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Hi all. I've been clean off Norco since April 1. Dealing w/depression and the rest. Been getting horrid migraines. I ran out of Imitrex so yesterday took a bunch of Aspirin, probably 15+. Of course to me this was no biggie since I'm used to taking more than I'm supposed to of my drugs. But the migraine got worst, finally went to ER for a shot of Imitrex (asked for no narcs, which I guess was good). But now I have very bad ringing in my ears. It's been 18 hrs since I took the last aspirin, still here. I'm afraid it might be permanent. I can't stand it, want to throw my head through a window and make it stop. I tell myself I'm being tested again with these headaches and now this, on top of depression. But I'm really freaking out here. Can anyone help, please? First, on the ringing from the aspirin (I have no money and no insurance, so can't go back to ER) and then on the headaches and depression, sense of isolation? I'm going to my first meeting on Sunday, if this damn ringing goes away. Thanks everyone; I've been reading a lot here and it really helps.
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Thanks I think that will finally do it. I've got all I need.
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What is your dose of methadone?  Are you on the 10mg tablets?
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Angst,
Sorry I had to leave (Dr. appointment). The dose is 5mg and I take 2 (10mg) in morning and 1 (5mg) at noon and 1 (5mg) at 4pm
so thats 20mg a day. I hope your still there if not I'll find
you.
Tom
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You are on a low dose of methadone.  The doc will probably adjust your dosage as needed.  I take 90mg every morning of the time released "orange juice".  They adjust the dosage as needed, I'm usually maintained on 70mg or so, until I want to detox.
It keeps the monkey off my back.
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They put you on the methadone probably for the long action for chronic pain.  Roxycodone is oxycodone.  I looked it up on another site.  I've been told that you can feel the oxy's through the methadone.  You cannot ususally feel other opiates on methadone unless you take a really high dose, then you take a chance of od'ing.  The roxy is for breakthrough pain.  I am on the orange juice clinic.  It is time released.  A dose in the morning, and I'm good to go until the next morning.  If I missed a day, I wound not be in withdrawals due to the long half life.
I would not take the oxycontin unless you are trying to get a buzz.
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Angst,
Thanks for the excellent info. I'am almost there. One question:
Why did they take mo off the oxy40s to put me on Methadone and
also give me roxicodones (100 30mg) for breakthrough? I though
the oxy and the roxi were the same thing both codones. Is it the
same? Like I said I had a few oxys left, can I take those in place of the roxicodones for breakthrough and still not defeat
the purpose of the switch over or am I back to square one?
Hi Kip. I hope your doing better today even though its a stormy
monday. Everyone thanks for everything, I'am starting to feel like a regular here and thats a GOOD feeling not to be intrusive.
Tom
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My life is so much better today than I ever expected.  I have a few problems with my ex and kid.  We talk and work through the rough times.  I have hopes and aspirations.  In other words, I set short and long term goals.  I do not consider myself a using addict.  I am on maintainence for a couple of problems.  If I let myself, I could go back out to the abyss again.  But I do not want to go there again.  I am strong and mean about drugs today.  I have my old friends (just a very few) who knew me before all of the drugging started.  I have some new acquaintances who seem healthy for me.  I've learned so much in my 36 years.  I had to learn coping skills which I had none at 18 years old.  
My mother, God bless her soul, said recovery is a lifetime process.  I believe her.  Her determination not to drink again has given me strength not to use again.  I cannot do it successfully.
I appreciate your trufulness.  I was in therapy with a PhD in psychology for 7 years.  She gave me much of what I use today to handle life's ups and downs.   Thanks for the posting.  Do not pity me.  I am not pitying myself.  I love my life.
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Im sorry I have no quick answer for you. I think you know that.I wish I could wave a magic wand and make all the heartache life has given you go away.Please know that i will wish you well and keep you in my prayers.
