Suboxone withdrawls

[terri1289]

I need help. My daughter has been on suboxone since July. Every month or so she has "withdrawls" vomiting etc for several days. I think she takes about two tabs a day or less. Why the vomiting?

[steveo30]

it does sound very suspicious,especially once a month.i agree with catalina.

[mtgoat911]

cant get your page to pull up
here is the link
http://www.heroin-detox.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=41
i also wanted to share this with you, i know i come off a bit bossy and thats just me
i had a very low bottom and would rather be blunt then sugar coat this
addicts die if they dont get help, and no one wants to watch a love one die
but i have also found it terrible difficult to watch a loved one go through sub. treatment
my husband got clean a year after i did, he did the sub to quit methadone and the methadone to quit the pian pills
he had been on the sub for a while , and eventually it hurt me so bad seeing him on the sub that i had to let him go, i helped him get into treatment, then i refused to pick him up and he had to go into a halfway house for 90 days before i would take him back, we have 2 children and have been married 10 years
so this really hurt me, but i could'nt watch him nod out on sub anymore, he refused to acknowledge the defects that the sub caused so i had no other choice but to leave him, we can only do so much for the people we love, i have a few regrets but telling my husband its me or sub was not one of them
he actually just celebrated 3 yrs clean a few months ago
i know that sub patients think that they are doing themselves a favor by using this legal new methadone, but ask your children or other family memebers if they enjoy seeing you on this drug, fast forwarded 20 yrs and imagine a liver biopsy, the opiod antag. that is in sub is so hard on your liver!!! we only have one life and one body, even drug free there are things i need to change to live a better live, and being in recovery had made this much needed change possible, every year i get better,,,, i started recovery in icu and now i goto the gym everyday, this change would not have been possible if i stayed on sub.
its just natural for me to warn people of the dangers, and i give people suggestions based on my experience, at times i am tainted by them, i feel like everything i went though is for a reason and that reason is to help other people,
terri....sorry to highjack your thread, just wanted to let you know and others who may google this topic, that living with an addict is painful! it truly is a family disease, sub. will not fix the problem, just put a ban-daid on the real issues

[mtgoat911]

have you thought about kicking your daughter out?
if you goto any treatment facility family group, they will probably suggest na/aa for your daughter, then if she refuses help, they will tell you to let her go
as long as she has good dope, and trust me suboxone IS good dope!! and she has a place to stay and a mom that will take care of her while she is laid up in the bed, then there is no need to change
but if she is homeless, no money for sub., no family to fall back on.... then she will be forced to deal with her problem,,
my first year clean i had to live in a hotel because everyone cutt me off, and i am grateful they did that, i would be dead if they continued to "help" me
i am sending you a link to a recovery forum that can work with you on this
there is a seperate section for families
no one there is pro-suboxone, and all the people there have been on it, but are now clean from all drugs, they can share there experience, what it took for them to finally get clean
also a few are like me and work in treatment centers, they may have specific suggestions and resources

[A_Bomb]

I'd be willing to bet both my nuts that she is using once a month. And she is
A: Taking her opiates before the suboxone wears off or
B: She is not waiting to go into withdrawal before taking her suboxone after using.
Don't try to think positive and that this is some kind of reaction. A good way to find out if you really want to know; is switch her suboxone for straight up buprenorphine and see if she still gets sick. The naltroxone in the suboxone is what is making her get sick. If your involved with dispensing the meds I'm sure the doc would be accommadating.

[terri1289]

thanks...everyone.... you have helped more than you know. I won't give up.

[goldenarm]

She is so lucky to have you and she has no clue. Dont give up,one day it will pay off..Best to you....Let her read this when she is having a moment....When she is vulnerable and more apt to be open..

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

You are doing absolutely all that you can and she is lucky that you are around. Keep trying to get her on this site. Tell her we have a dope trivia night and maybe she could enter - - - - I have a feeling that there is a thing or two that she could still learn. But you are doing as much as a parent can do. And you are doing a great job of it....

[terri1289]

thanks but she isn't anorexic, she is really trying to get her weight up. It's not the same time every month, just about a month or so. She does take zanax and valium, for anxiety, yes that is true, and the valium to help sleep. Most of the leg shakes etc are gone. It must be that "friends" show up and she parties too much. I can't keep her at home so she is out a lot besides school. I give her a home and am working on getting her to turn this around.

