Prescription drug abuse

I think a friend of mine might be addicted to prescription drugs. How can I confront him with my concerns without ticking him off. What if I am wrong? Can anyone tell me what signs to look for to make sure?

[sabian]

In past times, when I was clean and working a program, I always tried to avoid "accusing" someone, whether a friend or an acquaintance, of using.  I would approach a friend and "suggest" how much better life had gotten for me since I had quit using.  Many times, I would even remind them of just how screwy my life was while I was using. I found that this would open the door for them to come clean with me about their possible problem.  I never did any friendly "interventions"; I found that these would usually cease all communication with my friend.  Hell, just tell them how much you love them and just how quickly their life can go from casual using to a living hell.  There's really no easy way; just kind of go with your gut feeling.

[Esmith28]

What signs tell you that there mightbe a problem? What makes you think this..I can tell you when I knew I had a problem...I took meds even when I was not in pain anymore. I took more than prescribed to get the buzz. I was worried about my next Rx and how I didnt like being withoutit. And then when I was refused anymore and freaked out physically and mentally, then I knew I had a problem. Mine started out because I have chronic pain (degenerative disc disease)....Good luck...

[IThinkICan]

My first post...I sit here, 36 hours from my last Lortab never in a million years thinking I would be posting on an addiction board. Started the same as most, legitimate pain, nerve damage. Took 1 .5 Lortab for 2 years and was fine with that. All of a sudden 2 made me feel a lot damn better, then 3, then 4. And so began my vicious cycle.
Why quit 'this' time? I ran out early, as always, but this time I want so badly to stop this. I tell myself when I have 3 or 4 tabs in me, "Why do you do this? It doesn't even make you feel much better"  I want to be happy because I am happy, I want to laugh and hold my head to the sun and dance like I used to. I am tired of a chemical 'high' that isn't even a high anymore.
You know what I did today? Called my doc, told him my meds had been stolen from my car, did he 'believe' me? Of course not. Today has been a day of extremes, extreme lows "I can't do this, I am so sad, What in the hell am I thinking? ohpleasenexttimeiwilltakethemlikeiamsupposeto" to extreme highs, "I can do this! Soon, I will feel better, Soon I will wake up happy like I used to and not have to wait until that first tab hits my system.
I have cried all day, I haven't really felt that 'physically bad' Last night I had the leg/arm creepy thing going on. A little diareaha, but mostly just so damn sad. I did get the Thomas Detox items, but already take B vitamins and zinc,etc. Just bought the L-Tyrosine. Did it help? I don't know because I don't know how it would have felt without it. The main thing I want is to follow through. I don't want this to be my only post because tomorrow I will 'find' some Lortab. I want to be "ME" again. I need to be "ME" again. Help me please.

IThinkICan

[vettezr1]

Damn I can not belive the pain and suffering this **** causes so many of you, I got hooked becuase of chronic pain and felt sorry for myself but some of you seem to be hurting far more than I think I am. I came here for a little support and info but some of your stories kill me. I have no craving for this **** and the more I read the more I am determined to never take it again.

Some of the guys here were like me many operations to rebuild stupid things we did. You know guy stuff. And we became dependant but not adictted. Yes I went through hell and got sick and wanted to die but it is passing I am gaining strength every day. I thank God I do not have the craving you guys speak of
the thought of taking it makes me sick now. So I dont know what to say but hang in there, There are a lot of very cool and helpful people here. I am not big into praying but I will give it a shot for you guys, just dont think I am a wuss just hate to see you suffer.

[Jerri2]

It does get better minute by minute then hour by hour then day by day!!Just hang on I promise youll look back and say I KNOW I CAN cause youll be done with the bodyaches and not have as many cravings.Try to get some exercise in if only short walks,drink lots,and make sure you eat!!!Make sure you take vitamins too!!I dont know about the energy ones they make me shake so I cant take em!But welcome and I'll be praying for you..I know theres alot more I should be saying but the brain doesnt kick in as fast as it used too!!!      Jerri                              I forgot lots of hot bathes!Read or watch a movie,anything to keep your mind off of what your going through!!!

[cannedheels]

I'm just on the edge of addiction ...I think. I've been managing to stop myself from increasing. They are prescibed for my   back pain and other various aches etc.

