Speed

[mnwild11]

I have a relative who has an addiction to pain medication, the medication he is on is, and forgive me if I mispell them, Lorzzapan, Zoloft, Nazapan, and Tylonal cold and flu. We found out that he was doing cocaine and he was brought in for detox. When they tested him, they found speed in his urine sample, and he swears that he has never done that, and I belive him. My question is, is there any way that any of these drugs has speed in them or was it just a medical mistake, or something else?
      Thank you for your time   Jason

[Chezz2]

Drug addicts lie, tests (usually) don't.
Enought said...

Chezz

[mrmichael67]

Yes.  Tylenol cold and flu most likely has pseudoephedrine in it.  That will give a positive for speed in a drug screen.

[mrmichael67]

Well, a false-positive.

[Chezz2]

Michael,

He was doing Cocaine, yet he said he had not done speed. I would bet the chances he was given speed during one of his cocaine runs, before I would believe a "false-positive". Yet the test showed up in the hospital as a "false-positive" for Speed, due to his use of Tylenol cold.
I would like the odds on that in vegas.
The tests these days are WAY more accurate than that. Not to mention the hospital would do a deeper test if they felt it necessary.

My 2 cents
Chezz

[mrmichael67]

I certainly wouldn't want to be your gambling partner.  I would bet on the more sure thing.  Sorry, but false positives are quite common due to many different things.  My clinic even warned me about certain things, cold remedies being one of them.  I take urines there once a month....unannounced, of course.  Here is a page that covers it:  http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/testing/testing_faq.shtml
Scroll down to "Test Standards and Accuracy" and scroll down and you will see the relevant info.  As you will see, the rate of false positives for amphetamines is quite high.

[Jennibean]

Sorry to bust in to this thread. Haven't been here in a while still recognize a few names. Well I quit coming because all I was thinking about was quitting my oxycodone and never actually starting, especially since I had a surgery ahead of me and the FEAR of withdrawal had me in bad shape. Well I made it through the surgery and then the most wonderful thing happened. I ended up in cold turkey withdrawal from 60 percocet a day and my Dr sent me to a neurologist beause I was twitching so bad she thought I was having a seizure, for that reason she would not give me my new script for percs. Well the neurologist said it was just jerking from withdrawals(which I knew) and sent me to a friend of his who gave me SUBOXONE!!! I will just say that this drug is saving my LIFE! 60 percocet a day and all I experienced was a little fatigue for three days and then BAM felt normal like I did before I started taking this ****. I have been on the suboxone for over a month now and while I still think about percs everyday it isn't an intense craving just a thought and physically I am doing so great. I have so much energy and when I wake up in the morning I spring out of bed with no yucky hang over I have to find my perc bottle now feeling. I feel great everyday! I am so happy, I never thought I could feel this happy again without percocet, although the percocet is also depressing because I always felt guilty being on it, you know what I mean. Anyway life is out there waiting for all of you again and it is awesome like it used to be and almost overnight. Too good to be true? Then try it. This is my experience with it. I figure this suboxone is giving me time to get my head straight and learn to enjoy life again. I don't really even fear getting off of the suboxone because I know my DR is not rushing me off of it and wants to make sure I am ready. In the meantime I am breeaking so many habits like watching the clock to see when my next handfull of percs is due. And going to the DR and just thinking all the time how to get my scripts early. I love this new found freedom. I know all of us will find our own cure if we keep trying I believe this is mine and I believe Suboxone is going to save and change millions of lives! If you feel like you are ready and fear is stopping you, fear no more and find a Dr in your area to try this med. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain!

Jen

[Chezz2]

Sorry...buddy...lol.

I don't have to take urinalysis's. Nor do I need to read up on the accuracy of the tests.
Must be one of the few that do...or have the time.

I was passing on my intuitive knowledge as well as personal assertation of the sitaution.
No more posts to either shall serve both a great purpose...

Chezz

[Chezz2]

Jen,

Glad you are back and posting. It is so nice to hear of all the people that suboxone is helping.
Lets hope this continues, and docs start to see the "light".
Congrats by the way......you have come a long way.

Chezz

[skipper]

hey people:
just my 2 cents, but i'll bet the urine test reading for speed was
one of two things....
1)the cold medicine
2)the cocaine was "streched" (addulterated with crank and novacaine). this is an old street dealers trick to get more "product" out of less...

anyhow.... methamphetamine or cocaine... either one makes treatment sound like a pretty good option, huh?

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[vikequeen]

how can a normal person get suboxone? can a doctor RX it?