[fishmeal]

gee, lot's of comments remember... buprenorphine, less is best and if she can get off NOW that would be good...... please be advised I am a person that has been on for almost 3 years.

[goldenarm]

Did it ever occur to anyone she might be anorexic on top of al of the other stuff and is throwing up food? Just a thought,however if it is the same time everymonth there must be something else like Money at that time? friend with resources < Money at that  time? Leaving house for the noght and coming back or? Not how sub works, dont throw up on it after intial treatment ,unless, and you said she takes Xanax with it and valuium or did i read this wrong? ISnt that in itself very dangerous?

[terri1289]

Dude, you are on the right path. You Can Do IT!!! You are being honest, and seriously getting help.  If you need help, love, support, then share with your parents. First they will help you and love you. They will probably feel guilty but talk to your psychologist about it first. I don't think they will be as disappointed but will feel guilty for not being better parents. So you need to discuss this first with your dr. so that it works out right. I am proud of you for taking responsibility, taking action, and working to resolve it. I guess you are from the midwest and since i am native ca. i think more aware of the drug culture. take your time. Baby steps. Don't overwhelm your self and create the "need" to go back to the other side. Good Luck!  If i helped you at all i would always be willing to talk you again. Keep the Faith. You Will Do IT!!!
Hugs!!!

[terri1289]

You are right she does need to get away from her "friends". I do have a place for her to go but she is too stubborn. Thank you for your help. I know that it is a struggle for her and that there is some reason why. I know that she has the urges however i can't really help her until she can tell the truth and be honest to herself and us. I told her about this site and what i have learned but she insists that she knows herself and that she isn't using to cause the withdrawls etc. All lies. She knows it all. My biggest fear is the call that she is dead. She od once here at home and almost died, the paramedics saved her and from that she says she will never shoot up again. So she smokes it. Still denial. I am still going to try to get her on this site and read all this. She is so lucky as you that she is loved and wanted. Thank you for your prayers and I hope this thanksgiving you give thanks for your second chance and how much you are loved by your special people.
You give me hope. Thank you!

[deeptrouble]

Okay, i guess i am not a complete junkie because if i am on suboxone, i am not engaging in junkie behavior (constantly plotting to get more, not paying bills, not seeing my friends, etc). However, i am and always will be an addict. That does not change. I will definitely tell my parents some day ... Right now, i am starting a new treatment program with a new doctor who is also a psychologist. I am looking forward to exploring the issues that led to my drug abuse. I want to know the root cause of this. In the meantime, I am not in a burning hurry to get off the suboxone. It doesnt really cause me any side effects - it did reduce my appetite, but smoking pot takes care of that. Other than that, suboxone gives me a way to live without being completely fixated on opiates. I would much rather be taking a steady dose of suboxone than being on heroin again.

I really wish your daughter the best. Hopefully, she can recognize and work on her problem before she hits a terrible bottom. I would agree with the rest of the posters here and say there is something fishy going on.

[CBS426]

Hi, I just wanted to write to you, because wow oh wow- your story sounds a lot like what I went thru with my mother. I'm 24, and have been clean almost 10  months. I was also addicted to heroin. I tried the sub route as well. I figured out that you could sell your sub on the street for a decent amount of money, so I would guess that's probably what she's doing. I would only use my sub for when I was completely broke, and had no other choice. For those that don't use opiates regularly, suboxone will really mess them up. My Mom use to give me my dose everyday, so she knew that I took it. I even got smart about that. I would hold it in my mouth, trying not to let it disolve, and then I'd spit it out as soon as she wasn't looking. In my case, I would lie to my mom about all my using, mostly because I did not want her to be disappointed in me. I felt like she could never understand, and wanted to save her the heartache of having a junkie daughter. As soon as my Mom talked to me about it, and asked questions that weren't towards me, but more towards the disease did I start to open up about how hard it was. It got to the point, where I would cry to my Mom about the struggle. She sent me away for 90 days to a program that truly saved my life. I did not have a lot of friends while using, but the one's I did have were also junkie's. All of them had been prescriped suboxone, and all of them ended up selling most of them- saving a couple for extremely bad days. In my opinion, suboxone is not the answer. She needs to get away from people, places, and things... go thru extreme withdrawal, and then work on the reason why she uses. I fight the urge to use everyday. I had to leave my home for 6 months, and sometimes feel it still wasn't long enough. This is life or death for her. Please don't fool yourself into thinking that she's having a reaction to the suboxone. It just sounds so familiar to me. Your family is in my prayers.