Five years ago, after a surgury,(with the perc. in my system) while walking my dogs, I came to realize that in my entire miserable, rotten ,lonely life .....that HEY, I FEEL HAPPY.I don't know...maybe it wasn't happy but, I felt better than I could EVER remember feeling. It was like my attitude towards people changed from finding them annoying to actually enjoying a chat with a stranger. I remember SMILING......ME! Well,that seems like 10 years ago .....that euphoria has long been gone. I wish someone could make a pill that gives that feeling but it wouldn't be habit forming.  

When I take one now, I don't feel much,  if anything at all.I wish I could take the pills. I don't enjoy my life. The pills are magical..... for a little while.

  This past summer I began dating a man who as it turned out....is addicted to percs .( I think.) He had no sex drive, was always sick with a cold or the flu , or took a bad fall, would cancel our plans  last minute. I think he wasn't able to have relationship with me because of the monkey on his back. I doubt he'd admit he's addicted. I'm hearbroken. Does this sound  right? Is  it likely that he wasn't able to be with me because of the pills?

[blondie129]

sorry to break the thread...but does anyone know if the L-Tyrosine will work without the b-6?

[theGolden1]

They do make a pill that causes happiness. It's called prozac.
It's been around a long time. Depression is the most "untreated" undiagnoed illness in our society. If you do a search on prozac, they have a little check list for depression. Alot of people use painpills as antidepressants. Check this out .... it could be a wonderful life .. Goldie

[sharonver]

Agreed.... Let it go and lets help some people here...
We should use all of our energy helping others and ourself.
We appreciate ALL posts that are trying to be helpful...

Sharon

[minime]

What happened to me here could easily happen to you.  Thomas first insulted me when I was trying to help Freezing.  He apparently cannot tolerate someone knowing more than him about a subject.  I have watched him scare people off this board for a long, long time.

I was helping someone, and he came up insulting me - do I not have the right to defend myself to the Great Thomas?  He has no life and spends an unreal amount of time here telling everyone what he knows about the subject of addiction.  Then when someone else with an opinion comes along, he throws them a dig.  Since he's the one here all the time, people jump to his defense.  It's sickening, and it has scared off a lot of good people.

Thomas you are obviously a "dry" addict...filled with anger toward the world for your lot in life.  Do yourself a favor, and just jump off a bridge and get it over with.

[momonhydros]

hi everyone havent posted lately, just been reading everyones post. cannedheels i can totally relate to the way you feel the hydros gave me that feel good feeling also about people and life that i never felt before, but now that feelings gone after using for 3 years. and i feel numb and miserable again. i also suffer from depression and panic attacks not to many antidepessents seem to work either. i dont know what to tell you about your boyfriend seems maybe his drugging has takin over his life also, you know the pills come before anything else when your addicted.anyways hang in there your not the only one with this shitty addiction. good luck!

[vettezr1]

Hey guys I am very new here and I am thankfull to all of you, it gave me an outlet I trully needed and it helped a lot.
minime I don't know you or Thomas but guys aren't we here to help each other. Thomas you were one of the firsts to asnswear my post and I thank you, minime I thank you as well.
Email and post are very hard to determin someones intent, my sense of humor has often been mistaken for an insult when I meant none. minime I hope you don't let this upset you just a thought,, not an attack, but maybe you over read thomas, YES I did not read all your posts and don't know everything but at this point I do not think I would have made it if someone wanted to pick a fight with me (not saying you or thomas did that)
But it would be ashame if you let it effect you. There seems to be an overwheling amount of pain here nothing in my small world prepared me for ,so my heart goes out to you all.

[FINISHED!!]

Read my post below...It's REALLY tiresome watching this & that's one reason I spend very little time here anymore. The bickering is uninteresting to me. JUST LET IT GO!!!! For the sake of others, swallow your pride & drop it.

FINISHED!!

[cannedheels]

Goldie, thank you for responding to me.I have been on practically every antidepressant (over the last 18 years along with serious therapy)......currently Lexapro and Wellbutrin,it's true that some people simply do not respond well to these medications.

But, I'm torturing myself over this man, a man who I would do anything for because I love him so much......but, the last time he asked me for pills I told him I didn't have them and I know he didn't believe me because he has stopped talking to me. And ignores me when he sees me.

