**Suboxone**

[NautyOne]

Wow !!   I am amazed on how many people are turning to sub.  When I first came out here in August of 2007, suboxone was a lot of talk.  I now see so many turning to it , but I'm not hearing a lot of feedback on it's success.  I'm curious to hear from anyone who has a success story, rather than a horror story about suboxone.  Not from people currently on it, but anyone who successfully took it and has been off it for some time.  Thanks.

Nauty...............

[BlueOpiate]

I have a friend who is doing a fast 7-10 day suboxone tapper for vicodin abuse.  He is maybe in the middle of it.  I am talking to him everyday and he is keeping me posted of how he is doing.  I will post what happens with him when he is finished and a few days past jump day.  Perhaps we can learn something from him attempt being we are all outside observers.

[Jaybird30]

Hi blue!  I'm pretty much with you on this except today is day 10 for me on sub!  I went from 16mg to just 2mg a day already and feel great!   I went with sub cause my best friend used it and he is a new man a year later!   He used a 90 day program with his and had very little withdrawal!   I think a lot of times people go through the current withdrawal whether from sub oxy heroin or whatever and it's always the worst!  I think it's because your body blocks the last time out and the current becomes the worst.  I have two friends that used sub and got off with very little difficulty!   I've weened from 16 to 2 MGS in ten days and feel great!  Im staying on the 2 for a week before I cut down to 1!

[zeke1982]

I have been on suboxone for 4 years. I completely got over IV heroin addiction, I do not crave in the slightest. I was able to get a good job, get my own place, and do great in life.

Problem starts when its time to let go of suboxone. Right now I am on 5th day of detox and its hell.

So from personal experience, subuxone will save you from 1 addiction only to throw you into another.

[BlueOpiate]

I have also noticed a lack of positive stories about sub.  But I also seem to see a lack of positive CT quits as well.  There is a handful of people I see post on here who have significant clean time under their belt but most the time I am reading about how everyone has relapsed, again.  Not being judgmental, I've relapsed plenty of times.  Maybe we should explore when people stay around and post or when they stop coming here.  Do people who get clean and stay that way tend to stop coming here because it reminds them too much of the lifestyle?  Is it the same for people who do sub with positive results?  I know if I relapsed today and went on a bender I would not be coming here until I was out of pills with no options to get more and was feeling down again.  I am on sub for the past 11 days, when I make it off will I keep coming here?I don't honestly know.  The way I feel inside right now I would say yes, I will keep coming here.  But maybe the me when I'm done with the sub will think differently, maybe I won't want much connection with the lifestyle and stories.  I don't know.  I would like to think I would keep coming here, everyone is pretty cool here and I love talking to you all.  Maybe there is more to the sub story then win/fail people posting on this site.  Maybe it's people who get clean and stay clean, whether sub or CT, just stop coming around.  I know some will point out this and that person but I can only think of a minority of posters who's name I can remember that have long clean time in.  Maybe I'm overt thinking it, IDK?

[wyndy]

I was on suboxone.  My pain doc told me there would be very little withdrawals from it.  I was on it short term to get off morphine prescribed for me post chemo.  I don't think you will find anyone who didn't go thru hell getting off.  Again, doctors don't use these drugs themselves and are wrong, wrong, wrong.  After 3 months of hell, my pain doc tried one non-narcotic, naltroxone, and when that didn't work put me on imm oxycodone.  I didn't want to take it; my son insisted.  He had seen how sick I was and weak and had gotten down to 102 lbs.  That was 2 years ago.  I was recently told by my pain doc that "sometimes" the narcotics make you more sensitive to pain and wanted to go on suboxone again.  I was shocked that he suggested it.  I told him I would never use that again.  Would do a slow taper instead.  At the end of the visit he had the nerve to ask me if I wanted to add another oxy.........again I was shocked and adamantely told him no.  These doctors don't seem to listen to what you are saying.  Long story short - I would avoid suboxone at any cost.  If I were at a high enough dose I would go into a rehab where they could know what non-narcotic could help with the w/ds.  My doc says 60 mg imm a day isn't a high dose.  I don't even know if that is true.  I can't trust most of what he says anymore.

[GoingToMakeIt]

Naughty, you pegged it! Good definition.

[tommm70]

"So, I think I am finally understanding the point of sub.  It helps to change the behaviors of taking drugs, and gets your body used to not getting high, and allows your brain to function in a " normal " fashion.  So sub is a conditioning program?"

That is really the best way to describe it. It gives some normalcy, and allows you to curb your triggers and put your life back together.
My career wold not allow me to reveal my issue, but I built a system outside of my job that is working great.

[wait2long]

did you find that suboxone helped your pain while you were on it?  i get relief from my everyday pain, but it does NOTHING for my flare ups...i have fibromyalgia.
i was just wondering..

