SUBOXONE TREATMENT

[oxyaddict420]

This is more of a statment than a question.. I have had some pretty evil personal messages sent to me lately, I guess because they see my mood is that I have pills and have relapsed again..  There are a few caring people that are my friends that know my situation and are going to be there for me 100%!!!  They are all people that I met through this site..  I am getting on an insurance plan that started Jan.1 and I am just waiting on the cards to come in the mail..  I have heard from others around my town that this is a great insurance plan..  So, I am going to research and see if the pain management DR's around my area will aceept my insurance for the visits or the meds or even(GOD WILLING BOTH)..

I have heard alot of people say that suboxone has saved their lives, and that it is great for recovery. I haven't heard alot of people saying how they came off of it and everything was great.. I have heard a couple to be fair..  I am personally going to try the suboxone treatment due to my major abuse and long term abuse of oxycodone 300-400mg per day! and anything else pain pill related!  I have went cold turkey so many times I would have to guess a number to count. Im sure it is close to 30-40 times though..  I have had this addiction for many years, and have decided I personally cant fix this overnight, and have came to terms to actually accept long term help..

I do want off pills

I do want a life without narcotics

I do want my life back

I understand that suboxone has strong opiate in it as well, but along with other stuff that helps as well. I have read up ALOT  on this, and I am hoping this will be what takes me through the dark tunnel to find the light at the end!!!

Please people that have nothing but evil things to say, keep them to yourself. It is hard enough dealing with this addiction to have to read hatemail!  And the people that keep sending me the great and insperational emails.. KEEP THEM COMING!  I am going to beat this deamon ******* of pain pills if it is the last thing I do..  Not everyone will agree with me, but I DONT CARE ANYMORE!  I need help, and I haven't tried this. Tried a million other things, but NOT THIS!   I may use and abuse up until the day I get on it, and that is just the honest truth.. But I tell you what, when I get on it I will do everything I am supposed to 100%  I dont care if it takes me 1 week or 1year!!!  Thanks to the people that truly support me and are there for me.. I could name names, but you all know who you are.. Sorry so long, but alot of people have been bashing me, and asking alot of questions that really arent their business. Hope this clears things up!

GOD BLESS--

WE CAN DO THIS

WE DESERVE IT!!

[dogneedshelp]

YES!!! You can certainly do it. You sound like you have walked a long path to get to this point and the determination I am hearing from you gives me hope that this will be the time you break the cycle.

Come back to this forum and start posting. That has helped keep my mind busy so I don't stare at the clock. There are a LOT of us who care about your success and want to see you come out the other side a clean healthy person. Please post and let us know how you are doing. Best of luck to you with this struggle.

[oxyaddict420]

Thanks alot for the post.. especially for caring about someone you don't know.. I was posting ALOT when I ran out of meds and needed support for the w/d!

After I re-upped and was on the pills, I wa sgetting alot of hate-mail!  So I was doing more reading and watching than posting..  I don't think I will ever leave this site..

by the way I would love to hear your story..  What was your DOC? how many per day? how long have you used?  Are you clean? Are you going to get clean?  Only if you want to share!

Thanks again for the kind words

[GoingToMakeIt]

I am rooting for you. I have said it before. When it comes to getting off these drugs. The end justifies the means. Do it any way that works for you. Don't give up. Keep on keeping on! There is something about you that tells me you will succeed in this.
Keep the faith.

[dogneedshelp]

I was using 13 vikes a day for the last year and probably 6 a day the year before that so I have had plenty of time to become addicted. I started to taper New Years Day for one small reason... I found this forum on New Years Eve and it gave me so much hope and promise that I just had to take the leap. I may have taken too much of a leap because my first cut was from 13 to 6 a day and damn this SUCKS!!!

I certainly agree with you that I don't think I will ever leave this site.There are too many positive people here and you can always block the jackasses from your inbox.

There are negative people everywhere and I'm sure the negativity has a lot to do with their own failures so they attack you in order to feel better about their own shortcomings. Don't let it get you down.

I am glad you are posting again. Please keep it up when you start detox. You KNOW we will be here for you!!

[allaboutmary]

Those people are jelous you have pills. lol  You can block those people from sending you personal messages. There should be a little box you click on that says block.
You sound like you have a plan and you are determined .  Don't let some people's negativity get you down. Getting free of these pills can be a long hard road and seems like you have accepted that. Don't give up the fight. Keep posting.  Most of us are supportive.   Mary

[kimkim454]

way to go. when i first came here i relapsed within days with 360 percs. boy oh boy i wish i never told anyone, i got a good bashing as well. i was just trying to be honest and thought this was something probably everyone went through. i know i probably deserved it and i definitely learned a lesson. to tell you the truth it made me fight harder. i am glad i relapsed because i still had a love of pills at that time. so i got the 360 percs, took 60 a day for 6 days, never got a buzz, felt physically terrible, vomitted nonstop. so when i when back on the sub 12 hours after my last pill i was finally ready. never ever thought i would say that. some people were a little brutal but twice as many were supportive, some just ignored me. please, please try the suboxone. it has worked for me so far, like a miracle. can't really say how the wd from that will go but i have been enquiring the last day or so and it sounds like if i am not on it too long it will be doable. six weeks now. can't wait to be done with pills all together.
fyi; my sub doc insisted i go to a na meeting. i got bashed there for being on the sub. they said i was still on drugs and the meeting was for people on their way to recovery not people still using. ouch.