[percsnomas]

I guess this was addressed to me also, being a Thomas butt kisser and all.
Hell, I would have paid anything, walked on coals, poked myself in both eyes with pins...........so to be deemed a butt kisser of one of the people instrumental to me getting and staying clean(now 7 months) of percs, something i never thought possible.....oh well!!

Bottom line: We can't afford to use up valuable thread space on this diminishing return exchange.  Loads of newbies/and others need help and advice.

Regards,
percs

[sharonver]

Well said percs!!  We all have gotten so much needed help from Thomas and we appreciate him more then he will ever know!!

Sharon

[Thomas03]

Oh, minime, or should I call you Mariposa, despite yourself, I want you to know that I do feel the love! And my butt does love to be kissed. In fact, here comes one now -- smootch! oooo that was a good one!

signed,

His Emperial Junkieness, The O So Great Thomas

[Thomas03]

I almost forgot to thank you for wishing suicide on me. You're a true humanitarian, no?

Thomas

[minime]

If you only knew...yes I'm a humanitarian when dealing with a human.  You seem like only a shell of a human - a hard shell filled with only your opinion, self loathing and a cynical, cold outlook toward the world.  If I wasn't so sick of you, I'd probably feel sorry for you...now I just wish you'd go away...and your welcome - I meant it.

[dancinginthedark]

Why would you waste so much time and energy corresponding with someone you find as loathsome as Thomas?

When you go back & read through your own vituperative messages towards someone who actually contributes to this board, you will read the pathetic, hysterical rantings of a child tangled in a web of unfounded fury.

Could the drug you are using possibly be contributing to this?

Take some time to cool off and then come back.  We're all here for you but I am shocked at the tone of your messages.  Go & jump off a bridge?  Take some time - please.

Dancing in the Dark

[Bink]

Okay, here it is.  I've been tapering from Oxycontin & percs for about 6 weeks (with several Big dose blow-its).  It's been 5 days since I've had any oxy.  The two days before that was only ONE 10mg. perc each day.  This is my Day 5 w/o. or Day 7 including the two days I did 10 mg.   BUT....I was assuming that I could take hydro 7.5 4 to 6 times per day to make the wd's bearable.  That it did!  But my question is this:  Is it prolonging the addiction to the oxy, or is Hydro enough different that I can quit before becoming addicted to it too.  This is my WORST DAY SO FAR!!!  I have not had anything except 1 7.5 hydro yesterday morning.  I can get more --- WANT more cuz I'm MISERABLE!!!  Do you think that my taking the hydro has prolonged the oxy withdrawals???  I was quitting the hydro before becoming addicted to it.  I was also experiencing wd's the whole time since going off the oxy.  What in the HELL is happenening to me?  This is my Day 5 from NO oxy!  Shouldn't I be better now?  Will I screw myself up by taking more of the Lortab?  I have an appt. to meet someone to get more in about 1 hour!!!!  Please help me!  SOS!  Don't fight with each other!!!  I need help, Thomas, Mini, ANYONE please help me FAST!!!!  It's 5:30 MST now!

[Kat49]

A shell of a human you say?  Someone who has helped countless people and inspired so many?  Psycho-******* like you belong in Anger Management Therapy hooked up to a Thorazine drip to keep them quiet!  By the way, Home Depot is running a sale on duct tape so we can seal off our windows in case of an attack  --- you might want to get a few rolls and use it on your mouth!

[mrmichael67]

Basically, you are addicted to opium....to a certain degree.  Both hydrocodone and oxycodone will relieve your withdrawal symptoms.  If you are taking hydro, you might as well be taking oxy.  Of course you would feel better taking hydro four times a day.  Hydrocodone is an opiate agonist, just like oxycodone, or morphine and so on.  The only way to truly get the withdrawals over with is to just do it without either.  Taking hydro is just substituting one for the other.  Any opioid agonist will make you feel better.  That is what cross-tolerance basically is.  If have a tolerance for one, then you have a tolerance (to some degree) to the other agonist.  And, vice-versa.

