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RE: mammaofpoohbears post down below...please take the time to read my reply!!

GGGRRRR....This is getting SO old...

Man they need to allow us more than 1600 characters and 25 lines to open with...geesh.

So there is not near enough room to say what I want so please keep on reading down below to the next link...
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To anyone who read her post(mammaofpoohbears), please take the time to read my reply to her. I realize it is quite long, but I did it for all of you. Please dont let one person set any of you back just because they feel like they need to brag, or because they think they are better than the rest.

My response is long, it took me a long time to word it just right, so please if you have the time and patients it might be worth the while.

Thanks.

By the way has anyone heard anything from Vicad, memma, or O'fyre lately? I have not seen them in almost a week. I know Vics kid was ill, and she was having some problems with the step mother, but she usually leaves some sort of message checking in once and awhile, and if I remember correctly memma had her baby (is that right? or am I making that up?) , but she had banged her head and I want to make sure shes doing alright with that. We both have arnold chiari malformation, and I hope to god she did not hurt herself again, needing more surgery. If anyone has information on her could you leave me an email please? my email addy is ***@****  thanks in advance.  

For all of you new comers that do not know me. I am Aurora. I am an older member, been coming here oh probably since November or so. I come here everyday to read your stories, and I usually read them all, or atleast I try to depending on how many there are. I myself don't post too often, unless someone says something that ticks me off, like this last poster (mammaofpoohbear) did in a way. That was just uncalled for, so me and my big ol mouth had to speak up...lol. Thats just me though, take it or leave it. :)

I don't really have many stories of my own, but I am behind you all 100% because I live with an addict, and I know how difficult it is and can and will be. I wont lie to you, it is a long long journey. Only you can make it what it is though. Its like writing your own life story, you make the plot and how it turns out.

Good luck to everyone, and like I said, I hope you give reading my reply to mamapooh a chance.

Thanks, and goodnight,
Aurora
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Touche....I don't think anyone could have said it any better than you did!! Thanks for speaking for all of us. This truly is a tough road and we really don't need someone to browbeat us at this time!!!!! I'm day 4 c/t from Vicodin and I was one who replied to her so I truly take this as a personal attack!  I feel better physically but a little overwhelmed mentally...hard to start the day...the forum really helps with that!

Do you think a "pet rock" could sub for a flat stone!?!?!
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I read your post after reading mammaopoohbears and it was great! She is so cold hearted and I would like to find a rock to through at her this morning :0). Did she actually say that she has been clean for 25 hrs? She has no idea what she is in for.

This forum is so supportive and has helped me so much over the past few days. I still feel lousy but I am starting day 5...whew. I woke up at 3:00 and could not get back to sleep. I still have all my symptoms, chills, headache, the toilet thingy :0) and am irritable. Oh well, I will try to get through today.

Thank you all.
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Yeah she said something about a pet rock, or a flat rock or something like that! I think maybe shes rubbing one of her marbles that has fallen out!!!!LMAO!!!

But the thing that I caught after rereading her posts was that she was thanking you all for your advice and she was at 24 hours, then an hour later at 25 hours she posted that rude comment. I dont get it. Some people just blow me away!

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LOL, thanks for making me smile. She really got to me this morning. It was the first post I read, maybe because of her profanity. How unking can a person be? She is so lucky she is not going through the w/d's, but instead of being happy and supportive she writes that horrible post. Come to think of it, maybe she is starting w/d's and doesn't know it because of the rocks in her head. :0)
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My first 24 hours were not that bad. I really started feeling it after the first day. It has been a nightmare since then. I think mammaofpoohbears is going to eat her words. I really do think her blasting off like that is the first sign she is starting the w/ds. I think she might have a little more something going than her rocks. Maybe a rock of cocaine, LOL
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You all gave me a chuckle this morning! LOL...reading some of your posts..LOL.
I saw one, from betterthanthis..who said they tried to sleep, closed eyes for 15 mins tried to snap the F out of it, but didnt work. LMAO!
Honestly...I just don't understand some people, yanno? Of course I too had to reply!
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And if only 25 hours...hmm...wonder if she will be eating those words soon. I mean I hope not, as I am not that cold of a person but you know what I mean.
We also have to remember why we are all here, and Aurora you said it perfect! Do not let this person get anyone of you down, or upset!
Take it for what it's worth and set it free! We are all here for one another and unfortunately we WILL run into these kinds of posts now and again.
But we are a STRONG bunch! We will be ok!
Listen to me! The one who is scared out of her mind this morning! Go Figure!
Hugggs All
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Well damn how did her post get deleted? I so wished she could have read my response to her...and everyone elses for that matter.  I also noticed that the french guys post was gone too, who gets to decide which posts to delete? I mean **** think about it, any one of us could be next. And it will prolly be me and my big ol mouth today. Me spoutin off at everything.  

