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Question for Dr. Steve
Dr. Steve, I am curious about your reaction to some of the posts. I accept that you didn't like our responses to Danielcc. I don't agree but I can see it became very negative. But as someone pointed out, it was a defensive posture and he was without a doubt engaging in a personal attack against a very well liked and respected member. I also see you deleted my thread on combining codeine with valium which I admit was getting a little frivilous toward the end. But it was a legitimate question and I got a useful answer and it turned out, the pain moderated and I didn't need to do it anyway. But if by "tone" you're referring to the way we "glorify" our addiction, I don't get it. I attended AA meetings several times a week for years and I heard these same kinds of stories and comments and people laughing at themselves and most were people with significant sobriety. Joking about addiction seems to me to be part of the recovery process. I remember back in the day, I went to an Elton John concert. We were all enjoying ourselves until he sang "Pretty Ballerina." Halfway through the song, a tall thin pretty girl felt compelled by whatever chemicals were coursing through her bloodstream to go into the aisle of the auditorium and perform perfect pirouettes to everyone's delight. Until the Rent A Cops converged on her and clubbed her to the floor. That's what this is feeling like. I would respectfully ask that you clarify to the board what it is you're objecting to. Most boards have guidelines as to what can and can't be posted. Maybe, that's all that's needed.
first let me suggest that when you wish to post- especially when you are in need of a more quickly response- let me suggest posting much much more closely to the top of the page- unfortuntaly, posts towards towards the bottom tend to get lost and thus overlooked- honestly, i would bet that probably at least 50%, if not not of the bottom post never ever get seen. since audience attentiton span tend to be geared toward the first few posts on a page
secondly- experience tells me that you are likelly to get a relatively rapid response to questions you might have from another another web site- that is "http://pub37.ez.board.com/bthenewaddictionmedicineforum
this site is replete with many invaluably medical source like practicing nurses, theraphists, and scads of docs of life- who have been there and done that- in addition to med help- i would honestly recommend taking a look at it.
if i had the knowlege about your question xanax specifically- i would be more than glad to help- but that is not something i know too much about- but i guarantee there are several folks there who are very knowlegebale about xanax who will be more than happy to answer any quesions you have- you will need to register first- no biggee tough-
good luck!!
secondly- experience tells me that you are likelly to get a relatively rapid response to questions you might have from another another web site- that is "http://pub37.ez.board.com/bthenewaddictionmedicineforum
this site is replete with many invaluably medical source like practicing nurses, theraphists, and scads of docs of life- who have been there and done that- in addition to med help- i would honestly recommend taking a look at it.
if i had the knowlege about your question xanax specifically- i would be more than glad to help- but that is not something i know too much about- but i guarantee there are several folks there who are very knowlegebale about xanax who will be more than happy to answer any quesions you have- you will need to register first- no biggee tough-
good luck!!
Please help!!!!!!!! My husband is down to 1mg xanax........in one week he might have to take a drug test for custody issues........these are prescribed to him but his dad will literally disown us and kick us out of our home and foreclose on us.............i need to know how long it takes for xanax not to show up on a drug test and any information about this..........is there anything we can do to help this or cover it up or whatever!!!!!!!! please respond quickly...............
I don't know how to begin to set up a forum but I am a moderator on another board...but I have only been mod for a few months...They asked me,,I had not been there from the beginning I would be willing to help just tell me what to do,,,I woul also be willing to moderate ...it takes alot to start a new board and the guy that owns the other board I go to has put tons of time and energy in the board and he does check out the peole that sign up for the forum...anyone,,let me know and I'm here...as for the reason,,,,well,,,,I was going to try and stick it out but after reading that last comment from Daniel to Thomas,,,my blood is boiling at a level right now that If I say anything I may be kicked off AOL...It's called an Italian temper....and Thomas is my friend..a very dear friend at that...for so long I have tried to be tactful on this board...I fear that now I will make myself look like a bigger ass than Dan...I am off to the docs for a recheck on my pneumonia I need some time to think ..anger doesn't really say it all right now,,,all I know is it's time..............Love to all cin
Check it out, join and post: http://pub37.ezboard.com/bthenewaddictionmedicineforum
Feel free to offer suggestions as to changes. You won't hurt my feelings.