[Sugarbeens]

First, I am not sure why mimi is upset with Thomas, I did not read that far above, but, I will tell you that there is not a better person(addict that he is) who has not tried to help each and everyone on this board.  Thomas has suffered through withdrawals and had seizures that almost killed him, but, he is still right back here, trying to save us, or lives.  And to ask him to jump off a bridge, how inhumane.  I am sorry to say this, because I do feel your pain too mimi, and I know that you must be huring real bad inside because of your addiction, but Thomas does not think he is better than anyone else, and he doens't think he knows it all.  What he does know, he shares, in hopes I believe that if he can help one person not make the same mistakes with drugs like he has, it will be worth it.  Don't you see the true caring, empathy and compassion in his words. Many of us here see nothing but that. Yes, Thomas says he has been abusing for 30 years, but, like all of us who have abused, I know he wants to stop.  I know the last time I talked to him here, he was 3 weeks clean, but, still wanting to get high!  I hope Thomas you are still hanging in there, but, if not, I still love you, and you are still a wonderful man.  Suicide is what we all are afraid of at times, when going through withdrawal, when hitting rock bottome.  We want to live, have a life, feel joy again, and to have someone tell the most needed person on the forum to do that, I have to only hope and believe that you are in severe pain.  But, we are still here for you, and even though I know Thomas is hurting by what you said, I truly believe he will reach out to you if you will let him.  Maybe it is your fear of what he says to be the truth that frightens you and you get defensive.  Whatever it is, open up your heart a little and let him in.  He can save your life, he did mine a few weeks ago.  I took zanax for only two weeks and at the percribed dose, but, when stopping this short acting benzo I thought I was dying and almost went to the emergency room with such awful pains of anxiety in my chest.  I lost 10 lbs(thanks Thomas I wanted to lose that weight) in one week, couldn't eat and each day I came here and Thomas talked to me and told me it would get easier everday.  That the panic and severe fear I was feeling was just the withdrawal, not that I was going crazy or dying.  Bless you Thomas.  Love to all here, you to MIMI
Love Sugarbeens

[sabian]

I've been checking this board out for many, many years. Like most of you guys posting here, I'm an old opiate junkie just trying to survive each day; sometimes I'm clean, and other times I'm hustling oxies to feed my miserable habit.  Right now I am clean; one week of withdrawals.  I'm O.K. today, as long as I don't give in to the gorilla.  I do know that Thomas has been fighting addiction for as long as myself, if not longer.  Personally, I hope he doesn't check out on us.  I don't think people posting here "worship" him, as earlier posts by someone reflect.  I have gotten many inspirational posts from him, as well as some of you other guys.  And Thomas, I don't mean to talk about you in my post, except to encourage you to keep posting, as I know you will.  I remember way back when, a time when you were anticipating trying to de-tox with a new drug, bupronex, I believe.  From one ole opiate lover to another, "This ain't your first rodeo to ride in," and, like myself, I'm sure it ain't your last!  Some people wear their feelings on their shoulders, and when junkies try to express themselves, it's a wonder all of us don't cuss and fight more often.  Stay clean and stay from the big green 80!!!

[Bink]

Well, THANK YOU Mr. Michael for your response.  I should have known the first time that I get desperate for responses, there would be a fight going on.  I initially was going to ask Thomas, cuz of all the experience, but it seems he's busy getting his butt reamed.  I left (except occasionally) this board because of all the **** like this.  Seems like Ladymp or someone was on FINISHED's case the last time I looked in.  GEEZE!  Please people!  Sometimes people just need help from as MANY SOURCES AS POSSIBLE.  They are ALL valuable and unique--just as you and I all are.    Even I am feeling  bitchy because I AM IN WD's RIGHT NOW!!!  Please reach out and touch those who need YOUR HELP!!!  Love, Love, Love!   Thanks

[tobie]

