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STOP THE NONSENSE !!!
by CGTMHI, Dec 11, 2002 12:00AM
, Dec 11, 2002 12:00AM
This posting is specifically directed toward: Chezz2, GWH, Mariposa2, Thomas02 ... and anyone else who has been posting nasty comments in this forum.
We are really disappointed that you continue to harrass one another in this forum.
If this nonsense doesn't STOP we're going to start charging a fee for every single posting - yes, that means COMMENTS TOO!! This is a last resort and one we would prefer not to institute! Sadly, our asking you to stop and banning you at times have not been successful. We don't have the funding necessary to support a full-time person to monitor this forum and we therefore are running out of options. We HAVE to do SOMETHING to get this behavior to CEASE!!!
We suspect that most people won't be willing to spend $$ to post nasty things about another member of the forum, but the downside is that people who need to post comments and can't afford to pay will be left out.
We're begging ALL of you....STOP IT NOW!!!
Comments to this may be e-mailed to me OFFLINE!
Cindy Thompson
Med Help International
Email: ***@****
We are really disappointed that you continue to harrass one another in this forum.
If this nonsense doesn't STOP we're going to start charging a fee for every single posting - yes, that means COMMENTS TOO!! This is a last resort and one we would prefer not to institute! Sadly, our asking you to stop and banning you at times have not been successful. We don't have the funding necessary to support a full-time person to monitor this forum and we therefore are running out of options. We HAVE to do SOMETHING to get this behavior to CEASE!!!
We suspect that most people won't be willing to spend $$ to post nasty things about another member of the forum, but the downside is that people who need to post comments and can't afford to pay will be left out.
We're begging ALL of you....STOP IT NOW!!!
Comments to this may be e-mailed to me OFFLINE!
Cindy Thompson
Med Help International
Email: ***@****
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Chezz
I will be waiting for an apology, thanks.
gwh
like our beloved hippee tells us all the time...focus your energy on somebody else, not yourself. that's what i'm trying to do today....so, if anybody out there needs an hear or a shoulder, just let me know. i'm here. peace and love to all of you, with all my heart.
I decided to not take anything except multivitamin, vitaminc, and magnesiumw/VitB. I had taken enuff pills.
I think I told you that I had about the exact same Norc habit at one point, for about the same amount of time, and I was OK after 3 weeks.
When I kicked Oxycontin and Klonopin recently, I didn't sleep at all for 24 days straight. Maybe 5 hours in that whole time period. I ended up in the ER but they couldn't give me anything anyway, as I refused any opiates or benzos.
As far as I know, lack of sleep never killed anybody, and it didn't kill me. Sleep patterns will probably be one of the last things to fully return, but they are returning, every second that you are not using your body is repairing the damage done.
I HAD a 2 year plus addiction with Hydro and Vic's. Like so many here, I did not start out taking them for enjoyment. It started with an innocent trip to the dentist. Before I new it it had me. Yes, it is hard and frustrating to get off these nasty little demons. They will take your mind and spirit. I'm not here to advertise anything. I just thought my experience might help.
When I was detoxing my leg and knee pain was terrible! I could not sleep or eat. Fortunately my husband was there to rub my legs. After I made it past the 3-4 day period I found that the only way for ME to stay clean was to help others. I placed a small ad in our local newspaper offering to help persons addicted to pain meds. The response was unbelievable! I never realized how many people have this problem. I should back up for a moment to tell you what led me to placing the ad (sorry). When I was going through detox I wanted someone to talk to. I did not want to go into a program because this would let everyone know the problem I had. Plus I think a lot of them are in for the money only! I just needed a friend who had been through the same thing and made it out. I watched a movie called Sweet November and got the idea of how to help others as a way to help myself. I set down one day and put together a program based on what I needed during detox. Since I am a certified massage therapist I decided to center it on helping with the cramps and back pain. Now I'm back to the placing the ad part... I then placed my ad and decided to take only 2 women. One of them was hydro the other oxy's. Please note: I charged nothing for this except for the price of their room and meals. The two women came with me to a local hotel for 3 night's and 4 days. The first day was spent swimming relaxing in the Jacuzzi facial and body massages. At night we ordered pizza had wine and watched a great movie. Throuout the night I was there for them. Since sleep can be hard due to cramps I was their to massage the legs, back and knees.
We went through the next 2 days crying,exersing, crying, many many massage, crying and going out for dinner, crying, and having some fun to.. Well, ... I'm sure you get it. To date, I've seen over 200 people get clean and stay clean! I've also seen many fail. In the end it's up to the person wanting a better way. The first 3-4 days can be very bad! I found being with company through this stage helps tremendously. I hope you all can be strong enough to get trough this. There is a better life on the other side! You can do it and you will be so proud looking into the mirror each morning. Try to help others as a way to help yourself it truly works.