If it's a go, I'll pay the $5 to get rid of those annoying popups.
Feel free to offer suggestions as to changes. You won't hurt my feelings.
If it's a go, I'll pay the $5 to get rid of those annoying popups.
danny boy:
congreatulations, you've manage to turn up the heat and and alienate your self from the very people that could help you to love and accept yourself. not me. i will love and care about you and there is not one dam thing you can do about it. so go ahead and turn up the heat....get it out of your system...maybe then you will be able to walk hand in hand with the rest of us, despite our differences.
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
congreatulations, you've manage to turn up the heat and and alienate your self from the very people that could help you to love and accept yourself. not me. i will love and care about you and there is not one dam thing you can do about it. so go ahead and turn up the heat....get it out of your system...maybe then you will be able to walk hand in hand with the rest of us, despite our differences.
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
hello everyone- i joined the new site that several members of this forum have started- i think we owe them our thanks for all the work and effort they have put into this- the site has a nice look and feel to it. the only reservation i have are expressed below- this is a copy of a posting i just entered there:
i think the new site looks fine and no doubt will offer a viable alternative to some other addiction sites- it will take a little time to build it up of course- but assuming that much of the "family" follows here- then oldtimers and newcomers alike will be able to find support and much needed information- i for one would like to thank you for the work and effort you are putting in this- i posted occasionally at the other addiction web site- (i refuse to use the word "lurking", as it has negative connotations) by in part i have only been a part time contributor is due to lack of access to a computer full time- that problem has now been solved- but i should say that i have been ghosting off and on for over the last year- and have grown quite fond of many participants- both past and present- my only suggestion and request at this point in time is to NOT ban anyone at the inception of this new site- sure there have been those that we have found annoying- or hurtful- but i for one will not feel comfortable banning someone because i did not like what they say- we all cannot nor will ever agree with each other 100% of the time- nor should we- diversity is of paramount importance- otherwise we will end up with the same type of canned reponses we learned to expect from dr steve-
now that being said- later, if members use inappropriate language, excessive profanity- of course there should be rules that need to be followed and banning may become appropriate- for gosh sakes- lets give everyone a chance to express themselves.
in the above posting, please understand i have no desire to alienate anyone- this is just my honest opinion- i intend to continue to learn from everyone who has helped me so much in the past- i also intend to return to this site from time to time- in hopes of learning something new.
vic
i think the new site looks fine and no doubt will offer a viable alternative to some other addiction sites- it will take a little time to build it up of course- but assuming that much of the "family" follows here- then oldtimers and newcomers alike will be able to find support and much needed information- i for one would like to thank you for the work and effort you are putting in this- i posted occasionally at the other addiction web site- (i refuse to use the word "lurking", as it has negative connotations) by in part i have only been a part time contributor is due to lack of access to a computer full time- that problem has now been solved- but i should say that i have been ghosting off and on for over the last year- and have grown quite fond of many participants- both past and present- my only suggestion and request at this point in time is to NOT ban anyone at the inception of this new site- sure there have been those that we have found annoying- or hurtful- but i for one will not feel comfortable banning someone because i did not like what they say- we all cannot nor will ever agree with each other 100% of the time- nor should we- diversity is of paramount importance- otherwise we will end up with the same type of canned reponses we learned to expect from dr steve-
now that being said- later, if members use inappropriate language, excessive profanity- of course there should be rules that need to be followed and banning may become appropriate- for gosh sakes- lets give everyone a chance to express themselves.
in the above posting, please understand i have no desire to alienate anyone- this is just my honest opinion- i intend to continue to learn from everyone who has helped me so much in the past- i also intend to return to this site from time to time- in hopes of learning something new.
vic
I agree it's time to move. I checked out the site you mentioned and I would be willing to take it on but Ruth has said she's developing a site. Does anyone know where she is re this project? There's no need for two forums. I would need lots of help...read input...from members as I'm not going to do this unless it's done right and is the way everyone wants it. Do we want rules? And moderators...Thomas??? Witchywoman??? Let's do it guys. I got lots of energy right now thanks to WD and we don't need this sh*t.
Hasn't anyone every told you the only person you can change is yourself? And you ain't changing. Get a freaking life. Preferably away from here.