Ya know it never fails, the days I am actually in a half way decent mood....(which is next to never! NO SERIOUSLY!!)...someone always tried to put a damper on things. :(

Perhaps the msn thingy mentioned down below somewhere isnt such a bad idea ehhh??? I just think I will have to check the sucker out now.

Aurora
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You might have slept 8 hrs last night. I slept 8 hrs until the third night. I do hope you don't go through what I have been through. I just feel that you are very condescending and judgemental. I still wish you the best of luck.
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Sharing a positve experience is one thing, but judging us and our circstances is another. Who the hell do you think you are!!!!! You are acting like a self-righteous jerk and we did respond to your first post. Not all posts are responded to right away and did you expect one from the entire comminity???????  Sounds like a bit of sourgrapes my friend and I know this is to be a positive forum but how dare you berate those who you know nothing about or how they feel or are dealing with this addiction. Just thank your lucky stars that your are feeling so good and I truly pray you never have to feel what many of us are feeling.  Seek some anger management please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A little compassion would help too!!!
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Since you have not felt "bad" you have no idea about what you are talking about. I have a very open mind and if I could rub stone and think happy thoughts I WOULD!!!! I don't care what you think about me either but if you had the compassion to see that there is suffering, you wouldn't be making ignorant comments like you did!
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Mammapooh since you wanted to know what some of us though I can share some of it with you. For some reason I just happen to have had 2 of the same windows open that have that deleted forum on it.

So if you really want to know some of it I will gladly copy and paste it for you. Just incase you wanted to know, I was the first one to respond to your post...and here is what it said...read away...Here it is....
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Wow that was pretty damn harsh, and somewhat uncalled for I think. I come and visit this site everyday and read what people go through and I am like you. I have never felt any withdrawl effects from not having my pain meds. I dont get the sweats, the sh*ts, the shakes, and whatever else most get. I thank god for that too, because I have gone without because I have had 2 weeks worth of mine stolen before.

I think I read somewhere that you have only taken them for 7 months, is that right? And you thought that maybe you hadnt takend them long enough to become addicted. Well I have been taking vicodin for over 3 years. I started out taking the 5/500 then it went to the 5/650 then up from there to the 7.5/650 and now I am on the 10/325 and that is what I have been on for over a year now. I have chronic pain from several different medical problems that are not curable. I know alot of the people on here also have legit pain problems, but they feel differently about how the pills effect them. I do not feel like the pills take over my life. I simply take them when I need them for pain. I will admit that last summer I was going through a massive flare and I did take up to 18 pills a day for like 4 days in a row. I could not sleep so I was taking meds constantly trying to numb the pain. Once I realized that I had taken that many I imediatly put a stop to it with my hubbys help. I had him dispense them to me, just so I would not be tempted and perhaps fall into a habit forming trap. Since that episode I have been doing fine with managing my meds myself though. I take them as prescribed. Sometimes even less.

As I read some of the peoples posts on here I think to myself how lucky I am that I do not have to go through that kind of hell. I have gone through a withdrawl before, but it was coming off of the antidepressant effexor. It felt as if someone had a shock collar on me and was zapping my brain. It was far from fun, but I made it through it.

