THE 'FOG'

[suzieneedshelp]

I understand the depression and maliase during/ after detox.  I am today  literally foggy.  Weak, tired but most concerning.. my vision is hard to focus as if i have a veil or thin cloud over my eyes.  Wut is this??
Suzie

[afriend]

You have your grandmothers glasses on! I thought you might find this amusing to take the edge off your w/d symptoms.Your so busi helping other people you save no time for yourself.Thanks so much for the ego booster and as to the question you had for me, the answer is yes, i will marry you.hahahaha .Have a great day and hope your eyes get better soon.

[Bungee7]

I've noticed that each individual person has some kind of withdawal symptoms that others don't. Your eye thing is probably just part of withdrawal for you. Today is day 3 for me (64 hours and 12 minutes). I feel awful. Withdrawal symptoms aren't near as bad as expected, but it's still pretty bad. My head and body aches so bad...I'm not used to feeling anything so in a way it is kind of liberating!!!! NO MORE PILLS!!!!!

-Anthony
PS: Suzie, you and a the others here have been so awesome, I honestly couldn't have done this without you guys...I know that with support from my boyfriend, NA every Thursday and posting and reading on this forum I will be okay, I now actually think I have a chance at overcoming this disease. What a great feeling.

[itssopassse]

I noticed a fog when I gave up another time.  What I did this time was go on a healthy diet and exercise.  I drank heaps of water.  Cut out coffee and just drank 1 cup of tea a day.  I am happier than I was smoking.  I am using a nicotine lozenge from time to  time.  It has been 21 days.  I know that nicotine blocks the affects of caffene and alcohol (eg balance and memory). The other night I went out and got so drunk, really quickly and could hardly remember a thing! (did not drink much at all!) I have convinced myself that smoking is a poison and its also out of date and uncool!  Been smoking for 15 years.

[oxyblues]

Sorry for cutting in on this thread, I NEED HELP!!!  I am new here, have been surfing this forum for one month now and have read every story here, so i feel i know you all pretty good, even though i have never posted.My story is about the same as most, hurt my back at work, 6 months physiotheripy in total, over the last 2 years. I have cronic pain and was prescribed percoset at first,then the dreaded (oxycontin), honestly had no clue what this **** was about to do to me.Yes i liked the (uphoric)feeling it gave me,was going through a divorce at the time also,this med seemed to take the stress&pain away, along with my heart & soul!!! Ihave been taking about 400 mg 4-5 80,s a day, cut in half then chewed for the last 6 months, i can,t take this any more,i will learn to live with the pain, as the pain of this **** is worse!!My de-tox starts on tues, at home with the thomas recipe, and you kind people.What i need to know, is 24 days, givin what ive been taking+ amount of time(2years in total percs then 80,s last 6 months)enough time to recoupe so i am able to work!!! oh i am male,39yrs old!!   THANK-YOU in advance for any replies.

[J. E. W.]

I dont have any advice just wanted to congragulate you on your first step to recovery!!!! Ill be praying for you.  Its a long hard road but we can do it... Just keep a positive attitude!!                 God Bless...        J.E.W.

[suzieneedshelp]

Are yu asking about 24 days or 2 -4 days?  24 days would be great!  Need at least 4 days... but may need more.  
??
Suzie
And yes congratulations on your decison to regain yur life!  Do u have support/someone to be with you?

[Oxyclean]

For me, I took 160mg twice a day. It took me over two months to taper down to O. Then I had about a week of withdrawal. I lived through it, but it was hell! I was in the hospital twice for the nausa etc. I am very glad to be free of that Oxy! You will be too! I am on day 6 and feeling a little better. I wish you all the luck in the world! Please let me know how you are doing......

[Rex1]

Hey bud, how ya feeling after the surgery.

Hope you're keeping a handle on the pain!!!

I'm praying for you...

Rex

[afriend]

You are taking the right road getting off them as soon as possible.Oxycontin is a very strong and addictive narcotic/opiate that should only be prescibed for very short periods of time, or closely monitered by a phy. if used forlong term chronic pain (in my opinion).I too have gone thru oxy w/d and also used them to help w/d from herion,not fun. Guess how I got to herion?Right, oxys got expensive/couldnt find them.If you can taper fine, if not, tough it out, it doesnt last forever. Dont let these stories scare you,its better if you know whats going to happen,it will lessen the panic/anxiety part.From my experiances,hyderation is a must,drink as much water as you can or any fluid easy on your stomach,or youll get it thru an IV in the hosp.And Imodium (immodium) for the runs.Let us know how your doin. Were all pullin for ya...........