[hrsebz]

Hi guys I went on suboxone really by accident i had been taking vics off and on for a year because of alot of ovarion cysts. towards the end my binges where getting longer and i was taking more and more pills in january i went in for an ultrasound and the dr who was doing it was a sub dr. we started talking about pain meds and i told him my situation and that it was starting to worry me he told me to come see him and he would give me some thing to help called suboxone( at this point i should have done my reasch)anyway istarted the sub in jan. and went off it in march .I had terrible w/ds but now looking back i think it really helped me for one i dont have craving for pain pills and i dont even really think about them at all its been six weeks now and i feel every day i get stronger....hope this helped

[wait2long]

i couldnt agree more...even for chronic pain, it doesnt seem to do much in the form of relief...advil worked better...

[puranx]

Sub has its place for a certain type of addict or addiction, theres no doubt about it. I hole heartedly believe methadone should be condemned though, esp now that subs here.

[hopsing94]

The short term users do use it to avoid the w/d's. Used short term 3 weeks. You can avoid the majority of w/d. You will still experience some withdrawl but not as severe. Some people cannot get past three weeks or even one week. I have never been able to get past two weeks. I am hoping that with the 3 week quick taper I can achieve that. Now that I have seen the other side( I now know what it is like to feel normal again) I hope to never go back again. If this does not work then I will have to face the w/ds anyway but as Tom said I will have learned how to live without the addictive behavior. I have been on some other forums and read peoples experience with sub. Some good some bad. It seems to be that if you taper very very slowly after using it for more than a month you can quit with almost no pain and some claim none at all. We shall see. Mary is almost done so there will be someone to answer this better for us soon.

[NautyOne]

Thank you Tom for sharing your story.  The thing I don't get is why someone would go on sub and then go thru withdrawals anyway.  My impression was that the one's who do try sub is because they don't want to face the ugly.  So, I think I am finally understanding the point of sub.  It helps to change the behaviors of taking drugs, and gets your body used to not getting high, and allows your brain to function in a " normal " fashion.  So sub is a conditioning program?  Then I get confused again ......if someone is going the short term route.....then how does that work?  Ugh.  Well, I guess aftercare is a must in the short term detox.......I think I get it.  If i am wrong.....please correct me.  I'm just trying to understand.  Like I said.........I hear of many going on the sub, but I don't hear the after stories too often.

Tom......Your the Bomb !!!!!!

Nauty.................

[wait2long]

THANK YOU TOMM70!!!
honest feedback...love it!

[tommm70]

For those that asked, I was on it for about 6 months. The dosage never got very high, as I was sick to my stomach much of the time.

Also, I am glad to be back on here! I have checked in now and again, but I am forever grateful to the support I felt from folks here.
As far as what drugs Sub is best is best for, that is always open for debate. I will never judge anyone for the decisions they make in life. An opiate is an opiate whether it be Vicodin or Heroin. Both of them can destroy your entire life. How you recover, is different in everyone.

I only intend to share my story. I know that if 100 people told their story on Sub, you would probably get 100 completely different versions. I just want everyone to know that Sub. itself is not a cure, and it does have it's downfalls along with everything else in life!

Some people have the thinking that Sub is the easy way out. It is a shame, but it is true. Sub. can and does work, I am living proof. I just want everyone to know it is not an easy road.

[Flutterby111]

I totally respect the short term sub detox route, but what I think alot of people, or at least I'm looking for is the obession to go away.  You know, I guess all doctors I've seen have been profited off of me, so I could really give a **** about one more if it means helping me recover in the long run.  I kinda hear you on the vics, to me, those were always weak-but everyone's different.  I've used vics to wean off of oxy before and it helped with the fiending.  Like I told my doctor today, it's not the w/d's I'm afraid of because lately they've been mild, considering I've only been on a relapse for a month, but it was alot harder!  The last time I was using for 8 months steadily.  I'm looking for the maintenance plan.....why am I explaining this again?  LOL.... I think I've already done this with you!  anyhoo....♫ (whistling)♫  A short course and extensive aftercare is what's needed.  I'll tell you what, if I knew that everytime I binged on pills I could crash on a cushy detox like sub, I'd probably keep relapsing and going back for more sub....I'm looking for a change for life!  Not that I'm going to stay on it for life, hell 6 months I think is all I'm looking.  

[SableZen]

The censored part is revolutionhealth by the way.

[mr.lucky66]

I think it works better for someone like the poster who was hooked on done and oxy. I don't like docs who milk out a vicodin user for weeks or months while they profit. All that's needed is a short couse on sub and that's what a doc said here.

[SableZen]

I've been looking at third-party drug reference websites where people can post their experiences:

http://www.****.com/drugs-treatments/suboxone

Is one of those sites... If you scroll down you will see people's reviews, you have to click the link under the rating read the actual comments.

[confused456]

WOW Tomm....awesome post!!

[wait2long]

great viewpoint Tomm!   glad to see you posting again...there were a couple of people asking about you, and i was wondering how you were also...
so glad to see your on the other side...congratulations!!!

[sadinmichigan]

I agree with flutter♥ thanks for the post..

[lifesaride]

how long did you take sub for? what was your dose when you quit?

[Flutterby111]

Nice post, I like the last line alot! :)