I dont think that the people come here to wallow in self pitty though. They come here looking for support, or to give support to those who need it. I have become friends or atleast I consider them friends on here. It is nice to have someone to talk to, even if it is online about problems that you are facing, especially those that you feel like you can not talk to anyone around you personally.

There are many folks on here who are successful and professional people who have fallen victim to the addiction to pills and other things. I do not believe they are coming here for a pity party, or for us to feel sorry for them, but they are looking for advice and understanding.

They do not want or need ANYONE judging them while they are trying to beat a disease. And yes I believe that addiction to anything is an incurable disease. Sure you may think you have it beat because you have so many clean days behind you, but there is always that chance that you could relapse.

My husband is a meth, crystal ice smoker, or I should say was. He is an addict. They say once an addict, always and addict. Even though he is clean right now, he will admit to you that he is infact an addict. He is in recovery right now, but if he just happens to hang out with the wrong person at the wrong time, he could fall victim to its grasp again. He has so in the past. This is probably his 3rd time of trying to beat meth addiction.

Addiction does not discriminate. It doesnt matter what kind of addiction either, whether it be street drugs, prescription drugs, pornography, food, gambling, or for godsakes whatever else you could get addicted to. It does not care how rich or poor you are,what your color of skin is, your race, age, or what religion you are, if it has a chance, any chance at all, it will grab you and try to suck you in. And if you are one of the unlucky souls that has the addictive personality, then you might as well kiss your sober days goodbye.

Perhaps you and I are a couple of the lucky ones. Maybe we do not have the addictive personality, atleast not to prescription drugs. So we don't know what it is like to feel like *****without the pills, good for us, but don't go rubbing it in the faces of those who have to feel the pain and suffering. Who knows, maybe it is something else that we dont even know about yet.

All I am saying is you should not come onto the message board and down the people on here who are looking for help. If it were you who need advice, they would have given it to you, but you basically came on here bragging about how you werent feeling the same withdrawl symptoms they were. They really dont need to hear that. Their pain is real, their withdrawl symptoms are real, as well as the guilt they carry around with them for keeping this a secrete from family and friends. I mean really if you are not feeling well, and you have the runs do you feel like going outside and taking a walk and acting as if everything is hunky dory? Im betting not. Its much easier said than done my dear. This may just be the internet and a message board, but these people have feelings and they are real. Some of them right now are having a hard time admitting to their addiction and again they dont need to hear someone telling them to suck it up and quit being a baby about it. Its just not that easy....sorry.

To all of you out there who are fighting this damn addiction disease, I am behind you 100%. Even if I myself am not an addict, like I said above I know all too well what it is like to live with one. I know it is hard to live with them while they are using, while they are coming down, while they are jonsing for more, and I also know how hard it is for you all to try to come and stay clean.

Just remember admitting you have a problem is the first step. No one can help you until you are ready to be helped. That was the hardest lesson I had to learn. I thought I was just going to jump right in there and tell my husband 'YOU WILL NOT USE ANYMORE, END OF STORY' HA! boy was I ever wrong and did he prove me wrong, that just made it worse.

If I can be of any assistance just hollar. I come in here everyday and read all of the posts, I just dont comment too much, unless I feel I need to stick my nose in like tonight. What this poster said rubbed me the wrong way and I didnt like it too well, and I hope that they come back to read and think about what I have said. Whether they pay attention or not is another story, I just hope I have helped someone understand the addiction game a little better tonight. Take it easy to those of you who read this and hang in there. Make it through tonight and you will have another clean day behind you!!

Good night to those of you who are actually able to get some sleep. Glad the valerian root idea has worked out so well for many of you. I was going to suggest that to you myself, but the other poster beat me to it. It really does work, but you are right on the smell, you just about have to plug your nose to get the things swallowed, and god help you if you have to burp.....YUCK is all I have to say...LOL!!!
On that note I will shut up now, I think this is beyond long enough and I should go to bed myself. :)

Aurora


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The next comment came from betterthanthis and it was directed towards amythist2779, it said...

