TRAMADOL DO NOT COLD TURKEY

[avisg]

Plz be careful when giving advice about Tramadol.It should NOT be CTED exspecially from high doses .Yes we have had members do it and been fine.,I know members are going to chime in and say they did it and were fine .Remember we dont need other peoples medical historys what might be fine for you could really harm others. Some members HAVE had sezuires.We dont know others medical history what might of been fine for you could rerally harm others .

[Lisa034]

Nobody should not be telling anybody to cold turkey off anything not just tramadol.  These are drugs we are talking about here. Time and time again I read people suggesting to others "just do it" "just take the plunge" "it will not kill you"  How do you know.  We do not know each other all we can do is try to share our exp and try to help others and give support. Nobody really knows anybody on here!!!  Going cold turkey from 10mg Percocets sent me right to the hospital.  Were they had to use the crash cart to bring me back.  Yall would not know that if I did not tell you.  Some people are not and do not tell us everything.  For me, I do not suggest cold turkey to anyone!!!!!  I do not want somebody to die because I told them to do something!!!   Just my two cents

Lisa034
Jacksonville,FL

[avisg]

Thats my point ...I dint want that on my conscience for the rest of my life how about you ?

[SHELLBELL79]

Hey avisg,
When I was on 150mcg of Fentanyl the addictive specialist psychiatrist that was detoxing me put me on a taper of 200mg of tramadol 5 x a day then dropped to 5omg of tramadol to 4x a day and so on for 5 days. I had the worst w/d's of my life!! I was in hell from day 5 to day 8. I was rocking back and forth violently for 4 days and nights straight in excruciating pain. I was losing my mind. I ended up having low potassium and my pulse rate was 140 beats and was taking clonodine round the clock. I was dyhradrated and was put on a IV and a magnesium drip and was given tons of potassium pills. I was on a strong dose of potassium for 10 days. I was wondering if I had a seizure when I was detoxing b/c it was soo bad. My body was going through things that I never felt in my life!If I had seizures during my detox, can that be damaging to my body?? Should I get something checked out??? I haven't felt right since!
Thanks, Shell

[avisg]

shell I dont think it would be a bad idea fentanyl on it own is just sooooo strong its possable to have sezuires coming of of all opeteates its just been more documented with the tram .By all means if you are not feeling 100% I dont think it would be a good idea to tell your GP he will probably refer U to a nero doc .

[leeisgettingclean]

i agree avisg... people need to be carefull and somewhat knowlegable when giving very important information out

[narla]

Because in Australia our drugs are called different things can someone tell me which ones are opiates like codeine.

[salsinator]

Hi Narla,

Codeine is also Codeine here, but it cannot be obtained over the counter like in Australia, even in low doses.  Here it can be found with Tylenol in 30 and 40 mg ( you call that paracetemol).  Fentanyl is one of the strongest opiates, it is synthetic and much much stronger than morphine.  Here in the US, codeine is not prescribed as much as it used to be, hydrocodone, which is also Vicodin, is one of the most common opiates.  Oxycodone, which is in Roxycodone, Percocet, and Oxycontin, is also very common and is a little stronger than hydrocodone.  Tramadol is a synthetic opiate type drug that attaches to a specific opaiate receptor and acts like morphine in the brain, but it is not the same type of opate as the others.  It is very addictive and can have very bad withdrawal,  I also was prescribed Tramadol when I did my detox, but I was also injected with narcan, which is an opiate antagonist and it knocks opaites off the brain and puts you into immediate withdrawal.  My detox was long because I was taking suboxone for years, but it was the best thing I ever did.  Hope this information helps.  I hope you are doing well - will catch up with you soon.  Take Care  - S

[salsinator]

Correction - Tylenol 3 is 30 mg codeine.  Tylenol 4 is 60 mg, not 40.

[TrayCee]

Its illegal to detox a patient off opiates using a nother opiate. He could have lost his license.

[TrayCee]

VERY well said, I couldnt agree more!

Thank you!

[TrayCee]

VERY well said, I couldnt agree more!

Thank you!

[avisg]

I had forgotten about tylonal 4s

[dominosarah]

I agree.......very well said.        

[HealthySquid]

Amen, brother!

Wow, there is someone here with common sense!  Alot of the posts I read are, "You can do it!  You are strong!  I did it, why can't you?" and I could go on and on.

I had the resource of an addiction specialist and still ended up in the hospital very dehydrated with blood leaking out of my esophagus, stomach, and colon like a sieve.  You see, I was coming off of 450+mg Oxicodone IR (some call Roxicodone) per day.  I quit eating and drinking anything for 7 days.  At the end of that 7 days, I was so weak that I couldn't climb the stairs to my bedroom.  Heck, it took me 3 hours to go 40ft to the bathroom as I kept falling asleep from the exsertion.  Finally, my awesome boss who knew what I was going through gave me an ultimatum.  He told me, "You either go to the hospital RIGHT NOW or don't bother coming back to work, EVER!"  Well, long story short, he saved my life.  I am sure my strong male brain would have kept being in denial that I would get better which would eventually bury me 6 ft below ground.  Really, it was my stupid strong male brain talking.

