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Similarity of fentanyl (Duragesic) to heroin. . .

Hey everyone. . .just a discussion-opener and thread-starter for the day.  I've read several posts from folks here who have used/are coming off of Duragesic (fentanyl) patches of varying strengths.  Seems like most of these folks, however, have had them prescribed for legit reasons and have used them as directed.  My question is, is anyone else familiar with the NON-approved methods of using these patches (that would include mainly ingeston)?  Back in "the day", I would either cut them up or place them intact inside my mouth, and then. . .over and out (to the point of underestimating strength once and almost getting killed several times while driving home).  As I understand, medical fentanyl can actually be stronger and more "pure" than garden-variety smack, especially the way I took it.  Any other opinions/experiences would be interesting to hear. . .some of the things I did to get my hands on this drug are extreme, and I am most certainly NOT proud of any of them. . .seems very similar to heroin as far as the "drawing power" it had to get me to do things I would have otherwise (and now) find reprehensible.  Also, I've had bad dreams the last several nights about using everything under the sun, and so am a little shaken up these days -- especially since I've had no CONSCIOUS cravings for the **** in what seems like forever.  Can anyone else relate?  

Lastly (I promise). . .what is the "DA" BBoard I've heard several here refer to (and where?)  Judes, good to hear from you, maybe you can help with this. . .more later.  Thanks to everyone in advance. . .

Peace,

Kurt
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Sorry to keep "bugging" everyone but does anyone have anything good to say about Duragesic?? Or , in the alternative, does anyone have anything less than terrifying to say about the withdrawals???  Is Bup the only thing left?
Thank you and I really do hope I can find myself in a place sometime where I can be of help to all of you as you have to me.  Many thanks, Linda
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Congratulations to you.  I kept up with you from day one and I am so proud of you, I still don't know how you did it cold turkey. Keep up the great work, I'm sure you are an inspiration to everyone here.  Isn't it great to be free of those demons.  I have been free for 4 months from ultram and still going.
Take care, Sandstorm

I am now going to enjoy the day with my family!
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Well..Thanx for support...I
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You are not rambling.  Please keep up with your blood pressure because it was like my 2nd and 3rd month that I was having panic attacks because of my bp going so high.  My doctor said my anxiety was aggravating my bp and my bp was aggravating my anxiety so I was in a mess.  Thank God it is back to normal, but I was scared out of my wits.  It has been normal for a month so finally my doctor believes me now.  I told him it was withdrawls, but he could not believe it would last that long, now he does. He said it has really educated him.  I was very blessed to have such a great doctor, he even gave me his cell phone number.  Can you believe that? I am also sorry for rambling but, do have your bp monitored.
Take care, Sandy

It took me 7 months to wean off because I kept slipping.
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Hi,

I have been reading the post for about four months and this is the first time I've written anything.  I feel like I know all of you and thank you for all of your help.  See, you are helping people and you don't even know it.  You really kept me going.

I just got off ultram 4 months ago and it is the worst experience I have ever been through.  I was under a Doctor's care and he helped me wean off of them for about 7 months.  I had been on them for about three years and was told they were not addictive, so the rest is history.  

I just wanted to tell Kim and anyone else, please tell your Doctor if you can and taper off.  I know everyone is different and some people can go cold turkey and I do applaud them.  I am 54 with high blood pressure so it was a lot harder for me, I'm sure someone younger will do better than I did, I hope.  Just please be careful, this is some "BAD ****". In the begining I had so much energy and I thought a lot of it was due to no more pain, but I could do 10 millon things in a day, but in time all of that wore off and I took it just to get up in the morning.  Sometimes, I wish I had some and with my addictive personality I'm sure the craving will continue to be there,  but every day it is getting better and better.

Kim, please be careful and let your doctor know exactly what is going on.  I was also given clonidine and 3 blood pressure medicines.  I ended up in ER twice and my bloodpressure was 210/130 (stroke level) through wd.  I'm not trying to scare you and I'm also alot older than you, but take care of yourself through this.  Also, congratulations on the xanax.  I went through that a year ago and I have to say that was worse than the ultram to come off. But they are both awful to quit.

Congratulations to everyone and thanks again.  You are in my prayers.