[oxyaddict420]

goingtomakeit--thanks as always man..  I agree with alot of what you say and think you are doing alot of good by being on here and posting. Thanks

dogneedhelp--You are doing good man, keep up the taper method and make sure to keep to it. I know it can be tempting, but you are stronger than the temptation. This is your time man.. you will do this!

allaboutmary--It will be a long hard road, but it beats the hell out of the road i have gotten so used to travling!  I appriciate the kindness and support from you.. Thanks

kimkim--wow, I haven't seen anyone else post that they take, or took that much pills as you and I.  that is alot. Were they the 5mg 7.5 or 10's?  I am glad you did not OD!!!  I am really hoping the sub will really help alot.. I am not hoping it will do all the work, because that is for me to do. But as long as it helps with certain aspects, I will take care of the rest! Thnaks for your support, and the BEST OF LUCK to you and you plan to get off.....

I am determined, and I haven't been mroe serious about anything else in my life!  To me this is my life i am talking about.. Since I was about 19yrs old I haven't really sone anything I can truly be proud about..  I have a wonderful, most supportive(but tired) fiancee! She is everything to me!!! I can't say in words how wonderful of a person that she is. Honestly, I think she is an angel that god put on this earth to guide me to some type of happiness and fullfillment!  She makes me want to be a better man!

I have MAJOR-MAJOR depression issues, and I know that has alot to do with why I abuse the pills rather than just take them as precribed. amoung many others i am sure..  I am also going to ask the sub DR if I can get into an addiction therapist specialist..  I need to get to the root of WHY'S, AND HOW'S!  I have to really break myself down and rebuild..  I am GOING TO DO THIS-- I AM GOING TO SUCCEED!!!!!! I AM GOING TO RECLAIM MY LIFE, AND MAKE IT MY OWN!  

I know some of you might think I am like the king of one liners, but hey it's me..  

[ButchH8]

Dude...Suboxom will fix your oxy withdrawel problem. I would say after 2 weeks on Subox. you need to taper off and finish. I was using 80-100mg/day oxy and took Subox for 3 days and done.  I would say once your on Subox for 7-10 days, start tapering and see how you feel.  A doctor may keep you on this for months because he makes big bucks from your weekly visits. BUT ONLY YOU KNOW HOW YOU FEEL!  AFTER 10 DAYS ON SUBOX YOU ARE OVER ANY OPIATE WITHDRAWEL ISSUES.  Then its easy to stop Subox. You will still have some issues like trouble sleeping, but they can be dealt with.

[oxyaddict420]

I get what you are saying man, and I can relate.. But, I have issues that are far more deep than just getting past withdrawl.. If you read all my posy(which is long as hell) you would see that i have been through cold turkey/tapering withdrawl around 30-40 times i really have lost count! I have gotten past it just to relaspe again and again!  I need to get to the root of the problem and rip that friggin thing out of the ground and then burn it with a totch!!!!!!

Thnaks for the advice though, and I am glad you were able to get off so easily! That is awesome man! Keep up the great work

[hopsing94]

Hey bro,first I hope the sub works for you this time. All the times i have tried to quit i would go through the withdrawls and feel good for a few day and tell myself ok this time im not getting addicted. Ya know just a few wont hurt and like always the few a day turned into a few and hour everyday. You are absolutely right about finding out what it is that makes you want to use. For me not sure what it is but for some reason I had to numb out before i would get home. So something at home maybe dont really know yet. I wish all the success in the world, Keep us posted on the sub because if I don't make it this time c/t then i was gonna try the sub, just a little worried about how to get off it.Good luck--John

[oxyaddict420]

Thanks john-- i will keep everyone posted as it takes place!

[ButchH8]

But I did read your whole thing.  Once you are past withdrawel its all MENTAL. Going thru that **** 30-40 times PROVES you want to PUNISH YOURSELF. At your level of Opiates, I wouldn't want to go through wd ONCE. SIR..you need to figure out WHY you can't  LET GO. Do you need Detox or Mental Counseling? Or both. I would rather die that get hooked again. Its a matter of self respect. You might even start LIKING YOURSELF once your completely clean.  You might feel like you accomplished something. Challange yourself! Get mad at yourself! Good Luck man!

[broknbck]

i feel your desperation. was there too. i tried to quit alot of times and failed. the last time i succeded!  i figured it out, why i kept failing. it was because i wasn't making any changes in my life so as to not want or have the need to keep using.
i actually had to move 2000 miles away. but it worked!! and i was willing to try anything. it sounds like that's where you are. wanna try anything. hope the suboxone works for you. i was chicken to try it because i've only heard one success story from it. i wish you all the best in finding a solution to this hell ride so many of us are on!! stay determined and start planning your great future!!

[kimkim454]

they were 5 mg pills with no tylenol, i think they were called roxicet, basically percocet without tylenol. i would take 12 at a time 5 times a day and run out after 6 days. when i think about it now i would hate to see my liver or other organs since i only weigh about 105lbs. yikes. i can't wait to be done with all this. monkey on my back, more like king kong. but i am going to do it, thanks to suboxone. i do miss the high but truthfully i haven't felt that in sooooo long anyway. i felt so good i would be up all night calling companies just to tell them how much i love their products, example....shampoo, nabisco, cable company etc. how ridiculus is that!? those days are long gone. good luck to you, i hope to see you around here often.

[dogneedshelp]

Yea it sounds like you are determined and this time you realize there is an underlying problem with your drug use. Find a good psychotherapist and get it worked out. I wish I could do more to help you but I am here to talk it out with you and listen when you need me to.