I am going to interrupt all this fighting thats going on around here and talk about something that really needs addressed rather than all the he said she said ****.Anyway I am one of the "newbies" that is in desperate need of some help,I have been posting on another thread for the past couple of days and you people are wonderful,you have already helped me tremendously!!!For those of you who have'nt read my other posts I'll briefly catch you up.The "pill demon" took over my life a year ago and now I want it back....sooooo bad!!!I am currently taking 15 to 25 lortab 10's a day.I have detoxed twice but failed horribly.I am planning on trying agian in 2 weeks when I have 5 free days but I am so worried that I will fail agian.I am so miserable with my life,I can't do anything b/c of damn pills that don't do anything for me anymore,I was thinking today and even to go on a vacation I have to plan it around pills that sucks.My husband is in the same boat as me but he is way stronger than me.This just all seems hopeless.I want me back soooo  bad how do I do It?Will the craving ever go away?Will I ever get to the point where I don't want pills?Seems so far away.Someone please help me give me advice.I really don't know what I want from everyone here maybe someone to relate to, someone to talk to, someone who understands this hell I'm living in.Sorry I butted in and made it so long but I am on the verge of going crazy I think.Thanks to everyone,I love you all and wish you nothing but the best!!!

[Esmith28]

MInime...Cant even believe you wrote that about ANYONE..telling them to die..your the problem here and you need to stay away of your going to act like that...Anger managment would be nice. Usually when someone seems like they have alot of knowledge and help others more than we can..we seem to get aggravted with them (it is called jealousy)

BINK...
Listen...you might want to buckle up because it will get real hard in these days..seemed for m the worse was my psychological part wasa totre around day 12 13 14...I as ging out of my freakin mind. I just had to stay busy, pray and try to be grateful and stay focused...hang tight sweetie!!

[oxic]

This is quite an old gig!!
Seems Groovy, that changed her name to Mariposa, and subsequently banned here waaaayyyyyy back, has in fact reinvented herself(yet again) this time as minime.
Should have recognized that volatile temper (bup. induced i'm sure), and caustic attitude a long time ago.

urghh!

percs

[minime]

I'm definitely not angry anymore...haha...this has gotten funny with everyone stating St. Thomas' virtues...pulease!

[mrmichael67]

Feel free to ask anytime.  I have more experience than I wish I had.  I have done a ton of research on opiates and opioids.  I hope I was able to help you in some way.

[FINISHED!!]

Minime...Why wont you drop it? You have accomplished absolutely nothing with the continued lashing & insults. I don't agree with the "ganging up" on minime that's occurring here but I STRONGLY disagree with your comments to Thomas regarding him killing himself. Be it seriously said or not...it was uncalled for & quite frankly...childish. You DO have some of an old member's qualities named Mariposa & they are NOT qualities to be proud of. I've tried to advise you on how to handle these attacks & you've obviously chose to ignore that advice...which is fine. That's the beauty of choice & freedom. But you have contributed to turning this forum into a wrestling ring (not alone) & many people have jumped into this "fight" without need. If there is one person...only one person on this forum that's capable of handling himself it's Thomas. Please...there are many people here posting questions amongst the harsh words that may be overlooked. Please drop this. Pride is a wonderful quality but there IS such a thing as TOO MUCH pride. Swallow your pride if you're truly here to help those in need. If you're here for reasons other than to help those people or to help yourself...please leave. I don't believe that this is the case with you mini. I believe you are here to help when you can but you must stop the continuous fighting to do so.

To those defending Thomas...like I said before, I think if anybody on this forum is capable of defending himself, it's Thomas. It's great to see the outpouring of support & praise to Thomas but when you start lashing out against mini, it makes the snowball that much bigger. That does NOT mean that you shouldn't point out to mini or anybody else the things that he or she may be misinterpreting about Thomas. BUT...Calling names or lashing out in the defense of anybody accomplishes nothing. We ALL really need to focus on the HELP in medhelp.org. If something is said that we do not like, appreciate or agree with, we have the choice to scroll past that post without comment, comment with a little tact or attack the poster. I think that the most productive decision would be the first two rather than the last. This is coming from a guy who ran head-first into EVERY battle waged against him with aggression, anger & hostility just a few months ago...BUT...I've learned a LOT from the other "old-time" members here like Rex1, MrsRat, Thomas & many others. I now look at these arguments & shutter to think that this was me not long ago. Please drop this argument. It has made zero sense from the start & will make less in the end.

FINISHED!!

[minime]

You keep telling me to drop it - I only respond to the posts written to me.  Are you saying that Thomas, who started this, can say terrible things to me and everyone else (including you) can continue to bash me, but I should say nothing?

