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SUB VS. VIC'S
Okay, I'll just go ahead and ask...even though I p.m.d flmagi about sub and she answered me so eloquently (thanks magi)I shouldn't have a question but this is one I don't get. I am ignorant. Yep, that's me. But I have to ask;
What's the difference? Take Sub or take Vic's? What's the difference? I don't get it....is the difference you take just one Sub vs 10 vic's in a day? One drug for another...?
My name is Newgirl and I'm ignorant...
Thanks for your patience, thanks for your responses...
p.s.
I'm sure I'm not the only one with this question...
What's the difference? Take Sub or take Vic's? What's the difference? I don't get it....is the difference you take just one Sub vs 10 vic's in a day? One drug for another...?
My name is Newgirl and I'm ignorant...
Thanks for your patience, thanks for your responses...
p.s.
I'm sure I'm not the only one with this question...
i couldn]t have said it any better...THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT...you will never know how much we appreciate it...
Suboxone can keep people from dying...getting murdered on the streets getting street drugs...can help stop a potential overdose...it is controlled...hopefully ..and would get u off the streets and spending tons of money...not all are in this situation...some have scripts/doctor shopped/still illegal...but them or trade with friends when out..but are not in big danger,,,perhaps people on a 100 mg dose of hydro/oxy a day could try tapering or quitting first,,,then the sub is always out there iff they can not stay clean..then when and if u decide to taper your sub and quit...you will face some wds...main thing is you need to be ready to face the world clean..aftercare and all is so important..a month on sub will not keep u clean forever...long term us is a different story and i can understand implications for it...it has saved their lives and let the live again...a short term taper in a month...u wil still have life and all of its monsters screaming at u to use...look at it long term..that is hard when u r in fear of the flu/wds right this minute...educate yourself..it is a wonderdrug for some and another withdrawal for others...educate and make a choice based on you..quitting is a long process with paws even up to a year or more for some
ok...i apologize...i really thought you were implying other wise. i'm sorry.
i am sending you a PM...
i am sending you a PM...
Your second paragraph is exactly what I said recovery is,,,my point was that JUST taking sub is not recovery,,recovery is doing all the things you listed and if using sub helps you to accomplish these things then thats great but JUST taking sub and doing nothing else is not recovery.
well that is your opinion, sub IS recovery, i AM in recovery. even some AA/NA groups even see it as a form of recovery...
just taking a suboxone does not CURE addiction,as we all know there is no cure, it still takes work, therapy, meetings and having the desire and ability to change EVERYTHING about your life and behaviors. and dealing with core issues that led you to addiction to begin with.
there is no easy way out...
just taking a suboxone does not CURE addiction,as we all know there is no cure, it still takes work, therapy, meetings and having the desire and ability to change EVERYTHING about your life and behaviors. and dealing with core issues that led you to addiction to begin with.
there is no easy way out...
i was on 24mgs suboxone for about 6 months, it let my life normalise again, you dont feel any high on it but it stops yoy withdrawing and gives you space to change your behaviour. its pretty hard to come off, need to do it slowly but its a safe drug and may work well for you but its not for everyone but its good to have choice good luck wharever you decide louise
I"ve heard success storys on short term sub and the jurys still out till someone comes off long term but sub is NOT recovery. If you really think your an addict then sub deals with avoiding wds or bad wds from drugs but again ,,if you claim addiction then drugs are just one of the symtoms of addiction and sub suppossedly deals with this by taking away cravings but in no way will taking sub result in recovery from addiction. What you do to arrest your addiction while using a sub will determine your future,,not just being abstinant.Eliminating the behaviors that Mary listed is certainly a step in the right direction as far as the drug part of addiction goes.
maybe this will also help...
What’s this agonist / antagonist stuff?
This is an important concept, it is why Buprenorphine is so unique as a treatment medication.
An agonist is a drug that activates certain receptors in the brain. Full agonist opioids activate the opioid receptors in the brain fully resulting in the full opioid effect. Examples of full agonists are heroin, oxycodone, methadone, hydrocodone, morphine, opium and others.
An antagonist is a drug that blocks opioids by attaching to the opioid receptors without activating them. Antagonists cause no opioid effect and block full agonist opioids. Examples are naltrexone and naloxone. Naloxone is sometimes used to reverse a heroin overdose.