About your last comment "That is unacceptable"! Who are you to judge what is acceptable or unacceptable in Thomas's life or anyone else's for that matter?
You may succeed at getting this forum shut down....that's fine. You should be so proud that your ignorance is going to take away a place that so many people turn to for help...and by help I mean from each other. We already know dr steve's answer "see an addiction specialist in your area." We rely on each other here in this forum. So if you get it shut down...give yourself a big pat on the back.....but you won't keep us down...the rest of us will stick together.We support each other....we don't judge or criticize. It's to bad that is the only way you know how to interact with people.
You may succeed at getting this forum shut down....that's fine. You should be so proud that your ignorance is going to take away a place that so many people turn to for help...and by help I mean from each other. We already know dr steve's answer "see an addiction specialist in your area." We rely on each other here in this forum. So if you get it shut down...give yourself a big pat on the back.....but you won't keep us down...the rest of us will stick together.We support each other....we don't judge or criticize. It's to bad that is the only way you know how to interact with people.
I will not respond to YOUR absolute poor attempts at insulting me! You serve a purpose! But lose your petty attempts at discrediting me and Dr. Steves worthwhile advice to addicts who need help. Like I said before. You are about one failed attempt at staying clean after another. You continue drug abuse . That is proof that you are a chronic relapser who cares nothing of working a legit program. I have been at this sight as long as you! I know your poor excuses for succeeding. But you have a right to your addiction. But your insanity will one day harm you or someone very close to you. That is unacceptable!
Be Careful,
Dan..
Be Careful,
Dan..
Slander and Harassment? Come on, Dan. They don't give methadone in the county jail, pal. Your jealousy of Thomas is a teensy bit out of control, don't you think?
You have a hell of alot of nerve. I am stunned at your stupid comments. First of all YOU said "I will not respond to YOUR absolute poor attempts at insulting me"! So what is this if it isn't a response?DUH. As far as discrediting you...you did that to yourself. I too, am one failed attempt after another at trying to stay clean. Why don't you post an insult aimed at me? I'll tell you why. You are soooo very jealous of our respect for Thomas. You make it so obvious! As far as insanity......I think you are the one that is insane. Who else would show up on a board where no one wants him around? All you do is show up in here and make a big donkey out of yourself. I don't know why you post...we don't want your advice, or your input or your insults to Thomas. Is it that hard for you to understand when you are not wanted?
One more thing....you said, and I quote "But lose your petty attempts at discrediting me and Dr. Steves worthwhile advice to addicts who need help." What worthwile advice would that be?? Did I miss it? Dr Steve gives the same canned answer to everyone....and your advice is even more worthless. I don't think much of Dr steve..but I find it amusing that you put yourself in the same catagory as him. Daniel...you are a NOBODY.
So why don't YOU lose your petty attempts at trying to make the people in this forum feel like we're something that should be wiped off the bottom of a shoe...and that you are a walking mircle. Because the truth is.....we are a close knit group of caring people and we keep trying to wipe you off the bottom of our shoe and you won't go away. I've dealt with addiction for years and years....I haven't even tried to get clean yet. I'm not "glorifying"that...just stating the truth. So why don't you respond to me......throw an insult my way. You always aim them to Thomas...that says alot about your mental facilities. Jealously can be a bad thing...perhaps there is a forum somewhere out there where you can go so you can get a grip on the jealous feelings you have toward the respect we have for Thomas. I don't think you give a rat's ass about helping us..you just come here to put down Thomas. Frankly....I'm sick of it. I'd like to see you respond to MY post. So come on Danny Boy....throw some of that so called "worthwhile advice" my way.
And if the only thing you can come up with is methadone....don't bother. Isn't that what you are addicted to now?????
One more thing....you said, and I quote "But lose your petty attempts at discrediting me and Dr. Steves worthwhile advice to addicts who need help." What worthwile advice would that be?? Did I miss it? Dr Steve gives the same canned answer to everyone....and your advice is even more worthless. I don't think much of Dr steve..but I find it amusing that you put yourself in the same catagory as him. Daniel...you are a NOBODY.
