Soboxone and a non-addict??

[liscamdave]

So, I hope everyone's holiday was good. Mine was great.

So listen to this. I was driving home from work the other day and my only brother calls me and we are talking and he recently got put out of work due to a back and neck pain. He has been to a couple drs. and none have offered him pain meds. And at my own pestering, I made him fully aware of how he can be sucked into addiction. He doesn't feel as though it can happen to him he said. Anyway, he has been getting pain meds off friends. Perks and Norcos and stuff like that. Well, his idiot of a brother-in-laws girlfriend, who by the way is a recovering meth addict, offers my brother a suboxone. As he was telling me, he said "yeah, she told me to let it dissolve under my tounge and it was nasty". I knew instantly what it was. Mind everyone, my brother knows nothing of my addiciton.

Anyway, he told me within one hr he started to feel real good, then out of no where, he started to vomit and he was so sick. He said he was sick for two days. Has anyone ever heard of this happening to someone who is not an addict? Has anyone who is not addicted ever taken one? I just wanted to see if it was him or just how everyone who is not addicted would react. He described the symptoms almost like w.d. And I told him if he had opiates in his system already that it throws you into immediately w.d, but he said he hadn't taken a pill in 3 days prior to the sub?

Only my brother would eat a sub and not know it...lol

[Vegeta_chan85]

I tried a 1/4 of a strip, i do not take pain pills or h but my significant other does and wanted me to know how bad the subs taste. I took the strip and let it disolve under my tounge and felt high,itchy and very sleepy. When I could stay awake, several hours later, I was hit with extreme nausea and vomiting bile for hours. I was incredibly dizzy, and had to stay in bed for the rest of the day. Even moving my head around made me dizzy, and the smell of food and drinking water made me wretch. I would not recommend doing or trying them unless you actually need to be taking them.

[PurrfectlyKrazy]

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[Katkee]

I'm not an addict to anything, and my bf who takes subs wanted to see what would happen if I tried a little peice of one. I took the smallest piece of the corner, and it made me feel dizzy, dehydrated, and nauseous.. I felt like I really needed to drink some water but when I did I barfed it right up. All I wanted to do is lay down and sleep, and any time I stood up I started feeling ill and pukey again. It was a terrible experience and I will never try subs again. It makes me sick thinking any human can handle taking a whole strip, let alone two or more strips in one day, when just the tiny little corner made me feel like I was going to die. Scares the **** out of me.

[nursegirl6572]

You guys would be better off starting your own threads, as you've posted on a very old thread, they tend to get passed over.

Also, we don't do the "swim" thing here.

[jennib80]

The doctor told me to wait until I was going through withdraws until I started the Suboxone, I did, and boy was it hell! little did I know that the Methadone I was taking stays in your system far longer than other drugs, and actually gets into your bones. I wish I would've known that!

[CLSLPG]

Ok, so I took a sliver of a sub strip (8mg sub) yesterday. Swim has them and I was really curious to see how they would affect a non addict like me. Don't get me wrong, I have had vics, norcos and vals prescribed to me for months at a time within this past year and Swim is always amazed on how I can take a scrip for three months and be done when the scrip is out. However, Swim has been a heroin addict twice in life, convicted and did time for the crime. Swim sadly was clean for three years until this past January. I had left to go to another state and Swim found people to hook up with for scrips. Not cool. Swim blamed me for leaving and getting back into the situation Swim has been in with before. In which case, I know I'm not to blame and I don't accept that sorry *** excuse for nothing. I was back in 6 weeks when Swim picked me up and told me about the new addiction. Soooooo,....fast forward to today. Swim has been taking sub strips for a week and half. Prescribed by a doctor. But only 4mgs a day the other half if in dire need later in the day. But so far so good. Swim is doing fine. I in the meantime have been researching the heck outta EVERYTHING these past few months to help and be here for Swim and Suboxone is really the last option. I came across this post yesterday before I tried the sub sliver just researching the effects for a non addict. And I can honestly say,..NO FREAKING WAY will I EVER jerk around like that again. Thank goodness research pays off. If I were a bigger ******* I probably would took more,...thank goodness for common sense. I did get a high from it, but threw up three times afterwards. Took a few hours until I did, and it wasn't like I was throwing up forever afterwards. Just three quick trips, but many false trips before that. Ugh.. still felt a little queasy this morning. I'm all good now. Curiosity got me and nipped me. I'll take a killer before I ever try subs again. I wouldn't suggest anyone non addict to take one, but then again I know tattoos hurt and suggest some to get one.