[suzieneedshelp]

CONGRATULATIONS!  That is awesome to be on day 6!  I am on day 9!
Peace!
Suzie

[suzieneedshelp]

You are doing this my friend all on your own!  Pat yourself on yur back.   Only if you are ready to go thru this hell could u have done it.  I just am glad that myself and the others in yur life can support u and reassure u/ease your pain a little.  
You have come here recently and already are detoxing!  that is an awesome accomplishment.  It took me 3 months to actually do my detox after i came here.   I had to take all my stadol first.  But we all do this our own way.  No matter how.. at least we do it!
Suzie hugs ya!

[RobynBanks]

Does anyone know how long this 'tiredness' lasts/fatigue?

[hyjack]

Anthony

I've been following your posts since you came aboard, and I would like to talk to you in confidence.  

***@****

[Bungee7]

You can email me anytime @ ***@****


-Anthony

[lisabet]

hi there - lisabet here - just wanted to check in after your surgery - hope all is well.  Post when you feel like it - we're all waiting to hear from you.  Love/Peace, Lisabet

[J. E. W.]

Im praying for a speedy recovery and not to much pain.. Take care!!!!!!!!!!!!!      God Bless....         J.E.W.

[unpilled1]

Hey Susie, congratulations on your quest to be done with pillhell. Hang in there. About the eyes: your pupils are dilated for several days as you are coming off the opiates. It's very annoying & drove me crazy for a few days. The pupil dilation is due to the same thing as much of the other w/d'l symptoms: it's the complete opposite effect of a side-effect that's commonly caused by the opiates.For instance, opiates are generally very constipating & so in withdrawal there is the complete opposite effect (the runs) until your body begins to get back into its natural balance, chemically & hormonally, etc. Likewise, opiates cause pin-point pupils (constriction) and thus in w/d'l you'll have large (dilated) pupils until the body's back into balance. It's known that a part of the cause of severe headache in w/d'l is actually from eye-strain since you are, during this time, constantly squinting & straining to focus. This will pass soon. Hope this helps. 14.5 days here!

[J. E. W.]

Thanks for the info on the eyes. I thought mine were getting worse from my age!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The big 47 they say they get worse from 40 to 50.. I was wondering why so fast...                   God Bless...     J.E.W.

[suzieneedshelp]

TY for the good info!
Peace to you!
Suzie

[oxyblues]

Thanks to ALL for your kind words, yes suzie it is 24 days i have to spank this monkey, CONGRATS!!!on 9 days, your one tough cookie!!! & i have the support of my family, gf, where i will be de-toxing at. This is my 2nd attempt, 1st one 11 months ago, i failed miserably!!! looking back, i was,nt quite ready, i am now though. Ithink i have the tools this time, and this site has opened my eyes, as to the depth of this horrable addiction, and what it does to you over time!!!OXYCLEAN 6 days WOW,you made it over the hump, good for you.AFRIEND i will take your advice on hydration, that is one reason why i failed last time, could not keep anything down, lost a ton of weight, any advice on nausa would be great!!!J.E.W. my prayers will be with you also, ALL of you!!! I will post my progress, i hope to god i make it!!!     oxyblues xoxo!

[afriend]

RIGHT ON! GETTEM KILLER, WERE ALL ROOTIN FOR YA!

[Oxyclean]

If you can have the doctor write an RX for an anti nausa med like Compozine. When I was in the hospital, that worked OK for me. Try to drink a lot of fluids like SlimFast shakes or Gatoride. Take everything slow. Hot baths did wonders for my legs! Some people got great results with Thomas receipe. I could not hold the pills down so I did not use that method. You are heading in the right direction!

Suzie, Thanks! You are doing great too! Keep it up! :) to evryone out there!

[afriend]

Got so excited for you I forgot about the nausia,There was less nausia (for me) the 2nd time (I believe) because I forced myself to stay hyderated, and was able to taper to 10 mgs a day but thats hell too. some can, some cant. Who knows, nausia,and w/d go together like baseball,hotdogs and apple pie. Part of the price you pay for abusing opiates.GOOD LUCK & let us know how your doin, lotsa great people here to talk to!

[FINISHED!!]

Thanks guys for the kind words. I'm back & kickin'...well kind of. Feeling awful today. Too many drugs in the hospital I think. I absolutely refuse to get back into this mess so I'm not taking any of the Percocets or Loracet 10's they gave me...not yet. Pray for me.

FINISHED!!

[suzieneedshelp]

Good to see u here man!  How went the surg?  Now u may need to take your pain meds..Dont suffer too much hon!
Suzie

[FINISHED!!]

Hey Suz,
I MAY need to but I don't WANT to. I'm praying that I wont have to. I hate to have to START THIS ALL OVER AGAIN!!! I told my doc I was an addict but he still gave me the "morphine button"...60mg an hour. This sounds like a ton of morphine to me but I'm no doctor. I'll get through O.K. This time, I have all of you to yank me back over the line of sobriety.

