Tapering off duragesic??

[Linco]

I've posted here before and gotten some wonderful input.  I'm currently on the 25 mcg. patch with about 2-3 vic 5mg for BT pain. I want to wean off but tried once for 5 days and couldn't take the withdrawals.  If  anyone has done this before and has a method that might ease the discomfort,  I'm really desparate.  The stuff frightens me!!  
Thank you.    Linda

[suzieneedshelp]

Have u seen the Thomas recipe for at home detox?  It helps tremendously with the nasty symptoms of withdrawal.
Let me see if i can find it posted lately and ill be back to refer you to the thread.
Peace..
Suzie

[suzieneedshelp]

Go to this site and it is on there.  You register for free and if you want to join in just post a hello anywhere.
http://pub177.ezboard.com/bpainaddictionwithdrawalhelpandsupport
Peace...
Suzie

[terter]

This forum is getting so full it's hard to get a ques. answered but I know everyone is busy helping more needy people and I don't mind a bit. I friend of mine quit taking Norco 10s the same day I quit my habit on 5/11 of hydro 20 a day for  almost 3 years. She has since relapsed after being clean for 2 weeks first taking as perscribed then for about 6 days took up to the 20 a day. It was about 150 total then stopped she took 2 tablespoons methadone a day for 3 days and said she hasn't taken any since Saturday. She is not having any w/d. Is this possible? Did the Methadone help? Should I call BS on it or let it go? Should I just tell her I'm there for her when she needs me? Is the methadone in her system still 2 1/2 days later and thats why she hasn't felt w/d yet? I know a few of you are very educated in Methodone or the w/d pattern. Please help!!!

[pepsi4]

Here's the "Thomas recipe":
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (immodium) (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium (immodium) aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.


A lot of people have used this and it seems to work. I don't know anything about the patch, but I tapered down and then used a modified version of the recipe above.  Since I tapered, I was able to work, etc.  One thing that I added was a good calcium and magnesium supplement which I started before the detox.  I used CalMax and could actually feel a difference about 30 minutes after I took some.  A lot of addicts are low in magnesium, but both calcium and magnesium can be hard for the body to digest -- that's why I say to find "a good" supplement.  The valium makes all the difference in the world.  Also, having a positive mental outlook makes a BIG difference.  In my opinion, half of the withdrawal is in your head -- well it was for me!  Good luck -- let us know if we can help.  If you are serious about this and can't get Valium or something close, post your email address and I'll see if I can help you out.  Peace to all...

[pepsi4]

I am posting this as "Thomas Recipe" so from now on we can tell people to use the search function on the main page.  I hate to take up room, but I've seen soooo many people ask for it that I thought it would be a good idea.  Right now if you search for "Thomas Recipe" all you get is someone asking for the recipe!  Peace...

[Courtney Love]

Linda-
Duragesic (fentanyl) is a tough taper-- Even from the 25 Mcgm level. My suggestion would be to ask your pain management doctor for hydrocodone (vicodin, or similar opiate) 10's, 7.5's then 5's to take the place of the Duragesic Patch. Although you may "Taper" by leaving the patch on for 3-4 days, it still loses effectiveness, and should be SLOWLY weaned off of. As you may already have heard on MedHelp, "The lower the slower." --Meaning that the lower the dose that you have tapered down to, the slower you take off additional milligrams of the opiate medication daily/weekly. MANY of us cannot successfully "Taper" and if you happen to be one of those people, the "Thomas Recipe" is the BEST thing you can do for your stressed out system while experiencing a "Cold-turkey" [immediate stoppage of all drug intake] type detox.

Jess

I thought that keeping with the "Nirvana" theme was appropriate~!

[Nana42]

I'm confused about how this site works.  I've tried to read down and figure it out...but maybe I'm just not to 'swift in the brain' these days.

I was in a conversation thread, which was helping me immensely...if even just getting things out in the open.  But now, when I go to respond to people it say the conversation is closed!  So is that it?  I'm done and that's all I get?  Or do I have to be rude and interject (like this) into someone elses question?