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I have a hx of PTSD, borderline personalityD/O, asthma, and lots of anxiety.  The doctor put me on benzo's at 14.   That was 22 years ago.  I've taken every benzo there is except valium. They tried a valium detox, but valium bottomed out my mood.  I became suicidal and started to self-mutilate again.  It had not self-mutilated in years.  My psyche began to fall apart.  I was in another rehab the next week.  All they wanted was to meet the nursing board standards, not treat me.  They did a phenobarb detox.  I had no seizures, but I had an anterior infarct (heart attack).  The doctor there placed me on neurotin, effexor, naxalone, trazadone(during the day and at night), and one more that I forget.  
I came home only to find that I could not leave the house.  I had to tell my child that I could not go with her out to eat or anything that meant leaving the house.
I went back to my internist who treats my asthma.  He did an ecg and put me back on xanax.  He d/c'd the other meds except effexor, which I did that on my own.  My depression is situational, not chemical.  I know xanax is not the recommended treatment for my psyche problems, but it works for them and my asthma.  I breath better when I am relaxed.  My asthma drugs tend to hype me.
My doctor will practice for maybe 20 more years.  He knows I am on methadone for the 2nd time, and I take responsibility for my dosage.  He also knows I do not abuse the xanax.  I never get it filled early or call back for more early.  Xanax has a bad rap, and it was hard for my ex to accept my use of it, until the heart attack.
What's your opinion, since you are in the mental health field?
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I know people who have jumped off the methadone at 100mg and lived to talk about it.  It is much more productive if you are in charge of the dosage.  They usually start you on 30 or 40mg, then increase weekly, as the need arises.  It is an old but rather good treatment for chronic pain.  It has a long half life (36 hours, I am pretty sure), maybe longer.  That is the drug's downfall.  When withdrawing from methadone, even after you've taken the last dose, you will have more in your system to get rid of.  
I kicked.  I was on 100mg.  I went down 10mg every week.  Every now and again I'd wait 2 weeks.  When I got down to 30mg, I started feeling sick.  I hung in there.  I flushed the 0.5mg doses down the toilet, because I was ready for the w/d's to be over.  I made it with the help of NA, every day for 90 days.  Then mostly everyday, they had elected me as Group service rep.
I was clean for 6 months.
I took a high stress nursing job, with 12 hour shifts.  It was a med/surg and oncology floor together.  This was a poor private hospital.  It paid the nurses good because we'd have 7,8 even 9 patients to care for during our shift.  That was dangerous.
After 3 relapses,  going to the abyss on the 2nd, and 2 rehabs, I got back on the methadone.  I went from shooting 8 to 12 mg of dilaudid a day to 40mg of methadone.  I did not have real w/d's.
I felt better as my dose increased.  I've heard you can feel the oxy's on meth, esp if you shoot.  I've never tried, and I do not suggest it.  You can take them by mouth, one at a time, if you need it for breakthrough. The roxy is morphine? Anyway, if the doctor said it is safe for breakthrough, it is.  Just stick to the dosage on the label.  I've known a few people die on methadone, trying to take enough oxy's or K4's to get high.  
You will not feel the oxy's as well, but it will be some relief.
I had surgery, I was on methadone, and I had morphine for pain in a PCA.  I hate those things.   I could feel it after I hit the button 6 times or so to get a decent dose.
Methadone is hard to kick.  But no harder than a significant K4 habit or any real heavy addiction to opiates.  I have a high tolerance and it has worked for me.  Good Luck
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Sorry to hear about your asthma and being under the weather.Could you put on some music or are you feeling well enough to get out of the house? I hope today is better for you.Your a good woman with a capital W.Thinking of you and sending you a hug and a smile.Try to catch it.