Thanks to ALL for your words & concerns!!!

FINISHED!!

[percsnomas]

Hey Good Luck with your detox tomorrow!!

I believe your initial question was whether 24 days is enough time to allow you to feel good enough to return to work, based on you useage.  I'd have to respond Yes; unless of course you are an Air Traffic Controller.(I fly lots)
Don't be surprised if your concentration is poor, and that you still have waves of pretty intense lethargy.....but overall you should be OK. With the introduction of oxycontin, this generally brings about a longer recovery time.
Use all the tools at your expense, and don't be disheartened by a "bad" day when you are two or three weeks out.  I'm sure after you have a couple weeks of work under your belt, you will feel dramatically better.
Strength to YOU!!

[suzieneedshelp]

I am soooo depressed now!  On the verge of tears.  It would help if i wasn't so alone.  Why do we lose everything in our lives at once?
Suzie

[Rex1]

Hey suzee,

I will pray with all my might for you today. As you know, I know the feeling. try yourbets to think of all the positive things in your life, of which they are many.

Get out of the house if you can and distract your mind. I truly hope you are feeling better today and for good!

God's Grace to you today...

Rex

[oxyblues]

.Afriend, i will force myself to drink lots of fluid, i guess i will just have to grin & bare, thanks for your words. PERCSNOMAS , thanks for your response, i asked because i have taken all my holidays, so this is my only chance, without telling my work!!!This will give me more incentive to succeed, i hope!!  Suzie 10 days WOW, WOW, WOW, think about that all day!!! You should be so proud of yourself, is there a friend you can trust, have them come over for the day, you deserve it girl!!! call someone on the phone, im sorry you feel this way, keep up the good work, you are WINNING!!!Remember that. oxyblues xoxo

[Rex1]

Hey bud, hope you are doing better today!

Don't know what to tell you on the Percs - if your are in pain, hold off as long as you can, but also remember as long as you can take them as prescribed, you'll be OK.

Praying for you and Suz, as it appears she is having "my Thursday and Friday of last week " today for herself.

One thing I a leanring about depression - it is a pasisng feeling for me. This does not make it a lot easier, but little.

Suzee, remember this will pass, and each and every day your one day closer to you goal.

Rex

[J. E. W.]

Get out of the house now. Just a walk to breath in the fresh air will help. We tend to hide in the house and isolate from the world. THIS IS BAD!!! Because we start thinking of the what ifs. Bad thoughts for us. Make yourself get out. Ill be praying for you..       God Bless....            J.E.W.

[suzieneedshelp]

You guys dont know how crazy my life has been this last year.  No excuses here.. i know i shoudl be grateful and that many have it worse than i do.. But its hard to have that kinda perspective when everything has fallen down around u.  
thank you for your thoughts REx,
Suzie

[suzieneedshelp]

ty also oxy blues and  j e w
Suz

[Thomas03]

Changes in your eyesight during recovery are common. Your whole organism is affected by detoxification. Don't panic, Suzi, it will pass.

Thomas

[hellbent]

"Why do we lose everything in our lives at once?"

Because those things were perhaps not what we needed and god will enable us to get far better things if we have some faith and do some work. I had lost just about everything I had, financially, morally, socially, when I finally quit drugs. I was empty, and it was terrible. But it also meant that I was able to be filled up again, if I took the ACTION to change things. No matter how painful it was, I did all I could to live again. That meant getting a whole new host of sober friends and working the steps of AA, with everything I had. I still cringe when I write things like this sometimes  - I think I sound like a brainwashed moron - but this is absolutely what has worked for me. My life has been saved, and I am able to use whatever gifts I have today - not constantly run from all emotions and challenges.

I wouldn't have made it if I stayed at home and felt sorry for myself, as was my normal pattern of behaviour. Recovery is an inside job, changing the way you think and react to the world. You can't do that in front of a TV, or even on recovery boards. Gotta get out there.

[wannastop]

Suzie,

Your always helping everyone else, I know you have helped me alot, go take a walk, sounds like you need it!!  When I feel depressed I try and smile even when I think I can't or I want to rip my own face off,  but smiling does do wonders even when you don't want to.  Good luck to you and God bless!!

wannastop

[Wardman]

I get the eye problem as well when I detox,  I do think it's a symptom of WD.  It is very difficult to focus.  Has anyone else ever gotten the bitter, acrid, metallic taste in your mouth that happens about 10 days into detox?   I am quitting again next week.  I recieved my last Norco 10s and I am gonna try to taper down, try is the operative word here.  I think I will end up going cold turkey.  I HATE what I have become.