[mrmichael67]

Whatever.

[mrmichael67]

Even though you were joking with me, I do notice you have a habit of calling people buddy that really aren't.  Actually, it's every time.

[Jennibean]

You can go to www.suboxone.com and they have a physician finder search on the site. You can put in your state and it will show you the closest Dr's to you who can prescribe it. They have to have some special training to do it. I wouldn't put in your zipcode for the search just your stae because the zipcode won't pull up Dr's in your area just your zipcode. There are no Dr's listed under my zipcode but when I did it by state I saw several within a 20 minute drive. I was sent to my Dr by luck but have gone to the site several times to read about suboxone and I recently got someone in texas to a Dr and a woman I met here just started seeing my Dr last week and after having a raging addiction she is in heaven at least that is how she describes it. I think most of us think it is too good to be true until we try it. Good Luck to you. I sound like a walking billboard for Suboxone and I am not I am just so amazed at the results I have gotten.

Chezz Hope you are doing well are you on suboxone??

[afriend]

Everyone knows here if they have did any cocaine at all it has usually been cut with just about eveything be the time it gets to the street. Street heroin runs from probably 2% to 5%, the rest is ?.....Same with cocaine, depending on the people you know, street coke may be 10 to 40%, maybey. 40 on the real high end. The rest is ?. Who knows, people cut it with eveything from baking soda to vitain B to ?. Coke is dirty, just as herion, just as crank. My bet is the speed comes from the dirty coke! Afriend

[mrmichael67]

I want to first say that I am pro buprenorphine, suboxone, whatever.  I think it is an excellent option.  
  
The bottom line is, all opiates or opioids are hell to come off of.  I ran across that link today and I think it is good to see a side of bup that is rarely seen as a lot are just getting on it.  I see some posts at times that make bup almost seem like the perfect option and that is misleading.  And, this post has NOTHING to do with methadone.  So, let's not go there, please?  I don't see that many that are in the process of getting off of bup and I think it is good to see that side of it.  From the viewpoint of someone who is living it.

[mrmichael67]

I think the point is being missed on the original question.  Is it possible that person could have been telling the truth?  Yes, it is.  Yes, it COULD have been speed.  Sure, it could have been.  No brainer.

[afriend]

by the way, I posted to you two also because I wanted to agree with you both...afriend

[mrmichael67]

That was quite obvious.

[mrmichael67]

Let me see.....we know he ingested pseudoephedrine vs speculating on whether the coke he did has speed in it.......i hope they never call you in for jury duty.

[mrmichael67]

Oh, by the way, I agree with Skipper's post as well.  It WAS most likely one or the other.  I just don't see why a snide remark to the original poster was called for when the person who made the remark even admitted to not knowing what he is talking about.  And, if I am so bad for pointing out that the person COULD have been telling the truth (like the good doc did), then shoot me.  I know you would like to anyway.  It wasn't necessary for Chezz to turn this into a get at mike thread by taking some shots at me, which he obviously did.  I gave one back.  Oh well.  Chezz's post to me was uncalled for and it was totally unneccessary for him to drag this out.  It's not right for him to make this place anything else than what it is intended for.  A place for people to get help.  Not a forum for him to take shots at others.  He does have email.  I am sorry to anyone else.  This will be my last comment on this subject.  I won't give him the satisfaction.

[afriend]

Yes, you were right too! I'll put a star by your name also! Why does eveyone in here have to take shots at each other?....We all have good things to contribute, right or almost right. I didn't know that this was court T V. Lets argue thru our e-mail and not here.

[aks]

I am new to this problem - so forgive any stupid questions.  I have a friend who has suffered from pain due to ruptured discs since last Oct. and has just recently undergone surgery to correct the problem.  Unfortunately she has been taking so many prescription pills since Oct. I don't think she can just stop.  The pills that I KNOW she is taking include: Morphine patch, Neurontin, Celebrex, Flexeril, Oxycodone, Valium, and Wellbutrin.  Her behavior has become irratic lately (past 3-4 months) and she has stopped coming to work. She hasn't been to work since the last of Feb and says she hopes to return by Aug.  Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, AKS

[vettezr1]

Dude I saw your post below; keep in mind while the medications you listed can most certainly effect someone’s personality so can having major surgery and being in pain.
Its not the most pleasant thing to have to endure it can cause a host of responses from someone to withdrawing or becoming irritable or just not wanting to be around people and I am not talking about the meds just the chronic pain part. Plus that’s a boat load of meds you listed I don’t have a clue what that **** would do to someone but I am sure others will jump in.  