Much Love
Cindy
I am 6 days ahead of you and I know exactly how you feel. Good news again! Tommorrow's gonna be even better.
My pain today is less than ever - my anxiety is low or non existent, and I am starting to feel - well,,,GOOD!
Yes you heard it. Ok, so you may be different - it could start happenning tommorrow!
The sleep thing is the hardest - I agree. Tell you what I do. I keep an 800mg Ibuprofren by my bed, and when I wake up, usually at 4:00 am, I take it, and I can usually get back to sleep for an hour or so.
Look at this way, Are you gonna have some time off for the Christmas break? Likely yes. Just do what you gotta do to get to that point, OK. You may be suffering from lack of sleep, Ok, so you are. But everyday will get better and better, just remember that.
Also, alternatively, turn on any movie by Barbara Streisand - you'll be sawing logs in no time ;-).
As a last resort, my dr. gave me some Trazadone, which I used successfully for a while to get added sleep. It did not helpp me stop waking up at 4:40am, like I have been. But I did sleep non-stop until then, so...
I think it is fairly non-addictive and is mild, so no wild mood swings and the like.
Good luck. One more thing, when you're up at night, try talking to God. He's on 24x7....
Rex
Yes, I just made a selfish statement - deal with it. I need every single person that comes to this board to.......come to this board.
It has been the only thing that has helped me get off the "Norco Noreaster".
Tell you what, if we have attitudes, we'll all go paintballing sometime, and I will kick the living ****....Oh.......sorry.
I'll win.
LLLLLOOOOOVVVVVEEEEE to ALL of you guys and wishing the fruitcakes aint made from driveway spackle...
Rex
we are the best at what ever we want to do.
we have tunnle vision , we get foucosed on one thing,
then we win the medal, the award
it we cant win we dont play.
it's one extreem or the other.
addicts are the best at something, even if it is being
the the worst, we are the best at that to.
peace 316
Thomas
rex - i can tell you are a born again Christian. i've mentioned before that i was raised in the church, baptised, everything....it was a way of life for me. but right now I am MAD at religion, doctrine, and God. just plain MAD. I'm so jaded with it all. how do you have faith? what has the Lord DONE for you to make you so vocal? this is testimony night.....PLEASE don't take me the wrong way...i am well versed in what the bible says....i'm not intending to sound sarcastic, not at all. but i'm being honest....what has God done for you in regards to your religion that makes you so vocal about it? it's such a mystery to me. this may not be applicable to this forum. if not, email me at ***@****.
Keep asking questions and just don't let the brain fog get to ya!
Try to find the Thomas recipe,it works.Take it easy tonight!
bmac
In many ways the Bible is like the most perfect diamond you could ever hope to see. No matter which angle you look at, you see perfection.
The 4 Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John corroborate one another. All prophesies from the old testament were fulfilled by Jesus. And if you want the real world concrete proof that so many Americans seem to want, satellites as we speak are tracking what they think is Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat.
So what is the alternative? Evolution??!!! I mean it isn't even good science! But the school systems stick with it - you know why? "Cause they got nothin else! See my post to 2bePainfree about how if the big bang really happened, an explosion would cause all objects to rotate in the same direction. Why do 3 of the planets in our solar system rotate in an opposite direction not to mention the moons going the other way! Every single prediction that starts out with the phrase "Billions of years ago" fails to take into account that if the earth were covered in water, uh, well, like, uh, the Bible says it was during the flood, then these numbers would be much lower. Much lower, like around 5 or 6 thousand years old. another one - "if man is a Billion years old" like the evolutionists say they are, we do we only have written records (in any language now) dating back to ....you guessed it, about 6 thousand years?!
I mean, come on. Come on!!?? We came for some sludge? Look at the intracies of the human body. One human cell has more intelligence than all of the combined supercomputers in the world times 10 million according to Newsweek (or Time?). All things in our Universe tend towards decay. All of em. leave something, and it decays. But NOOOO! Not with evolution - the one place and theory where this rule is broken - the opposite happens! Eventually, a plain rock will evolve into a Sony walkman! yeah, I see walkmans washing up on the beach everyday!
Let me say this - it takes a heckuva lot more faith to believe in evolution, of which there is no evidence, just theory and bad science, than it does to believe in Jesus and God, of which there is Terabytes upon Terabytes of concrete documented, corroborated evidence that suggests this:
God made us. God is in control. God gave us everything - we blew it. we have to pay with our lives. Only a perfect sacrifice will do. God has a Son, and because of his love, in spite of how we are, He paid the price. All we have to do is accept the gift and believe. God doesn't want any to go to hell, but a rejection of his perfect gift will mean he turns his back on you - for eternity. (The eternity thing, is the single scariest concept I have ever heard of, BTW)
Yeah, I believe in God and Christ. But one thing I realized is that God almost never works on Hungry man Frozen dinner time. The Bible says "His ways are not our ways". It also says "for God, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day". Although not documented in the Bible, I happen to believe that God Himself is outside the concept and restraints of time itself. We cannot undertstand this of course - most of can't even figure out a TV remote or how to get the winshield washers to come on. But the school system and the media say "Man is it! He is sovereign. He can do anything he sets his mind to". I know myself, and that cannot be true.