I tried to post a NEW question...but 'no go' there either.

Am I missing something?

[terter]

Oh my god you are me. I'm a 41 yr old f who thought the same way with the housework ect.. The forum has a max of comments and when it reaches that it closes it happened to me yesterday so I posted my ques. again today. The first ques. will get answered by the doc. and the comments are answered by us or for us to ask ques. to other people here.  Anyway more about my first sentence I stopped a 20 a day vic- loritab or whatever I could get on 5/11 I'm not out of the woods yet b/c I still think about taking them. I tappered taking Darvocette It worked well for me. The first year I took about 4 a day then 6 then 8 by year 2 I was up to 15 then shortly after up to 20 maybe more if I had them. My friend and I quit together she was taking the same amount as me but she liked Soma with her Norco, She relapsed but says she quit again but I'm not sure, when shes ready shes ready and so will you. I still have cravings and low energy but the depression is very low but my doc gave me Elavil for depression and that could be why. I have quit in the past never for more then a couple weeks and the w/d were worse then. It was weird reading your post I thought oh my gosh I thought the same thing and still do but I have no desire to go back to doctor shopping or the lies about why I needed them, It has crossed my mind but the thought makes me sick. Anyway continue to post and everyone knows sometimes you have to go into someone elses thread, there ques will usualy get answered its just the way it works.  TER

[mrmichael67]

You could also taper according to how you feel if 5mg is too slow for you.  You could go real slow after you get to 40mg or whatever works for you.  But, you will feel wd until you get your dose up to something equivalent.  We had a discussion here not too long ago and we did a conversion from oxy and hydro to the 25ug/hr patch.  50mg of oxy was equal to the 25ug/hr patch.  70mg or 75mg of hydro was equal to the 25ug/hr patch.  So, you use that and add 15mg for your breakthrough dose and there you have it.  I see this happen a lot with the Duragesic.  People who are on the 25ug/hr patch feel they are on the lowest dose, so they can just drop off right from there.  Doctors also seem to go by that.  It just doesn't work like that.  I have seen many get quite sick coming off of a 25ug/hr patch.  For you to drop off from where you are, it would be like doing it from taking 8-9 Norcos a day.  Plus, fentanyl withdrawal is worse than hydro withdrawal.  It just has a certain added nastiness to it.

[mrmichael67]

Norco is Vicodin, basically.  Most that I see who take it, take it in the 10mg form.  It has a lower acetaminophen count than Vicodin.  Hydro is hydrocodone and Norco and Vicodin have that as one of their active ingredients.

[Chezz2]

I concur with MrM. I have also suggested this before to ANYONE addicted to narcotics and NEEDS to leave their current environment to get their life together.
LEAVE...and be thankful that you did. Cause your kids and family will be thankful in the end that you did it.
It is never selfish to make your life better.
Sometimes it takes leaving your current "safe zone" to getting clean and staying that way.
This is something that I recommend to ANYONE who has easy access in their current environment. If you need to move-on, do it, and do it now...
Sometimes a change is just what people need.
I will be honest. If I ever had access to "outside" sources other than the one doctor I have always seen, I don't think I could trust myself if an "outside" supply was available. The ease of it just makes it too easy.

Do what it takes. Do it for you. In the end, it will be better for you, your family, your children, and most of all your grandchildren.

Regards,
Chezz

[mrmichael67]

It is the active narcotic, obviously.  Norco does come in other strengths, of course.  The drawing factor is the lower acetaminophen.

[Huiler]

Thanks, again, Mike!
H.

[mrmichael67]

No problemo!

[mrmichael67]

Jeepers?

[goforyourdreams]

Thank you sooo much for the quick replys!! Maybe I should clear up the fact that my older kids live on thier own and have spouses. I spoke with my older kids about the drug problem so they know why I would be moving. I will be located around the Simi Valley area. We don't know anyone there. I am taking my 7 year old away from all family. We told her it will be for the summer only..hoping she will make friends and want to stay. To the person living in California (I'm sorry I did not get your name before writing this post)can I email you and ask a few questions about living in the LA area? My email is ***@**** I hope you all get out of this terrible dream.