[mnwild11]

The cold and flu WAS the reason why he tested positive for speed. I found out this morning. Thank you very much all for the help I appreciate it very much. Except for Chez.
       Jason

[vettezr1]

Lay off Chez at least he has the balls to speak his mind without the fear some ******* cry baby will **** his pants because the truth is to hard to handle.
Chez that GED crack had me pissing my pants laughing if reality is to much for some I can see why stopping pills is such a big issue. Instead of bitching and whining at Chez and others who point out the obvious focus your energy on the task at hand and quit shoving the **** down your throat.    

[freezing]

Jen,  DITTO!   I feel exactly like you do, being on subox too.  It is absolutely incredible.  I cannot believe more haven't started on it, reporting their successes.


p.s.  (Why would someone waste perfectly good speed on a batch of coke?  The mmt kliniks even warn you about the false amphet pos's from some cold and other otc meds.)

[mrmichael67]

Excellent point.  Also, the person would have known methamphetamine was in the coke because it burns your nose.  No mistaking it.  I guess all addicts are just liers, right?

[mrmichael67]

Why does everyone have to take shots?  Good question.  Why did you?

[mrmichael67]

Here is the suboxone physician locator:  http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/index.html

[afriend]

because your easy!

[mrmichael67]

I can see your intelligence is really working this morning.

[pammy0690]

I didn't know you were on Suboxone?  How is it working for you?  It is a good option for some folks not so good for others.  Just curious, Pamela

[terter]

Since it seems I will get a straight answer I would like you guys in this line of posts to answer a ques I have. I have been out of touch with my sis for a while we started talking resently she lives in So. Cal While I live in central Ca. During our conversations about my pill habit that I have since stopped she said she has sciatica and the only thing that takes away the pain is the **** which I took as meaning crank, Can one of you guys tell me if she will have w/d if she stops and what they will be like and what would help her get through w/d from the crank. Thanks TER

[terter]

You remind me of a tell it like it is person who will no matter what not hold back the truth, Then I read the storie about the older woman in college. It seems if were lucky enough to have experienced someone that positive in our lives we have a will to go on with out drugs. I am a 41 yr old F who spent the first 38 years watching my family on drugs. My Mom w/ morphine, alcohol ect who has since stopped- My brother/alcohol/ my sis- crank and my older sis murdered, put on her knees and shot then thrown in a well, I've never blurted this stuff out so I'm on a roll, Growing up I witnessed my step father being shot in the neck by my Mom (self defense) then again years later shot and killed her next husband which was self defense also. My question is do you think people who live with a lot of despare and find that magic pill or whatever there demon is are more likely to be an addict? and also I've been drug free for 8 days from vics 20 a day for  almost 3 years and my cravings are worse today then ever, any suggestions on getting my mind out of the drug gutter.  Thanks TER

[skipper]

mnwild11:
first of all, please allow to appoligise for any part i played in the "shot taking/character assination that took place over your question! it was certainly legitimate, and deserved an answer without the "emmotional baggage" it solicitted!

chezz22: we've never interacted much...but i must say i've largely enjoyed your post and look forward to them! i do believe, that perhaps a slighly less abrasive (like i have room to talk here!) remark "drug addicts lie..test don't!!" might accomplish more. i know that you or i or any of us aren't here to win populaity contests! for what ever its worth...ok?

mrmichael: if you agree with my post, then please tell what the snide remark i (allegedly) made to the oiginal poster. i will be the first to admit to you or anyone else, i'm human! i let emotioms take over when perhaps they should be left out. at any rate i have less. of a desire to have "pissing contest" wth you, as you desire one with you....

every last one of us,
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Chezz2]

TO All:

My first comment on this thread was brass with a twinge of assholenish. Then I went and threw a line at Michael and he jumped at it with like 5 posts.
I was wrong for that and apoligize. (although I did think it was funny how far he jumped ;)
It was for something unrelated to this forum and I will keep it out of here. I felt personally betrayed by him and took it here. Wrong idea. Done deal.
That is why i posted - I was passing on my intuitive knowledge as well as personal assertation of the sitaution.
No more posts to either shall serve both a great purpose...

To END the posts and continue helping. I did, someone else couldn't handle just leaving it at that.

FURTHERMORE :

Vetter - I have been here for quite some time. I like to keep it real. Sometimes we have a way of kiddin ourselves. Like saying we are taking 8-10 percs when we REALLY are munchin 15-20, with some Valiums as back ups. I KNOW, cause I have done it myself. Its hard to face reality, and even harder to tell others.