[lifeisbetter]

Hello. I'm just curious did you feel like taking a pill more when you were drunk? I'm asking because everybody keeps telling me that I am much more prone to relapse if I drink. Can you tell me honestly how you felt? How about the next morning did you want a pill then? thanks

[suzieneedshelp]

Also ty Thomas, hellbent, wanna and g'man.
Suz

[suzieneedshelp]

I'll tel u wut i was told.  Better to do one thing at a time.  If one is an alcoholic and drug addict then stop  one at a time.    Actaully i was not alcoholic but enjoyed 'drinking' too much for my own good.  Drinking realy made me crazy and melancholly as well.  I recently lost a dear friend because of it.  I have not had a drink since Dec 28.  Stopped Stadol Dec 27.  Stopped ultram 10 days ago.  Now i am melancholly anyway...  
But just do one thing at a time.  One day at a time.  Do not put too much on yourself or u set yourself up for failure.  It is not easy to drink anyway when u are nauseated etc from withdrawal.  
Peace to you !
Suzie

[leadchest]

hi, congratulations on quitting on the stuff,
i agree, you should let go one of the "friends" at a time,
and i read that you now try to let them all go within a month
which is really cool too i think.
now i want to encourage you, and everyone else who chooses to go without, to give your self a lot of time.
what i mean is try not to expect too much from the weeks after the w/d symptoms have gone. it takes time for your body to get used to being without and to find its own rythm again and it takes time for the mind to let go of all the feels that stay...
there will be many times when life will seem to have slapped you in the face somehow or piched you in the neck.
there will be times when the outside world seems to be in straight opposition ALTHOUGH you are already off the helpers and ALTHOUGH its been working alot better.
stay strong when the wind is blowing hard against you and its getting cold, keep going, walk on !!! those times when the stuff comes to you and offers itself and looks so familiar and comfortable and even friendly...if you stay with yourself then
you will win back a part of yourself. the saying no without really wanting to say no will pay later, not immediately.
everytime you say no but really really would haved liked to say yes will make you stronger and not much later you will remember it was right to do so.  
i know you want to get it together, and when life will seem to oppose you, keep going, everything will look better and better as you move on. i keep going, i am  the way, follow me.
thank you !!!
kisses, robert.

[suzieneedshelp]

Wut a dear message you wrote!  ty.  It touched me.  I want to ask u sumfin about ur message, can u e-mail me?
***@****
Ty again for your kind words!
Suzie

[J. E. W.]

What a great post. Thanks so much for the encouragement it helps alot. You sound like youve been on this road awhile. We need all of the encouagement and knowledge you have. Thanks again and God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   J.E.W.

[unpilled1]

Thank you for your excellent post. I'm on day 15 & although I feel physically O.K. for the most part, I've had a irritable emotion and pill craving today. Your post reminded me that I am SO much better tonite because I said NO today. Thanks for spelling out what I needed to hear,know & feel.

[Oxy2]

I wish I could do something to help you! I too am taking 400mg a day of Oxy. I am not chewing them but at this dose I do not think it makes too much difference. I may not be in a position to give advice but if I were I would ask that you taper a little before going ct. Even if you need to take a few days away from work it may be worth it. I will be following your progress closely if you do not mind... Judging by the responce of the posters on this page I will not be alone. Good luck and Gods speed...

[afriend]

(in my opinion) Remember, dont force your body,help it.For me, as probably many others, each w/d , from each narcotic/opiate/..ect is different, each time. Depending on how much you were taking, how often you took it, how you were transporting it to your bloodstream,tapering,c/t,ect.You have to do what feels right for YOUR body. My,2nd time off oxys was much easier.This may take some weight off your chest.Now go gettem....

[afriend]

Yes, I have the eye thing too, and Thomas is right. I used to have to pay good money (lsd days) to get my pupils to dialate like this. Its free, sit back and enjoy. haha. Gman, yes, know exactly what you talking about. Tastes pretty bad huh? My best to both of you!.........

[sharonver]

Hi Suz,

Sorry I didn't post this yesterday when you were feeling so bad,but I was having a very bad day myself. Depressed, headache that I kept all day and into the night! I spent most of the day crying and feeling sorry for myself.  My arthritis is starting to kick in real bad being on such a low dose of meth, and i am in a lot of pain. I should have called you and we could have cried on each other's shoulder... lol  Anyways I want you to know that everyone is right about you taking time for yourself,you are always there for everyone, so don't forget about taking care of yourself! I will talk to you soon...

Love ya,
Sharon

[FINISHED!!]