[bmac]

Everyone is bitchin and moanin about all the threads closing. Is there anyone who could address this issue with the managment. I would but God knows I don't need to put my name in front of Cindy with the mouth I have, Jezzz!
Anyway youz guyz, just friggin post where there are open threads. It doean't matter if you break a thread, it's there for us anyway! So peace and love and all that really mushy stuff and I hope all you people are warm and fuzzy on the inside, I am Groovy!        residenttroublemaker! Bmac

[hippy]

hey there , glad to see ya posting.
when it comes to your life and staying clean.
do what ever you can to make it easier to stay
clean and get your life back
as we stay clean and stop abuseing  drugs , we find
that there is a life full of beauty and happiness
just waiting for us to reach out and take it back.
we al hope for the best for you and yours ,
keep us posted and stay in touch no matter where
you go, or what you do.

peace!!!!!!!! hiippy

[suzieneedshelp]

The Thomas recipe begins with an important disclaimer that THomas has on it.  It is regarding the fact that he is not a Doctor and how he created the recipe.  Plz...realize that this is important that anyone be aware of this disclaimer. It is best if it is always included in the posting of the recipe.  Thanks!
Thomas is awesome and very knowledgeable from his experiences.
Love,
Suzie

[Chezz2]

Suz,

Long time no talk to. Can you email me ***@****.
I am glad to hear you are doing so well. More happy and suprised to see you are trying to help so many others while you are still going through so much.
It is nice to see you posting again.
Or can you leave your email here again. I remember it changed.
Chezz

[mrmichael67]

I want to comment on the search feature of med help.  The archives that one searches through contains the original questions that people ask and the doctor's answers.  That is it.  The entire thread is not in the archives....just the question and answer.

[dancinginthedark]

Hey Sailor!  I'm here, albeit recalcitrant in my reply to you of last week but I was busy & re-injured my D3, D4, putting all the muscles in a spasm.  All I could do until about an hr, ago was hug myself with my r. arm & yelp at odd moments. Thank goodness I'm a writer as I can get away with such untoward behavior!

My GP, who is not just a phenomenal doctor, 48, smart, caring, and a big picture man, also happens to know *everything* about my most audancious drug related behavior.  I told him EVERYTHING! He keeps a tight rein on me & since he also happens to look like a movie star, I comply!

The pain was so bad today, he couldn't even touch my back/neck & spine area. (Tho he coulda!  Really!) Of course my yelping had to have been due to the pain.  Obviously....

It last flared up in Nov. & after 4-5 days on morphine  whistlin' Dixie, the pain was gone.  I didn't even take enough s per his directions (HULLO?) & then took the 45 or so back to his office.  Christ, I feel like such an underachiever just saying that!

Today he gave me 10 mg. fast acting morphine sulfate & hola!  I'm stoned out of my tree & can barely type but the pain is gone.  My only complaints are the nausea & weird feeling & that I'm to take 2 (?!) every 6 hrs.  I don't think so!  

My DOC is Fiorinal which is why I'm often over at DA.  We blew out their bandwith here & yes, we do talk a lot.  But I'll bet a great many ppl here would feel a similiar ambivalence about F, unless I invite you to start in my major motion picture entitled, "Beach Blanket Butalbital."  Hey, we can negotiate.  

I was very addicted to codeine for a about a yr., quit Jan 20, suffered more from 6-8 wks. of rebounds than all the rest of it, barring the first delightful 5 days.  Yes, I've had a few since but I'm kind of blah about it.  Yet F....oh my love!!!!!

