then I took it today and I went to the gym and when I left I started feeling slightly nauseous.....nothing major, but by the time I was going home, I thought I was going to hurl. I took Omeprazole, it's used for lowering the acid in your stomach and it generally makes your stomach feel better.
So, back to my question.....can Subutex make you sick like this. I mean I know Suboxone does and I don't understand either but I don't get this? I did have a bad addiction to Vicodin about 3 years ago. At one point I was taking 100 of the lowest dosage....5 something a day. So last year I had a kidney stone and I was prescribed Vicodin. Of course I started abusing it but something weird happened. I started having trouble breathing...during the day and the night. Anyway I stopped and then after a few months started with the Suboxone.
Has my body just changed and won't stand ANY opiod based drug. Even though Suboxone or Subutex doesn't make you high (I've heard that if you shoot it or snort it it will, but I don't do that) but it makes me feel good.....feel normal. I so much don't want to stop taking it. It's easy for me to stop taking it. The withdrawal symptoms from stopping aren't that bad at all and only seem to last a couple days....very light...just light sweats for a day or two and that's it. So it's not like I'm addicted. Because of the problems I've experienced with both I've started and stopped a few times and I don't worry about the w/d's.
Is there anyone out there that can tell me WHY I'm getting sick like this. I mean, I'm not taking any other opiods and I'm also taking Welbutrin XL and Lamictal. These are new. Even when I was taking the Suboxone, I wasn't taking anything at all except that to make sure it was nothing else. I just don't understand it. If I'm allergic to Suboxone and Subutex, then why doesn't it make me feel like right away?
I'm just scared to go off because I don't want to be depressed. I should note that when taking it, I still get a little depressed, but it's totally manageable. Please Help!
I see you have posted on two older threads. You would be better starting your own thread, as often the older ones get passed by.
Luck to you!
Luck to you!
I am on a treatment program taking 4 mil of subutex per day I have been on and off subutex over the course of a year and a half where I have tried and failed but after a period of say 2 months on H, the last week I have been re-introduced to subutex and I genrally don't feel well quite nauseous if I had the money I would have not bothered taking subutex this morning and gone out and scored. I feel kinda ****** overall perhaps I should drop it gradually 3 mil then 2 mil then 1 mil and .05. The danger of this is will I go out and score if £ is there ...... I guess it all comes down to will power in the cold stark reality of it all but I guess I would rather take subbys than methadone not as a preference thing but more connected to going through bad WD. It's Nauseous sub feeling V Methadone and it's drawbacks
I have trouble breathing as well!!! I wake up gasping for air! Last night this happend and I seriously thought I was taking my last breath!!!! It scares me!!!!
i take 1 and a half suboxones and i dont get sick u may want to make sure u dnt have anxiety u know? i take 12 mg a day so it doesnt make me sick never did and i have been on it for over a year but try talkin to ur docter to see what he says i hope this was helpful to you
Hi I started taking the Subutex yesterday to help me come of Codeine and it had exactly the same side effects,, really bad nausea,sweat and shortness of breath. Someone also mentions sleep apnea in one of their responses and strangely enough was one of the things that went through my mind when thinking of how to describe the feeling. I am sure it does not help the anxiety but I felt fine until I started to nod of off and suddenly found myself gasping for breath. I think the dose is just to high for me, started off on 2 x 2mg tablets but going to reduce to 1 x 2mg twice a day. No drug comes without a downside, it is going to be a balancing act to get the right dose for me.
i just left the subutext clinic and i got sick on the side of the road might be because i'm pregnant don't know but i got sick the dirst time today and beentaking it for a week and a half so don't know but best wishes to yo girl
Elaine, so you think the generic Subutex might not be that great? Well, the thing is, Suboxone did the same thing to me, so something about both drugs looks to be doing the same thing. It looks like I may have to stop taking the Subutex too. That REALLY stinks because, when it doesn't make me sick, I feel much better and motivated and I don't crave it like I did the Vicodin. My experiences with Vicodin have actually helped me. Since it made me so sick, I don't want to look at the stuff.
What I don't understand about both the Suboxone and the Subutex, is why when I taking really low doses, it still causes me breathing problems!?! If that was the only side effect, I might be able to handle it, but if it gets worse or the nausea continues, I'll probably have to stop it completely.
I hope it works out for you though, but I can tell you personally that the Vicodin withdrawals aren't as bad as when the Sub was making me that sick. If you have to, just stop taking it altogether. It won't be pleasant, but you'll feel much better in the end. That is, if it continues to make you sick and the breathing problems persist or get worse.