Buprenorphine is a partial agonist meaning, it activates the opioid receptors in the brain, but to a much lesser degree then a full agonist.
Buprenorphine also acts as an antagonist, meaning it blocks other opioids, while allowing for some opioid effect of its own to suppress withdrawal symptoms and cravings.
This is why it would be misleading to classify buprenorphine as a replacement therapy. It would be equally misleading to classify it solely as an opioid blocker. Buprenorphine is in a category of its own and therefore should not be seen as “replacement” for anything else
What’s this agonist / antagonist stuff?
This is an important concept, it is why Buprenorphine is so unique as a treatment medication.
An agonist is a drug that activates certain receptors in the brain. Full agonist opioids activate the opioid receptors in the brain fully resulting in the full opioid effect. Examples of full agonists are heroin, oxycodone, methadone, hydrocodone, morphine, opium and others.
An antagonist is a drug that blocks opioids by attaching to the opioid receptors without activating them. Antagonists cause no opioid effect and block full agonist opioids. Examples are naltrexone and naloxone. Naloxone is sometimes used to reverse a heroin overdose.
Buprenorphine is a partial agonist meaning, it activates the opioid receptors in the brain, but to a much lesser degree then a full agonist.
Buprenorphine also acts as an antagonist, meaning it blocks other opioids, while allowing for some opioid effect of its own to suppress withdrawal symptoms and cravings.
This is why it would be misleading to classify buprenorphine as a replacement therapy. It would be equally misleading to classify it solely as an opioid blocker. Buprenorphine is in a category of its own and therefore should not be seen as “replacement” for anything else
Thank you girls...that does answer some of it. I mean it completely answers what Sub does for you...completely. I think that that's wonderful and an option...but I'm doing pretty gooooddd/kinda/attimes/goood right now. It has taken me a very long time to get here, it's gonna maybe take a little longer to get outta here.
Thanks again, you are truely the best!
NG
Thanks again, you are truely the best!
NG
No question is stupid. I'll try and list a few of the differences. You have to keep taking more pain pills, and most of us end up taking very dangerous amount that could kill you. You stop that behaviour (sp) right away with sub. So right there it could be saving lives. I was buying drugs on the street and risking going to jail. That also stops. My life was consumed with the thought of getting more pills or worring that I would run out. That stops. I was irritable, my personality changed and I ignored responsibilities. Now I feel normal, more social and have taken control of my life. Also, I don't carry any pills with me when I leave the house. I don't think about taking any, it's pretty amazing.
I have been able to taper down on the sub, where I was never able to taper on the pain pills. I know there is a lot of controversy over the sub. and I am not off it yet. So I can't tell you if there will be withdrawals. I am down to a crumb and will start to take it everyother day soon. I am determined not to have horrible withdrawals from it so I'm going to take it as slow as needed.
I have only good things to say about Suboxone. It has completely changed my life. I will never say never, but I really think my chances of relapse have gone from 100% to 2%.
If when I get off the sub, I feel I'm starting to crave again, I will take a tiny piece of sub. I would much rather do this than go back to where I was. I really recommend it to anyone that has relapsed repeatedly.
I will be an addict the rest of my life and if I need to treat it occasionally with sub, thats fine in my book.
Hope this helped. Mary
I have been able to taper down on the sub, where I was never able to taper on the pain pills. I know there is a lot of controversy over the sub. and I am not off it yet. So I can't tell you if there will be withdrawals. I am down to a crumb and will start to take it everyother day soon. I am determined not to have horrible withdrawals from it so I'm going to take it as slow as needed.
I have only good things to say about Suboxone. It has completely changed my life. I will never say never, but I really think my chances of relapse have gone from 100% to 2%.
If when I get off the sub, I feel I'm starting to crave again, I will take a tiny piece of sub. I would much rather do this than go back to where I was. I really recommend it to anyone that has relapsed repeatedly.
I will be an addict the rest of my life and if I need to treat it occasionally with sub, thats fine in my book.
Hope this helped. Mary
you are not ignorant..there is a big difference between sub and vicodin..yes your trading one for the other..but there..in my opinion is certain criteria for one considering suboxone..first of all suboxone stays in your system alot longer than hydros..are you considering suboxone..your friend..Lisa
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