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Boy oh boy,
Youve got alot on your plate.I do hope youll feel better. Last thing you need is this guilt over your parenting skills. So let it go.. You know what your values are. You dont have to compete with him. Its a long term investment.Try and find some alone time for you two, even if its in the car.Just listen to her. Its hard to 11. Let her pick a project for the two of you to do. even if its making Brownies from a mix. Thats what she ll remember.The time together. Please as a personal favor for a woman you dont even know who has raised 3 children well not completely I still live with a teenager, SHUT OFF Jerry Springer.It gives them a distorted view of life. It lowers her personal expectations of life and how women should be treated.Thats your job. Pick a higher standard.Let her know that your decision on curtailing her JUNK TV viewing is NOT negotiable !!! She can sneak to her friends house but at least she ll know you wanted MORE for her. Talk to her about your reasons as a woman and a mother. It will help her later in life when she is a parent.Kids need and want boundaries. Shell remember that you taught her that lesson.That you didnt want her to think that was what normal life should like.That you demanded, supported and expected more for her.Be calm about your argument .Your right. There  is nothing to argue about .your the parent and youve made a decision. Thays how it should be!!!If she got hit by a car youd take her to the hospital.Well shes been hit psychologically by low standards andthis is abusive to children you can explain it that way. She may already know this listen to how she really thinks about it.Does she think its normal? Would she want to live like those people/ What can she do not to be like them? LISTEN>>>Good luck and feel better.Hang in there.
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Hi,
  This is hinkster I've talked to you before. The pain management
Dr.s put me on Methadone for my pain and took me off the Oxys. They also gave me 100 30mg roxicodones for either breakthrough or
oxy withdrawals. Maybe you can help me with this one. You keep
saying the Methadone has saved your life. As you can see I'am
crying out for all the info I can get on Methadone. I'am getting
scared to death by some of the posts on Meth, but also read the
compliments from other people. Please What have I exactly gotten
myself into by switching over? And also is it going to really help me with my PN pain? Is it okay to take the 30mg roxicodones
along with the Meth? Also I have a few oxy 40's left, is it safe
to use these up while on the Meth? I know you or someone else will have these answers for me. Its Sunday around noon and I might not be back until tomorrow morning.
Thanks
Tom
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hope your feeling ok.
i was just out for a few hours helping a freind of mine who is blind, he needad help making brail lettering lables for his cd collection. i told him the name of the cd he typed out the names in brail and we stuck them on each cd, we got about 50 cd's done.
he lives alone and is very independent. It was an uplifting experence. I thought i was the only person with problems. HA HA
well he was so cheefull and grateful i left his place feeling so much better than when i had arrived.
your situation sounds trying,  keep  your head up,  you and all of here are headed in the right direction.
I was in a situation like yours at the end of my second marrage,i know it can be very hard on the heart, as rar as feelings go. when i was there i  just tried to keep my children
#1 and just kept loving them, it was so hard to love myself ,back then. it passed in time and i met my third wife after a while. we have been married for 13 years now and it is a good marrage. love is the best medicine.
I have love for everyone on this fourm my heart goes out to you and all ,who are traveling this rocky road.  Ihope you get some sleep thats another good healing medicine   peace  michael
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Hey is anyone still out there awake and alone on their computer?
I am still awake.  Insomia is strong tonight.  My ex and I just had a weird exchange.  We are living together, but I have my own room and the whole upstairs to myself.  We do not share anything except our child and meals and chores.  He freaked out when I had his cell phone like I was checking out who had called and who he had called.  I'm not like that.  I simply do not care who
he calls or sees.  It is almost understood that when I'm on my feet, I'll get an apartment.  He then started telling me that he is not seeing anyone, like it was from the book of who cares.  I'm not getting any right now.  It just is not a good time to start a relationship.  I'm living with my ex right?  He goes out occasionally, and I assume he meets women.  I've never known a man who did not.  I can live with that.  He insists on telling me otherwise.  He spoils me.  He always has.  I wish he'd just make up his mind, and maybe he has.  My daughter talked to her dad after she had a hard emotional time, and she got to go skating even though she is still on restriction.  I'm kind of glad she got out of the house.  I mean she goes to school and her ball games and works in the yard.  But she was so tired of being around her parents all the time.  She needed a night out and away from us.  I am okay, just awake and alone, except for my ex who is watching the tele.
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Hippy,
We both were in foster homes.  Many of my problems were because my brain did not form as others do.  Mother took valium her whole pregnancy with me.  She also took a drug for nausea that affected my reproductive system.  At 36, after several surgeries, I had an abd hyst with removal of ovaries as well.