I expect the easy answer, meaning it's true, is we all have diff. bio-chemistry.  I remember I had 2 kitties & we traveled a lot.  I was in search of myself but every time I found "her", I'd bellow, "Now that I've found you, GET LOST!"  But Atom Ant who was a Cat became virtually comatose from 2.5 mg. valium, 1/2 of what the vet said he needed for his size.  Petite Lucy became completely ballistic & actually became psychotic on 2.5.  Somewhere btwn hither & yon, I called the vet & he told me to give her more in 1/2's & she could have up to 2.  She only got worse & trying to cram those down her throat in a psychotic state was an exercise I could have quite down w/out.  

I wonder if that type of differential might help explain why people "just like us" can take it or leave it when we'd give up our training brassiere for just one F.  Dunno, it's just a thought.  Any ideas, gang?

How are ya, Kurt?  Yes, indeed to Engl. Lit tho I must say, I fell completely in love with French.  Camus, Malraux, Celine, Sartre, Coleete, de Beauvoir, Hugo, Balzac & many others. Oh and Beckett!  Yeah, yeah, he was born in Dublin but spent most of his life in Paris & 20 yrs. after his arrival was writing everything in his adopted language.  I confess after a semester (1/4) on the existentialists, well, the world was making (bloody awful) sense to me but I got it!! :-) Not that I wanted it!

I think one of the finest books I've ever read is Man's Fate by Andre Malraux.  It walks you to the precipice of death, makes you shiver & THINK.  I had nightmares for weeks.  It's also extraordinarily well written, a "war" story, has powerful characterization & is a MUST read.  

Sorry, folks! I was just about to launch into Celine, give a snoozing nod to Flaubert's Mme Bovary but I won't!  I guess I sort of like books & off I went & hey, I'm stoned!!!  I can't even feel the pain....sigh!

Kurt, ca va monsieur?  Do tell me what's new.  I forgot to tell you earlier that the novella you composed on this brd should be the intro to your book.  It *is* a soul shaker.  It *was* long & normally I skim thru such a post but with your missive, I read it thru several times.

If that's any indication of your style, you damn well better have a book underway.  Espec. since you already have the Prologue ritten.

Write on & write me back when you're so inclined!

Best,

Judes

[peaz]

You lost me, Doll........:-)   Try 'er again.

[Laurcette]

First off, I would like to say what a big help this forum has been for me. I've been reading for the past week and a half. Thanks to y'all who contribute! I know people like me are comforted to know that they're not alone.

percsnomas,
You responded to a question/comment that I put on yesterday. You said that maybe my pain was "feeding the addiction" pain. What is that? Like rebound pain? I was also wondering how long, if that's the case, the "pain/w/d" will last?

My back problems are degenerative disk disease & osteoarthritis.
I had a herniated disk at L5-S1 and had a fusion last Oct. Two weeks after my surgery, I started taking Buprenex for pain/w/d, so this time is different. (Stayed on it for four months till the pain came back and started on percs again.)  I had another MRI done a couple weeks ago and it showed two bulging disks right above the fusion site. This COULD be causing the pain, but it could also be psychosomatic. I don't want to be on narcotics anymore, but on the other hand, I don't want to suffer either. I don't think that I could take them responsibly, but was wondering if there was anyone in my shoes who has experienced the same thing. Any input would help.  Thanks! Laur

[pammy0690]

When a thread closes just post where you can.  Most of the time that is at the top of page at the first thread.  The threads are filling up quickly these days with all the new posters.  If you have a question post it on the first thread.  Hang in there and be patient someone will get back to you if they have knowledge on the subject.  To post new questions you have to get in here early eastern time and there are only two new questions a day.  Good luck to everyone in withdrawals out there!  Pamela

[Chezz2]

Terter,

The methadone is most likely still in her system and is stemming off the withdrawals. Most likely when they hit, she'll call ya...

Nana,
Yes, some changes were made to the site recently. It has made it extremely hard to post, since threads are limited now. And the new questions can literally get "answered" and filled up by days end. That means no more posting for anyone.
Not sure if they are going to change it back, but we really can't be effective in this type of forum since issues can't get resolved or even brought up hardly anymore.