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thank you , i didn't feel like typing alot. you said it all. by the way my knee replacement is all swelled up and hurting, but i guess it is in my head. hope to get to sleep soon
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the third comment was from me, amythist2779 directed towards betterthanthis, and it said...
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You know what? I have not even had the chance to meet you yet, but Im willing to bet that you are better than mammapoohbear.(referring to your name :)

But hey why dont ya suck it up quit your whinning and walk it off...haha..what a joke. OR hey you know whats even better?? You could get yourself a flat rock friend to carry around in your pocket so that when you touched him, he could remind you of what you are so damn grateful of. Is she for real? She must be on some damn good drugs. Jesus. Some people just dont have any courtisy for anyone else.

Now, you know damn well that its not all in your head, especially when you have the swelling and the pain to prove it. Don't you let that one person bring you down.

She accusses us of bringing each other down, BOY OH BOY how wrong is she there? Not on this message board. No one here degrades anyone else, well if they do they dont get away with it, and they dont stick around long ...hehe...

From what I have read damn neart everyone that comes here is here for help, and seeking advice, and then they get to know everyone else, and we all become buddies, or atleast it feels that way. Its like a little online family in a strange sorta way. We don't bring each other down, we come here day after day to check on one another to see how they are doing and how they are holding up.

Obviously mammaofpoohbear has her wires crossed and didn't know what the hell she was talking about when she entered our door. I know she probably wasn't expecting the wrath from Aurora, thats for sure. But god things like that just tick me off to no end.

Ok now enough ranting and raving,

Are you taking anything for your pain hun? I don't even know your story, if you are trying to get off pain meds or whats goin on with you, but I know that when my arthritis acts up I take aleve, and it usually helps quite a bit. With the pain and with the swelling some too. It seems to work better than advil or motrin anyways. And have you tried some ice? I know those are the obvious and dumb questions/solutions, but when we are in so much pain, we forget about some of the more easy solutions.

I have been having a terrible time with the right side of my back hurting, and its sending the worst pains down the left leg. Yep pain on right side of back sending pain to opposite side of body to left leg, weird huh.

But when it starts to effect my left knee, it feels like someone is just twisting my knee in a vice with a knife through it or something, it just hurts so damn bad I cant stand it. I will take a small zip lock baggie and fill it with ice, then wrap it in a small towl. I then take a pillow and adjust it underneath of my knee and position the icebag until I get it in the right spot.

Hell sometimes its so bad I need 2 of the ice bags and I put one on the underneath of my knee and then one on the top of my knee once I get comfortable. Like I said I know those are the obvious solutions, but I dont know if you have tried them or not.

There are also times when I use aspercreme. Im sure you know what it is, but just incase you dont, it comes in a tube like icyhot, or bengay, only it doesnt smell or burn. I can not use icyhot or anything with the burning sensation in it because I am allergic to the menthalatym (sp?) that is in them, but aspercreme doesnt have the burning stuff in it and it usually does a good job at relieving the pain for awhile.

Im sorry you are having the pain, I know being in pain is no fun at all. I myself have a few medical problems that cause chronic pain that is not curable, so I have had to learn how to adjust to these other methods once and awhile instead of always relying on pain medications, because sometimes they dont even work like they are supposed to.

Anyways good luck, I hope some of my suggestions help you some. Try to get some rest, and I will check back in here sometime tomorrow. I always do, just to see how everyone is doing. Take care,
Aurora
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the 4th comment was from betterthanthis to me, amythist2779 and it said...
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thank you, my story and i'll try not to bore you 45/male played sports and got hurt at work. in ten years 4 scope surgery and knee replacement at 42. was having problems with knee and then car wreck, shattered pelvis and back surgery. or wait was that in my head. no stranger to pills. going into day 2 c/t felling better but would like to sleep. thanks for caring it helps no meds pain sucks but my boys are worth more than a strung out dad.

closed my eyes for 15 minutes and tried to snap the f--- out of it. it didn't work. lol
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and the 5th was again from me back to betterthanthis and it said...
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You forgot to get yourself the flat rock buddy to rub. LOL. I think thats the main key to her success. But she does not say what size for us to get. I mean obviously it needs to fit into our pocket so we can rub it while we take our walk once our flexeril kicks in, but what if its not the right size? Then what?? Are we just wasting our time?

