Oh, girl.........you just had to do that didn't you........lol
I personally recommend mainly the aminos with some select things from the thomas recipe like Immdium, hot baths, bananas that kind of thing is helpful.. The aminos are more helpful because they actually rebuild the damage we have done to our brains... our brains affect our bodies,moods energy ect.. It can actually help heal the problem.. that is what usually gets people to relapse.. the depression and lingering symptoms that causes cravings.. The aminos get you a jump start on the healing process...Here is the post I wrote up.. like I said for withdrawls I would take Immodium, water, vitamin water, bananas, hot baths, Hylands Restful Legs tabs help the RLS, If you need anything Ray, hit me up or shoot me an email if you don't see me around the forum.. my email is in my profile just click my screen name,,
All of this program is from the book END YOUR ADDICTION NOW.. the doctor who wrote it ran a treatment facility in UPstate New york where they gave patients amino acids and vitamin via IV during treatment.. He also counsels patients individually.. All of these things are meant to rebuild activity in the major neuro transmitters.. as addicts our neurotransmitters have been disrupted by our use of drugs.. even stuff like cigarettes and eating alot of sugar can disrupt them.. with drugs however it can be more damaging.. I will list the aminos maily used for addiction, their dosages etc.. everything should be taken on a empty stomach... an hour b4 meals.. Take all of them together with lots of water...
B- vitamin Complex either 50mgs or 100mgs, needed for absorption of aminos..
Multi mineral vitamin, just good to take all around
5HTP-- this is what tryptophan gets turned into prior to being turned into serotonin in our brains. Serotonin is what is usually depleted if we are depressed and anxious.. Taking this will help with PAWS ( post accute withdrawl syndrome) or eliminate you suffering from them all together DO NOT TAKE IF YOU ARE TAKING A SSRI OR TRICYLIC ANTI DEPRESSANT
Dosage-- up to 300mgs a day 3x DAILY ( I take 100mgs 3x per day, start with the lower dose and move up if needed)
L-glutamine--amino acid required for GABA production, that is the relaxing part of our brain. up to 2000mgs 3x per day.. ( I take 1000 mgs 3x day, again start lower and work up if needed)
L-Taurine-- another "relaxing" amino up to 1000mgs 3x daily
DLPA-- helps restore the function to the pain receptors working with the enporphins/enkephalins DO NOT TAKE IF YOU ARE TAKING A SSRI OR TRICYLIC ANTIDEPRESSANT
Dose-- up to 2000mgs 3x per day (again you can start lower like 1000mgs 3x daily)
L-leucine-- required for the production of endorphins up to 500mgs 3x per day
L-methionine-- same as leucine
If you find yourself really struggling with energy after being on the aminos you can add L-tyrosine to the mix in the early part of the day.. up to 1,500mgs.. This is not usually used in the treatment of pain pill addiction and can over stimulate some people I would say only take it if you are still struggling with energy after starting everything else..
If you find yourself having some anxiety the amino L-theanine is like natural valium.. It has helped me so much I no longer need to take xanax at all for my panic attacks
If you are interested in other ways to help heal. Ester C 500mgs to 1000mgs per day can be very helpful.. as well as extra calcium and magnesium.. Alpha lipoic acid is a anti oxidant that helps portect your body against free radicals.. EFA"S can also help in the form of fish oils and omega 3's
As far as sleep.. in my early days off of pills I took a sleep blend from GNC with a L-theanine and calcium magnesium liquid everynight and slept like a baby.
I suggest GNC to purchase this stuff they are pretty cheap (some stuff is only 4.99 a bottle) they were also super helpful and knew alot.. I got a gold card to save some bucks in the future..
After a few months if you are feeling good you can taper the aminos back to once a day... then a few months after that a few times a week.. the best part about taking aminos instead of drugs is you don't have to take them forever to get the benefit.. the FIX the problem not put a band aid on it..
If you have any questions I am always around.. Stephanie
so do you recommend the amino or thomas recipe
The benzo is a suggestion in the Thomas Recipe you do not have to take them... I didn't take any when I quit...I did do the amino acid therapy and that helped more than I can even explain.. Search for it in the archives..
i recently started a job were they take drugs very seriously and if itg ets out in the open illlose everything so im tryin to avoid nay kind of detox or rehab programs unless they have unanamous programs
If i use the thomas recipe should i worry bout gettin hooke don the benxodiazapins i mean i have a addivtive personality but im strong minded and have much will power but im still a little sketchy bout the benzodiazapins specially since they only thing i can get is xanax
They have a rapid 24 hour detox now you can go in and it is will quick.......
You can go into a 5-7 day inpatient detox.........
U could get subutex or suboxone and treat yourself (not recommended)
Or you could go cold turkey and just deal with it........
