Suboxone Answers

[3YinYang3]

Ok, so crazy enough I'm here cuz, I try to stay away from all these online forums. 9 xs out of 10 they fill your head with fear and doubt and lies for that matter. So Ive done the real kick. I think some people on these forums dont know what a real opiate kick is like and they're having there withdrawals and all and type about how its Hell, and scare other people from doing what they need to do. 2 years ago, I/we were up to sharing 10 80's a day and 10 to 12 10mg norcos a day for about 8 months.  We jumped cold turkey and went on the train ride that stops in Hades and has a two month stay. Crapping your pants, soaking the sheets, kicking and twitching, sandpaper skin, and the weakness that makes it hard to even cover yourself with a blanket, or to go to the bathroom. Lets not forget the veil over your eyes that makes everything seem dark and sad, and that awful smell in the bathroom from your deodorant, soap, etc. Ahh ya, a real kick, I lost 35 lbs and couldnt so much as comb my hair for two weeks.
So, after that kick(#3) I was for sure done forever, uh, nope. & months later, Dr. Feelgood kept offering norcos and one visit I finally said yes, thinking I knew what was up and would keep it as an occasional good time.  Wrong again.  Before long it was full blown again, to that point where you gotta stop or your gonna lose things. Job, House, marriage, etc. This time though I had insurance, so my wife and I got on suboxone.  First the pills, then the sheets. Which I recommend for weening.  Much easier to cut slivers with a razor blade. Now we took first 16mg, then I crashed to 8, which didnt bother me at all. Then I jumped to 4mg, and I was feeling really weak and tired all the time, but it didnt feel like withdrawals. I got used to 4mg finally and did that dose for a month.
So here we are....I didnt ween down to .25 mg, maybe that would make things better, i dont know.  Our Dr. said he advised his patients to jump after the 4mg because he said it doesnt really, fully work at that dose anyways. Heres the specifics. Im on day 8, its almost in the books. The first 2 days are nothing. They trick you into thinking, this is easy! Day 3,4,5,6,7, were hard, but lets not think its a severe kick. It ***** but it IS easier than the others.  Funny, it seems to go in waves, feel like crap for a few hours, then feel good for a couple.  But understand, that good is better than you were, but not normal. Its very hard to sleep still, 5 showers and 6 craps and counting today. But different from other kicks, each day I did some things. Washed truck, or worked in the yard, vacuumed house...those kinda things.  My legs were 10 feet behind me tied to a log but I was doing it. Yesterday we took our son to the batting cages.  I wanted to do something physical to help. As we were there, busy, I felt half *** ok.  It is true being active, forcing yourself no less, does help. Im sweating like a pig now, and get the occasional chill, but its manageable. My fear though, is that Im gonna feel like I do for 30/60 days. Im making it each day, but it kills me to not know the magic number and to think that I could have 30 plus days of the same feelings. I dont think so though, Today has had some bad times but its strange how it does seem better, yet worse. Like yesterday I didnt have the runs, which is usually the first thing to hit me, but its here day 8? Day 6 I couldnt hardly get out of a chair but right now, not a problem. Best I can say is it goes in waves. One last thing. Im taking.....2mg clonidine at night, I noticed it helped the jimmy legs once for sure, Potassium, Vit.C, Milk thistle,probiotics, protein drink, vitamin water, and a multi vitamin. This Ive shared is absolutely accurate, I know what it feels like to search the web for answers and read horror stories. Suboxone is hard, different, but easier than others...thats a fact. I just dont know bout how long....Anyone?

[3YinYang3]

day 11, constant chills and sweats, tired of being tired. days cant go quick enuff now.

[3YinYang3]

Day 9 almost done. First half of the day wasn't to bad. Went to Dr. and got ambien, hope it works. Ive only been lightly sleeping a couple hrs at night. Cant wait to wake up and say "this is day 10, double digits".  Cant wait to feel normal all the time. I'm not gonna slip, but its getting drawn out, quick.

[3YinYang3]

well here it is midnite and even though ive taking valerian root, .2 mg clonidine and 2 antidepressants that are supposed to help u sleep, Im wide awake. Thanks to all for your support and advice.

[Clong45]

Hit reply to early...anyways..keep it up!  It only gets better!

[Clong45]

Yes it comes in waves for sure.  I am on day 15 off subs and still having a few episodes, but they are pretty mild.  This is my second time trying to be rid off Subs.  I've been hooked on every opiate. OC's and Heroin being my worst...so I thought..Suboxone withdrawls are mild compared to OC or Heroin withdrawls, but they last longer.  This being said.  I think suboxone is the worst.  Very bad to be hooked on and alot of doctors over prescribe it.  Suboxone reaches it's ceiling at 4mg.  I can't see why your doc said to jump off at that amount,  That makes no since to me.  Especially if you have been taking it longer than a month. I jumped off at 2mg.. Regardless, you are on day 8...very good!  I would expect about a month till you start getting back to normal,  Insomnia lasted till about day 11 for me.  Keep

[hangetsu]

Thanks for posting your story. I agree a lot of people don't know what it's like to kick a heavy duty opiate habit, or should even go on Suboxone to get off opiates, and while they think they're going through hell haven't met the devil.

I was on Methadone for 10 years and while I could go CT off Oxy couldn't manage it with Methadone. I went on Suboxone for a little over 3 years to get my mind right, break old habits and cut old ties. Once I thought it was time I tapered off more slowly than you did over a longer period and didn't suffer withdrawals symptom that compared in any way to Oxy or Methadone WD's.

I can't give you a magic number when you'll start to get over the hump. You know it has a long half life and then there's the possibility you'll go through PAWS, but you've been through worse. Hang in there and don't give up.

Good luck.

[atthebeach]

hi welcome to the forum. congratulations on wanting to reclaim your life.
it is slow right now. others will come on later. we have alot of people on here that have gotten off of subs. everyones detox and withdrawal are different. there is no exact time.it will take months for your body,mind,soul,emotions and spirit to be healed and restored.
yes the waves will come and go. first it will be hours and then it will be a few days of feeling ok and then some days of symptoms again. you are doing awesome.
keep moving forward. one day at a time. think positive. just take it as it comes. keep busy,exercise, keep hydrated,stay nourished.
stick around .there are alot of helpful,caring and supportive people.
keep the faith
sending prayers
debbie

[3YinYang3]

Sorry for the long post, but Ive really come to notice something...Because the suboxone has a hard time detaching from our receptors, Ive noticed that it falls in line with the wave idea.  You know some hours are really bad, and some are good.  As I sit here I have all my strength and legs about me. From my experience, on the 8th day, thats a miracle.  But what I think is going on is the sub or naloxone is holding on and then some breaks away so to speak and I then feel the efferct of the empty receptor, and after some hours I feel a little better.  Definetly strange, sub withdrawal compared to OC's