So why don't YOU lose your petty attempts at trying to make the people in this forum feel like we're something that should be wiped off the bottom of a shoe...and that you are a walking mircle. Because the truth is.....we are a close knit group of caring people and we keep trying to wipe you off the bottom of our shoe and you won't go away. I've dealt with addiction for years and years....I haven't even tried to get clean yet. I'm not "glorifying"that...just stating the truth. So why don't you respond to me......throw an insult my way. You always aim them to Thomas...that says alot about your mental facilities. Jealously can be a bad thing...perhaps there is a forum somewhere out there where you can go so you can get a grip on the jealous feelings you have toward the respect we have for Thomas. I don't think you give a rat's ass about helping us..you just come here to put down Thomas. Frankly....I'm sick of it. I'd like to see you respond to MY post. So come on Danny Boy....throw some of that so called "worthwhile advice" my way.
And if the only thing you can come up with is methadone....don't bother. Isn't that what you are addicted to now?????
I wholeheartedly agree with Frank's proposal for another site. I'd be happy to participate. I'm so disgusted with Steve (I refuse to call him "Dr") plus the frequent deletion of posts (which the admins are obviously lying to us about), that I've decided to limit my participation on this forum to occassionally posting my personal e-mail address for anyone who wants to talk to me. The lying, the threats made by a disgace to the medical profession ... are all simply too much for me.
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PS. Doc Dan, you win. Spew your hate on the forum all you want. My honest opinion of you is that you are a pathetic, sub-human piece of **** and I never want to see your posts or be reminded of your existence again. Burn in hell, *******. And have fun talking to yourself.
Thomas
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PS. Doc Dan, you win. Spew your hate on the forum all you want. My honest opinion of you is that you are a pathetic, sub-human piece of **** and I never want to see your posts or be reminded of your existence again. Burn in hell, *******. And have fun talking to yourself.
Thomas
Sorry for being late guys, I've been out of the loop. Thanks to Shotsy who sent me the post by Dr. Steve on Sunday, October 28, 2001 to Danny Boy - to wit "You are absolutely right. If the tone of this forum doesn't change, we may have to close it down."
I don't think you can come closer to a threat. While this forum helps many, Dr. Steve's deletions and brief, obiviously not labor intensive peals of wisdom clearly have a diferent objective than many of us who come here willing to call an idiot an idiot ( Danny Boy ) and to explore addictions honestly. This objective will not be commensurate with Dr. Steve's philosophy.
My suggestion is that one or a group of us consider an alternate forum. There are many ways to do this. One is to start a group on the following web site which boasts thousands of free sites:
http://www.ezboard.com/create_express.html
The problem would be one of management - you would eventually need to develop a member's site and an open site and moderators ( believe me I know, have done it and am too busy and burned out to do so again, at least at this time). However, the point being is there are alternatives and this format is far more user friendly and conducive to the kind of discusions many of us desire, IMHO.
Perhaps one of our fellow substance abusers/ recoverers who is open to a frank discussion of these matters as well as the ability to ban a negative intruder like Danny boy - (the EZ board can do this)would be willing to start up such an endeavor.
In the meantime, I've never taken well to threats, Doc.- your board or not. Anyone who wants to contact me can do so at any time at memphisblue64@hotmail.
Regards to all my board pals,
Frankie Lee
I don't think you can come closer to a threat. While this forum helps many, Dr. Steve's deletions and brief, obiviously not labor intensive peals of wisdom clearly have a diferent objective than many of us who come here willing to call an idiot an idiot ( Danny Boy ) and to explore addictions honestly. This objective will not be commensurate with Dr. Steve's philosophy.
My suggestion is that one or a group of us consider an alternate forum. There are many ways to do this. One is to start a group on the following web site which boasts thousands of free sites:
http://www.ezboard.com/create_express.html
The problem would be one of management - you would eventually need to develop a member's site and an open site and moderators ( believe me I know, have done it and am too busy and burned out to do so again, at least at this time). However, the point being is there are alternatives and this format is far more user friendly and conducive to the kind of discusions many of us desire, IMHO.
Perhaps one of our fellow substance abusers/ recoverers who is open to a frank discussion of these matters as well as the ability to ban a negative intruder like Danny boy - (the EZ board can do this)would be willing to start up such an endeavor.
In the meantime, I've never taken well to threats, Doc.- your board or not. Anyone who wants to contact me can do so at any time at memphisblue64@hotmail.