I keep going back and rereading her nasty post and it just urks me that much more. Then I decided to go back even further to see what else she has posted. She posted on the 12th I think. She was thanking everyone for their advice that day. In one post she says she thinks shes not an addict after all, but in her post on the 12th she clearly states that she CRAVES THOSE LITTLE BUGGERS. Well hell here this is her post on the 12th that I am talking about...

"So can I expect that this is how its going to go?? I'm alomst to 24hrs I'm so proud of myself... I hope this isn't the calm before the storm. Mentally its hard boy oh boy do I crave those little buggers but my wallet and heart know it's time to call it quits before things really get out of hand, I'm already in debt...ahhhhh! Thanks for your comments"

Now that right there is an addicts thinking and feeling to me. You would not crave the drug unless you were an addict and liked how it made you feel and were not using it for the purpose of getting rid of pain. HMMM. Bet she forgot she said that. She was at 24 hours when she posted that...and only an hour later she posted her nasty a*s comment to us. HMM. getting kinda grouchy now arent we. Maybe she is starting to feel the wrath of withdrawl after all. In a way I hope she is, just so she knows what everyone on here has gone through!!!

From what I have pondered and put together is something along the lines of 'if you build it they will come'...LOL You know off of the movie field of dreams.
In this case its...if you believe you arent in pain, you will be fine, it will go away. PFFT WTFever! I could say and repeat that everyday all day long until I was blue in the face and not breathing...and its STILL not going to cure me by a long shot. I guess she must think that we all wished or talked ourselves into this sort of pain that put us on painkillers to begin with.

I wonder if she would tell a child cancer patient that was in intense pain that same thing...ahhh its just in your head, take a flexeril, get a rock, rub it, take a walk and VOUALLLA you are cured.

I wonder what kind of advice and encouragment she brings us tomorrow, or should I say later today...lol. *****I didnt realize it was already 4:40 am. I really do hate insomnia somtimes. But then again thats when I am most talkative and do the most posting, as if you couldnt already tell.

By the way betterthanthis, hows you knee doing now? Did you try the ice or aleve? Where abouts are you from, if you dont mind me asking. I live in SW Iowa and we are getting one heck of a blizzard right now. Expected to get like 10 inches of snow...YUCK!! This is the reason I can not sleep tonight, the weather is making every inch of my body ache...damn I gotta get me one of those magical rocks....LOL. :)