Sandstorm
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you hang in there..it gets a little better each day....don't you feel good about your self...clean for a week?  you should!  Today is day 13 for me and i feel great this morning...it's so nice getting up in the morning feeling good, not being in w/d and having hit some pills to fill normal...life is good...and it will be for you to very soon...good luck...Jack
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GRrrr ossssSS!
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Thanks for responding. Im kinda waiting for the witdrawls to slap me in the Face. If this should happen I will return to my 15mgs and start slower. The bordom is just killing me thats all. And it is just a test. As I said if I go into full boar wds Ill up my dose. No need to be sick. Just cant tell ya how much better I feel taking those vitamins. I think addicts forget to take care of their bodies because all they focus on is the pills. I think just replenshing some of the missing ingredients to make a body work can do wonders for anyone. Again thanks for the advice and Ill keep you posted on wether I get that slap.
Take care and much respect to you,Melissa
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I agree that you have done a great job Jack Daniels. I am also about a week clean but you mentioned you are also going to meetings EVERY day?? Dude, you gotta be my hero man. Going to meetings and Jonesing? It was about all I could handle to drag my sorry ass to the bath tub. Keep rockin!
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Hello everyone! I am hoping that Goldie 52 reads this or someone will get this info to her if I can't but stopping xanax cold turkey is EXTREAMLY DANGEROUS TO YOUR HEALTH AND WELL BEING!I was on a much smaller dose a few years ago and tried to quit cold turkey and had a sezior! I then found out how dangerous and chance of being fatal this is! Please talk to a doctor before quiting cold turkey, at least the xanax! I (after getting out of the hospital) had a plan with my doctor to cut down 1/2 a pil a month. It may seem like a long time, but the withdrawel was very minimal. I have been off them for about 2 1/2 yrs. Go slow with them. Also, the golden one, I am getting off ultram right now. I am so not looking foward to this, I have tried like 15 times already on my own, now I have a doctor involved who is helping me. I have clonidine to help with wd but I am still adjusting from like 15 a day (or so) to 6 and even that is going to suck as you surely know.I think for me the best way is going slow with help and support. I have got off heroin (4 1/2 yrs), and methadone ( went to a friggin clinic every day for 2 yrs! The great liquid chains! I've been off that 2 1/2 yrs, perscription drugs (God knows how long), OH, and I haven't drank or did yayo(coke for anyone who doesn't know) for 4 1/2 years. I did get arrested, lost my home, family, self, and just about everything! You can get it back! Even if you do go that far, you can always turn back! Lots of prayer, meetings, connection with people like this! I just finished a semester in college and got all A's! I don't know how, probably because I lost my job too, so besides taking fistfuls of ultram, that is all I had to focus on. I have been delivered out of many a mess, but I'm a dumb F@%K that has to always get into something else (although I had no idea that they were addictive until it was too late). Next with my very addictive personality, I'll get addicted to motrin (cigarettes and coffee). At least the wd won't be so bad. Sorry I'm rambling! bye KimH
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I agree wholeheartedly.  I always recommend to people to at least take a multi-vitamin during detox.  It is so true we don't exactly eat right.  I should start to take my own advice as well.  I hope you continue to feel well.
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Hi ... I hope you see this message. The thread up on top was full. Your pup most likely has worms .... You need to get him to the vet with a stool sample ASAP! Mine had two different kinds of worms. Also ... even though he is a baby, don't give him milk.
That can cause diarhea. I wouldn't give the dog immodium. If you have a vet .... call them. They usually help us over the phone. There are anti-diarhea meds you can get in your local pet store.
Good luck with your Pooch ..... Goldie
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Hey there!  It's a great day am I'm feeling awesome!  (just got my hair cut...always puts me in a good mood).  Haven't started down my road to pill-less days yet, but I'll get there.

Just wondering, did you have a chance to talk to your mother about the prednisone thing?

Peace out...Nana

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That's alright.  Just joking with you.
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I am sorry.  She told me it was years ago and even though the doctor weened her off, she still felt like **** for a day or so.  What you should do is go to www.google.com and do a search with "prednisone withdrawal" as your key words.  You should be able to come up with some info there.  Generally, the dose has to be slowly decreased.  I am not sure as to the rate at which this is done.  Again, I am sorry for not getting back to you on that.
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sorry
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Hey there!  It's a great day am I'm feeling awesome!  (just got my hair cut...always puts me in a good mood).  Haven't started down my road to pill-less days yet, but I'll get there.

Just wondering, did you have a chance to talk to your mother about the prednisone thing?

Peace out...Nana

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mr michele?  It doesn't make me a bad person, there thweety.
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Because of its half life and the way the body stores it, a change in the dose of methadone isn't instantly felt.  It could take up to a week.  Some people who just stop taking methadone without tapering....one day they are taking it and the next, they aren't.......won't go into withdrawal until the fourth day or so.  So, it is a little premature to say what it is.  The recipe won't keep you from going into withdrawal.  Do stay on it, though.  I know how addicts want everything NOW.  Now that you are at 10mg, it might be wise to slow it down a tad.  You are going to do what you want anyway, but I know I would love to see you succeed, that's all.  It generally goes with any opioid, but methadone is the supreme example.  Slow is the way to go and the lower the slower.  When you drop down in whatever increment you choose, stay there for a week or so to allow your body to get used to the dosage change.....sort of like a mini-stabilization.  Then, you drop another amount and let your body get used to that.....and so on.....
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thanx for the good word....and anyone can do what i did, you just have to do it...Jack
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yes ...it saved me as well...you have the right ideia to get off the ****..good luck and thanx for the good word...today is a good day i have famliy over and everyone is patting me on the back...the birds are singing the sun is shinning and we are all hanging around the poole and me with my laptop...i have be stoned for so long and that now i feel stoned with nothing at all...life is GREAT...good luck ...Jack
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My first order of business is to congratulate Jack on his success.You are a brave and dedicated soul and definitely someone I admire.
On the next note against everyones advice I wanted to see what would happen if I dropped 5mgs off my meth dose.Figured Id try it and if I couldnt handle it Id go back up. Its my 3rd day on 10 mgs oh but I must add beore I go any further that I startd the thomas recipe. So I feel good. And Im thinkin about now I should be feeling like death.Whats up?No complaints of course I was just bored with going sooo slow.Could it be the vitamins? Added tons of coral calcium to the recipe and takes care of my RLS within an hour. Should I be sick by now or is the worst yet to come. A reply would be much appreciated. I just want this **** out of my body as quick as possible so I can get on with my life.  PS The thomas recipe kicks ass.
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I would like to say I am proud of you and anyone else who has the cajones to see a detox from opiates through.  GOOD JOB!!!  Keep up the good work!  What you have accomplished is no small feat.  You should be proud of yourself as well.
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hey good people:
thankyou for your well wishes on my new job! it's been a long haul... through the worst winter of a long, long time! i can remember back to '78 where i had a real bad broken leg and was coming off of a long haul of morphine, dilaudid, and neumorphan. i couldn't find anyone to "pull the trigger" for me. that was the winter i met Irish Rose...

perhaps all the bad times are really just pathways to better ones. i can tell you this...this forum has saved my ass more than once

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
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