Rapid detox from methadone and naltrexone implants

[cleanman]

I am interested to hear from anyone who has been through a rapid detox following methadone or heroin addiction and then had a naltraxone implant.  I have been clean for 18 months after having two naltrexone implants but can't find anyone else who has managed to come off after using such a high dose of methadone (300 ml per day).  Would also be interested to hear about any side effects from naltrexone and rapid detox, as I have experienced depression, anxiety and Delirium tremors and extreme aggression!

[bobo942]

don't mean to be a smart *** but endorphin means "endogenous morphine" because the parts of both molecules that bind to the receptor are the same. Just thought that might interest you.

[magicrinny77]

As far as I know (and I haven't tried to use on the naltrexone), you will get no affect from it, I'm pretty sure you do NOT go into withdrawal at all.
BUT I hear that you can overdose, that's right- you have a hit feel nothing then next minute you drop. So be careful!
I've been clean 2 years & naltrexone helped me 100%.

[london747]

after being 10 days clean with an implant if i was to use DONT answer the obvoius i know the gear wont work but will it put me back with my withdrawals or as the gear has not been anble to get to my receptors will there be no effects!!!!!!
I really wanted to get clean just spent 5k on the detox and just want to give up now!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!
hate feeeling this way feel usless......

[london747]

Hi Sasex, I so glad to of finally found some one who is having a good experiance with the implant I have just come home from doing the a rapid detox my self with a 3 month implant im on day 10 but really struggling with my will power, stupid I know thats what the safty net of the implant is for cos addicts dont have will power but my heads still going I am not a person to cry was always taught as a kid it was weak to show those kind of emotions but I just cant stop crying just feel so depressed did you have this for a while?
I know every person is different but I just feel like using for the sake of it to pretend I can fix the emotion just want to live and laugh again. THANKS x

[london747]

Hi Sasex, I so glad to of finally found some one who is having a good experiance with the implant I have just come home from doing the a rapid detox my self with a 3 month implant im on day 10 but really struggling with my will power, stupid I know thats what the safty net of the implant is for cos addicts dont have will power but my heads still going I am not a person to cry was always taught as a kid it was weak to show those kind of emotions but I just cant stop crying just feel so depressed did you have this for a while?
I know every person is different but I just feel like using for the sake of it to pretend I can fix the emotion just want to live and laugh again. THANKS x

[gnarly_1]

rapid detox is not recamended on methadone it is a long acting opiate it works beeter on short acting opiates there are problems doing it with methadone please reconsider doing this with methadone and if your on a short acting opiate choose your clinic carefully ....if not done properly this can Kill you methadone has its own set of rules and the withdrawal is long lasting even with rapid detox thats why it shouldet be used good luck and God bless......Gnarly  

[sasex]

The symptoms you've experienced have nothing to do with rapid detox or Naltrexone pellet. You have psychological withdrawal symptoms. Therefore you need medication to regulate your psychological dis balance, before your body gets used to drugs free life. I know it's hard to believe that it comes from the head, but that's how it is. I believe that Naltrexone implant is a wonder medication.

[curiousderek]

how soon after does the neltrexone implant become effective, i soo want to use!

[betatester]

Not sure how that works as the naltrexone blocks opiate receptors and even reverses the effects of opiates which is how it saves lives of OD victims who are already barely breathing.  Not to insult you as everyone's brain chemistry is different and I guess it could somehow be possible that your pain meds are working.  If I personally had to make a bet and lay money down to diagnose someone who was taking naltrexone and was taking opiate pain meds to control pain and they were still working I would have to lean toward the pain being psychological and the opiate pain meds were either working by placebo effect or the pain medications you are prescribed contain acetominophin, ibuprofin, or aspirin and that itself is taking care of your pain not the opiate.  

A placebo test if properly done could answer this question for you.

Again, I am not a doctor.  I am not trying to insult you or point a finger at you and say ha ha you're wrong.  I was just writing a response to something I found very interesting and perplexing.

[radar750]

You are incorrect in stating that naltrexone will stop pain relief when adminstered
from working.I am on NAL for alcohol dependance,I use pain killers on a regular
basis for a neck injury,works every time.