Regards to all my board pals,
Frankie Lee
I am getting a little braver each day. All of this interaction can be overwhelming for a little guy :) So I am taking baby steps.
Wow,, That post is worth gold....you certainly have a way with words..and everything you said is so true,,,,i eventuaally was looking at prison or being with my daughter,,,now i have 2 babies...prison didn't appeal to me......gotta run late for work again talk to ya later.......love cin
The only way i could get methadone would be to buy it on the street, or drive 90 miles roundtrip each morning and pay $10 a day to do it.
This isn't an option. I know a lot about methadone, and it has it's pluses and it's minuses.
Just need to find another way.
This isn't an option. I know a lot about methadone, and it has it's pluses and it's minuses.
Just need to find another way.
dannyboy:
i think it's great to see how far along you have come, with the
use of the most addictive opiate methadone. but come on, your not
advocateing the use of methadone by everyone.
keep an angle on your shoulder
kip
i think it's great to see how far along you have come, with the
use of the most addictive opiate methadone. but come on, your not
advocateing the use of methadone by everyone.
keep an angle on your shoulder
kip
A bit of information by Dan the hateful... Jenny, please consider an option to your life at this time. I am refering to opiate agonist therapy. Consider it if not for your self but for your children. This therapy is a recovery program that stops withdrawals and cravings and gives you your life back. This option is the use of methadone to treat you addiction and pain issues. Methadone is better for chronic pain and does not wreak havoc to your receptors the way short acting opiates do. A good pain/addiction specialist can offer methadone as an aternative. But many obtain their life saving medicine through their local methadone clinic. Just a thought because I can relate to the life you are living. Best of Luck.. Dan
Thank you both of you from the bottom of by broken little heart!!!
Your posts really cheered me up this morning, and I really do appreciate having you both, plus so many others on my side; i never feel so alone anymore. You all are such treasures!!!!
:)
Lv Jenny
Your posts really cheered me up this morning, and I really do appreciate having you both, plus so many others on my side; i never feel so alone anymore. You all are such treasures!!!!
:)
Lv Jenny
Hi jenny,
Jeez, as usual I have no words of wisdom, but after reading your post, ( I always read your posts) my heart goes out to you dear. You remind me a great deal of myself in some ways. As I said no words of wisdom, but I am chock full of sappy sayings, one of which is every failure is half of a success. No idea who said that, Eleanor Roosevelt or JFK probably someone like that but it's true! I know what it is like to be in financial terror and to struggle with trying to clean up. I'm sitting here tonight at the computer because I can see my front door from here, I'm waiting for some trick or treaters, so far not a single kid. I'll have to eat all this chocolate myself. I am also praying for my son, who is 23 that he will come home safe and sound after whatever party he will no doubt stay out all night at. He was my primary reason for cleaning up. I had a hell of a time, I was working in a hospital pharmacy of all places when I decided to. Well, it was kind of decided for me actually. But I knew if I went to prison or died, he possibly could have been sent to be raised by his father. I left his dad when he was 18 months old when I could no longer stand being around the drugs, alcohol and guns. It was mostly the guns that did it as obviously I continued to use on my own when I was outta there. Everyone kept telling me that staying clean wouldn't mean a thing and that it wouldn't work if I didn't do it for myself. I beg to differ,it did come in time. I couldn't do it for myself to begin with. I felt so unworthy and incredibly blessed at the same time to be the mom of this boy. His father died six years ago as a direct result of his using, T. was 16 at the time so my worst fear did not come true but it was still awful for him to lose his dad that way. Whoever you do it for Jenny, your darlings or yourself, keep trying. I admire your tenacity for keeping at it and sharing your life, the good, the bad, the messy with us. Hang in there. IR.