Aurora
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the 6th message was from betterthanthis to me, it said...
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i,m in ohio, we just closed our schools, wow now i can sleep in, yea right. -10 inches today.let it snow let it snow let it snow. thanks for your help. maybe i can go shovel the drive way with my rock.
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the 7th message was from Mariyah2 to you, and it said..
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You are a very cold person. You have been without your meds for 25 hrs? Hold on sweetheart, a real bumpy ride is coming your way. Pick up a lot of rocks because you are going to need them.
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and the 8th message was from Marce4 to you and it said...
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You got positive reinforcement, maybe it wasn't what you wanted to hear?!?!? You need to find some compassion for those who are not as fortunate as you appear to be!!!!
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and the 9th message was from RLB1958 to you and it said..
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First of all, I want to tell you.. it is like herion or whatever it is that you think it is not like. I am a recovering herion addict of over 20 years. recovering off of that now for some time. now its oxycotin and YES>>>> it is the same. so for you to sit here and say it isn't, is absurd!.. AND.. How dare you!!!!!. come on here and put others down when you don't even know thier past or what kind of life their living. Before you start juding others my friend. take alook at yourself in the mirror. you will for sure see your problem.
and as far as cussing the way you did. Boy!!!! you a real big person for that. should I be scared.. NOT! I feel sorry for you my friend. Look.. whatever the problem here. we are here for eachother.. we DO NOT put others down and make them feel less than.. for some. its alittle harder than others. allwe are doing is sharing what we are going through and for you to come here and start your raving is so not right. Its wonderful that you didn't hurt.. i didn't either, but it was because I had something to keep me from hurting. some don;t have that luxery my friend. People come on here to be honest on how they are feeling.all I saw of your post is pure meaness and that was uncalled for. You should think before you say. I am so glad that your pushing 25 hours without perc s and vic's...with no pain. But again, thats you. thats not some of the others. maybe you were'nt taking as much as others.. I don't know. I'm not you. My hat goes off to you for being able to do it. but some can't do it alone with out this forum, so don;t go trying to take that away from them. for some, this is all they have for right now. You have a good day my friend, and may the lord smile on you today, it sure sounds like you need it.
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the 10th message was from Mariyah2 to RLB and it said...
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Reading your post made me feel so much better!!! Mammapoohbear should been ashamed of herself.
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and finally the 11th message was from vicaddict to you and it said...
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Well I will say ONE thing....NOT EVERYONE can just snap the f out of it...furthermore...there are MANY who have been on the drug for 7 YEARS not months...so in response to that..we could be just as harsh and say...
7 MONTHS? Pffft! No wonder you feel fine! But see we are not like that...EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT...and b/c you feel so well does not mean everyone else will.
GOOD FOR YOU! You are doing great, that is wonderful! But no need to bring everyone else down b/c you THINK you are fine. My guess is that you are NOT fine, and just had to ******at somebody..but that is just my 2 cents.
Take care!
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#1 Educated and ignorant are NOT the same and you are the former!
#2 Bully for you...glad you were able to do it...doesn't negate the nasty and vicious comments that you made to all of us and which were absolutely  unwarranted.  Everyone is different and I pray for the day that I can look back on this forum and read my posts and be able to be in a "Good" mood as you said and be able to say "Wow" I sure have come a long way and thank all the kind people who helped to get me through SANS mammaofpoobear!!!!!!!!!
No more wasting my time with YOUR negativity!
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So there you go. There is your missing post. Pull up a chair and begin reading. I just dont understand where you get off thinking you are better than anyone else on this message board. You said you were taking 20 of the 5 mg vics a day. Do you realize that most of the people on this board are taking higher milligram meds than you did? Hell 20 of your lil ol 5ers would only be 10 of their norcos. and most who were abusing norcos were taking anywhere from 20-35 in a day. I do believe I even read that someone took that many at one time. So just for one second put yourself in their place to see what it might be like. They sure as in the hell did not need to wake up this morning to your harsh words dragging them down and making them feel like sh*t right off the bat. As you can see alot of them are already struggling, they dont need anymore negativity surrounding them right now, so if that is all you came here for then we would rather not have you here.

Answer me one question though. How can you go from one post of being 24 hours clean and thanking the people on here for their time and words, and then ONE FREAKING HOUR later come back saying 'Im at hour 25 and blah blah blah, Im better than you, You are all weak, get a rock get over yourselves, go for a walk and talk yourself out of it?'

You said in one post you didnt think you were addicted, then in another you stated that you 'WERE CRAVING THE LITTLE BUGGERS' Sorry honey, but that right there IS called ADDICTION. When you openly admit to craving a drug, you have a problem. It just seems like you want to try to take that back now and perhaps go back into hiding. Was that an accident? Was that not supposed to be known or what? Are you ashamed of yourself? Is that why you lashed out on everyone this morning? Did you slip up yourself, but cant own up to it? So you thought you would come here and try to ruin everyone elses day??Im just trying to figure out your train of thought here, because you changed your story so fast, but I caught it.
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I think "and this is for those of you who want it, if you dont let it go in one ear and out the other". Try going to a newcommers meeting at AA or NA.  the first thing they tell  you is that only you can decide if you are an addict. The second and rest is what it was like"being adicted themselves" what happened"to them", and what its like now "not using anymore". Last they offer help and positive, not negative reinforcement.

Maybe thats what this forum should be a lot like.

Offer help that works for you, and tell what is going on in your life that you need help with. If we stick with these things the place will be a lot better.
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