Many is us treat God like a beeper. When things are goin good, are we there praising and thanking - nope! When things are bad though, we expect Him to appear like a Jeannie in a disney movie and snap his fingers and make things right, so that we can go back to our number one pastime - looking out for ourselves!
Belle,
1) Pray to God, and ask for forgiveness
2) Realize THAT HE CAN DO ANYTHING!
3) Accept that it will likely not happen on your timetable, but his
4) Know that every indication of current events in Israel coincides with Biblical predictions. Time is short...
I pray for you everyday.
Rex
just thought i would ask where is kip? he has the most knowledge
out there for people in need of drug detox,he has been thru it all and i have not seen any of his posts as of late. well hope all is well for all you readers, hope you all have a merry christmas. take care. tce37
Now I'm on my worst binge ever, I have been taking Xanax, Ativan, Bromazepam but have since talked to a doctor who has switched me over to Valium so I can successfully taper down and I've been able to take 1/2 of a pill (5 mg.) in the morning, 5 mg. in the evening, and 10 mg. before bed. I was taking upwards of 6-8 mg. of Xanax daily before, but I've only been taking benzos for a couple of weeks thankfully and I'm hoping to get off of them quickly. I've done this whole damn thing before, went through the hell of coming off of them (3 month usage, quit cold) and I cannot believe I started taking them again, but family problems precipitated taking them again. You know what happened? I have become MORE depressed than ever taking those damn benzos, I have noticed that benzos actually cause depression, along with reducing anxiety. So I will choose anxiety over depression.
Now, I have a Norco habit of 6-10 per day, along with 4-6 Soma. I feel very ill. I have contacted a suicide center to get the ball rolling because I honestly don't know if I can make it on my own anymore. I escape reality in pills, but who here doesn't? Why in the hell is my story any different than anyone else's? I see so many of us who need help, and the ratio of thos who can offer help to those who REALLY need help is kind of off balanced. I'm really at a loss. I used to post, but I started reading one particular person stating since she had seniority, she was entitled to make comments regarding others situations and didn't have to exercise any restraint in her postings. This sounds so high-schoolish, and I really can't stand high-schoolish stuff, so I just decided to go away and find outside support, but there are so many very cool, unique, creative and wonderful people here that I felt I would like to re-connect with, even though I never connected with anyone to begin with.
Do you ever get to the point where you know you are either going to die or to go through hell to get to live? That's where I am, plain and simple. I know that my life seems to have little meaning except for my two girls who are my entire world (11 and 12) - I can honestly say that I put aside the bullshit and am a good mom for them. I don't ever get to the point where you can tell I've been taking drugs. I have a high tolerance that it seems as if no matter how much I take (I know I can't take any more than a certain amount without becoming ill), I don't feel 'good' anymore. I'm way past that point. So if anyone reading thinks that they can take hydro, benzos, whatever drug of choice they choose in moderation, it will come to a point of escalation and they will eventually feel ill, they will eventually not get high anymore, and the bad guy who used to be your good friend will always be knocking at your door and you will no longer want to hang with him anymore, but he starts becoming a necessary evil.
Drugs have slowly eroded my natural endorphins, I'm perpetually depressed. I don't care if I sound as if I can't take it, because I can't anymore. I don't know what to do.
I agree that there are certain people that chase people away here, but there was only one who did it, I don't know where in the hell someone thinks that they can chastize others for doing things that they themselves do, such hypocrisy.
I don't mean to sound so horrible, I'm actually a very caring, loving human being who absolutely adores others. My family and I are going to spend Xmas dinner helping those who are less fortunate, there but for the grace of God go I. It's a true saying, no personal back patting, it's just the fact that that's the only thing that allows me to keep going right now. I'm still taking Norco's, now Valium and Soma and I feel worse than ever. It doesn't make me feel so good anymore, it makes me feel like total ****, so why in the hell do I do it?? Because I would feel worse without it, if that's possible.
Sorry for the pity party, but I have no where else to turn. I would love to help someone if I can - maybe by not starting this **** to begin with because once you start, you may feel so good, but it's only a matter of time (and a very short time at that) before you start feeling worse than you could ever imagine, and that's with taking the pain killers, benzos, muscle relaxers, etc.