Regards,
Chezz

[terter]

How long will that much Methodone stay in your system? My mom said 3 days but she was on it for so long and took a lot more. I guess I have no choice but to wait for her call. Over 3 days she took about 6 tablespoons How much in mgs is that? Thanks TER

[Kurt Cobain]

Yeah, it *does* seem that this place has gotten rather "bogged down" lately, hasn't it?  Seems kind of backwards. . .it almost seems slower and more crowded NOW than before the "issues" we experienced here about a week ago. . .wonder what's up with that?

Just wanted to say "hey" to all the other people out there and let you guys know that I'm okay too. . .even if I'm just quietly reading other people's posts.

As for the limit of 2 posts per day due to the busyness of the forum doctors. . .I can understand this and I'm sure that their time IS very limited.  However, this doesn't explain:

-- NO new questions posted on 6/5 at all
-- ONE each on 6/6 and 6/7, and
-- NONE on 6/9 (yesterday)

I suppose it's possible that there were just no new questions (or only one) on the days indicated. . .but from the amount of people here who express frustration at the inability to post new questions almost daily, this seems very unlikely.

Lastly. . .I wonder if another section may be possible here -- something like "patient-to-patient ONLY" interaction, where the number of topics would not be restricted by a physician's one-time reply.  As has been noticed, the "one question -- doctor's answer" approach seems to be standard on almost all other MedHelp forums except this one, and may work well for them.  But here, there are so many "experts" on the subjects of addiction, withdrawal, pain, and so on that the people's willingness to support and help one another actually outstrips the space to do so, which I think is AWESOME, by the way. . .

I don't really know if anything like this is feasible.  I'm sure I'm not the first to have thought of something like this, and it's probably as much or more a question of Net bandwidth as it is the physician's time in limiting questions/interactions here, but just wondering aloud.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Peace,

Kurt

[Linco]

Just a short thank you to all who have taken the time to help me with my duragesic problem.  I only hope it's not as bad as I fear.  This forum is amazing!!

[hippy]

go up to the 3rd comment on this thread , the one by
suzee and go to the addiction board she has posted in her comment, you cqan post and post there.
peace !!hippy

[mrmichael67]

It might be three or four days until symptoms surface.

Linco

In order to proper taper off of the patch, you need to be put on an equivalent dose of norco or whatever pill you wish and then taper with them.  You would have to take around 80mg - 90mg of norco to equal what you were taking and start your taper from there.  Just because you are on the lowest dose of the patch, it doesn't mean you are at the end of a taper.  I used the chart at:  http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.htm and substituted oxy for hydro and went with the high number.  I also took into account the 2-3 breakthrough norco you take.  If you were to go down about 5mg every week or two, you should be alright.  If it starts to get a little difficult, break them into quarters and go down at 2.5mg at a time.

[Kurt Cobain]

Thanks dude!  Just popped over there now. . .looks interesting!  

Peace,

Kurt

[Laurcette]

Hey! Was just curious as to how you learned to take pain meds responsibly? I'm just waiting it out cuz I don't want to be chained to my meds again. I feel good mentally now that the fog has lifted--laurie

[goforyourdreams]

I would like to thank you Hippie for your kind words to me before memorial weekend! I asked the question if it is easier to leave town for a time to get off drugs/ and away from the pep's supplying them to me. I left two days later for Texas all alone. It was great! After 3 years on Hyro I had all of 3 days W/D.I slept and have slept through the night since with no RLS. Ihad tryed before and gave in on the second day. My parents prayed for me before leaving and I could not belive I was released that quick. After 14 days I came home to be with my Husband and daughter and all was fine. No cravings lot's of energy.I lasted 3 days home and a friend called and asked me if I wanted more. I can't belive I did it!!! I took almost 25 in 3 days. Everytime I visit my family at least 2 in the room have some on them! I was SOOO happy being away and did not want to come back home.I know in reality I can't run from my problems..my question is do you or anyone here think it would be better to move from my town? Maybe for a year or so until I get enough time under my belt? Like I said before I've never been the type to call DR's or ask strangers for anything. I got into this from my family and their friends. Besides my mom and dad most of my cousins and brother have the same drug problem. I wonder sometimes who's NOT on drugs? We have the oppertunity to move to California with a transfer of jobs. I want to go and my husband is fine with it. But I have 2 other kids ages 21 and 20 and one has 2 small kids and the other has one on the way. I feel like a total losser when I think about moving and leaving my kids and grandkids. I asked them to move with me but they say this is thier home which I understand. I am very close to my family and think how sad it is to be so selfish in moving to get my life together. Please tell me what you all think please!One more thing..after 2 days of hydro will i go into W/D again?