I did have a pre-existing condition that made my detox different than others.  We don't know any other's body through words on this website.  If you feel you need to go to the ER then by all means, GO!  Don't be an idiot like me.

Okay, off my soapbox now.   Just my 2 cents...

[Astray]

I've thought long and hard before posting this but here goes ...

The only way many people, certainly me, would ever had got clean was by going CT. I just was not strong enough to taper, had tried countless times, was never going to work. Equally I didn't have access to specialist support and sub or methadone would have not been sensible.

So I could either CT and deal with it or continue using till I died, which the way I was going would not have been long. I don't doubt other people were in the same boat.

Now my point is this - are we no longer allowed/very heavily discouraged to suggest CT as an option/support people going through it? Thats what this thread sounds like from here TBH.

Obviously we shouldn't talk about drugs we don't know and yes people with underlying medical conditions should of course be advised to talk to their doctors  before doing anything. Given those conditions and a bit of common sense I hope more good than harm would be done ...

[avisg]

As addicts we don't think of the consequences of what we do we are used to taking what ever whenever we feel like it .We don't think about the harm until its to late .

[Lisa034]

Let me start by saying I for one really respect a whole lot of your advice.  Your advice and your story is very needed here. I am not saying that we should not share our stories, all I am saying is that we should just be carefull in what we are suggesting for others that we really do not know.  Thats all.  Tell your story, tell how you came off cold turkey and how it was the only way for but also tell that maybe that it is not the only way.  If our true goal here is recovery then we must change our whole way of thinking.  I will tell you that I really never suggest cold turkey and I never, never, never suggenst taking a narcotic like benzos to get over withdrawl.  I dont suggest to others but I will tell you that when my man went cold turkey (now for the 50 million time) I did give him some benzos on the first 3 or 4 days, but I know him inside and out!!!  I am face to face with him and I know what works for him and what does not.  I have much love and respect for everyone on this site, but I dont know any of yall like that.  So far be it for me to suggest for another addict to take a narcotic for withdrawl or to go cold turkey.  Well anyways I just wanted to let you know how I feel about it and to let you know that your way is not wrong and a lot of people can do it but a lot of people can not.

Sending my love
Lisa034
Jacksonville,FL

[TrayCee]

specifically TRAMADOL should not be suddenly stopped.  Other opiates are not as dangerous to stop CT.

[nuredshuz]

I was detoxed off of hydro in a rehab facility using an ultram taper.. I was taking 150mg hydro a day... i went in there in withdrawal and had to still wait a full day till I  was given 100mg ultram 4x aday for 2 days, then 3x aday for 2 then 2x a day for 2 days then 1x a day for 2 days.. it did make me feel better and when I stopped taking it I felt horrible.. prob from the hydro not being completely done since it was a controlled release? Its not against the law to use an opiate to detox you off of other opiates.. under doctor supervision and in a taper...

[avisg]

no its not illeagl but that does not mean its a smart thing .However if your are going do it yes do it under a doctors care

[leeisgettingclean]

is it true to say we are suddenly being "pushed" away from suggesting c/t? I would certainly hope thats not true. I fully understand and even obvisouly agree about the tram but I also hope we could continue with the freedom of "suggesting" other ways...I understand that that is what this forum is about..addicts sharing, supporting and suggesting ways that we have tried and found to work, isnt that true? I hope that even after we do our suggesting that the member with the problem would still do their research and educate themselfs before following anyones elses advise, I am certainly not tryin to argue with anyone and indeed wouldnt anyhow, but can someone clarify these concerns so us members would understand before posting.

[leeisgettingclean]

just wanted to add, I did not get from this post that avisg was saying that we were limited to our suggesting, instead that she was only making a more broad point for us to be carefull about suggesting when there were known health concerns of stoping meds a certain way, but after reading the entire post got a lil confused...

[TrayCee]

It IS absolutely illeagle.  Its called "The Harrison Act"

[TrayCee]

also, FYI-  for future reference, hydrocodone is not time released.