I'm proud of you... really proud.

[tammyk_40]

Im there for you 100%. We're all cheering for you. I was on your side from day 1. I believe we all can overcome the bond of addiction. I wish the best for you! Tammy

[NautyOne]

exactly why Med help should get rid of PM........never should have started it...........

[oxyaddict420]

What do you mean? Not quite sure how to take that.. You mean so that random people cant just chime in and bash on you for whatever reason they seem fit?  

I enjoy the PM with about 6-7 people, and really enjoy using it with like 3 of them regularly...  

Thanks for sticking up for that though(if that was what you meant)

[wait2long]

Dont let others get you down or interfere with YOUR recovery. you will be successful with the sub, it works wonders. but it also does take work, you have to be committed to not wanting that high anymore and get yourself into some therapy to help find your triggers and core issues, you can only benefit from this. as long as the commitment is there, i can only see success for you. read and learn all you can about sub, there are a lot of success stories, the only ones i have heard fail are the ones who were not truly committed and used the sub only when they ran out of their doc, so once your on it, stay on it until YOU are comfortable with how you feel and are ready to come off it. and when you are ready, a very slow taper is the way to go, i have read some horror stories, but usually because people jump off a high dose or taper too quickly. i am glad to see you have realized you need a long term plan, simply detoxing and going through withdrawals is only a small portion of actually staying free from addictive behaviors and your drug of  choice, it requires a LOT of change in being free from the addictive lifestyle that we have led for such a long time. GOOD LUCK TO YOU!! and if you ever need to talk shoot me a PM.

[taekwondo_fighter]

keep fighting bro...  dont let anyone get you down...  
here's a quote that was told to me a couple of months ago by my martial arts master.. he actually wrote this on my attendance card..
" ONE LIFE, YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO " .........

[mshell62]

Hey there!  Keep up the good positive attitude.  It will get you "everywhere"!

As for the "addict-bashers" on this site, well, "shame on you".  Like any psychologist will tell you, "You can only control what you can control".  We can't stop them from "bashing", BUT, we can choose to stay away from that toxic, negativity.  (kinda hard when its chiming in here and there, tho.)

But, anyway, ya have your SouthPark friend here ALWAYS!  

You have such vigor and persistance, I know you will do this when it is time.

Hugs!
Mshell

[Savas]

fladdict has a really good descriptive write-up of suboxone and it's short/long term effects in her journal (but...I bet you already know this :)  ).

Congrat's on winning the golden ticket of getting "really good insurance"!
It helps a lot. Let us know how it goes.

[oxyaddict420]

Thank you to ALL OF YOU!  I can't say enough how pleasant and awesome this site has been for me..  I am finally feeling like I can RE-CLAIM ME LIFE!

[oxyaddict420]

I am basically just posting to bump this back up to the top!

The reason is because a fe wpeople have been asking deatails about my plan to get clean, and it is so hard to say in few words.. Please read the very first post of mine at the top, or for all this info as well as additional added info "REFER TO MY JOURNAL POST" I only have one there.. Gets a little deep, but thats me.. Head high deep in depression and **** that I try and fill with pills!!

[Victim of Surgery]

Suboxone certainly helped me but it's not a panacea! I only took hydrocodone for a few weeks after surgery and I still experience w/d symptoms a year later on suboxone. I'm down to 1/4 of 1 pill every 30 or so hours and I tried to skip my pill last night. I couldn't sleep, have sweats and body tremors. I thought it would go away but after watching an episode of INTERVENTION on A&E Network, I realized my symptoms were w/d just the same. So I'm back to tapering by stretching the time between 1/4 pills. The Pain Management Dr told me to just stop taking them when I was taking 1 full pill a day but it is still difficult. I don't crave it or even like it. I just keep getting sick if I don't take it. Suboxone will help you function but you'll have to w/d from that too if you are anywhere near as sensitive as I am. But, you have to go for it. There is no other solution. The quicker you start the quicker you will be over it, no matter how long it takes.

[oxyaddict420]

Damn, thats bunk.. One of the MAJOR REASONS that I was wanting to do this was to not have to go through witdrawls..  I mean if it makes you withdrawl then why do it?? It only helps when you are taking it? Then why not just take pain pills then? at least with that i get a buzz.. Just an honest look at it i guess..

[oxyaddict420]

This is my original post on suboxone

[CarissaLou]

hey, im new and was reading a little bit about you. i am a recovering addict. i am on the suboxone treamtent. i am doing it for 4 months. i have al;ways been a frim believer that maintence programs are ridiculous if you really want to get clean. but i can't seem to get enough clean time, i keep relapsing. it really sucks. but i want to stay clean. i have been o nthe suboxone for almos t 4 days now. i am only taking 8 ml a day and i am doing it for 4 months just enough time so i can learn what i eed to do after so i dont keep relapsing. i recommend the suboxone program highly.

[feohmoon]

This forum helps so much.  The people here are so knowledgable, compassionate and supportive.  It is no accident that you found this site...apparently this is meant to be.  I hope it helps.  Oxyaddict will respond to you as soon as he is around, I am sure.
I am detoxing from methadone so I know what you mean about maintenance programs...next Thursday will be our last dose.  It helps a lot to have others who understand exactly how you feel.
Keep posting and good luck getting off the sub...We'll be here for you.