Pammy - So glad to see you posting again girrrrlllllyyyyyy. No suboxone for me. Not sure were you got that from. But anyhow, I have been spending a lot of time researching it and its correlation to addiction. Something just doesn't seem right about it to me. KUDOS to Michael for being the first to point it out. I think he said something in another thread that it isn't the magic pill its made out to be.
I currently am on a great pain med plan with my new PCP here(remember I moved to the north mid west) And so far I have done great. No more running out, low, ect. Just treating my pain PROPERLY(which can be a m.****** for some,including me in the past) Tomorrow I go in for a 4th epidural.
I also went fully wireless, so no more laying on the floor typing with my computer next to me. Now I can cruise anywhere with the laptop and type away.

Terter - My only suggestion to ALL post opiate users. You have to change your WHOLE life around. If it means moving to a new town, changing jobs, ect. DO IT. If that is the only way you are going to keep yourself clean, it can end up saving your life. Join clubs, go walking, ANYTHING to get your a$$ out of the house. Feed the ducks at the park. Go back to school, its never too late. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

Chezz

[mrmichael67]

Sorry if I was unclear, but I was referring to Chezz.  I did notice that and I am sorry.

[mrmichael67]

I honestly had not one problem with your post at all.  It was right.  I didn't want to bring it up, but my problem is with what Chezz has spelled out.  We did have a falling out and he did bring it here.  I posted to the original poster (the one with the question) and that was it.  From that point, Chezz directed his posts at me.  And, flat out dismissed what I posted with some vegas odds comments.  That was completely unnecessary.  This isn't a ******* contest.  And, I should be able to post here without being harassed.  And, sorry for the French.  Oh, and by the way, I didn't jump that far for Chezz (however he put it).  If anyone knows me at all they know I never gather my thoughts into one post.

[Chezz2]

Mike,
As I said before, I brought in something that was not meant for here and apoligized.
I wouldn't have said anything if it didn't bother me about our aquaintanceship falling out.
I am man enough to admit it and have made it clear I am sorry for bringing it here, and taking shots when I should have left it well enough alone.
No harm, no foul.
Bottom line is we will all have different opinions. And as I have said before, I highly respect your intellect when it comes to Rx drugs and think it is great you share your knowledge with others in need, without even expecting a thank you in return.

If I may so though, a little heart, with the abundance of knowledge you have, can go a long way.  

Chezz

[oxic]

You all have  so much to offer; so please keep on keeping on!!!!

Good to see you again Skipper.

percs

[mrmichael67]

I explained to skipper what I meant.  I won't continue on about it.  I would hope you do the same.  I think dropping it would be the most respectable thing to do at this point.  It's a done deal.

[bmac]

I love you people, God it is soooooo good to be alive.
To all you people withdrawing or struggling with using move down here to Alabama and I will teach you how not to let the **** get to you and how to just say **** it I am a HUMAN BEING.........
Boy did that need to come out! Sorry Cindy!
Thanks to you guys that answered me when I was withdrawing once again, I needed you as always. I'll prolly be back all strung out but hey I ain't beating myself up over it 'no more'. I am a pain patient that happens to be an addict, get over it................I have!
   I love everyone of YOU and you know who YOU are!  Bill

[bmac]

Hey, I read your post about Chris Farley and if you would like to get your chalk out and email me and explin that all to me I would love to listen, I didn't understand it but it could have been 'all me'! LOL
***@****

[Thomas03]

cat fight!

[bmac]

Don't make me come over there and ***** slap youz guyz! LOL
Cat Fight  that was a low blow! But funny! I am so glad to be back again, this place will never change but if it did it would be a bore!       Bill

[Chezz2]

Wouldn't that be right you little hillbilly. LOL.
Glad to see you are back and in good spirits Buddy.
Hope things are going well in Ba'ma.
I have been meaning to get back to your email. I'm still on chapter 2, so it may be a day or so. ;)
Your posts always bring a little laughter and cheer to this place.
Amd boy do you know how to get the girrrrlllllllllzzzzzzzz!!!
Chezz

[peaz]

Yo, Billy--You been BLABBIN' again???!!!!  LOL  What  did I TELL you>>>??

[pammy0690]

Peazela you are one to talk about blabbin' girl!  Love you guys!  Pammy

[peaz]

Yo Girlie-girl!! I didn't tell a SOUL about our meange a tois 'cause me and you PROMISED we wouldn't....So what RU speakin' of Wench???  LOL   Peazella