My dad was bipolar and I went through fight or flight from birth to age 12.  When my parents split, mom had a break down.  I went into foster care for the first time. At age 14, the anxiety and wish to die started.  The doctor put me on a benzo.  

I also smoked pot at age 10.  Took my first drink around 12, not counting the homemade wine my father gave us as young as 4 years.

I survived.  That was not enough for me.  I became an addict.  I always said surviving is not enough, I want more.  I got more of somethings I did not want or need.  NA was a good place for me.
It still is.  I went to a meeting two weeks ago.  My asthma had me indoor this week.  It is hot and humid on the gulf coast.  I'm doing well with my methadone program.  I did go to group on Friday when I picked up my take homes.  I am blessed that the only trouble I got in was losing my nursing license when I did.
I will discuss today with my ex.  He did stick  to his guns about buying her only the two things she went to the store to get.  Good to hear from you.  Sounds like you did right by your children.  Shows you are a good person.  
Thanks for posting,  Ava
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hey ther , hope your stomach is feeling better, what works for me is wheat or white bread. I here dairy is not so good , but everyone is different. Of course my grand mother always made me
drink ginger ale.
I  was a single father with two children, and when ever they were not feeling great or just complaining, and being bratty.
My parents would stop over and go into FIX them mode, by taking them out for ice cream . a cartoon movie and or a toy.
I had to put a stop to thier fixing. Telling them , how do you think i became the instant gratification addict that i am.
I had to teach the kids that there was a time for work and a time for play. A time to sow and a time to reap.
That they had to accept life and deal with it , with out needing to fix it, all the time.
Well i did pay a lot of attention to them, and gave them a stable household. something i never had.
They are doing fine these days my daughter is married with a 3 year old son. and my son is off to collage with a full scholarship.in sept.  
Neither one has shown any addiction problems. one is 18 and the other  23 and neither do drugs or drink at all.
So much different then me. But then  agian  iwas in foster homes
, abused, molested by a doctor freind of the family. went to 10 different grade schools. started smoking weed at 12 and stealing cars at 13. ,just your regular broken home ,stolen childhood.
american nightmare. , and drugs and sex came to my rescue at a young age and they worked. i used to run away from my hated life.

and it got worse untill i finally got clean in na when i was 24 .
and that gave my kids a chance at life.  sorry to ramble.
peace  life is good , it s the pain that i have to keep an eye on. the loss of loved one's and so on. I have to be careful not to use the pain s in life as an excuse to kill myself by useing and abuseing drugs.
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Hi Angst- I too am having a totally nonproductive day which in intself may not be such a bad thing. I'm usually a relentless multitasker, organizer freak so sometimes it benefits me to just sit and do nothing. I feel like a little black cloud has descended down and is following me around today. I'm in such a funk I can't seem to do much but look at stuff on this computer and wander from room to room. I also seem to have no concentration today either. I feel like I'm about to slide back into depression, I've never been on meds for it and I have been clean for a number of years now so it's no post opiate thing. I guess I should just stop stressing about it for now and just try to feel whatever the hell I am feeling without running from it or trying to fix it. I went through some of the same stuff with my son that you were describing with your daughter. His dad and I split when he was little and what one didn't give in to him for the other would find out and make sure to do it. Despite all that he turned out to be a quite decent human being( he is 24 now) and I am very proud of him although he is going through some tough times of his own now he still always asks me how I am doing and what can he do to help. Take care angst, I'm trying to look at this as just a crappy day nothing more. I have asthma and am having a rough day with it because it is so damp and humid here in this part of the midwest I live in. Did you say you were from the Gulf Coast? I went down there in March for a business meeting and although I liked it very much the humidity about did me in, I was bonded to my inhaler the whole time. Take care. IR.
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Today has been totally non-production except for a few posts.  I would not take my daughter to Walmart, about 14 miles away, because she gets the wants with immediate gratification.  Her dad gave in and took her.  We reinforce her behavior sometimes, a lot of the time.  I just told her I would take her tonight.  He had to get some other thing, and took her as if I had said nothing.