Good morning Suz,
  I agree with Sharon. You need "you time." I too am sorry I wasn't there for you but I was also having a bad day. I had to get up & get out of the house. (By orders of my fiance!!) We had a wonderful day together after I got home from my Mom's. She REALLY cheered me up. She even bought me dinner!!! I am here & back to "normal"...what is normal anyways? I prayed for you though...as did Rex I know. We got a few minutes to talk on the phone yesterday & we were both concerned about you. You hang tough girl!!! You, if anybody, has what it takes to break through. If you don't feel you can post today, then don't. We'll be here when you're better as well as when you need us most. There's a LOT of love here for you Suz.

FINISHED!!

[suzieneedshelp]

Thank you guys.  You are very right.. i don't take care of myself.  Actually been quite the self destructive one in the past year.  But at least i am not drinking anymore and i am drug free but a few darvocet here and there.  I am ok.. still battling the low.  I feel so melancholly about the drug...it makes me sad in missing it.  The desire/ cravings are as strong as ever.  I am struggling to work.  Its a struggle to do anything.  Whine whine,...
Suzie

[J. E. W.]

Your such a wonderful person. Always concerned about everyone.. Take some time for you and only you.. Go out to dinner, buy yourself something you want even though you dont need it,pat yourself on the back,(and three or four times from me).  just keep up the good work Hon. I know without a doubt you can and will do it..            God Bless....          J.E.W.

[suzieneedshelp]

I even got a full day at the spa for Christmas but have i used it.. no!
Guess that one will have to get high on my to do list !
Thx!
Suz

[kilo]

I wish I could say I've never posted here before, but that would be a lie. My story goes about the same. I'm into my 4th day of w/d and truth be known it's my 3rd attempt at detox in the last year and a half. All cold turkey and all real tough! Started off like most of us here, injuries and surgeries which resulted in lots of rx's for vikes, tylox, oc's, etc. When those ran out I found the damn Internet Rx's. $400 later and like majic I had 180 10mg vikes knocking on my door. I finally had the courage this morning to call that damn Internet Pharmacy up and spill my guts. I told them how mad I felt at having an addiction, and how I lied to them to get my pills. If any of you learn anything from me, steer a wide path from these Internet sites! Now I've done it, I have severed my last connection to these damn pills. In a way it hurts, but honestly it's a huge weight off my shoulders. Truth be known...the blame rests with me.

   I have read so many threads in the last 6 hours and the common theme to them all is strength, love and encouragement. Thank you all for your distant, but honest caring. I wish somehow that our connection to one another wasn't so painful. I will continue to draw strength from all of you and pray for your success.

Kilo

[J. E. W.]

Good job on severing thse sorces. You can do this,you have alot of help and support here.. Im on day 11,its getting better. I do pray alot. Not just for myself but everyone. Drink lots of fluids, eat alot of good food, and exercise (make yourself)causeyour not going to want to!!!!!!!!!!! Take lots of hot baths too......  Ill be praying for you.                           God Bless...     J.E.W.

[kilo]

Thanks a bunch for the support and kind words. I can honestly say that each time you w/d it gets a little harder. The only thing going right for me is the fact that I'm between jobs, and currently on paid vacation for the next 3 weeks. I figured it was now or never. The first 2 times I detoxed my wife was there helping me along. She was so understanding and caring, and I had to be the dumbass and order more of those vikes. I was clean for 10 days. So here I am 5 months later, re-addicted and going through w/d's AGAIN! Now it's me and this forum. Believe it or not she's coming down with the flu and she thinks I gave it to her. What a bunch of ****! Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

   A doctor friend of mine told me that there will always be a spot on your brain that craves these pills, but as you complete each day of w/d that spot gets a tiny bit smaller. Does anyone out there know how long these strong cravings last. I would love to hear someone's success story who has beaten this disease, if there is such a thing. When do we stop these cravings? When do we find joy again at the simple pleasures of life? Can we be normal? Just wondering...Thanks again for all your kind words, they mean more to me than you'll ever know.


Kilo

[FINISHED!!]