[sasex]

I had my rapid detox from methadone plus heroine in Serbia (RefindYourWay) and it helped me sooo much!!! My detox took 7 days and I felt some minimal withdrawal syndromes (a bit of pain my legs,sweating) but I received medicines every time I felt something it helped me immediately! I am so happy! I have a 6 month Naltrexone implant and I feel just great. They did some kind of therapy for cravings elimination or something so psychologically I feel so much better. It really worked for me.  

[linda749]

I believe if your methadone dose is lower than 40 mg. than the blockade effect isn't complete. On a higher dose, nothing gets through the blockade, but on 20 mgs. a day, you can get pain relief from other meds. (or get high if that's what youre looking for).

[seagull321]

My experience was to exercise.  Would run till I thought I was going to collapse.  Took only 2 weeks before I was actually getting a real good nights sleep.  On the eighth day I felt my natural endorphins we taking care of my problem. It take a little effort, but the result are great. I don't even take any thing stronger than an asprin now.  Am eating alot of veggies and rare meat and chicken. Taking herbs.  I can work all day and enjoy life again. Never ever want to be in that place again.  It was the most horrible place in the world. Did it all over several years.

[lilangel]

mike thanks for your reply, so if in the future i would stop the meeth, can i ever get back that feeling again if i ever used vicodin or anything else?? and why do some people say they get high from the meth? it dosent do a dam thing for me, except thank god give me the pain relief i need,, lol.. but i thought maybe i would be one of the luckey ones also be able to have a ltttle buzz too lol,does the itching also go away with time?? i think it is getting better.. well if it is a waste of time taking the vicodin with the meth i dont know why my doctor didnt tell me that, i really wonder sometimes about these doctors,, well talk to ya soon mike,, lilangel,, aka crystal..

[mrmichael67]

Methadone creates what is called a blockade effect.  It will block ALL effects of other opioids, including analgesia and euphoria.  You are better off doing what you are doing....stopping the vicodin.

[lilangel]

I HAVE BEEN ON VICODIN ES FOR 2 YEARS FOR CHRONIC PAIN, UNTIL 3 WEEKS AGO MY DOCTOR STARTED ME ON METHDONE FOR THE PAIN, AS THE VICS WERE NO LONGER WORKING,, IS IT TRUE THAT ONCE YOU GO ON METH IM ON 20 MGS AM 20 MGS PM, THAT IF YOU GO TO TAKE ANY PILLS VICODIN , PERCS, ETC, THAT YOU WONT GET THAT HIGH ANYMORE?? I DID NOTICE WHEN I DO TAKE MY MORNING VICS AS DIRECTED FROM DOC, THAT IT REALLY DOSENT GIVE ME THAT LITTLE JULT IN THE MORN, LIKE IT USED TO,, SO IM GONNA JUST STOP THEM ALL TOGETHER,, BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARENT HELPING WITH THE PAIN ANYWAY,, I DID NOTICE I DONT GET ANY HIGH WHAT SO EVER FROM THE METH, BUT IT HAS BEEN HELPING MY PAIN NOT TOTALLY BUT BETTER THEN THE VICS,,BUT IT DOES MAKE ME ITCH ALOT, AND ALTTLE SICK TO MY STOAMCH IS THAT NORMAL?? AND WILL IT GO AWAY WITH TIME?? IF ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT ANY OF MY QUESTIONS YOUR HELP IS APPRECITATED,, THANKS ALOT... PEACE,,, LILANGEL

[lilangel]