[CarissaLou]

I think it is great to have websites liek this. I honestly think that having the ability to go to a computer and talk to someone when I amnot feeling great and to know that there are other popel that are on the same boat somehow. I need compassio nad understanding people my parents are happy that I am doing  the suboxone to better myself but they are not addictsand don't understand why I can be so distructive. When you get of fthe methadone clinic are yo uswitching to suboxone or are you going to face the cold world. Wahatever you do good luck. Thankx for letting me in.

[feohmoon]

We are not going on sub, we are detoxing from the methadone and hoping for the best!!!

We are ready, it has been a journey...although I am not an advocate for methadone...we are in a better place with more structure than we were before.  For that, I am very thankful.  But we want to be ourselves again...enjoy lifes ups and downs rather than feeling so unfeeling.

Whatever works for you and helps you get and stay clean...I am all for it!  Best of luck..Continue to post...it is an awesome tool for us all.

[CarissaLou]

You say both of you. You and your girlfriend or boyfriend? That is great that you do it together. Iwish my boyfirend was as strong as I am. He is still ver yweak and hopeless.

[CarissaLou]

where are you guys from? tell me a little bit about you

[tommm70]

Hi, I just wanted to give you my experience with Subutex (same as Suboxone, but without the Naloxene which is added to Suboxone to prevent injection abuse)

I, like you have  been through withdrawal from opiates so many times I Iost count.

I initially went in for Subutex last August and it felt like a miracle! The withdrawals were instantly gone, and I felt like I was alive. That was until I puked my guts out the next morning as a side effect! The intial dose of 12mg was a bit high for me. The doctor worked the next dose down to 4mg, and that is where I stayed.
My doctor convinced me to stay on a long term maintenance of 4mg a day. She said the withdrawals from this are very mild, and last a few weeks. I was doing well, though at times I would get very nauseated. I began tapering off last month and took my last 1/2mg dose on Tuesday. I thought I was done. Oh was I wrong, I woke up at 3:00AM this morning, and I felt like HELL. The withdrawals are as bad as any opiate withdrawal I have ever experienced. RLSE, sweating, anxiety, restlesness. It SUCKS MAJOR ***. I am actually pretty scared right now, but writing to you about my experience is helping believe it or not.. The worst part is I have been told this withdrawal will last 2 weeks. If you did your homework, you know that Suboxone sticks to your opiates for a long time. this drug has an extremely long half life.

I believe my doctor was wrong in letting ME (only ME, I won't speak for you or anyone else, you have to do whats right for you.) stay on this for so long. It was an enabler to keep myself on opiates, any opiates. Now I did not get high, but anyone on this knows there is a feel good time of anywhere from an hour to four hours after taking it.
I really wish I had just taken it for 5 to 10 days.
I am tempted to call my doctor and tell him I am not ready, I am in that much discomfort, yet at the same time, I know I have to go through it someday. So why not now?

Thats why I came back here, for the support of the good people on this forum.

I know that until I tell myself I am powerless over this drug, step 1 I think, (again ME, not anyone else) I will never truly be free. I know now I do need a 12 step program, and will be attending an NA meeting. (again ME).

Well, this is my story with this drug, use the info as best you can. This is not your fault, and the bozos who gave you a hard time should be ashamed of themselves, and good for you for ignoring them.

Do me a favor and ask yourself if Suboxone will give you what you want, because you said in your intitial post what you want.
"I do want off pills

I do want a life without narcotics

I do want my life back "

Suboxone is a pill, and is a narcotic, and while it will help short term, if you decide to do it long term, ask yourself if you really will have the results you are looking for.
Your heart will tell you, and you will do what is best for you. And remember, you can't fool yourself. I tried that for a long time, heck all of us addicts have at one time or another.

Whatever path you choose, I wish you the best. I am going to fight to not get that subutex refill, I just hope I can stay on course.

Also, I dunno if you exercise, but it does wonders for the mind and body. (Especially the RLS, which I HATE the most, and it's back worse than ever.)

[CarissaLou]

hey i was wondering how long you have been o nthe subutex? i have just strated mine i am on my first week and you just scared the hell out of me cuz that is my biggest fear detoxing later form the suboxone

[CarissaLou]

hey again. i monly on 8 ml a day do u think that will be had to come off of. i ma lso only doing this for 3 1/2 months. what do u think?

[tommm70]

I was on it for about 5 months. The last month going down to 3mg, then 2mg, then 1mg, the 1/2mg over a one month period.

If you do take it for 3 1/2 months, you wil have withdrawals. I don't know if they will be as bad as mine, but if you look up other peoples experiences with long term usage of Suboxone, it is not always the most pleasnt of times.

I can't answer if you wil have bad withdrawals of 8mg usage for 3 1/2 months. I just know mine suck from five months of 4 mg.

Do some more research, I have found some interesting posts on here and other sites that talk about long term Suboxone usage resulting in bad withdrawal. The consensus is the shorter you are on it the better. But some folks need it to stay off the bad stuff, and that is the right choice for them.



Suboxone definetly has it's advantages to keep you away from abusing, so you and your doctor have to decide what is best for you.
If you were to stop after 10 days, you will be much better off than at 3 1/2 months. But again, the decision is yours. And at 10 days you wil be through the worst of your opiate withdrawal. the question is are you past the cravings?

I forgot to add that my doctor gave me Clonodine (not to be confused with the anxiety pill Clonopine) for withdrawals, and it is kicking in and helping me at this moment, and I took it a half hour ago. My doctor told me Clonodine was originally prescribed for high blood pressure, but is also used to help with the symptoms of opiate withdrawal. Unfortunatly not all of the symptoms. I have also heard that Immodium can help as well, though this is a addictive drug as well! So am i trading one addiction for another?