Well...Before my surgery Friday, putting a new plate, pin and a handful of screws in my ankle, I was over 150 days clean & can honestly tell you that I had no cravings at all during that time...after the first 3 weeks. Keep in mind that everybody IS different. I chose to keep myself busy, exercise a lot & substitute the Vikes with vitamins. If you are truly ready to be done, & you sound like you are, it's just a mind over matter battle. These meds are DANGEROUS. They fooled us all into thinking they were good for us. They will continue to do so if we let them. I decided to get clean for me & not for a lack of meds or money. I was ready. Those pills called my name a lot for the first 2 weeks & I had plenty of them to answer with in the house. I decided that no dumb little pill would rule my life, my happiness, my life, my health...did I mention my LIFE? So here I am again...hurting REALLY BAD. Taking Loracet 10 (so far no more than 3 a day) Difference being...I'm on to these little punk devils. They will NEVER RULE MY LIFE AGAIN!!! They have a purpose in my recovery from surgery & nothing else. I am happier than I've ever been...well kind of...and it's no pill that's giving me the happiness I've found. It's the lack of the need to take a pill to feel O.K. It's FREEDOM!!! You may lose the cravings in 3 weeks or you may never lose them. It's up to YOU to fight those cravings with whatever tools you need to do so. Get a hobby. Exercise. PRAY for help (if that suits you or your beliefs) Take a walk. Take a bath. They're just cravings. Bad cravings? YES. But they can be beaten. I can guarantee one thing...as time goes by, with every tick of that oh-so-slow-moving-clock, the cravings will lessen. With every craving you punch in the face, there will be that much more time between them. I have GREAT faith in mind over matter & I believe that if you're ready enough to abolish your last connection to get the meds then you're ready to face the cravings head-on. I'll pray for your recovery & your strength to handle any & ALL cravings that may reer their ugly, demonic little heads.

FINISHED!!

[J. E. W.]

isease and never will go away. But the cravings get less and less in time. But when we use again we start all over again..This is third time for me... The first time I went to Lakeide/milam recovery inhouse for 29 days so it was much eaiser because you were with 50 to 60 other addicts and alcoholics with noway to get anything.. I learned alot from this program. It was a 12 step program and it really is a God send. One thing they teach you (and is very true) is an addict is an addict no matter what the drug of choice is. Were all the same!!!!!!!!!!       this made me realize that I might someday lose everything and end up living on the street like soooooooooooooo many others have done. Even though I have relapsed 2 more times I thank God I didnt end up there. I feel so sorry and want to help everyone I see living on the streets.. But I no I cant. But just keep going and never say never. This is a disease and it never goes away. the cravings do. But if we use again it starts all over.. so say no even to one... Good Luck my friend.. Ill be praying for you..            God Bless.......     J.E.W.

[suzieneedshelp]

J E W and esp Finnished man!  Your post above was awesome!  Warms the cockles of my heart...WE are so luck y to have u here to inspire us..  I dont know about ya'll but i have discoverd that addicts can be fantastic people...  The growth that has transpired in their lives is mind boggling!
Suzie hugs ya!

[oxyblues]

thanks to all ,your posts are inspiring, this is DAY ONE& have the usual w/d symptoms. using the thomas recipe, and yes this does HELP,ty. i will continue to read all posts. and post myself when time allows!! oxyblues xoxo

[J. E. W.]

Good luck on your jourey. Im on day 11.It gets better everyday. Take lots of hot baths for the muscle aches,drink lots until your going to burst and then some more....,make sure you eat too,take vitimins.  Ill be praying for you.                      God Bless....        J.E.W.

[kilo]

Just read your comments and I cannot begin to thank the both of you. Sounds like you've lived this hell and know all too well what I'm feeling. Sorry I didn't post last night, but it was a tough one. I feel like my legs have ran a marathon, not to mention the countless dreams of these damn pills. You know FINISHED about the time you were coming clean I was relapsing again (about 150 days ago). I have read many of your threads and I'm truly sorry about your accident. There are worse ways of breaking bones, and having it happen while doing something that brings you joy, it could be worse. Please treat yourself carefully, I don't have to tell you to dose for pain, period. J.E.W. thanks for listening and also responding. So how's day 12 going?

I'm not going to sugarcoat this w/d process, it's tough. So far day 5 has been like a walk in the park compared to day 2 & 3. I actually slept about 6 hours and no more runs. Who knows maybe I'll go for a long walk. I can tell you that music sure sounds different after you rid your body of these poisons. The real good news is that I have absolutely no way of getting my hands on any more pills. That's actually refreshing. I know now I have to teach myself how to live my life all over again. I just finished checking out some pictures from 2 years ago (before the narcs found me) and really have no idea how I could've been so happy. It's out there waiting for me to re-discover it. I look forward to the day when I can live my life and not be centered on the next dose. I just know that I can't live my entire life on pills. When does it stop...? A year, 5 years, maybe longer from now. Sooner or later you stop it or it will stop you. I've made my stand. I have much to live for and it doesn't come from a bottle of pills.

You know at times I thought that this world had become a cold place to exist. But, this forum and all that it holds truly reminds me that there are people who really care. I hope and pray that this day finds all of us stronger in our battles.

Kilo

[Rex1]

Its been my experience that most of the stuff you talked about above will go away after 14 days.

Good luck...

Rex

[J. E. W.]