[avisg]

LEE  As the post said we are talking about TRAMADOL now other members have chimed in having had bad experiences with other drugs cting they are more then welcome to voice that opinion.
In any case as I said in many of my posts this is something to talk to your doctor about. Telling a member to go cold turkey and we don't know there medical history for some can be very dangerous , Now if there doctor says ct is fine for them then by all means that's an options for them . There doctor know there med history and can help monitor there withdrawal WE CANT, No where did we say members do not have the freedom to suggest other options of withdrawal.I am wondering you said yourself and other members needed clarification who we would they be. I would be more then happy to PM them and talk to them

[leeisgettingclean]

no i actuallly did not say "myself and other members" what i said is...
..." can someone clarify these concerns so us members would understand before posting."..so as you see I said "US MEMBERS" speaking in a broad term including myself as a member...and i guess if you want to know why I could say US MEMBERS you could read "Astray" reply and see that atleast me and him//her obvisouly needed clarifaction..so two=us..altough again I never said "  yourself and other members needed clarification " feel free to show me were I said that in my post, thanks

[kolo13]

I'm confused and need clarification now too please.

[avisg]

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAMADOL AND THE RISKS THAT COME WITH CT  WITHDRAWL.I WAS ALSO ASKING YOU IF YOU NEW OF OTHERS THAT MIGHT NEED IT BE CARIFVIED FOR THEM AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO IT.IT WAS IN NO WAY NEGATIVE IT WAS ME WANTING TO MAKE SURE POEPLE UNDWEDR STOOD.   This is what I wrote


Plz be careful when giving advice about Tramadol.It should NOT be CTED especially from high doses .Yes we have had members do it and been fine.,I know members are going to chime in and say they did it and were fine .Remember we don't need other peoples medical history's what might be fine for you could really harm others if anyone needs me to clarify what that say let me know .

[SHELLBELL79]

Hey Avisg,

  Wow a lot of ppl commented since yesterday! I also wanted to just point out that I had detoxed off the Fentanyl over a year ago. I detoxed cold turkey off of it using the Tramadol for 5 days given by my addiction specialist pychiatrist. So its been since July 23rd that I detoxed off of it and still don't feel right. Im sure I had a seizure but, I never had one before so I don't know what a seizure feels like. I know you can have one with out convulsions. I will try to go see a nurologist but I have medicaid and no Nuerologist accepts medicaid In LA. I will see!
Thanks, Shell

[TrayCee]

I dont really understand what so confusing that people need "clarification"...

it seem pretty cut & dry.

"Its very dangerous to go cold turkey off Tramadol."

[kim715]

I think what Avisg was trying to say is that there are some drugs,regardless of underlying medical conditions,that you should not go c/t off such as trams,benzos,alcohol.Going c/t off of certain drugs,in more cases then not,can be extremely dangerous and sometimes fatal.She wasn't saying that we can't share our personal experiences and give options but perhaps just be more informative when we are responding to posts.We can share how we did it but perhaps make a point to say that what we are speaking of is our own personal experience,that barring no underlying medical conditions the way we did it MAY be an option for the poster.Of course whenever it is possible it's always best to have the help of our personal doctor.I think Avisg was just asking us to just be more aware of our responses to people and to never give advice about any drug unless we are fully aware of the possible consequences of going off the drug c/t and without medical intervention.

[avisg]

Traycee and Kim yes that what I was trying to get across maybe I should have had you too explain it LOL

[keekee57]

Tylenol 3s are 5mg codeine and tylenol 4s are 10mg codeine go to pill identifier to check on it, it states clearly the amount of codeine and tylenol.

[leeisgettingclean]

yeah i said that i understood the post as saying just what you said, I did not take the origanal post as a neg thing, however after reading some replys i became a little confused after reading that atleast one member felt as if it were being told not to suggest c/t..thats were my confusion come in..I did not want ANY member to feel as if they could not give advice and clearly atleast one did, I understand that we do not know others conditions and c/t is not the thing for everyone and not ANYONE coming off tramadol..I only answered your question in my reply by saying that my reply was misunderstood when i said " us members".thanks, and now I am moving on

TrayCee...I understand that you are a real wizz and might not need clarifaction on a single thing however I was asking for clarifaction for myself and anyone else that might have needed it......

[leeisgettingclean]

the person was correct in what he//she said:

Tylenol #1 w/ codeine - 8 mg codeine, 15 mg caffeine

Tylenol #2 w/ codeine - 15 mg codeine, 15 mg caffeine

Tylenol #3 w/ codeine - 30 mg codeine, 30 mg caffeine

Tylenol #4 w/ codeine - 60 mg codeine, no caffeine

note: all tablets contain same amount of acetaminophen (300 mg)

[dominosarah]

There have been a few times that someone has posted about getting off trams and some have said to ct off them.  Avis is just saying these CANNOT be ct'd off of.  That is it plain and simple.  FOR THE REST OF THE THREADS WE CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.                    sara

[kolo13]

For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see, there will be an answer..

[TrayCee]

wow, "a real wizz"  Thanks, Thanks very much.  I am beyond flattered