Good luck to you. I don't want to sway you either way, the choice is ultimately up to you. I can only share my story. Who knows, it has only been one day for me. Maybe the worst will only last a couple of days. I will keep you updated if you would like.
I am not going back on Subutex. I am going to suck it up and beat this addiction once and for all.

[tommm70]

sorry for all of the spelling errors above, I forgot to proof read my post. Can we edit posts?

[wait2long]

if you want some advice or just to read some stories about suboxone, short or long term and about WD's...go to

naabt dot org     a lot of info and stories there...go to "discussion groups"

[feohmoon]

We live outside of Asheville, NC in the mountains.  We are at the base of Cold Mtn.  
During our days of using, we always kept things right down the middle...nomatter what we did.  Even upon entering the clinic our dose was always the same, we moved up at the exact rate.  We are very close in size and tolerance...so it works well for us that way.
We began detoxing in Aug.'07 from 110mg of methadone...tomorrow we will dose @ 19mg. and our last dose will be 1 week from today.  We are cautiously optimistic.  We are familiar with the debilitating effects of methadone wd...but we are in a much different place now than before.  We are on an insane amount of vitamins!  That is where a lot of pain associated with wd comes from...a vitamin deficiency.  Of course, as you replenish your supply...the better you feel.  But it takes a mad amount of vitamins, minerals, herbs, etc.  I am always saying the same thing!  Check out my journal if you want some natural remedies.  We are very eager to put this behind us.  This forum helps so much

[CarissaLou]

thankx for the info. what kind of vitamns do you take

[CarissaLou]

hey thankx for getting back to me. im having a nervous day today. i mscared of four months from now when all i really can do is worry about today. im jus t verys tressed out with my living sistuation. my boyfreind is a t home and still feels bad and wants to get high and i go home to him everyday after i work all day when i dont feel good. well i dunno really i just want toscream. my questio nis that after a few eweks do you really start to feel better and happier becuz right now i am miserable still, stinkin thinkin.

[addictedme]

So to relapse 30 or 40 times means you must have got clean 30 to 40 times. Can I ask what you did to prevent relapsing and arrest your addiction those 30 or 40 times ?

[momojoe]

"I am GOING TO DO THIS-- I AM GOING TO SUCCEED!!!!!! I AM GOING TO RECLAIM MY LIFE, AND MAKE IT MY OWN! "

BRAVO!!!!! to you oxyaddict

You ARE going to do this!! and your words brought me to tears.  
My son is battling opiate addiction and started on subox yesterday morning. I too had a negative comment. It is WAY in the back of my mind now. I have had SO much support from everyone else! It is hard to ignore those nasty comments, but they are idiots. You cant reason with an IDIOT so save your energy and concentrate on the people who will help you through this.

You can do it and you will SUCCEED!!
hugs to you!
momojoe

[tommm70]

Again, not telling you what to do. But if you are in a home with someone abusing daily, you will have a hard time dealing with things. ESPECIALLY the depression. Suboxone defienetly will not help you there. Suboxone is a way to eliminate withdrawals, and allow you to change the habits that got you into the drugs. You have to do the emotional work. I hope you are talking to a professional. If you are, get that persons advice on what to do when an abuser is under your roof.

You are very brave to quit doing the bad stuff and making the choice to right your ship. Can you see yourself getting out of that situation? Does your BF want to get better? What is best for you and your child? All things you have to ask yourself.

Just remember you made a brave choice, and you want to stick with it. Having someone around who is using drugs will not help you. I think you know that.

I will pray for you.
good luck to you.

[feohmoon]

My fiance and I take a full spectrum amino acid, B12 injections weekly, chewable multivitamin, protein drinks, calcium, magnesium, zinc, fish oil w omega 3...B complex, alpha lipoic acid...I have probably left some out.
The aminos help a lot with energy....

[tommm70]

Thank you for the advice about the vitamins. I agree with you that I am most likely lacking in that department with my diet the last few months. Is it true that potassium really helps with RLS. I HATE RLS!!!!! HELP!!!!

But that you again, I will be adding supplements starting with dinner tonight.

[worried878]

I have just been learning about suboxone and had never heard of it before this forum...My son used to work at a methadone clinic and I thought that was the only drug for detox...I read mixed posts on the value of this drug...I quit only 3 weeks ago and it was my first real attempt to quit....If I kept relapsing over time...who knows what I would consider as I do want to live my life...Just a question tho...Suboxone, I have read, is expensive.  Do they give it out free or like cheaper at clinics like methadone?  Or do you have to have insurance to cover it?  I guess it is probably not any more expensive than a narcotic habit per month I guess...but do not know....Not planning on doing sub...just trying to learn about it

[CarissaLou]

i know that it isnt a good ideat ohave him home. he needs t ogo into a detox, the nto a program. once again he has to strat over and he is really sad about thta he doesn't do anyhting. and our aon needs a father. he is still very young. he is only 5 months. i was clean obviously during my preganancy and a few months after the last 3 months or so i have screwed up but know it isn't the right thing so i a mtrying. he scared. so i am taking him to get a haircut tommorow and then he needs to call detox. he is not using now becasue he doesn;t have the money i am the one that gets somethiwgn and  we use togethere so he is clean andmiserable. so like i said for him to getin somewher ehe will need to use again and i will have to give hi mthe money tp do so or he ill not go anywhere.