I don't look forward to Christmas this year, everything looks muted and gray. Why? Is there any way to restore what once was? This post was only meant to maybe steer someone clear of thinking about continuing their drug usage (that may be a fruitless task) - depression, illness and loss of life is the only things to look forward to.
Honestly, my thoughts are with every one of you who are going through rough times and are trying to successfully quit. You are doing the right thing. Continuing the battle is do-able, but please find the resources necessary for re-building a clean, healthy lifestyle.
I don't believe that quitting is possible without finding an alternative. I think that finding something (like volunteering) can re-inforce your feelings of self-worth and keep you away from the drugs. I will keep everyone in my prayers (I won't mention which God I pray to to keep religion neutral) and thoughts.
Anyhow, I am trying desperately to get myself off of these little devils by Jan 1st per REX's post. We all need each other, so many of you are an inspiration to me, GWH, Hippee, BMAC, OneStep, KIP, and all the newcomers there's too many to list! Keep an angel on your shoulder today. CTG.
I am starting my detox tonight. Last stadol puff when i go to bed! I am siked and ready but terrified as well!
Peace and love to you all!
Suzie
P.S. I basicaly stopped posting here cuz of that person who flamed me so much. But now that she is gone i will be back. Thank you for being here for me!
If the pharmacies "red flagged" me, I may not have ended up in the mess I was in...unlikely though. Believe it or not, it's for your own good. They're audited on their narcotic dispension & stand to lose a lot should they continue to hand out bottles of pills to the same person every couple of days. I wont go into how I managed to get my pills & pretty much never run out. I feel that my purpose is better served to help those get clean that want to, rather than assist those looking to mantain an uninterrupted addiction. Point is, getting clean is the best thing for everybody here that has yet to be. Staying clean is best for those of us who are. I'm not "bashing" you for your questioning because I'm sure if I didn't have the resources at the time to keep myself medicated, I'd be asking the same thing.
I think your idea is GREAT regarding the support group. Unfortunately, I'm in Southern California & that commute would be a tad much. A support group for prescription drug abusers would be far better, in my opinion, than your average NA meeting. Simply because we all share or have shared the same experiences to some point. Talking to crack addicts or speed heads really has little to do with our problems other than the common ground that all addicts share. Get that together & keep us updated. It will be very benificial to your recovery!!!
Peace to you and your taper success!
Suzie
Cindy and Phil, i suspect there will be more coming back 0uta the woodwork now. If they haven't left for good that is!
However, I must agree in part to what body mechanic has been saying. Build a forum and fill it with drug addicts and what do you get? - a group of people whose emotions will yoyo wildly, and will be in a perpetual bad mood ;-). So for everyone who reads these flaming posts, I would suggest that you reach out and grip reality firmly - it's gonna happen.
Since I have been coming to this forum, the folks who are flaming others are a distinct minority. The vast majority of users here are doing one of two things or both:
Asking for help
giving help
Autumnrose, please listen to me. It will be extremely helpful for you to tell yourself this. "These thoughts are not by normal thoughts, this behavior is not by normal behavior, and once I find a way off the drugs, I will think normally again and be happy". Treat it like any other disease which will make you feel bad. Devote your time and effort to the cure, knowing that things will improve and you'll be back to your normal self once you find that cure.
I guess you realize now that you cannot do this alone nor can any of us. I was not here when you were here before, but I'm here now and I will pray for you, and help you in any way I can.
There is a very large group of us here on this forum that are working through this together. Please hang with us and hopefully we can help you -- you can help us.
Rex
It is not even worth elaborating on...
Like I said, I am glad you are here.
Motocross huh? Sounds like you have a great career. if you feel bad about the pills killing your career, have you ever thought that maybe Someone gave you this addiction to stop the motocross from killing you?
I see this extreme motocross and think - this is nuts! I mean I was pretty good wakeboarder for 5 years and it absolutely destoyed my body and that was on water! I am starting to change my mind on these extreme sports. It seems as though someone may (stress "may") be trading lifelong pain and crippling injuries for cash/fame. Of course the same could be said for football.
Is is worth it? Only the individual can make that decision. If you have a career doing movies then I am insanely jealous. I mean, I once knew a guy that had a sister whose hairdressers dentist knew a girl whose doctor has a patient that a bit part in a Taco Bell commercial. Such is my brush with fame!;-)
Thanks for being here, and just remember these famous words:
"Just remember, wherever you go in life, there you are!"
Rex
"Was it worth it?"