How you feel getting off Vicodin (or anything actually for that matter) really depends on your outlook. Before I finally got off of it....yeah I've had some slip ups, but I'm not craving it now in the least...yuck. Anyway before I got off of it completely, I tried to stop, but I didn't really want to and when I was off or ran out....it was hell! When I decided to stop and decided that even if I feel bad, I'm not gonna let it take me down. I may feel like crap, but I'm not gonna give up. That made sooo much difference and getting off it that last time, while it wasn't pleasant....it was by far the best w/d I've ever had. After a month I felt 100 times better.
My old p-doc told me that the brain is more powerful than any drug. Obviously the trick is, to make yourself believe that and it really works. I was a skeptic when she said that, but after that last detox, I believe it now because I believed I'd make it and I believed I'd be at least as happy as 'normal' people. That high is awesome and it does feel great, but the price is way to high....not even close to worth it. Hey, this may not be the last time I slip up, but even the slip ups I've had....only two since stopping the Vicodin almost 3 years ago. Anyway, I've only taken the Vicodin for about a week the first time I did and for some reason...the Vicodin doesn't work for me anymore thank God. Even when I wasn't taking Sub, the Vics didn't work and I'm glad!
I hope you can kick it with the Sub, but I did it without the Sub and I was fine. If I have to stop the Sub, I know I'll go through some w/d's but I know it's not gonna be like Vics because I don't crave the stuff. I think you'll be fine Elaine!
Hey, let me know if anything changes with the Sub situation!
What I don't understand about both the Suboxone and the Subutex, is why when I taking really low doses, it still causes me breathing problems!?! If that was the only side effect, I might be able to handle it, but if it gets worse or the nausea continues, I'll probably have to stop it completely.
I hope it works out for you though, but I can tell you personally that the Vicodin withdrawals aren't as bad as when the Sub was making me that sick. If you have to, just stop taking it altogether. It won't be pleasant, but you'll feel much better in the end. That is, if it continues to make you sick and the breathing problems persist or get worse.
How you feel getting off Vicodin (or anything actually for that matter) really depends on your outlook. Before I finally got off of it....yeah I've had some slip ups, but I'm not craving it now in the least...yuck. Anyway before I got off of it completely, I tried to stop, but I didn't really want to and when I was off or ran out....it was hell! When I decided to stop and decided that even if I feel bad, I'm not gonna let it take me down. I may feel like crap, but I'm not gonna give up. That made sooo much difference and getting off it that last time, while it wasn't pleasant....it was by far the best w/d I've ever had. After a month I felt 100 times better.
My old p-doc told me that the brain is more powerful than any drug. Obviously the trick is, to make yourself believe that and it really works. I was a skeptic when she said that, but after that last detox, I believe it now because I believed I'd make it and I believed I'd be at least as happy as 'normal' people. That high is awesome and it does feel great, but the price is way to high....not even close to worth it. Hey, this may not be the last time I slip up, but even the slip ups I've had....only two since stopping the Vicodin almost 3 years ago. Anyway, I've only taken the Vicodin for about a week the first time I did and for some reason...the Vicodin doesn't work for me anymore thank God. Even when I wasn't taking Sub, the Vics didn't work and I'm glad!
I hope you can kick it with the Sub, but I did it without the Sub and I was fine. If I have to stop the Sub, I know I'll go through some w/d's but I know it's not gonna be like Vics because I don't crave the stuff. I think you'll be fine Elaine!
Hey, let me know if anything changes with the Sub situation!
No, I didn't mention it the first time, but that's not how it went. When I was taking Suboxone the first time and got sick, I wasn't taking any Vicodin at all...it just started making me sick and I was taking it exactly as prescribed. I even went down on it and it still made me sick. Eventually, I couldn't take it all.....it was like I overdosed on it or something, but nothing changed. I got so sick for days....I mean like I thought I was gonna have to go to the ER.....no Vicodin. Then I started taking Subutex, thinking it would help without the other ingredient. It just started giving me breathing problems and Vicodin wasn't involved. So, then I took Vicodin for a few days and then I got sick. Yeah, the Vicodin sped up the process I think but I know it's out of my system....haven't taken it in like 13 days or something.
Yesterday, I felt the best I have in about a week. Today I increased the dosage a little.....I'm still taking only about 0.5mg and it made me fairly sick today....guess I'm gonna go back down to what I taking.
Now, your attitude really needs working on. You don't have to be an @ss about things. No, I didn't know the pharmacology about Sub that well, but after my experiences, I do. That still doesn't explain why the Suboxone did that to me. The Subutex seems to be doing the same thing now. I think even if I hadn't taking any Vicodin and then took the Subutex, the same thing would have happened...just slower. For your info, I've hid nothing from my p-doc. You are right about one thing though....I don't think he knows what he's doing because I'm having to try to figure out what to take.....his ideas when he gives them, aren't very helpful. So, from now on stay away from my threads you troll!