Jeez, as usual I have no words of wisdom, but after reading your post, ( I always read your posts) my heart goes out to you dear. You remind me a great deal of myself in some ways. As I said no words of wisdom, but I am chock full of sappy sayings, one of which is every failure is half of a success. No idea who said that, Eleanor Roosevelt or JFK probably someone like that but it's true! I know what it is like to be in financial terror and to struggle with trying to clean up. I'm sitting here tonight at the computer because I can see my front door from here, I'm waiting for some trick or treaters, so far not a single kid. I'll have to eat all this chocolate myself. I am also praying for my son, who is 23 that he will come home safe and sound after whatever party he will no doubt stay out all night at. He was my primary reason for cleaning up. I had a hell of a time, I was working in a hospital pharmacy of all places when I decided to. Well, it was kind of decided for me actually. But I knew if I went to prison or died, he possibly could have been sent to be raised by his father. I left his dad when he was 18 months old when I could no longer stand being around the drugs, alcohol and guns. It was mostly the guns that did it as obviously I continued to use on my own when I was outta there. Everyone kept telling me that staying clean wouldn't mean a thing and that it wouldn't work if I didn't do it for myself. I beg to differ,it did come in time. I couldn't do it for myself to begin with. I felt so unworthy and incredibly blessed at the same time to be the mom of this boy. His father died six years ago as a direct result of his using, T. was 16 at the time so my worst fear did not come true but it was still awful for him to lose his dad that way. Whoever you do it for Jenny, your darlings or yourself, keep trying. I admire your tenacity for keeping at it and sharing your life, the good, the bad, the messy with us. Hang in there. IR.
Jen, God I feel for you,,,,I don't even know what to say to you...I have no words of wisdom, but I am here to listen sometimes that helps even more...if you need to call me I'm here,,,I do know what you mean about your daughter,,mine tells me that all the time,,,,it is on her mind alot since my mom died,,,reality has hit her....i just try to comfort her and tell her I'll be here for her no matter what....she is afraid of teh war,, the anthrax everything,,,,and there is no shielding her from that sometimes as hard as I try she hears the news,,she is almost 8 and can read the newspaper now,,,she is past dr. seuss...oh the joys of motherhood, wifehood and life huh? hang in there and have a safe halloween love cin
I seem to be going into withdrawals quicker and quicker lately. I try to stay at the same dose, but it is latest less and less time, and i hardly feel the same dose anymore! This is adding to my already high anxiety level. I can't take more because i'll run out too soon. It's bad enough that my husband can't control himself, leaving him short about 7-days this time around. Next week's gonna be a real 'fun' week let me tell you!!! He already begs me constantly for more more more than his regular dose. Even at his regular dose, he's gonna run out this time. I'm sitting here in withdrawal already, but have to make it til 5 pm tonight. This sucks!!!!
The part that hurts the worse is waking up in the morning. I just wake up so out of it and in withdrawal. I used to look at the day upon waking in such a different way. I can't even enjoy my kids to the fullest anymore.
Plus, my husband is so very very very miserable at his job, he absoluately HATES it with a passion. Plus, it is very very hard on him physically. We have about 5 resumes out there floating around right now. He had one call yesterday and needs to meet with the guy, but it's still not management, and that's where he wants to be now. We have one resume out there to a service manager open position, but haven't heard yet. Sent the resume out monday. Please please please call!!!!
About me, I just don't see myself changing. I don't see an easy way out (because there isn't one of course), but i don't want to live like this for the rest of my life (which will be shorted because of all this abuse). I want to live for a long long time to see my children grow up, and all of life's accomplishments for them. My oldest daughter looks at me sometimes and cries and says she never wants me to die. It tears me up because i know i need to take better care of myself, i don't want to die either.
Sigh, too much on my mind! :(
Lv Jenny
The part that hurts the worse is waking up in the morning. I just wake up so out of it and in withdrawal. I used to look at the day upon waking in such a different way. I can't even enjoy my kids to the fullest anymore.
Plus, my husband is so very very very miserable at his job, he absoluately HATES it with a passion. Plus, it is very very hard on him physically. We have about 5 resumes out there floating around right now. He had one call yesterday and needs to meet with the guy, but it's still not management, and that's where he wants to be now. We have one resume out there to a service manager open position, but haven't heard yet. Sent the resume out monday. Please please please call!!!!
About me, I just don't see myself changing. I don't see an easy way out (because there isn't one of course), but i don't want to live like this for the rest of my life (which will be shorted because of all this abuse). I want to live for a long long time to see my children grow up, and all of life's accomplishments for them. My oldest daughter looks at me sometimes and cries and says she never wants me to die. It tears me up because i know i need to take better care of myself, i don't want to die either.
Sigh, too much on my mind! :(
Lv Jenny
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