Another great member here who's name is Ga Guy, posts this for newcomers to the board.
Thought you may be interested in this as well:
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Maybe this will help..I think I post it every other post..
This is a work in progress...something I've been working on off and on for the last couple of weeks. It's not considered complete, but has lots of info from lots of sources. If any of the "old timers" have anything to add, let me know and I'll add it to the document. I hope to use this to post a general "how to" every couple of days or so.
Listed below are suggestions for detoxing and quitting an opiate addiction. They are just suggestions compiled from the detox plans of people that have gone through cold turkey detox before. They are just that, suggestions, and any detox plan is best when done under a doctor's care. Consult your doctor before trying any of the suggestions below.
This is prewritten for anyone who is beginning, or planning on beginning, a cold turkey withdrawal to opiates. This includes drugs such as tramadol (Ultracet and Ultram) codeine (Tylenol #3, #4), Darvocet, Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Norco, Lortab and derivatives), Oxycodone (Endocet, Percocet, Oxycontin), Morphine, Demerol. Fentanyl, and Dilaudud. There are many other opiates not listed, so if you don’t see it listed, you can still use these suggestions if it’s an opiate based addiction. None of these apply to benzodiazepine based addictions. These addictions should never be dealt with by going cold turkey. Always consult a doctor for a detox plan for benzos.
First of all, opiate withdrawals are uncomfortable, but rarely life threatening. You may think you’re going to die, but most of the withdrawal symptoms are just very uncomfortable. If possible, take some time off work or schedule a week or so in order to fully detox. You will honestly not feel like doing much anyway. Opiate withdrawal symptoms usually start 12-24 hours after your last dose. But, the timing of withdrawal symptoms depends upon the drug taken, length of time you’ve been taking it, and how you react to medications. The physical withdrawals usually last 3-7 days, with days 3 and 4 being the worst. Once again, this is all dependent on the person. You can expect these symptoms. Dilated pupils, diarrhea, runny nose, goose bumps, abdominal pain, stomach cramps, sweating, agitation, anxiety, nausea, vomiting, leg cramps, general aches and pains, and sleeplessness. This list is not absolute. You may experience all of these symptoms, only some of them, or other symptoms. Again, we are all different. Below is the famous Thomas Recipe. It gives some general information along with supplements that help with the withdrawal symptoms. The only thing I would add to this list is a blood pressure drug named clonidine. It effectively lowers the blood pressure and lessens many of the withdrawal symptoms. Most any doctor will prescribe it if you’re honest as to why you need it. Discuss dosages and frequency with your doctor.
Thomas Recipe:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5. During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it. At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help. With breakfast, take the mineral supplement. As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
THE ABOVE INFO IS CURTOUSY OF GA GUY! Giving credit where credit is due! :)
Thanks GA!
Good news, opiate withdrawal will not kill, we just feel like we are going to die. After 7 to 10 days you will feel a lot better and not look back, you can do this, we are here for you!! Don't give up.
In the thomas recipe has something for restless legs, and I forget the name. Also the Valerian root is good to help relax/sleep.
Sending prayers your way, and please keep us posted!
Huggs
Tracy
Thanks alot for your help tracy im going to look up the amino acids and the thomas recipe right now. the pain and restlessness im in right now is unbearing im going to keep at it.
Thanks for your help and i arrpeciate anyone elses advice and i will keep i n touch
Ray
Sorry I forgot to answer you on relapsing.
If you are afraid you will and have medication in the house, FLUSH them. If others around you use the medication, stay away from them until you are strong enough if not forever.
If you have a family Dr, I hear clonodine works great for w/ds it is a blood pressure med.
I am finally now able to taper, but it took me a yr to get to where I actually could do it and not take more and more and more.
One will lead to more and a 100 would not be enough. I am sure you know that though by now.
Congrats on your decision to get clean, and we are all here for you. You are not alone!
Hi, welcome to the forum. I do not know that there is any way to "speed up the process" and I am still tapering.
However, if you go to the top search function a great member here posted some stuff on 'Amnio Acids" and also check out the 'Thomas Recipe"
Tons of things in there to help minimize the w/d's and to flush out your system. Drink as much water or gatoraide as you can! You should eat something even if it is just a little. Fruit or something. Maybe soup.
But drink allot of GOOD hydrating fluids as I said above.
Also do the search on those amnio acids, allot are farily cheap and can find at a local drugstore or a gnc,
You have to remember though that it took your body a while to get to where you are, so it will take time to get that "normal" back. Some people feel great within 3 days. All depends on the person, length of time on the drug/s, and how much of the drug/s.
Keep posting as well, it does help!
Please keep us posted as to how you are doing or any other questions.
Hang in there, it will be over soon!
Huggs
Tracy