ABSOLUTELY!!! I have a huge house that's totally paid for, I have 3 trucks, a Harley etc. I even bought my fiance a brand new Corvette last weekned...cash. So yea...sad as it is to say, it was well worth it. I just signed the contracts last night to do some riding in the Fast & the Furious Part 2 movie that will start shooting next month. I've also been approached to do a new movie called Torque. The money is GREAT!!! The addiction part was not worth it but your take on it was very enlightening. I have drifted far, far away from God over the years & have just started heading back His direction. I never thought that maybe He (God has to be a man...how else to you explain motorcycles & trucks...HA!) took my career away before I died. I've had a handful of friends die riding & always thought that that would be the way I'd want to go...not anymore. I want to go sitting in my rocking chair at the ripe ole age of 100 or so. GREAT POINT REX...YOU ROCK!!!
Although I am nowhere near you financially, and to some degree live paycheck to paycheck, I do have a house that I have 33% paid for, and live in San Diego, which you do not! HA back at ya! Picture this -- it literally rains < 10 days a year here, and if I had to take a guess I would say 250 days out of the 360 days in the year, it is between 74.5 degrees and 76.5 degrees outside.HA, HA, and double HA! (See what drugs due to your mind?) It is pretty pathetic that this is all I have to come back to your original Post isn't it?
And then I remember, Oh yeah, according to the Bible, all the stuff is in going to burn anyway.
I have been rich and I have been poor. I cannot say that I was happier being poor or rich, I can only say that I was happier when I was young, before I got into any substances, and life was pure. Of course at the time I did not realize that both of my parents were alcoholics, and that one day I would stand a 75 percent chance or better of becoming one myself based on my family history.
The following concept has been presented to me by different sources over the past two years many many times.
"Everything that is happening in your life -- God is either making it happen, or allowing it to happen"
This jives with the biblical concept that God has a plan for your life, and you know what?
His plan is so much better than my plan, that it's almost funny.
I could be wrong, but I hear just a little sorrow in your words, about the loss of a career due to pills. And the only thing I can offer to you as a consoltation, is that, potentially now, maybe this was all part of the plan for your life. Do you believe that God's plan is better than your plan? I really struggle with this sometimes because I'm the type of person who makes things happen, who kicks open doors that were locked, who believes all that sing-songy **** about putting your dreams in the sky, and then building the foundations under it.
Be thankful that you own more than the doorknobs and countertops in your house, and also keep this in mind. To fulfill your dream, all you have to do is buy the rocking chair, and wait 72 years.
However, you will also find yourself hanging out at these all you eat places, eating dinner at 4:40 pm, bitchin about politics all day, and being alarmingly concerned about when the last time you had a bowel movement was! ;-)
Ah, growing old - so much to look forward to.....
Rex
Although I am nowhere near you financially, and to some degree live paycheck to paycheck, I do have a house that I have 33% paid for, and live in San Diego, which you do not! HA back at ya! Picture this -- it literally rains < 10 days a year here, and if I had to take a guess I would say 250 days out of the 360 days in the year, it is between 74.5 degrees and 76.5 degrees outside.HA, HA, and double HA! (See what drugs due to your mind?) It is pretty pathetic that this is all I have to come back to your original Post isn't it?
And then I remember, Oh yeah, according to the Bible, all the stuff is in going to burn anyway.
I have been rich and I have been poor. I cannot say that I was happier being poor or rich, I can only say that I was happier when I was young, before I got into any substances, and life was pure. Of course at the time I did not realize that both of my parents were alcoholics, and that one day I would stand a 75 percent chance or better of becoming one myself based on my family history.
The following concept has been presented to me by different sources over the past two years many many times.
"Everything that is happening in your life -- God is either making it happen, or allowing it to happen"
This jives with the biblical concept that God has a plan for your life, and you know what?
His plan is so much better than my plan, that it's almost funny.
I could be wrong, but I hear just a little sorrow in your words, about the loss of a career due to pills. And the only thing I can offer to you as a consoltation, is that, potentially now, maybe this was all part of the plan for your life. Do you believe that God's plan is better than your plan? I really struggle with this sometimes because I'm the type of person who makes things happen, who kicks open doors that were locked, who believes all that sing-songy **** about putting your dreams in the sky, and then building the foundations under it.
Be thankful that you own more than the doorknobs and countertops in your house, and also keep this in mind. To fulfill your dream, all you have to do is buy the rocking chair, and wait 72 years.
However, you will also find yourself hanging out at these all you eat places, eating dinner at 4:40 pm, bitchin about politics all day, and being alarmingly concerned about when the last time you had a bowel movement was! ;-)
Ah, growing old - so much to look forward to.....
Rex
Although I am nowhere near you financially, and to some degree live paycheck to paycheck, I do have a house that I have 33% paid for, and live in San Diego, which you do not! HA back at ya! Picture this -- it literally rains < 10 days a year here, and if I had to take a guess I would say 250 days out of the 360 days in the year, it is between 74.5 degrees and 76.5 degrees outside.HA, HA, and double HA! (See what drugs due to your mind?) It is pretty pathetic that this is all I have to come back to your original Post isn't it?