I HAVE BEEN ON VICODIN ES FOR 2 YEARS FOR CHRONIC PAIN, UNTIL 3 WEEKS AGO MY DOCTOR STARTED ME ON METHDONE FOR THE PAIN, AS THE VICS WERE NO LONGER WORKING,, IS IT TRUE THAT ONCE YOU GO ON METH IM ON 20 MGS AM 20 MGS PM, THAT IF YOU GO TO TAKE ANY PILLS VICODIN , PERCS, ETC, THAT YOU WONT GET THAT HIGH ANYMORE?? I DID NOTICE WHEN I DO TAKE MY MORNING VICS AS DIRECTED FROM DOC, THAT IT REALLY DOSENT GIVE ME THAT LITTLE JULT IN THE MORN, LIKE IT USED TO,, SO IM GONNA JUST STOP THEM ALL TOGETHER,, BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARENT HELPING WITH THE PAIN ANYWAY,, I DID NOTICE I DONT GET ANY HIGH WHAT SO EVER FROM THE METH, BUT IT HAS BEEN HELPING MY PAIN NOT TOTALLY BUT BETTER THEN THE VICS,,BUT IT DOES MAKE ME ITCH ALOT, AND ALTTLE SICK TO MY STOAMCH IS THAT NORMAL?? AND WILL IT GO AWAY WITH TIME?? IF ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT ANY OF MY QUESTIONS YOUR HELP IS APPRECITATED,, THANKS ALOT... PEACE,,, LILANGEL

[pillhell]

SO,YOU TITLED ME PILLHEAD.HOW IRONIC!ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN TITLED ALOT WORSE-HA-HA.AS FAR AS THE OXYS,I WAS NEVER REALLY ON A HIGH DOSE.80MG. AT FIRST.EVENTUALLY I WENT DOWN TO ABOUT 40MG.TOWARD THE END,I DIDNT CARE IF I GOT HIGH.IT WAS MORE SO I COULD FEEL RIGHT.IT DEPENDED HOW MANY I HAD.I DIDN'T WANT TO RUN OUT.FEAR OF BEING SICK.I'VE BEEN USING THE OXYS FOR ABOUT 2-3 YEARS.I STARTED ON LORCET FOR PAIN.WHICH WAS PRESCRIBED TO ME FROM A PAIN MANAGEMENT DOC.I GOT 120 A MONTH.BUT THAT WAS FOR ME & MY HUSBAND.(LORCET-10MG)THAT WOULD ONLY LAST ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO.I STOPPED GOING TO THE DOC.AFTER 6 MONTHS.I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASY TO GET CLEAN,WITHOUT A SCRIPT.WRONG!!!!!!IT WAS JUST MORE EXPENSIVE.THEN I FOUND THE METH.WAFERS I THOUGHT HOW COOL IS THIS.AN EASY FIX.I'LL FINALLY BE CLEAN.WRONG AGAIN.TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST,I DIDN'T HAVE METH.THIS WEEK,SO I GOT SOME OXYS.I GOT 15 PILLS-40 MG.WHICH FOR TWO PEOPLE ISNT MANY.WE CUT THEM INTO 10 MG. PIECES.I'VE BEEN DOING THE METH. FOR ABOUT 6 MONTHS.ON AND OFF.NOW WE DO 20 MG. A DAY.WE TRIED 5 MG. DOSES.MY HUSBAND DIDN'T FEEL GREAT,BUT HE WASNT NEAR AS SICK AS ME ON 5 MG.USUALLY WE DO 60 MG.A PIECE FOR THE FIRST DAY,THEN WE TAPPER OFF SO THE LAST DAY IS 10 MG.BUT NOW THERE AREN'T ANY LAST DAYS.YOU ASKED ME 2 QUESTIONS,AND I JUST RETOLD YOU ABOUT MY PATHETIC LIFE.SORRY.TALK 2 U SOON.PILLHELL

[oxyhell]

I have been going through something very similar to you. You were on 200mg / day oxy and started taking meth with it? Are you saying you used the oxy for two weeks to get off the meth by tapering them and then used the meth for a few days to get off everything all together.
How long were you using for on a steady basis? How long were you at 200mg / day of the oxy? And how long did it take you to build up to that dose.... Did the meth really help with the withdrawls?
Did you take anything else ....ie. valium, clonidine?
thanks for the help...