Great post.. couldnt of said it better.. Day 12 is o.k. Had some trouble getting to sleep last night. Then had nightmares while I was asleep. Them damn demons were after me...My brain kind of whent into a bit of a fog too.. But Ill be just fine. Noway am I going back.. You sound like your doing alot better too. My next ste is to get rid of these nasty cigerettes. Been there done that too.. Think Ill give that one a little more time though..          God Bless....   J.E.W.

[kilo]

Hey Rex thanks for the info. 14 days to start to feel normal again is a piece of cake. Considering the fact that this is day 5 for me. Hey J.E.W. way to go on day 12. Sorry to hear about the demons paying you a visit last night. I had some wild dreams about scoring some more pills. Crazy isn't it! Man the things we get ourselves into.

   Rex I have read some of your past posts about re-connecting with God. Before all this started with me, my family and I were attending a great contemporary church with a Christ centered message. Of course that stopped once I found the narcotic god/demon. I surprized my wife last night about going back to that great church. Thanks for the inspiration, I owe it to you. My problem now is that I'm so damn bored. I've got about 3 weeks off before my next job. Know what they say about idle hands and minds. I completely severed and destroyed all my connections to these pills I couldn't find any if I tried. Well I hope this finds both of you strong, and yeah I have been praying for you guys. Take Care

Kilo

[Rex1]

Get out an excercise!

Try bike riding, one of my favs.

Or better yet, take up Motocross like my pal Finished!!!

No hands Can-Can at 45 feet - that'll solve the boredom ;-).

Check web for Motocross + Can-Can for more info or look here

http://www.motoxschool.com/nofootnacnac.htm

Finished!!! may even be the guy in this pic!!!!!!!!

Rex

[FINISHED!!]

Nope...not me. It looks like Mike Metzger & Travis Pastrana.

FINISHED!!

[Rex1]

I still want to see some pics of you in action, bro.

Can you do that and still maintain confidentiality and all that? Probably not, huh?

Anyway, you got more guts than me! I hope you are feeling better today bud!

Pain, be gone with you!

Rex

[FINISHED!!]

Hey buddy,
Just got your voicemail. Sorry I missed your call again. I tried to e-mail you some pics but couldn't make it work. We'll have to wait until Deeanna gets home. She's the brains of this outfit.

Finished!!

[Blackbelt]

Way to go with the U.P.S.truck. That has cost me a lot of $ and life over the last year. You sound really committed.I think if anyone will make it ,it will be you. I've fought the demons for years and let me warn you of a few lies they tell. A.You can control them ,look how good you've done-What could a couple hurt?
Even though you have severed connections be careful of how they will try to work to get back in your life. "wiles of the devil."
Don't let anyone keep them around you. They also tell you that you can't be happy without and that is a lie.
  Get back to your church( I don't know about other folks but when I post I'm talking to me too) Let's forgive ourselves for being so stupid we continue to believe those lies.
I can get 125 delivered in 3 days. Not this time! I'm gonna pass and be blessed.Got back on after surgery abused naturally. I talk big for first day clean don't I? Your post gave me strenght. Thanks you are an inspiration to us all. If I relapse this time I stand to lose a great understanding wife. You have my prayers and I welcome yours.  
     B'Belt

[J. E. W.]

Good for you!!! It does help alot..Hope you keep posting and let us know how your doing!! We can beat those demons wih God and each other!!!!!    God Bless You and Your wife...    J.E.W.

[hellbent]

Hey,

My fatigue took awhile to go away, but I was taking OC's for a long time at a very high dosage. I had to really work to get over it: forcing myself to get to the gym after several years and rebuild my endorphin production, strength, and muscle mass. It also helped a great deal to get out in the world and relate to other people whenever possible - got me away from my own head, where all I thought about was how weak and miserable I felt.

Initially, the fatigue and myopia of opiate withdrawal is very acute. This acute phase, for me at least, will go away after a period of 1-3 weeks. How much were you taking for how long? Also, are you from the bay area?...I knew someone by your "handle" here. Cheers.

[Rex1]

Hello Michael,

Thanks for being bud. You are a steady and calming force here. Plus I like the fact that you admit to be being three years older than me.

Cold there in Philly huh?

77 here today. I was going to say "neener neener" but know the cold is hurting you guys on the east coast.

Hope things warm up for you soon.

You can check this out if you want to feel tropical:

http://home.pe.net/~rex1/rex3.jpg

Rex

[TarasWords]

I am new here. So new I havent stopped yet, But am wanting to. I am scared of the withdrawls and yall have given me some hope and maybe a step of courage in that direction. I have been taking now for about 2 years, nonstop. I am ready, just scared of what ill go through after I stop and also how I should stop.

Thank You everyone.

[FINISHED!!]