And then I remember, Oh yeah, according to the Bible, all the stuff is in going to burn anyway.
I have been rich and I have been poor. I cannot say that I was happier being poor or rich, I can only say that I was happier when I was young, before I got into any substances, and life was pure. Of course at the time I did not realize that both of my parents were alcoholics, and that one day I would stand a 75 percent chance or better of becoming one myself based on my family history.
The following concept has been presented to me by different sources over the past two years many many times.
"Everything that is happening in your life -- God is either making it happen, or allowing it to happen"
This jives with the biblical concept that God has a plan for your life, and you know what?
His plan is so much better than my plan, that it's almost funny.
I could be wrong, but I hear just a little sorrow in your words, about the loss of a career due to pills. And the only thing I can offer to you as a consoltation, is that, potentially now, maybe this was all part of the plan for your life. Do you believe that God's plan is better than your plan? I really struggle with this sometimes because I'm the type of person who makes things happen, who kicks open doors that were locked, who believes all that sing-songy **** about putting your dreams in the sky, and then building the foundations under it.
Be thankful that you own more than the doorknobs and countertops in your house, and also keep this in mind. To fulfill your dream, all you have to do is buy the rocking chair, and wait 72 years.
However, you will also find yourself hanging out at these all you eat places, eating dinner at 4:40 pm, bitchin about politics all day, and being alarmingly concerned about when the last time you had a bowel movement was! ;-)
Ah, growing old - so much to look forward to.....
Rex
Although I am nowhere near you financially, and to some degree live paycheck to paycheck, I do have a house that I have 33% paid for, and live in San Diego, which you do not! HA back at ya! Picture this -- it literally rains < 10 days a year here, and if I had to take a guess I would say 250 days out of the 360 days in the year, it is between 74.5 degrees and 76.5 degrees outside.HA, HA, and double HA! (See what drugs due to your mind?) It is pretty pathetic that this is all I have to come back to your original Post isn't it?
And then I remember, Oh yeah, according to the Bible, all the stuff is in going to burn anyway.
I have been rich and I have been poor. I cannot say that I was happier being poor or rich, I can only say that I was happier when I was young, before I got into any substances, and life was pure. Of course at the time I did not realize that both of my parents were alcoholics, and that one day I would stand a 75 percent chance or better of becoming one myself based on my family history.
The following concept has been presented to me by different sources over the past two years many many times.
"Everything that is happening in your life -- God is either making it happen, or allowing it to happen"
This jives with the biblical concept that God has a plan for your life, and you know what?
His plan is so much better than my plan, that it's almost funny.
I could be wrong, but I hear just a little sorrow in your words, about the loss of a career due to pills. And the only thing I can offer to you as a consoltation, is that, potentially now, maybe this was all part of the plan for your life. Do you believe that God's plan is better than your plan? I really struggle with this sometimes because I'm the type of person who makes things happen, who kicks open doors that were locked, who believes all that sing-songy **** about putting your dreams in the sky, and then building the foundations under it.
Be thankful that you own more than the doorknobs and countertops in your house, and also keep this in mind. To fulfill your dream, all you have to do is buy the rocking chair, and wait 72 years.
However, you will also find yourself hanging out at these all you eat places, eating dinner at 4:40 pm, bitchin about politics all day, and being alarmingly concerned about when the last time you had a bowel movement was! ;-)
Ah, growing old - so much to look forward to.....
Rex
Rex
I live in beautiful LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA so HA back at ya!!!
I'm only up the coast 100 miles or so & I don't have T.J. ruining my veiw or Marine helicopters buzzing my house!!! So HA HA HA!!!
My plan has kicked butt...well not all of it obviously but for the most part. But I can't take all the credit. God has always been there & always will. WE will get through together. I don't feel too bad about my career. It paid off well & I still see the benifits of it everyday. I, just like most here, feel worse about the addiction...but that is TOTALLY shadowed by my acomplishments. Thanks for caring.
P.S. You only have to hit "post comment" once...I would've seen it....HA HA HA HA!!!
FINISHED
Why don't we do this. Extend your offer to GRyhm and financing and his buddy and we will both support him and his friend getting sober.
The travel costs to Philadelphia are sure to be expensive. Plus, I had VIP passes in '97 when the Xgames were in San Diego.
Instead, work out something where I could come and see some of the work you do for the fast and furious 2. Now that would be the ultimate! I actually live in Temecula, which is only about 90 minutes from Long Beach, or the L.A. area. Or if you're in a contest I would love to bring my brother who is a motocross freak and just watch you compete.