[CarissaLou]

thankx for the info about the vitamans that is awhole lot. but it sounds like it does you both well. i will ahev to lok into that

[feohmoon]

I might have said this...be sure to get liquid, chewable, injectable...not hard tablets...our gut does not function properly to break them down.  So, if taking a hard tablet you might not be getting the effects.  I did not know that for awhile and I believe I wasted my multi back then because since we have switched and added some - I can tell a big difference.  My energy today has been higher than many months....maybe years.  I do not feel great, but I am not dragging either.
For some reason, I am breaking down into tears about 5-10 times a day.  I do not like that because I am not accustomed to being so sensitive.  We'll keep fighting this battle!!!
Best of luck to you guys...check out my journal for some additional remedies that are all natural.
Look forward to talking with you soon!

[Marc423]

I was on OxyContin for 3 years, I actually reached a level of 12 40mg per day due to back pain from wrecks.  I have 3 Vertebra fused.  Anyway, as my tolerence increased my Doctor just kept upping my monthly meds.
Anyway, my Doctor got busted by the DEA for prescribing so many narcotics.  I went to a Detox and Rehab for 28 days.  At the Rehab they put me on Subetex, and due to the Chronic Pain issues I am still on it.  It helped with the opium withdrawal right away, the part I couldn't stand was the restless legs.  It was all gone.  I have stayed clean now for 6 months, went to N/A at first and then switched to AA which suits my schedule better.  The 12 step program has been around a long time but it really works and I look forward to going to meetings.  Anyway, this is my 2 cents worth and I take a lot of Ibuprofin.

[oxyaddict420]

Thanks for posting man.. The have cancelled my suboxone aoopintment at the last second to march 11th so I am screwed once again by DR's but at last there is some point where I will get on it(I PREY)!!  I also am going to be attending NA meetings a few times per week, and then also have addiction counseling set up once per week for one on ones.. Then group type meeting as well with the couseler.. So the suboxone is just 1 tool amoung others to help combat this horrible addiction!

[oxyaddict420]

Wow, thanks so much for sharing your story and opinions here.  Also sorry to those people that have posted to me and I have not responded.  Thispost is an older one, and it hasnt gotten any new posts in over two months until just about 8 hours ago.. Also, I have not been on here as much for good reasons.. When I first found this site it was like a miracle and it seemed to be a godsend.. I needed so much of the info I found and to just be able to get honest(REAL HONEST) about everything to people that understood and that had been there.. Over time on this site new people come and go and it seems to be the same thing just over and over again.  Also, I think I have gotten most everything I am going to get from this site already. Now it is just to the point where there is so much negativity toward me and my recovery attemtps that it is just unhealthy!

I have made some great friends and also learned some great info about myself and my addiction as well.  Now  I have the suboxone appointment for march 11th(because my feb 26th once got cancelled), also I went to my first addiction counseling appointment(one-on-ones 1 time per week), and will be attentding NA meetings (a few times per week), and also will be attending group meeting that are FREE due to me being a patient of the clinic now!  So I have many tools to use and apply to getting better and managing my addiction.. To answer the question about really wanting to be on suboxone long term, YES, since my #1 priority is to LIVE and get my life back in order. It is so bad and out of wack that it will take major stucture that I cannot provide without these tools!. So after I can get back on track and work out some issues then it will be the sub for me.. And I am fine with that!

As for the question about getting clean 30-40 times.. These were all failed attempts at staying clean. Yes i went through full c/t w/d that many times or more, but it never lasted. Some times I would last months, but others mostly weeks or even days.. Having major chronic daily pain was a reason that I would cave in alot, plus the fact of just plain craving the buzz, and the feelings of numbness!  So there never has been a real success story YET!  But I feel it in my bones that this is my time to make it work!  I have all the tools lined up and access to them, and I will use every damn one of them to make it WORK!

[bmc1976]

Just ignore the negative and take in the positive. There are always gonna be some comments that come across wrong. It can be hard to express ourselves with a keyboard. When talking to someone in person you know how to take something because of the tone of their voice. Whenever I read a post and I take it as a negative I read it again trying to see the other side. It truly does help at times. Best of luck at your sub appointment. Please keep posting and keep us informed on how you are doing. After reading most of your posts I'm almost excited as you are to see how well the sub program is going to work for you!!!!! Have a great weekend and look forward to hearing from you again!

[Penelope14]

In my life, I notice the people who try to take me down & who are negative are always the ones who are unhappy in their own skin, & I agree, if you cant say something nice dont say anything at all!  But also on this forum or any other forum, its very easy to misunderstand what someone may be trying to express, as we are not all face to face nor is their any verbal communication, & not everyones gonna agree with you, or even myself, & thats ok, its what you know thats important. I,ll tell you a little something about me, the reason I got onto methadone was for my addiction to oxys, prior to the oxys I was a fun loving girl, sure Id have a drink once in a while, but that was it! Till I met someone with a large, large, amount of oxys, he would get monthly amounts that would blow me away, we had hundreds of green 80s everywhere, they were never ending, or so I thought, as time goes by you start requiring more & more, so running out was a issue that would come about around once a week, & it was hell! Their wasnt much I wouldnt have done to get more, your integrity as a woman gets tested & all morals are gone out the window, as the man I got the oxys from was not my hubby, I think you get the idea? At any rate, I havent touched oxys for 4 years & never will, & I say sub is a great idea, I only wish It were around 4 years ago when I was doing everything in my power to get off of them. Good Luck Penelope

[CarissaLou]

HEY SO WHATS YOUR STORY, IM NEW AND SAW YOUR PROFILE.