[worried878]

I would reckon he may have put an 8 mg pill under his tongue and boom..took 3 days to get out of his system..a friend was put on sub/a oxy addict..150 mgs a day and took 24 mgs the first day and was sick as a dog and scared to death for that few days til it left her system...dont know..he woulda had to have taken a large dose of narcotics for a while for the sub to throw him into wds and it doesnt sound like he did that..I am not sure you could go into wds if u r not an addict as u r not physically dependent on them/nor mentally..but sick yes

[liscamdave]

Hey Goat...stop pushing your NA rules on me and this forum. You did label him an addict and he is not. Thousands of people have tried every drug known to man and not all of them are addicted. So by your logic, if my 9 yr old daughter is sick, and is prescribed a med from her dr and only feels better when she takes it, and later on in life tells people "oh yeah, I had that stuff before" does that show addictive tendancies?? You don;t really know what you are talking about. You think because you have spent so much time in NA that qualifies you to judge everyone. I asked a question about something and now my brother is being labeled an addict because YOU want to call him that. Its nuts. He hasn't had one pills since. ANd is out of work on disability. He cannot work. And has refused meds from his dr. So is that addictive behavior?? I don't get what you mean. ANd i don't even want you to reply. Its done. This is from a while ago, but I just saw it and thought I would reply to you.

[mtgoat911]

i use a very clinical method to access addictive behavior, and remember that you can experience addictve behavior without being chemically induced
your definintion of an addict is this """. If he were getting script after script, running out early, dr.shopping, lying, stealing, pill counting, """
that is a more obvious addictive personality, but does not cover the entire spectrum

here are the red flags for me on this post

1. taking a pill that is not prescribed for you is addict behavior, and dangerous period, agree or disagree, this statement is very true, did i say that your brother is addicted to opiates? No, i said that this behavior is a sign or addict behavior
2. and i quote "". My brother has done every drug known to man from his early teens on and never once got addicted""
why do you think your brother did these drugs?

why do you think that it is reaching to say that someone who has tried every drug known to man, is not expressing some type of addictive personality, after all a health person will not try crack, herion, suboxone, and the other drugs he has done

this is not an attack on you or your brother, i am in no position to say if your brother is an addict, and i did not say that he was..... based on the information you have provided about your brother, and learning a bit about your personal and family history through other post , i do not think that my statement was non-sense, infact this is a subject that i enjoy learning about

[cattalina]

Veyda - LMAO neck in my vein... holy crappola I'm dying!! I didn't even notice it at first either!! LOL Too funny. That's so funny cuz I used to love the smell of dope, like love it. Now if I smell anything that resembles it I automatically get queezy - and I had an iron stomach back in the day. Everyone I knew would be retching up a storm and I'd be laughing like a hyena. It's strange how our bodies build up barriers against that type of thing after awhile.
Lisa Lisa!!! scratch n sniff?? LOL Wicked funny! I've been around... pissing people off as usual!! I'll pm ya later we have much to talk about!! Luv ya girl!! :)
And I agree - taking a pill thats not presribed isn't necessarily addict behavior. There are some situations when it doesn't go to that extreme.

[liscamdave]

LOL...we know what you mean., Like i said above, I can remember when I first started to take percs, I would throw up, then as my tolerance grew and my addiction grew I no longer got sick. I found ways to not get sick, like eating, laying down, cutting pills. Then as I got into 30 pills a day, I found the almighty Oxy Contin and when I started that, a little quarter of an 80 got me sick as a dog. I felt great, but threw up each time I took some until my tolerance grew and grew. And by the end of my addiction, if I looked at an 80 I could instantly feel how good I would be feeling within the hr I ate it.

Man, I remember being in a pharmacy getting my script for Sub when I first started it, and the pharmcey had one of those pill books on the counter, you know with all the pictures of each and every pill known to man. Well, I instantly flipped to Oxy's and you would have thought that thing was a scratch and sniff...just looking at that pic made me think about how it felt...so I totally hear ya...LOL

[liscamdave]

Thank you Jen. Just because someone accepts a pain pill from someone to help ease current pain, does NOT mean that is addictive behavior. Now, if that person is searching for people to give him pain pills or buying them all the time off the street. Then yes, that is addictive behavior.

[liscamdave]

I did read your other post about poppin pills. I commented to you. I def don't think its cause you need to pop something. I truly believe that its because you honestly want to be done with your addiction. And when you stop, you go through all these emotions, some are depressed and you have no energy. So you want to take somethin to help get it all back quicker, At least that is why I took the vitamins when I first stopped for good. I am going on one year sober. If I did it, you can most certainly do it. Im here if you need anyting at all...

Lisa

[liscamdave]

You crack me up. Where have you been?? I miss my NOVEL PM buddy. I know what you mean..I would think anyone with no tolerance to opiates would get sick from something that strong.

It used to happen to me, until I got my tolerance up to more then a 300lbs man could take. Those were my dr.s words...lol...

Hope you are well honey...I miss you!!!..

Lisa

[lovemypillhead]

i know i dont have to...but im gonna.....

Goat said it is addictive behavior to take a pill that wasnt prescribed for him.............that is just nonsense.

