Please help

[ladymp72]

I cannot stop! I think it is impossible, I drink about 10oz of cough syrup every day (this equals around 60 vikes per day) I want out of this I know I am probably going to arrested for script fruad for calling them in-so in a way I am looking at it like why stop now I am already in trouble, so I keep calling them in. It is like I want to get caught just to get out of this hellish cycle. I have 2 beautiful children that I raise on my own and I know if I go to jail it will be their demise they would be devastated. My daughter (she's 9) Is willing to stay with me the next couple of days to get me through the worst parts but what kind of mom would that make me? Please help I can't go to inpatient again cuz there is no one to watch my kids my family thinks it is  waste since I have tried to stop so many times. Thanks,Ladymp72

[ceriedwen5]

yesperscription fraud,i was oing it too.im already in trouble with the dos too.but im trying to get out of this hell too.i emphasize with you.sincerly berta

[ladymp72]

I know it makes it much harder to quit when you just make one call and then you have what you need. They need to make it harder for people to do that like maybe fax over a script to the pharmacy once it has been phoned in you know?

[Ketta]

GOT HELP? Hey folks, if you can't get out of the house because you're in w/d or just jonesn' or need help... but may be scared to get to a F2F meeting. egna.org is a real NA meeting, and has helped me stay clean from HUGE hydro habit 2+months. YOu can do it. there's a marathon meeting this weekend. check it out. it's more real time than this board. K.

[ceriedwen5]

thank you lady,where is the marathon help? if you woud write to e lady,i would like it,,,i need as many people as i can get to write to me,please you all my address is ***@****,i gotta talk with people who understand,the forum is great but i think its more personal on a one to one ,,,,please write.love berta

[Ketta]

see your email for the addy and info. K.

[squirrel1970]

send me an email to "toxic_obsidian***@****" i will try to help and I have some questions for you. thanks and best of luck

[hippy]

hey there, lighten up.
your in the right place.
keep posting and asking questions.
get a beginning, start to make small changes.
that is the essence of recovery  -CHANGE
begin by taking less.
look into the thomas recipe.
life will get better.
we help ourselves by helping others.
like i said in small ways.
take baby steps.
live for today, make small changes today.
today is the only day we can ever change.
i used to always say i was going to change tommorow
but tommorrow never comes. or it came and went.
today is the answer. what can we do today
to move in a more positive direction.

peace!!!!!!!!!!!hippy

[mystere]

Thank-God I have found this web-sight--I finally feel like I am not alone in this horrendous battle with hydrocodone!  There seems to be a lot of caring people here!  I will post again soon
Thank You

[Esmith28]

Plkease do post back, you will find alot of great support and love and friendship and some advice...whatis your back ground...sorry if you already posted it I just saw the last one...
Blessings to you

[msunderstood]

You have to stop!!   Tell yourself you will because you want to be around to raise yr  children.  If you havent gotten caught yet, then go to an emergemcy room and tell them to give you a medical detox, it will help with the symtoms.  Know that you can get thru it, I withdrew off hydros at disneyworld alone with 2 kids and i was taking the same amount I ran out, thought i cud get more, and i cudnt, so there i was on vacation, cold turkey, and I did it, I was sick, but I got through it. There are many of us out here that have been in the same position, choose living dont choose jail or dying, because thats letting the drug get the better of you.  There are places to go to get help,  dig down deep into your soul and find the strength to do what you know is right for you and your children.  I am not preaching, just another suffering person who keeps fighting to stay off pills......

[Sturgil]

Nobody can make you stop. It must be your choice. When the pain gets bad enough, or you get caught, you will want what it bad enough and will go to any length to get CLEAN. I was at the same level as you. I am on day 101 clean. I feel great! No cravings, or desire to escape life. Remember drugs are only 10% of the problem I am 90%. When you have had enough pain it is easy to stop and stay stopped.

I did go to detox for one week. If you can do it I would run to the nearest one. Get a plan and stick to it. You can NOT do it alone. Find a detox, 12 step group and a good church.

Today I hear the birds sing, I see the blue sky and most of all God is doing for me what I can not do for myself. The people here will help you and give you experience, strength and hope. We all know what you are going through, we have done it as well.

At the detox they can help ease your WD's and give you the tools needed to make this thing STICK. God's Speed.


- Sturgil Flockin

[mystere]

thank you so much for replying. I've been taken hydro's 10/400 approx 12-15 per day off and on for several years.  I am so sick of this merry go round--My whole existence revolves around how many pills do I have? How do I get More? Will they last until the next refill.  Absolute insanity!  I don't understand why I can't control it?  I detoxed in Dec using the Thomas recipe and made it 30 days until I relapsed. Now I'm facing another detox and I'm frightened.  This forum is my only lifeline.  How do you learn to live your life without those pills.  Please excuse me I know I'm rambling but I took my last pill 3:30 yesterday and just waiting for the withdrawals to hit.  Thanks to everyone

[Esmith28]