[goforyourdreams]

I'm sorry it was 3 days on hydo again and 25 of them. Just wanted to clear that up. Will I go through WD'S after being off for about 16-17 days and doing that many again? Thank everyone!

[mrmichael67]

One thing you do have to remember is you need to do what you need to do for yourself and not anyone else.  If you want to get clean, then don't worry if you are being selfish.  More people stand to benefit from your getting clean than just you.  That isn't so selfish to me.

[mrmichael67]

You will probably feel a tad uncomfortable for a few days.  It will pass.  So, you CAN start all over.  That is what you should do.  If you fall off, pick yourself up and get going again.  Relapse is a part of it, unfortunately.

[terter]

What part of ca. do you think you might move? I live in ca. Anyway 3 days of w/d for you and I thought I had it easy. I went through 5 or 6 but they weren't bad I was sleeping on the 3rd day, I still lack energy not as bad as the beginning but I still think about taking them all the time it is hard to be around people who have them some can take the pressure some can't. I my self can't. If it were easy for me I would do it in a minute. I moved from my family 11 years ago but I brought my kids with me, I used to live in san diego but live near santa cruz now. I talk to my husband all the time about moving back but I have a grandson here and would hate to leave him.  TER

[Huiler]

I humbly ask...Whut's Norco?
Whut's Hydro?   Hydrocodone, Hydromorphone?
Thanks

[cetiya]

I just got off the patch myself, but am now addicted to the Oxycodones I had to take to get off it.  That patch is hard to get off of, and I was on the lowest dose.  The oxycodones made it easier to get off, I just slept thru a week, but felt like I was being electrocuted several times a day.  Now I will have to taper myself off the oxys.  It just irriates me that my doc refused to give me soma, cos they are so "addictive" but offered me methadone, and fentanyl, and now I'm addicted to oxys, but was never addicted to soma. I never had a withdrawal from somas.  good luck!  are you going cold turkey?  that will be rough.  I wish I had never gone on the patch, looking back, it was a mistake.  Cured my pain, but caused a lot of other problems.

[Jerri2]

It's ok if you forgot about poor old me down below.I only cried for a little while!!But after reading methmans post I laughed for an hour!!Martha Stewart belongs in jail just to shut her up and get her off of the T.V.!!!!I'm on day 7 and not to bad this time!It helps 100% that I can come on these boards and joke with you all!!And I cant leave out our resident TEDDY BEAR!!!The naughty one!!!  Love to all...Jerri

[peaz]

But it was just a MOMENTARY lapse, darlin'---they I came to my senses and reposted to you and Gracie.....:-)  I'm gonna blame it on my past drug use..LOL  Hey--that came in handy as an excuse, huh??!!
   Methman is one of the funniest people I know....Bill, too.  They're both great guys.   'Cept Bill  is more like Boris Karloff than a teddy bear....LOL   But I promised I'd go along w/ whatever he said!!!  HAHAHAHAHAH    Gulp--I'm dead meat....

  CONGRATS ON 7 DAYS!! Keep up the good work!!  See ya chickie!!   Love, Peazy

[mrmichael67]

You wrote jeepers in another thread.

[mrmichael67]

Try what again?