[terri1289]

FIrst of all are you a complete junkie or on sub? Yes your parents will fret and worry the worst part is feeling powerless that is how i found this site. You have too much going for you to throw it away and jeapordize your phd. Get Clean, and share you "success" story with your parents. That is the best way. Good Luck, You can do it if you really want to live "on the other side". No more lies. To yourself or others. That is the worst.
Good luck!

[deeptrouble]

Hang in there, Terri!

You posting here is making me want to tell my mom about my problems. im 31 and live 2400 miles away from my family. I desperately want to be able to talk to them about my addiction. Ive always been pretty open and honest with them. But I am worried that if I tell my parents, they will fret and worry and feel powerless. Plus, for the rest of the time we do have together, i dont want them wondering if I am on dope. Of course they have their suspicions = i never hid my drug use when i lived near them, but i also wasn't a complete junkie then. Now I most definitely am. I am also in the final year of a PhD and am independent, so it's not like im hitting them up for anything. It would just be nice to be able to talk to my mom about this - even if she has no clue what this is all about.

I would recommend not sweating the weed. I am on sub and in the past, have found marijuana to be extremely helpful for withdrawals. For me, it helps with pain, nausea, and anxiety (especially when I reduce my dose). I have not noticed any kind of interaction with suboxone.

[TrayCee]

http://www.suboxone.com/

http://www.naabt.org/

[cattalina]

I sent you a PM - go to 'Inbox' at the top of the page!!

[terri1289]

Thank you all so much, finally someone to talk to. She is asleep in bed from 3 days of vomiting. She was in rehab last year shortly after getting out she started again and got a dui. In july we took her to get on suboxone maintenece as the rehab didn't do that. I would love to get her on this forum but, she already knows everything, if you know what i mean. I would like to get the links to the real suboxone sites since most of them seem to be advertisements. So i would say she is still using,and needs to want to stop completely. I will look into the book becuase you know that i am sick and tired myself.

[cattalina]

Your likely right... maybe not giving her that much in advance would help a bit? She's so young - could you encourage her to come to this forum? I'm 24 and my doc was heroin as well - I've been on sub since April 07 and away from dope. If you could get her to come to this forum I'd love to chat with her.

It's dangerous enough that she needs to stop... I don't want to tell you something that might not be true, so please google suboxone and get more info. I have tons of links to site about sub if you'd like me to PM them to you.

[mtgoat911]

you may be able to help by having her committed, but thats reaching, i was commintted a million and one times to expensive tx centers and i just wasnt ready
and if she refuses to quit pot, theres nothing anyone can do except plant the seed
now you can find this seed at na
you can take her there, even if she is high
let her hear what it takes to recover, i went to my first aa meeting when i was a teen, and i got that seed planted, then when i was ready to get clean, i went back on my own
and i would not be doing you any favors by leaving this out, YOU need help, addiction is a family disease, my mom became so sick over my addiction, she needed alonon
there is also a great book called "no more letting go"
http://www.nomorelettinggo.com/
they should have a copy at the local library, get you some help, give your daughter an option by exposing her to na, then leave it in her hands, there is only so much we can do for people, and mental illness like addiction is something the actual patient has to work on, there is no known medical cure the most widley excepted tx is 12 step recovery

[terri1289]

how dangerous is it for her to be using heroin and taking suboxone at the same time?

[terri1289]

She is almost 20. She has to stay in school for ins benefits to help cover all this. She doesn't/won't work, and we do not give her money. I suspect she is selling her "extra" suboxones/valium/zanax, which i only give her a week's worth at a time.

[cattalina]

Don't feel stupid at all! We as addicts are generally big liars regardless, so don't beat yourself up about any of it. I don't think pot would cause wds as it's not an opiate, and I don't know what kind of interaction that may have with the sub. She'll only stop if she wants to and no medication in the world will make her want to. How old is she?