I know exactly what your saying I have been on this roller coaster for about 3 years or more but the last 6 months has been when it was a REALaddiction...before I would make 30 pills last almost 2 weeks and I could go a few weeks before thinking I might get more.I started taking them for my back ( I have degenerative dics disase, a buldging disc and a hernaited disc in my lower back...January my  back doctor's PA called and sai I had broken my medicine contract with them, that I had gotten medicine from another docotor without telling them and so they would no longer be treatingme, then my reg doctor (who had referredme ot he back doc) stopped treating me alltogether b/c of the ******* PA had convinced him I was just an addict wanting pills and was abusing them. So I lost both doctors all at once, now the back doctor I hate anyway s no bog thing, but my MD I LOVED and cried fo weeks over that, anway that is when I went into forced WD's and it was hell...when I went three weeks later to get my epideral that doc gave me my hudro 10/650 (30) with two refills...when tose ran out I went to a urgent care and that guy gave me vic7.5 with 4 refills....long story's point is that those are alot less strong that my hydr 10's so I have been taking three at a time, so they run out like in four days....so now I am on my last refill, I picked them up this am. And I am back in my situaton going to run out and have to fgure out how to get more OR wean myselkf slowly so I wont have WD so bad...it sucks...because I am just putting off the reality that I NEED t be pill free. I will tell you this place hlped me sooo much. Praying helped me so much too, but th happiest time in my whole life, my most productive and y most spiritual and when I had the BEST friends wa when I was in AA for 5 years. That was my greatest success in my whole life, but now I have a hard time going back becaus I keep relapsing, so I havea hard time going, but it is sooo great. I am here for you , everyone is...
Sorry so long...

[Kitty46]

Hippe is right on target. You also can get good advice from ivillage sustance abuse board. One hour at a time!! I was in your spot not to long ago. Jail is no fun. & they would make you detox any way.  If you start now, the court system has a lot more compassion for you. Besides you do not want to lose your kids, right?  Detoxing in a facility is the best way, but if that is not possible, do it at home. It is much easier & healthier doing it at home rather than jail. You can still be near your kids & have some comfort. I am not recommending it but I did it at home. Basically cold turkey. I am glad I did. Prayers for you.

[Esmith28]

Not sure if you read this post Lady or not so I reposted it up here...you had your same post under two questions ( you got both ?'s of the day and they were the same question...here was my two cents...do you read the responses? I have not see you respond to anyone...

Sweetie, I know this is the worse time in your addiction, but at this point you are either willing to do whatever it takes or your going to take the ultimate hell..death, jail or getting sober..only he last choice turns into heaven...If you love those kids like I believe you do you will, go to ALL pharmacy's and tell them you have a problem and ask them to NEVER give you meds...and then you need to buckle up and start going to a 12 step program, I am telling you , you will have so many new friends that will end up being your family, you will know peace and will learn to love life, and e the best person you can be..
I hope you will take the steps to get off this terrible roller coaster that is oing to destroy you and your kids...
Elizabeth

[ceriedwen5]

hello lady,i found the ednagroup.thank you soooooooo much,and please email me.
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[ceriedwen5]

im berta,im also progressing with my opiate use.I can not get out of my bed unless i take 3 vikes first,im sick of this...i am on a waiting list for 28day rhabi went to 2 hospitals asking for admittance and detox,they told me to go home and buy motrin,and ill be okay,so i went and got more pills,i was taking about 15 a day,now they are harder for me to getboth my doctors talked and stop giving me them. I too am not funtioning without the vicodin,not very well anyways.im getting broke buying themmy kids feel angry because they think want to be i my bed all day,i have lost every interest i had.my b/f 5 years together is hnging on by a sring,says im not the same anymore,i dont blame him.he does kno im trying to et helpif i had allot of money or insuance a private rehab would tae me today,,,,,im poor.i have been thinking about methadone treatments for the craves,but everything i hear is negative about it. i guess its cold turkey and all of you.please help.
berta

[ceriedwen5]

hello and good morning,ealier on one of the post,someone said something about the thomas detox recipe or thompson detox,im not sre ,does ayne know anything about i?
thanks berta

[freezing]

has any of the advise we've given you sounded appealing?  if not, why not any of them?  if so, which one(s)?

[ceriedwen5]

Can anyone tell me what th tompson detox might be? i heard that it is a recipe for withdrawls,nyone know what it is?
berta

[RobynBanks]

Thomas:Thomas Detox Recipe

PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (immodium) (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium (immodium) aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.
GOOD LUCK WITH THE DETOX, and keep us posted!!

Personally I dont have time for baths/showers & prefer to take a low dose of valium and T3s to wean (after an initial wean of the Percocets)
Make yourself get up and out to do errands, clean house...pass the time by keeping busy or you just lie around thinking and thinking, feeling sorry for yourself and depressed(eventually rationalizing..."justa few pills to take the edge off"). Movies are good too if you have the time (mental escape)

[justmaggie]

My friend is weaning off of oxycontin with some clinical help but we are doing this at home.
we are wondering just how long the process takes, what are the withdrawal expectatioins and affects.

what will he go through as far as body process ie... sweats, cold and flue type affects, muscle cramps, stomache problems and so on.

he has now been off for 51 hours and how long will it take till he is drug free and not feel the withdrawal affects? he was taking 10 mlg twice a day or one 10 mlg with an Oxy IR in the evening.


he is on cloidine patch and diazepan to help but what should he expect as withdrawal effects.
KILO*****************************************
have read a lot of your post and you seem to know quite a lot about this all.... my friend is coming off oxy by his choice and reduced himself down to 20 mg a day from 320 mg a day almost a year ago..... however he does have RSD and there must stay on his nueronton.... will this affect his side effects fromt he withdrawal?

what is the normal time frame for the physical withdrawals signs to disapate? he is on clondine and diazophan to help with the withdrawal but is experiences the runs and a bad headache.....

can he take asprin and imodine safely?
thanks for any help you can give us.....