Yesterday, I felt the best I have in about a week. Today I increased the dosage a little.....I'm still taking only about 0.5mg and it made me fairly sick today....guess I'm gonna go back down to what I taking.
Now, your attitude really needs working on. You don't have to be an @ss about things. No, I didn't know the pharmacology about Sub that well, but after my experiences, I do. That still doesn't explain why the Suboxone did that to me. The Subutex seems to be doing the same thing now. I think even if I hadn't taking any Vicodin and then took the Subutex, the same thing would have happened...just slower. For your info, I've hid nothing from my p-doc. You are right about one thing though....I don't think he knows what he's doing because I'm having to try to figure out what to take.....his ideas when he gives them, aren't very helpful. So, from now on stay away from my threads you troll!
Ya know what? I just called the pharmacy and the Suboxone is 25 bucks more but worth it to me. He said there may be an inactive ingredient in the crumby generic subutex that is making me sick. I didn't have anywhere near this problem with the suboxone. We'll see.
Only thing is, now I am stuck with $111.00 worth of Subutex. Yikes!
Only thing is, now I am stuck with $111.00 worth of Subutex. Yikes!
Same thing is happening to me! Long story but after much thought I decided to go on a Subutex maintenance program for my vicodin relapse issues.
I just have too much going on right now (aging ,dying parents to name a few) and the Sub helps. Except......I was on a short detox w/ Suboxone but switched to Subutex because it is cheaper.
I have had plenty of time for withdrawal so I don't know why it is making me barf so much! I can't keep anything down. This is not want I wanted. My doc told me to take more, but like you, I think I am taking too much. This morning I took 2 mgs and the same thing happened. I'm going to just drop to 1mg tomorrow which is where I wanted to stay anyway. Hope you feel better.
I just have too much going on right now (aging ,dying parents to name a few) and the Sub helps. Except......I was on a short detox w/ Suboxone but switched to Subutex because it is cheaper.
I have had plenty of time for withdrawal so I don't know why it is making me barf so much! I can't keep anything down. This is not want I wanted. My doc told me to take more, but like you, I think I am taking too much. This morning I took 2 mgs and the same thing happened. I'm going to just drop to 1mg tomorrow which is where I wanted to stay anyway. Hope you feel better.
I'm doing so so right now. Lowered the dosage to 1mg a day. I'm sure that won't be enough and the same thing will happen again.....sigh. For those of you who missed it.....a certified psychiatrist it prescribing it to me.
I don't think I'm taking a large dose of it. I have lots of experience with Vicodin and a little with Benzo's. I haven't had that many Benzo's though...it's just the w/d's with that one was worst than Vics IMO.
I don't think I'm taking a large dose of it. I have lots of experience with Vicodin and a little with Benzo's. I haven't had that many Benzo's though...it's just the w/d's with that one was worst than Vics IMO.
He's taking too much, that's what I know to be true...hope he checks in with some good news!!
Do you work in the medical field? Please know I mean no harm in asking - just curious.
It may well be, But it wasn't meant to be. I can't make that up either.
Read the literature from Reckitt &Benckiser Pharmacuticals inc. Prescription use of this product is limited under the Drug Addiction Treatment Act.
It was never intended for use as a painkiller. And at first it could not be used for anything else. Things change however, don't they.
Read the literature from Reckitt &Benckiser Pharmacuticals inc. Prescription use of this product is limited under the Drug Addiction Treatment Act.
It was never intended for use as a painkiller. And at first it could not be used for anything else. Things change however, don't they.
BuTrans patches come in 35, 52.5 and 70 mcg. Big difference from a 2mg suboxone or subtex pill.
And it will still lead to the same end.
And it will still lead to the same end.
Yea I heard that. Guess they are trying to be like lawyers, Getting a habitual crimminal off so they can defend them again, except it's treating there patients in a way that they will have to treat them again.
I should have said Suboxone or subtex, that was the Buprenorphine formulation and strength literature I was referring to.
I should have said Suboxone or subtex, that was the Buprenorphine formulation and strength literature I was referring to.
Buprenorphine is indeed administered for pain relief in a controlled environment. In it's transdermal form it is prescribed under the name BuTrans.
Also,there is a group of medical professionals who are embracing the use of opiates in depression and this is well documented in the literature.
Also,there is a group of medical professionals who are embracing the use of opiates in depression and this is well documented in the literature.
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