I was doing all I could do to help Freezing, when Thomas decided to insult me, so what you and everyone else is saying is that it is OK for him but not me...you, along with everyone else, has continued to help keep this thing going.  It blows my mind to see how hypocritical everyone can be.

There are a couple people here that continue to throw digs even when I'm posting to someone else trying to help them.  When they stop, so will I.

[FINISHED!!]

That post nor any other was not meant as a "dig" nor did I exclude anybody from what I was trying to convey. You're correct in the fact that I did not specifically address Thomas or anyone else by name. My entire point, starting from the first post regarding this was that I constantly see YOU in these tiffs. Not pointing any fingers at you for starting them however...and that's SINCERE. My point is this: It is up to EVERYONE involved with these arguements to take the higher road & pass on further commenting that is hurtful, aggressive or insulting. That DOES include Thomas, you, myself & everyone here. NONE is above any other here. It just seems that you take a lot of what is said as insulting or mean-spirited. My posts to you were neither of these yet you came back with this:

"Are you saying that Thomas, who started this, can say terrible things to me and everyone else (including you) can continue to bash me, but I should say nothing?"

Including me? How could you possibly interpret my words as "bashing?" And NO...I am not saying that Thomas or anybody else can say terrible things. What I'm trying to do is maybe help you to see these things from a prospective other than one of a defensive position. If you remember, you & I once had words & it was resolved because I chose to accept the fact that the bickering was leading nowhere. I read over Thomas' original post that "started" this & I don't really see why this became what it has. If Thomas or anybody else says things to you that you don't like, you have the right to retaliate if you so choose but I see nothing that will come of it other than more bickering. I see your point when you say that I have helped to keep this going but my intentions are different than most. My intention is ONLY to help you to see that NOTHING has come of this, NOTHING will come of this & maybe you should try to not take one's words as hurtful as you seem to. I apologize if you feel that I have jumped on the "minime-bashing-wagon" or I am contributing the anger you're feeling. That was never my intention. I TRULY hope you see my posts as they were intended...as helpful...not hurtful.

FINISHED!!

[BLUE501]

Hey, finnished!! Just have to say I AGREE

I haven't posted here in awhile but i am very familiar with Thomas Finnished and even you MINIMME

all i have to say is CUT IT OUT!! If you don't like the people on this board minimme than DON"T Come. No one is making you.


be safe
linda

[BLUE501]

Hey hon

Haven't spoke to you in awhile. I am so glad to hear that you are sticking to your game plan. It WILL get better. Just hang in there. No one said it's easy, if it was we would do it over and over again. ( although lots of us do anyhow!! lol)

keep me posted, my thoughts and prayeres are with you.


be safe
linda

[minime]

Butt out and F-U.

[FINISHED!!]

Well there ya go...I tried. You choose to be hostile towards everyone here that opposes you rather than just move on. So why don't you just go ahead & leave this forum? If you're so bothered by everybody here & their words, opinions or advice, why stay? To cause more problems? Your hostility is not needed & I'm sure not appreciated. To blatantly attack Blue for agreeing with me by saying "F-U" is utterly childish & uncalled for. Blue said no harsh words towards you & you should apologize for your reply...but something's telling me not to hold my breath.

FINISHED!!

[BLUE501]

i have to point out that a few months back some very special people were banned from this forum for being too religious.

i am truely suprised you would choose to keep such hostile people on a help forum, yet ban people who where a true insperation.

just my  opion

linda

[mrmichael67]

And, if that was a shot at me, you got to be kidding.  This latest thing has nothing to do with me.  I just couldn't help but comment on what finished wrote.  He hit the nail right on the head.  This IS a message board.

[Motz]

Peeps were banned for less than religion. (if that is true) "Staff" informed us/me on another site (I dare not post the URL for peeps +have+ been banned for that, selectively)

However, Robyn Banks/Mariposa/minime are beyond the pale. There are a bezillion self help books but this addict's recommendation is Aesop's fables.

These^^^^ morales are to live/die by.

The Subutex/Suboxone thread is where the silly bickering started.

There posts under that thread are C2, C5, C9-10, C42, C44, C49 (Thomas's words)

And: C7, C11, C16-17, C26, C34, C38, C40, c43, C47 (minime's words)

I will not take sides. It's easy to determine who is angry and who is not.