My first piece of advice would be not to psyche yourself out regarding the withdrawls but I can't really offer much without some info from you because all drugs have different symptoms.

What's your poison? (drug of choice)
How much were you taking throughout the 2 years?
Your age? etc.
Whatever info you can get us would be great!!!

The sooner we can get this info, the sooner we can start getting you ready for WAR!!!

FINISHED!!

[TarasWords]

Finished, Thank You. I have been on codine in all forms. vic, lortab, norco for 2 years. through the dr and from the internet pharmacys. The internet pharmacys make it way to easy and now I am taking more and more. What started out at 2 every four hours is now 4 or 5 every couple of hours. I am a 38 year old female. When I take them I feel "awake, alert and "up" " I want to stop. My husband and family have NO idea about this. I cant belive I have kept it from them for this long of time and would rather them not know now. Any help would be appreciated. I have been lurking on this site for about a week trying to find the courage and the answers I need.

[FINISHED!!]

I'll give you my story.
I started taking Vicodin ES about 2 1/2 years ago & continued to up my dose until I reached a point of 20 to 30 a day. I quit cold turkey without any of my friends or family knowing. It can be done but it's not easy. You should try to seek the support of someone close to you. This will make your journey a lot easier. If you feel that this is not an option, you have us at the forum here. I did not until later. What you can expect is the flu for about 3 to 5 days. Cold sweats, the trots, sleepless nights, aching muscles, sneezing fits etc. They are miserably uncomfortable at most. This should all pass after the second week with the worst being over after the third or fourth day. Before my recent accident & surgery, I was over 150 days clean. With every passing day, things get better & better. You may want to try the Thomas Recipe that you'll find in some of the older posts. Drink tons of water AND gatoraid. These both help to flush your system of the toxins & replace the electrolytes lost during opiate withdrawl. Get some immodium for the runs. Take lots of hot baths or soak in the hot tub if one is available. Do not go into the detox with the predetermined thoughts of how miserable this will be. 9 times out of 10, your detox is less miserable than you'll think before starting. Keep in close contact with this forum. We have all been were you are or are heading down the same road. Before you know it, you'll be free!!!

FINISHED!!

[TarasWords]

Once again, Thank You. I am so very scared. I know it seems silly. Im scared to quit, im scared to not quit. I am tired of my life revolving around these damn pills! I look at the mothers at my daughters school and think "look how normal they are". I have kept everything normal, I am the room mother and volunteer in the community, Why do I feel like such a loser?

I am getting ready to leave work and will not be able to access this site till monday. BUT I am ready to take any advise I can find when I return on monday.

God Bless,

Tara

[Rex1]

youll be back there too with some time and effort - trust me on that.

Like my friend finished!, I was known as Norco boy.

I am 60 days clean, and with  the exception of some boust of anxiety/depression, like is 180 degrees different than when I was using.

Just think, I woke up this morning and did not think about narcotics once, until I came onto this forum. I wasn't a slave to them, is what I mean.

For me the emotional pain was the worst, so that is better - much better, worlds better!!!!!!!!!!

You will find the Thomas Recipe in the thread above labeled Recipe Seekers. Check it out!

Rex

[hippy]

just wanted to say hello,
very nice to see you posting agian.
we have to give away to keep it.

peace!!!!!!!!hippy

your freind michael

[hippy]

thanks for your reply rex, always good to hear from you
and your post are full of empthy and compassion.
wish i was with you in the warm weather.
my sister is a diving instructer in the little camin
island, i have an open invtation, if the artic weather does not let up i may have to start packing.
besides that my wife works for fed ex and we can fly any where
for 100.00 round trip, i nice little perk.

but life is great , no real pain to speak of right now , after having a rough month in dec.
we have a close freind at our church who is blind and works with my wife, my wife fixed him up with a girl who has
cerable paulsy and has a hard time walking. they both are 46 and have been single for years they started dating two months ago and now she wants to get married and so does he, i helpd him pick out a engagement ring , he gave it to her tonight.
she is selling her house which is like 30 miles from us and is going to buy right near us. he want me to go with him to find a house. between the two of them they do really good together.
they were here for dinner the othernight and he started to eat and she chided him  for not giving thanks.
i laughed and thought , seems like they are already married.
it is a very warming situation.

peace, your freind  michael

[dienikad]

The first time I bought heroin, i thought i was buying Morphine. I was lied to. I can't tell you how hard that was, learning that-- I think It made things worse.

Has something like this happened to anyone else?

[sharonver]

Hey how is your detox going?  We haven't heard from you at all. I have been thinking about you and I hope that everything is going good with you.  You said you were taking time off to detox and  I was wondering if you need any support or help with anything?

Sharon