My story is that I am quickly approaching 21 days of sobriety, detoxing from a 3year Vicodin habit. I started on the 24th of November. I must tell you folks -- every day gets a little better although my back is still killing me.
I truly appreciate the offer. and how about together we concentrate on helping these two guys who need it.
you can do it guys!
Rex
Temecula huh? There used to be some good riding out there. I actually just bought my Mom a house in Carbon Canyon which is the canyon between Brea & Chino so were actually pretty close. I've got a full supercross track, 6 ramps & a full freestyle course on that property that Rich Winkler built. (He's the guy that does ALL of the Supercross tracks for the AMA) So...anytime you & your bro wanna come out, I can arrange a "party" of sorts. I'll make some calls & get some other pros out there so it wont just be my old broken butt riding around. Of course I'll have to let my Mom stay at MY house that day because she's getting old & hates watching me ride. We'll have to plan it after the Holidays though...I've gotta go to Missouri & freeze for a couple of weeks.
The Fast & the Furious 2 has started filming but I wont actually be working on it until February. I will be more than happy to get you & your brother on-set & hang out. I wont be doing any contests other than the X-GAMES qualifying events until after the filming. Gotta stay healthy ya know...
I'll let you know my schedule...we have a couple of local deals so I'll get you guys out for that as well.
That is VERY COOL of you to offer a hand in the recovery of G & his buddy. You're cool people. Hey, not that it really matters, but are you male or female. I just don't wanna say you're a cool guy or gal & offend.
SEE YA SOON & TALK TO YA SOONER,
FINISHED!
P.S. Rex, read the other post regarding my book idea & tell me what you think. I've come to value your opinion. Thanks!!!
Rex1 & Finished - you 2 are great, as Finished I also put my body through physical hell when I was young back in the early 70's before you could make money doing it and the rush it gives you is better than any drug. As Rex refers, you put a bunch of highly charged personalities together that also happen to be addicts hell yeah things will get emotional. THATS WHAT IS SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN!
The main thing is keep doing it and we will all learn from each other!
Thanks for the compliment. I'm really sincere in my intentions & hope I, along with REX & the rest of you, can help.
Teeitup? Golfer? I've just started about a year ago...talk about addictive. I actually hit the range so often, I broke a finger...golfing!!! I tell ya, I just can't win.
Rose,
Tee is right...you are at an all time low & just logging on will help...all of us. We need to know that you're O.K.
this is tce37 and i live in gary,ind e-mail me and we can talk about legal recourse at the pharmacys. ***@****, also might be able to help each other?
have a nice day tce37
Support each other over the weekend, and here's some inspiration for you. I am on day 19, and by far was the best day yet since Detox.
the anxiety is really fading, the depression is gone (could come back, I know) and the back is better, but still hurting.
It can be done! And when you get here things are better - much better!
I'll pray for you guys....
Rex
However, I had made a copy of the Thomas Recipe and went and saw my Dr. and told him it was time for me to detox, he wrote out scripts for 5 mg valium, levison (cramps) and clonidine. I then had my wife pick up the vitamins and every thing else on the list. May God Bless who ever came up with this recipe, I have been following the recipe to the letter. I am in day 6 without any opiate at all. I am not running a mile, I don't feel great, but with the help of the recipe and you people on this board, I feel pretty good. I even went to an NA meeting this morning and did a little shopping. I am weak and have to let time go by. No matter what I don't pick up. I really thought it would be two weeks before I could even function. So, tomorrow is day 7. This has been the mildest withdrawl I have ever had. My thanks to all of you who have shared thier honesty, fears and reality of how hard it is to get off these legal drugs. Most importantly, to stay off and deal with life on lifes terms. That includes my legitimate injuries. Thanks again to everyone who has shared in this forum. Otherwise, I would still be planning day 1 of detox.
I hope we see you frequently here and please share your progress with us.
Everyday gets better. (But don't forget, your one pill away from the trap door - they say in AA, "It's the first drink that gets you drunk".)
One thing that helped me is to physically write with my own hand a promise to myself and God not take any painkillers for 2002-2003. I know from experience with Alcohol that that will be more than enough time to get my clear thinking and with God's help, I'll be good after that.
Nice to have you posting here...
Rex
Awesome job!!! Don't minimize your accomplishments.
I've also come off a pretty hefty Oxy(oxycodone) habit, and next week it will be 4 months off those percolators; and what i will share with you, after about the three week mark, recovery/energy/recuperation seems to be exponential.
Continued strength to you.