This is not anything new.  All of her life, we give in and let her tell us what and when to do things.  Since we are divorced and I may move into an apartment later on, she may be something else when she is older.  However, she usually shows pretty good judgement.  
The antibiotics I'm on has my stomach upset.  I know some yogurt with live cultures would help.  Any other suggestions other than immodium?   I do not want to block things up for a week or anything.
I'm anxious as usual.  My O2 sat is probably low.  I am breathing pretty hard.  My lungs are shot.  I wish the humidity here would drop a little.  We live almost in tropical weather on the gulf coast.
I guess I could read or watch TV, but I cannot sit still that long.  If I get propped up nice in bed, I might could fall asleep.  I think I'm going to give that a try, then clean up the kitchen later.  It is not that bad.  Just a few dishes to wash.
Thanks for listening.  You all keep me sane, if I am, which is yet to be determined (ha ha).
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I also believe the whole of this forum is greater than any one person who posts here.  Many people have helped me, tlk meagain hippy seamstress ww and so many more.  I left that out of my earlier post and had to put it where it belongs.
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How right you are when you said the group is a power great than myself.  I can understand that and put it to practice.  What about those personality conflicts that take place.  I will listen to one person, with whom I conflict, for 15 minutes or so.
When he has been talking for 30 minutes, I have been tuning out, so by the time his 45 minute speech is up, I've totally been elsewhere.  He usually repeats the topic and goes off on his agenda.  I also find I cannot listen to him talk about killing his dogs or hitting his kids.  Poor guy lost his wife about 5 years ago.  There is more history between us.  Not like 13 stepping, but we let them live with us for a little while, a month to be exact.  They caused too much uproar.  He terrorized my child who was only 6 or 7 at the time, verbally.  He does not show up much.  I can definetly use the group without him.
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irishrose, thanks for the post that let  me know i'm not all alone.  i have asthma, too.  i also have bronchitis and sinusitis right now.  i'm anxious as hell because i cannot breath real good and my O2 sat is kind of low for me.  i use my emergency inhaler just shake a little more.  thank god for the xanax my doctor makes me take.  i'd shoot off like a rocket without it.  the drug has a bad rep.  i've been on benzo's for 22 years of my 36 year life.  this is fast acting and helps the bronchospasms a lot.  i do not abuse my benzo's.  my doctor knows i am an opiate addict.  i am on methadone for the second time.  doc is dilaudid.  i cannot smoke pot because of my asthma.  it expands my chest, and i cannot breath.  i do not drink much because anyone with a history of vascular headaches will tell you alcohol makes them worse.  Although i do not get the headaches much anymore.  i cannot do any kind of speed, because of the anxiety.  so i pretty much just have the one addiction to opiates.  i lost my license to practice nursing, but i could get it back now.  i appreciate your post.

meagain,  are you on the oxy's or bup these days?  or just taking the recipe.  i know you had a set back.  it is important not to let it become a relapse.  if you take the oxy's once or twice, you can stop it there.  it will not become a full blown  relapse.  thanks for posting.
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here i am !!! im was just looking for u!! email me -***@****  if u need to chat- i have to send emily to a birthday party-thank god  a few hour peace but ill be around unless i do the laundry  ha ha ha ha ha    i crack myself up like that gonna happen,i still have clean materny tops and my snow pants to wear,so no rush although-robs shorts are kinda tight on me- maybe ill just go al -natureal
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tlk
Need help? Yes! I have a pile of clothes as high as my couch and all three of my kids are out of school today (5,8,9). I'm already going nuts and it's only 9:30!
Thanks so much for the tip on the meds. I will try that asap. I looked into insurance through the state (Texas) but we don't qualify, my husband makes too much (go figure) although I don't see how because we are always broke. My medical bills alone have ruined our credit.
My youngest just walked in and informed me that some boy in her class was trying to make her stick her hands down her pants! I'm so pissed! God, what a pig. I have a real problem with that; I know just how scarring that can be, or maybe I'm overreacting and it was just kids. My dad, who I don't talk to, molested all my sisters. It really freaked me out. I'm signing off to call her teacher. tlk
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