My brother is against anyone who drinks, smokes (cigs), does drugs, etc. I mean, against. He has zero tolerance.......I am such the black sheep of the family....at least to him....because of what i have been thru but regardless  that is how he is.  He isnt addicted to anything...except perhaps saving money......and, that of course is a good addiction.

Once, he had a HORRIBLE toothache.  I cannot remember if the dentist already worked on the tooth or if it was the wkend or what....but, he was like in massive pain ready to die.  Well, my ex-husband had pain pills...dilaudids....from when he had kidney stones removed and he never took them.  He offered to give my brother some to help him with the pain.  My brother says ok....because he was dying.  He actually "OD'd" on them...that's how much about pills he DIDNT know....so he took too many.

It was so ironic that my brother, of all people, OD'd on something.

That is hardly addictive behavior and anything to worry about.

[Nattefrost]

Well Im glad he threw the rest in the garbage. I didnt know You were on the site for 2 years (I never look at profiles, just the forums maybe I should check people that I talk to profiles). Ive only been here a month I hope I will hear from you more often as you seem real experienced on here. Suboxone has to be a real powerful pill as I still believe that was it (even with NO opiates in the system) did you read my post about popping pills I have to go back I think you did. I dont know much about Celexa.

[cattalina]

Any kinda post regarding sub has a tendency to be taken in a different direction!! Your bro got sick cuz he has NO tolerance to opiates and sub is a super strong opiate. What happened to him is normal for non-addicted-dependent-tolerant people. I'm not sure about interactions with anti-depressants, so it may have been a combo of the two. (How goes it with ur peanut??)

And to Veyda - that's really funny you say that I knew this kid that would puke as soon as he SAW a bag of dope! lol  Maybe that's addict humor I dunno but it still cracks me up to this day!! What does it mean if an opiate addict doesn't gag or puke? I think in the middle of my addiction I did a ton of oxy then chugged a Fruitopia and proceeded to yack up my juice. Since it only happened once - does that mean there's something else wrong with me in addition? I'm not trying to be funny I'm really being serious...

[AlessandrasMom]

Lisa,
I'm on Suboxone and my doctor prescribed me Celexa and I haven't had any problems with being sick.
M

[liscamdave]

Natte, LOL...thank you. I apprecaite you re-reading it. Seriously though, you are right. I have actually never heard of it either. That is why I asked. And what's more funny, I could NOT beleive that a recovering meth addict would even offer him a Sub?? I mean, who would do that? Like, she knows they are usually prescribed for opiate addicts. I know they are pain meds too, but typically they are given to opiate addicts, severe opiate addicts at that. So why on earth for my brothers little pinched neck and displaced rib would she offer him that? And god only knows why he would take it.

Veyda...you are definitely right. I remember the first time I took a perk, It felt good, but I had to lay down. If I stayed sitting up, I threw up everywhere, all until my tolerance built up for them. Then when I started the oxy's, omg...I threw up each time I took it until my tolerance grew so high, I stopped.

Thanks everyone...

Lisa

[liscamdave]

I know you aren't nate. I truly am not trying to come off as mad or anything. Believe me, i have been here going on two years, and its easy for certain discussions to escalate and alot of things get lost in translation over the comp. So I didn't mean to sound mean, I know you were just trying to help and answer my question. I acutally regret asking now, LOL. I thought the very same thing you did when he first told me. Because when he first got hurt, his work sent him to like 3 diff drs. And I thought that none offered him pain meds, then he told me one did and he declined. Pain pills has never been something he got into. He has just been taking what has been offered to him over the last couple weeks, which he should do either and I told him that.

But anyway, yes..you are right. I thought he had opiates in his system, but he said no. But knowing my brother, he probably just forgot. Who knows. I do think it maybe had something to do with the anti-depressants. He told me they are called celexa? Is that right? I think that is what he said. Maybe the celexa had something in it to make him sick with the sub? Who knows.

Anyway, thank you for your input and answering me. I hope he doesn't ever do that again. The girl who initially gave it to him gave him 4 - 8mg pills. He threw the rest in the trash he said..lol.

[Nattefrost]

And after re,re reading (ha, ha) your original post........
1-No, I never heard of this happening to someone who is NOT an addict this is the first I heard
2-I dont know anyone who is NOT addicted that has taken suboxone.

[nogie1717]

I am on Suboxone and a friend of mine wanted to try it, so I gave him a quarter of an 8mg.  He, like was stated above, got high and then got sick.  Suboxone is potent and with its long half life, people who aren't opiate 'savvy' will probably get violently ill.

[Nattefrost]

I'm not a doc but I still think it was the sub even though he had no opiates in his system just due to the fact that he got sick right after he took it.

[liscamdave]

Veyda, I don't think that is the answer people gave me, but I totally agreed you, I think that is exactly what it was. I think Sub is pretty strong for anyone. Addict, non-addict. To be honest, It was more of a story rather then a question.