[dancinginthedark]

I just saw your post to MrM & I think I know what he's talking about.  I have searched hither & yon, including launching myself in, via google & in every case, there is a list of that initial question & the Doc's reply.  NO other replies by forum members.

In all my searching I have *never* found anything more & if there are archives there, well, color me pink!  

I don't think we can go back to any threads to re-read msgs & that includes the ones that have just dropped off the bottom here.  They go bye-bye!!!!

So, YOU, how the heck are ya?  I must say you're sounding positively zesty & your msg to me & a bunch others completely cracked me up!  

Hey, doll, no need to drag my sorry ass back here.  I've quite missed MH but after a wk. of not visiting, a certain smelly, ugly barnyard animal so turned my stomach I had to back away.  Having just gone thru that with a certain female member here really turned me off MH, albeit temporarily.  With her, I've got ALL the proof to not only have her banned for the 6th time but to ensure she never returns.  With expillNOT.ha I launched my own salvo after I'd told everyone to ignore him. (Moi? :-) He sent quite a few back to "goaT" me but NFW!  I think what pissed him off the most was my utter confidence in the fact that my pinky was larger than his fully erect jackhammer he used to "jack" off with in front of the computer.

Peazy - Pls Think of a game plan because he's supposed to be back on the 20th!!  And I'll bet tomorow's underwear, he will be back.  IMO, he does NOT belong here but then I am kind of a *****!  But to me, you shouldn't have to ask a 55 y/o to behave like an adult.  He apologizes..my question is, why the hell did you do it in the 1st place?  

I remember as a kid when I'd do something REALLY bad (like light the basement on fire as a non-applicable example) I'd say to Dad.  "I'm sorry, I'm sorry...over & over.  Finally he'd interrupt & say, "Don't say you're sorrry, just don't do it."  I've always remembered that because so often ppl apologize by rote, often to be excused for the most heathen behavior.  Sorry is supposed to make everything right & cancel out the wrongdoing.  Heavens, more often than not, we all must apologize & take responsibility but I keep thinking of this goatuphisa-s & I can't fathom a single reason on this earth, barring narcissism, as to why he would have literally no regard for all other forum members, our space constraints & Cindy & Phil.  

I wonder if Cindy would give us maybe 2 extra threads so we could go back to where we were before.  We still don't have anywhere near the board space as we had.  

I do like DA, mostly because we have such a tight-knit F grp, well over a doz now & *everyone* is making slow but sure progress. And Lisabet joins us on a reg. basis as well!  But medhelp is still my fave.  Gee, do you think it's safe to come home again?  Mizz Psycho is still aboard.

Well, Mlle, great to hear you're still kicking.  Keep out of trouble and keep in touch!

Love,
Judes

Judes

[longtimegone]

Hey Stranger, hope all is well for you. Haven't heard from ya in a while so I just wanted to say hi.HI!!!
Jim

[theGolden1]

There is NO geographical cure for drug addiction. You need some kind of a program to help you formulate a plan for getting through those kinds of situations ... which is probably avoiding them altogether at first. But trust me on this one ... there are drugs in California.

[bmac]

Hey you, great novel! (I am kidding..Jesus!) Were you in as great mood or what?  OK I am out of here, the wrath awaits!
            I'm a Troublemaker!  Bmac

Peazy, you better watch yourself! I mean it!

[SarpyJesse]

Good morning, you 4 stringed anti-yankee!

Why are you up right now? If I were on YOUR meds, I'd be sound asleep by now..... I just finished putting my classical guitar stuff to CD, so E-mail me, and I can get your address again, and send y'all a copy!

I'll talk at ya later!

Jess

[bmac]

I am getting ready to go to the hospital to have my pain doc play around in my back and shoulder while I sleep. I guess your email address would be the same. I am thinking anyway, if I don't answer in ten minutes send one to me! Bill

[haveme1]

fentanyl 75 for 4 months.  How do I get off them?

[FLaddict]

This is a thread from 2003 you should repost your question on the main page so it does not get overlooked..  Click 'BACK TO FORUM" below then click Post a new question..