[mrmichael67]

I never said that it would be over in 2-3 months.  I said that it shouldn't last a couple to a few YEARS.  And, from what I have read, the pellet is supposed to be a temporary thing to use to ensure abstinence.  After a while, you have to try to get some more faith in your recovery and not lean on the pellet.  That is not what I told or am telling to the other person.  This is what I am saying to you.  The pellet can be a good thing for certain individuals.  But, God forbid, you might be in a car wreck sometime this week and what if you break ribs and a hip?  You are going to be a hurting unit, with no relief in sight.  I never wrote that the depression would be over that soon.  Even during depression, some people do get periods of time where they feel better.  A lot of people feel really good right after excercise.  It has been studied that excercise does click in endorphin production.  They can be just produced without excersize and the person would be able to enjoy that moment when it happens if they aren't on the pellet.  And, after a year or two, if the person is in major depression still, then I would say that other causes should be investigated.  There are other treatments for depression.  Depression from opiate withdrawal does not last a couple of years and a naltrexone pellet is not any way to treat it.  And, at that point, it surely doesn't help matters either.

[mrmichael67]

Depression is a part of detox whether you are on the naltrexone or not.  But, any little endorphins that your body might produce will do absolutely nothing when you are on the naltrexone.  The endorphins would definitely help with the depression.  One interesting thing I read was whether a peson would rather be in depression for a couple of years or be addicted for the rest of their life.  Depression is a main factor in a lot of addicts usage.  The depression after a detox should not last that long.  If it did, I am sure that the depression itself would make quite a few relapse, not abstaining from using a pellet.  Any better feelings that you could get would only help in your recovery.  Don't block them with the naltrexone.  My biggest thing is what if you are in a bad accident with trauma?  The pain is going to suck because that pellet will keep you from getting pain relief.  They will not be able to override the blockade.  They could remove the pellet, but you would still have to wait quite some time for it to not be effective any more.  Any time is too long to wait in that type of situation.  Depression shouldn't happen for a few years after detox;  that is not the norm.

[cleanman]

what is your personal experience? From my own experience of being on  methadone maintenance for 13 years I can tell you categorically that depression is a major factor in recovery which may last for several years, albeit that naltrexone makes it worse.  I think it is wrong to give out the impression that you will be depression free after 2-3 months.

[OxyDout]

Ok,how much oxy were you on??  Meth can be tricky, I got into the same situation you are in right now.  I would by the wafers, then I would say to myself "ill just get ****** up one more time, then start to take the methadone" so I would get ****** up, take the meth, then get screwed up again and so on....... so I was taking methadone and oxy, at the same time........ wow did that suck.  So this last time what I did was use a MINIMAL AMOUNT of meth.  I was taking around 200mg of oxy a day.  So I took 10mg of meth the first day, then for the second and third I took 7.5mg a day, then the fourth day I took 5 and the 5th day I took 2.5, and then that was it, I felt tired the 2nd day i was off the meth, but after that I was fine. You have to use Minimal amounts otherwise you will be screwed, NOW HERE IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO LISTEN,AND I WILL PROBABLY GET **** FOR SAYING THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT I SUGGEST. If you can do this, I would start taking smaller amounts of oxy for the next 2 weeks, don't take any meth, then try the detox I just did, I say this because it worked for me, I made sure i had the methadone out of my system, and I assume you don't want to go through hell for the 2 weeks which is why I said take the oxy during that time, then take the methadone........ I know its a little weird, but trust me it works.  And try to keep in mind that methadone lasts a long time, take 5mg and wait it out, don't take anymore until you absolutely have to, you should be able to go atleast 12 hours.........

L-Tyrosine can be bought at GNC or any vitamin store, its an amino acid that helps replenish seratonin levels........ or something like that............ write back with any questions.

GWH

[pillhell]

I AM TRING TO RESEARCH L-TYROSINE.IS IT A PRESCRIPTION MED.?IF ANYONE COULD EDUCATE ME ON THIS I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.I CAN'T FIND ANY INFO. ON IT.ANY MEDS OUT THERE THAT HELP WITH WD.ANY GOOD DOCTORS I COULD GO TO TO HELP ME DETOX.TRYING TO GET OFF PAIN MEDS.AND METH.WAFERS.MY HUSBAND IS IN THIS NIGHTMARE WITH ME.WE NEED TO TRY TO GET CLEAN AT HOME.WE CAN'T AFFORD FOR HIM TO TAKE TIME OFF WORK.HE IS THE ONLY INCOME.

                   DESPERATELY YOURS,
                    PILLHELL!!!!!!!!