[CarissaLou]

TODAY IS MY FIFTH DAY ON THE SUBOXONE AND IM DOING OK. I WAS DEPRESSED YESTERDAY. TODAY I AM A LIL BETTER. I TALKED TO MY DOC AND HE SAID WE COULD GO DOWN 1 ML A WEEK. IM SUPPOSE TO BE ON 10ML RIGHT NOW BUT I ONLY HAVE BEE N TAKING 6-8. I THIN KTHE REASON I AHVE BEEN HOLDING BACK IS BECAUSE IM NERVOUS ABOUT DETOX IN LIKE 4 MONTHS. BUT I HAVE TO STOP WORRYING ABOUT THAT AND WORRY ABOUT WHAT IS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. LIVE FOR TODAY RIGHT!!!

[addictedme]

You didnt really answer my question and I"m having trouble finding all the negativity toward you,maybe your talking about pms. You do sound determined and the counsling is a good idea but as far as na goes you stated that you plan on going to a few meetings a week,thats a great start but na has very clear suggestions on what they feel you must do to have a chance at arresting your addiction and just going to a few meetings a week isnt one of them. Staying clean thru na is soo much more then just going to a few meetings a week. The 1st suggestion you"ll get is 90 meetings in 90 days,Its entirely possible that after a few meetings you"ll understand a little more and take the suggestions but if you dont work the program AS SUGGESTED,then plz say that you didnt feel the program was for you rather then saying the program didnt work for you.gl to ya

[worried878]

I was searching my brain but dont remember the negative stuff people said to you on the board so I am guessing it was thru PMs...you have always been positive toward me in your posts and I wish you the best of luck with whatever you decide to do...You know I could feel it in my bones this time too.....sometimes it is just time to let go...and it is easier then...I have even found that to be true in other life situations/for instance a bad relationship that I hang onto then one day your done and it is easy to let it go...no comparison...just rambling...good luck and prayers are with you

[oxyaddict420]

Thanks to everyone with the nice things to say and the support.. To the others that continue to be nagative and disruptive, please just leave my posts alone, and please stop the hateful PM's.. I am trying to get positive about my recovery..

Addictedme-- I guess I dont have all the perfect answers to your questions, but I know I am going to do everything in my power to make this effort to get my life straight.  It seems you have a bleek take on"at least my recovery statements".. So if I am that confused, or that far gone then just let me be OK?  You are already making statements about if I were to fail at NA meeting, and how I should publicy post it to make sure not to offend or scare off others.. How about I just take it one step at a time and go experience a meeting for myself and you stay out of it?  

[Flutterby111]

Dude, one main thing they say in NA is that we are powerless to our addiction...and you seem to realize that....and with that realization you are taking necessary steps to doing what you see fit to getting and staying clean.  Yeah, forget the B.S. here and negativity.  You do your plan.  I can tell you're commited to getting clean....you just do what YOU can....eff the rest.  Stay positive!  

[hopsing94]

Hey man how are you doing. I did'nt read through this whole post but wondering if you were able to get on the sub and if so how is it working. If not how are you holding up. Get me updated. I think the 26th was the date so i've been wondering about you bro. --John

[addictedme]

In just about every one of your posts you talk about negative posts toward you but the negativity in each one seems to come from you. If you dont want me to respond to your posts I wont.My post said NOTHING about you failing,,if anything it only let you know what to expect IF you do attend na.You said that you"ve failed at staying clean about 30 or 40 times so I asked what you did those times to stay clean,,you never answered the question and your obviously upset that you cant or dont want to. I asked because maybe you could let others see what didnt work for you so it may not work for them either. I think that you should read each post with an open mind and if you feel negativity then talk to me or whoever about it but try to look at the positives rather then the negatives. Rather you believe it or not I want to see you succeed as much as anyone on this forum,,I"m not here to fk with oxyaddict. Again,,I wont respond to your posts but feel free to pm me if you"d like to agree to disagree sometimes about anything and as always,,gl and stay determined

[oxyaddict420]

YO WHATS UP MAN?

The latest news is that the Sub DR cancelled my 26th app. on me the evening of the 25th(some notice huh?) I was so pissed off man. They made it for March 11th.  But I did get to go to my first addiction couselor meeting and it was very positive and great.  He reffered me to the Suboxone dR in there office and it is on the 14th of March..But I am on the cancellation list at both offices.. The counselor wants me to transfer to the DR there no matter what though.. I agree that it will be better to have them be able to communicate more effectively about my recovery. So as of right now I was able to get some oxy to make last until that appointment(which was blind luck and a long story, but a miracle pretty much)!  So I will be getting on suboxone around Middle of March, and then have one-on-ones with my addiction counselor every week, then he suggested that I go to as many NA meetings as I can stand at first.. Then since I am a paying patient there, they have group courses on many different topics, but he runs some about managing your life, and dealing with addicition and changing bad behaviours.. So as he put it, it will be a good idea to make this recovery my full time job and go at it harder than anything I have ever done before. I believe with all these tools at my doorstep that a new life is about to begin.. I AM SO FRIGGIN EXCITED BRO-- IT'S UNREAL!!

[oxyaddict420]

Thanks for all the support and kind posts.. It is people like you that make it nice to open up and be honest about the addiction.. I cant stand the "know it all goody goods that think their way is the only correct way of recovery"!  

We are all different and we all might need different approaches at this recovery.. I know what has worked for many others has just failed for me.. And what is going to work for me, is against what others want to do.. So it is an individual plan for the person..

DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO RECLAIM YOUR LIFE!

[Flutterby111]

WORD!  Even my little guardian angel who held my hand through my withdrawls and saved my a$$ wanted me to go a little farther than I was willing too.   I get it.  I quit the perc c/t.  I flushed the tramadol...but I have chronic pain, and I never have ever abused fioricet ever.....and I refused to flush them.... I get the whole, flush em idea, i really do....and that worked for her.  but it wasn't working for me.  And I told her that.  It is what it is.  I've taken 3 total since my withdrawls 24 days ago.  I think I'm good....don't you"?

[oxyaddict420]

That is totally awesome YES!  Is it the fioricet with codiene, or without?  If it is without then that is even way more amazing since there is no narcotic, but only a samll amount of barbituate.. I have a full bottle of fioricet and dont ever touch it since it does nothing for me or my withdrawl either.. I have maybe 15 50mg tramadol left after a bottle of 120.. But those were taken around 2 months ago when I ran out of everything.. they did hold the withdrawl at bay better than having nothing. Dang they gave me energy as well.. But I did not have any w/d from them. THANK GOD!

You are awesome and DONT FORGET IT!  

SCREW WHOEVER SAYS DIFFERENT..

YOU HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT KIND AND SUPPORTIVE TO ME THROUGH MY RECOVERY ATTEMPTS.

[bobby139]

Don't listen to the evil comments...I don't know much about you but u r here and u are trying. Everyone has to do it there way. People can give advice but what we are here for too is to stand behind you no matter what.
We are here for you.
flutterby....you too, you have to do what you need to do. just hang in there both of you and keep posting for those who really care how it is going.

God Bless  :)

[Flutterby111]

WITHOUT CODEINE-Yeah baby!  No opiate-at all!

Bobby-thank you! U are super kind....

Yes, we have to find what works for us!  What's working for me is that these opiates have caused me depression, and I'm the happiest person I know....and that tells me that this drug is evil and I'll never touch it again....I get angry when I crave it...but my addiction goes back so far with so many other chemicals, I was bound to get hooked on these too, when the doctors were giving them to me like candy....dirty sheisters.

[oxyaddict420]

good job WITHOUT CODIENE~

I know what you mena about certian DR's that just wirte a Opiate script like it's getting candy from a store or something.. Oh well. here we are, and now it is all on us.. So I am glad we have eachtoher, and that we are going to beat this ****..  Thanks for the positive post BObby!

[LONESOME]

WHOA! YOU HAVE JUST HELP ME SO MUCH TODAY YOU AND EVERYONE HERE THANK YOU, TODAY IS MY 4 DAY OF OF HYDOCODONES AND MY 3 DAY ON SUBOXONE I'M ON 8MG A DAY NOW I DID 10MG FOR 2 DAYS AND DID 8MG YEST. AND I'M TRYING TO DO 6MG TODAY BUT IF I CAN'T I'M NOT GOING TO STRESS ABOUT IT AND YES SO FAR IS BEEN THE BEST CHOICE FOR ME AND ONLY ME, BUT ANYWAYS OXYADDICT YOU AND ME AND EVERYONE HERE ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AND YOU KNOW WE WILL MAKE IT AT THE OTHER END I PROMISE YOU THAT I FOUND OUT THAT I'M SO WHAT BIPOLAR AND I WAS MEDICATING MY SELF WITH THE WRONG MEDICATION, NOW THE DOCTOR PUT ME ON TRILEPTAL AND I'M DOING GREAT I SEE THINGS SO CLEAR NOT IN A FOG AND I'M HAPPY MY SELF AGAIN, AND YES I THINK WE NEED TO DO A FAST DETOX LIKE A 2 WEEK MAX WITH SUB I'M NOT AN EXPERT BUT PEOPLE HERE HAVE HELP ME MORE THAN MY OWN DOCTOR LOL, MY NEXT STEP IS TO GO TO COUNSILING I'M CHOISING NOT TO GO TO NA MY CHOICE ONCE AGAIN, BUT THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH THANK YOU OXYADDICT AND HANG IN THERE WE LOVE  YOU, I LOVE  YOU OK.

[CarissaLou]

HOW IS EVERYONE DOING TODAY? ARE YOU CLEAN? IF YOU ARE GIVE YOUR SELF A PAT ON THE BACK. IF YOUR NOT THAT IS OK YOU CAN DO IT!!!!

[CarissaLou]

NA CAN BE HARSH BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMENT AA. EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT AN ALCAHOLIC. I FIND IT TO BE MORE PEACEFUL AND CAN STILL RELATE TO A PERSON WHO HAS ADDICTED WAYS . I GO THERE AND LISTEN TO PEOPLES FEELINGS NAD THE NI CAN RELATE.

[oxyaddict420]

Still taking smaller doses of oxycodone until my suboxone appointment on March 11th, but I have went down EXTREMLY on my daily dosage and hourly dosage. As some of you might know I was abusing 30-40mg per 2 hours all day and night!  This was a horrid daily intake, but now I am taking 20-30 mg at most every 4-5 hours.. Ao this has been effective in making the pills last longer.  I have felt the slight witdrawl feeling around the 3 1/2-4 hour period, but I get through it.. I cannot wait until the 11th..

Also to LONESOME.. There is a new study that shows that only a little over 20% success for short term suboxone treatment, as where there is a 78% SUCCESS RATE FOR LONG TERM SUBOXONE TREATMENT.. This is where personal preference plays a part in recovery. We are all different and have to find what works for US!!