Percs No More
(name change for home cmpt)
I want to thank you all SINCERELY from the bottom of my heart for your words of wisdom and support. I've been having some bad computer problems and I may not be posting for the next several days or more while my husband re-does the entire computer (takes it all off and puts it all back on - hard drive related - hmmm, there could be some innuendos in those words), but I wanted to issue a genuine hearfelt thanks - you all mean a lot to me and I'm going to need some cyber buds while I go through what I do. I'm also thinking about going into a detox facility, I don't know if that's a good idea or bad, I would imagine it would be dependant upon the facility, but it's an idea that's been presented to me by someone who has been through this as well and it helped her. She said that the doctor she goes to was addicted to benzos for 20+ years and understands firsthand what addiction really is, so maybe this will be of help. I've only been taking the benzos for a couple of weeks, but have taken them before -- my main problem is Norco, and of course the aftercare is what matters the most. I can get over the w/d's, but ensuring that I have positive reinforcements and keeping busy is what matters in the months to come after detoxing. I've read and heard that willpower is bunk - you have to have something of importance to replace what you were previously doing, something that will help you feel that what you're doing matters somehow.
I want to give support here as well - anyone who needs a friend and support buddy, I'm here for you. I just have to now give up the computer to my girls before my husband re-does the computer. Thanks again all for being here and so insightful. I'm going to read all of the posts before signing off - my prayers and thoughts are with all of you right now.
Will be checking back in soon hopefully.
Pray for me, thank you!
Suzie
Peace to you all'
Suzie
Love/Peace Have a good night. Lisabet
The pills ran out and I for one didnt want to spend Christmas under any power then of the beliefs that i have. The 6 kids that we have here won't be seeing as many gifts maybe seeing that I couldnt make it into work all week and most of last week.
Joy and peace comes from within and NOT from the out. I first started my detox with booze and my the look on my wife and kids faces , I knew that wasnt gonna work. inpatient detox , me? no way.. been there done that w/ alcohol 2 many times. So I appologize this is way too long and i'll try to make it quik. I did the Thomas Recipe, but I was missing the number one ingredient until last night . my doctor, who I told I was finished taking pain medication and explained I hadnt slept in 3 days and nights prescribed me 7 10mg valiums. So ATLAST I was able to sleep and probably is the reason I finally was able to post here. thx all peace
Please visit here often, OK?
The worstphysical pain will be over soon. Pick a date 3 weeks from today and know that that day, things will be much better.
Are you hitting the hot tub, taking hot showers and distracting yourself?
Rex
I have to make my AA meeing this afternoon, wish me luck cuz I know who's gonna give the lead, some of them say we should stick to just drinking when it comes to be our turn. But today they can kiss u know what. I'm an union ironworker by trade and i need strength , balance and steady hands at times. I really feel guilty, cuz my wife is at her work today and she's a hair dresser. DAMN i make pretty good money and the only one i could think of was me during the last 2 weeks. I could of somehow came up with more pills until my regular pick-up at the drug store. But, i believe i am doing the right thing for myself. somehow , somewhere the money will come for all the kids we have for christmas. One more think drinking always isolated me from God and my loved ones, and I believe chasing that next pill did the same. Also plz forgive me if i talk of my higher power , i know it might affend some. Also REX thx ... 3 weeks is shall be, but I'm aiming for 2 :-]
Teeitup!
(my water bill will be more than my house note from all the baths)
Jesus that is.
Merry Christmas and God's Grace to you...
Rex
and thx Tee , i have found a place of rest here
thats for sure :)
Rex
Thomas
Call forth everything you have read here as a weapon in your struggle, and remember and feel the pain your going through.
In other words, make this the first and last time you go thru detox.
I post here a lot, but I do have a life. But coming here frequently lets me see how much pain these drugs cause people - I had no idea until I found this forum.
Many here who have helped me have left or been banned. Many are still here. It is likely that you too will go from the addict crying out for help and feeling the edge of the sword, to the person helping others with the same.
And as Steven Tyler from Aerosmith wrote in a song "There comes that moment when ya know you're gonna be alright..."
So here it is - brace yourself. You have three more days of hell, then another week of semi-hell, and then well, things will really improve.
Just in time for your "New Year".
I'll be here for that day - you have my word.
God's Love and Grace while you go through this....but everyday gets better!
Rex
KIM
You can use prayer for the other 50...
Hope your son feels better, and you as well. These next two days will be rough, but it will break soon...
Good luck!
Rex
ps You may want to turn CAPS off. All CAPS means that your shouting (in E-speak).
However, it may be that you actually feel that way, in which case, please continue in caps - my first week tapering was just like that.
A week in ALL CAPS!!!!!!!! ;-)
Just read your comment on how you are helping others with your service. I commend you... That is very courageous to do especially when you have your own addiction to deal with. It is true that sometimes helping others keeps your mind off of your own misery and can even help you to overcome it. Those people were very lucky to have you, I wish that I had been one of them. Dealing with withdrawals alone is not an easy thing to do. I wish you luck on staying clean, I know that Jesus is looking down at you and smiling...
S.