One didn't even have to be present the day "inferred main idea" was taught. A (literal) no brainer.

Regardless, I read/have read here on this forum a long time, long enuf to remember mariposa, groovy and now.. Robyn Banks.

Anger is part of the healing process.

So is reading x-cellent writers, such as.. most recently: Sisyphus and Dancin' in the Dark.

As for mythology, there are a few posts dedicated to the character/story of Sisyphus on another site. I dare not say where though.

Cheers. This nightly glass of vino is hardly worth the effort to pop the cork, but it's better than washing down Vikes w. Stoli.

Isn't it?

otz

[rodewc]

The morals in Aesop are keepers. If only I had taken them to heart earlier. ~~

[mrmichael67]

That is so true.  I am commenting on what you wrote about Thomas' original post and not knowing how it all came to be what it is now.  That is the way it usually happens around here.  And, it is usually the same players.  Minime tried to do it with me back when during Hellbent's banning.  I think she has definitely shown us what her MO is.  Just to remind, when all that dust cleared, and I posted to someone about something, she jumped right on and asked where Hellbent is....just for a little dig.  So, after this, I think the track record has been established.  Basically, people should just move on.  Certain people feed off of this.

[RachelHunter]

Minime, please get in touch with me.

This forum is a valuble service to addicts and chronic pain sufferers alike, and about every 6 weeks a new confrontation breaks out for many different reasons. If any of you are reading this forum as a newcomer, please do not be scared away; as addicts, many of us have egos that can be bruised quite easily, and because of that we tend to be confrontational at times.

Fingers COULD be pointed at about 5 people here who have let this new confrontation go on too long, but I say to you- DROP IT for now.

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[mrmichael67]

And, as Mariposa/Groovygirl/Rachel Hunter has just pointed out, some people keep it going.  People should just let it go.  By the way, Rachel Hunter is the name Groovygirl/Mariposa goes by.  Or, it might just be a pseudonym.  So, I thought those not in the know should be informed.

[minime]

AGAIN someone (Blue) butts in and flames ME, but yet again I cannot say anything back.  I can do this as long as you can.

[Thomas03]

You know, you're really very foolish. You get banned from Med Help for cause. You let some time go by, then you sneak back in under the handle "minime." But you just can't hide your hate, can you? This dispute between us has resulted in your exposing your true identity once again. You see, Mariposa, it's easy to spot you because there is simply no one on any addiction forum as blatantly vicious as you. I wonder: should I pity you or encourage your self-destruction?

One thing I know, your illicit presence on Med Help diminishes the forum as well as every legitimate member. I would ask you to do the decent thing and stop posting, but I know you too well. Instead, I'm going to inform Cindy at Med Help that you've returned unbidden and are posting under the handles "minime" and, of all names, "Rachael Hunter." I guess you forgot that you used the Rachael Hunter alias last time around! Fatal error, don't you think? Of course, you're free for the time being to create yet another false identity. But experience shows that you're incapable of hiding your malevolent soul for long. Truth be told, you've probably already posted under other handles. No matter. The good people that care about this forum will just have to root out your aliases one by one until you're gone.

Thomas

[Thomas03]

Wow! I'm quite the topic of conversation these days. I want to sincerely thank all those who said such gratifying things about me. What most of you don't realize is that you have all saved my life countless times simply by being my friends. It is my priviledge and salvation to offer what knowledge and experience I might have to those who suffer. Whatever my faults, my motivation for being here has and will always be true to the spirit of this forum.

I'm sorry to take so much time and realestate to resolve the groovy/mariposa/minime/rachael hunter issue. For those who don't know, she is an extremely troubled person who almost singlehandedly destroyed this forum, I think it was sometime last fall. Fortunately, we've bounced back. But it appears that the threat has returned. As per my previous post, I am now turning this problem over to Cindy at Med Help.

I apologize to our newcomers who came here for help and have been forced to wait while this war of words raged. I want them to know that their welfare is important to me and I will now concentrate on addressing every post that has up to now gone unanswered. I can't guarantee that I have the knowledge to help all of you, but I will certainly try.

Thomas

[mrmichael67]

Well, that makes two emails to her.  I emailed Cindi last night when I posted about the Rachel Hunter thing.  Enough is enough.