Tramadol to help withdrawals?

[taliwagger]

Daughter is on day 3 of detox. Still in a lot of pain. She does have a prescription for tramadol so yesterday we did give her one every 8 hours. She is determined to go to work today...wants one Tramadol to get her thru. should we give it to her?

[pitbullmom]

thank you for your words of encouragment i really do appreciate it. keep me posted bout ur daughter and urself please. if you come across any /s feel free to pm me.

[taliwagger]

Youre wrong pitbullmom..I'm cheering for you and others here are too:) You are a great encouragement to me and I thank you for all the support you have given me. You're right, I went to therapy today and I really need to start refocusing on me. I think the past few days, now that we're out of "crisis mode" just kind of caught up with me and I started to crash feeling that this is bigger than me. Thank you again!

[pitbullmom]

ur daughter honestly probly feels happy even tho sub is an opiate its a diff kind and ur mind gets clearer and u almost feel like yourself again for me 2nd week of sub i was very happy and content. i was on alot of meds and u dont relize u change so much  until u stop them  u should think about meeting for u if ur really streesed it will help u relize u hav no control so why stress of  it just keep encouraging her let her kno how proud u r. like i said b4 i dont hav any1 cheering for me and sometimes we need that so we dont give up. ur a good mom 4 what ur doing keep it up. just try not to let it rule UR life

[taliwagger]

It's been a week and a half since my daughter started at the clinic. We see a HUGE difference in her...not great but a start. Friday, she starts with her therapist.
It's ME who's actually losing it right now. I feel engulfed in this, even when I'm trying not to. Thank God for good therapists, thats really holding me some what together right now.

No more tramadol or klonopin will be perscribed to my daughter by her MD. At this point even him percribing her ADD meds are a question.

Me and hubby? We're just taking things day by day or minute by minute.I feel overwhelmed, but I can only imagine how my daughter feels.

[pitbullmom]

addicts hav to learn the hard way if it is a mistake oh well we've made plenty i agree with nurse girl i think sub should b for serious addiction i was on 30 tramadol AND 30 percs a day at least so to take 1 sub a day im way happier and i kno people who hav had sucess and say sub saved their lives  to each his own right? when im ready i will get off but not til i hav control over this so i dont relaspse go to meetings and learn hoe to live sober. u cant expect sum1 to kno how to live sober when they never hav

[nursegirl6572]

Thanks for sharing...I understand what you're saying, however, like I said, it's the OPs daughter's decision to make, and she's already made it.

I know all experiences are different, but I really have seen a significant amt of success with it in the clinic where I helped out.  This is a debate that isn't going away any time soon.  I respect everyone's opinion on this...but mine is that, with the right kind of doc and clinic people CAN have success with it.  I also feel that Subs aren't for people wanting to come off a few Vicodin a day, I think it should be reserved for more heavy hitting drugs and more severe cases of addiction.

[Robb88]

I remember when Tramadol first came out.  I had successfully managed to get myself off of Vicodin and then Methadone because I didn't know what Methadone was at the time. Kind of similar to this scenario with Suboxone. They convinced me that they were going to wean me off of Methadone to get off of 4-5 Vicodin a day. That's like killing a fly with a hammer. Six months later I had a very serious addiction to Methadone that took about 2 months to get over cold turkey by myself. I didn't know anything then.
I have a fractured back and they started to sell Tramadol or Ultracet as a non-addictive opiate type drug. Suffice to say - it is highly addictive in a very different way then most opiates. DEPRESSION! It's the depression that really needs to be addressed with this medication. Opiates in general begin to take over your brain's own reward system and so your brain over time begins to rely on the opiate to release dopamine into your brain which is a chemical that naturally makes us feel good. Without dopamine one may easily feel suicidal. Tramadol takes over the brains dopamine release system so the brain is dependent on Tramadol for it. However, what really differentiates this drug from other opiates is it's anti-depressent type quality and is molecularly similar to Effexor which has SNRI effects. Tramadol's difference from other opiates are related to Tramadol's effect on serotonin  and norepinephrine re-uptake. Again, these two substances are the brain's way of making us feel good. Withdrawal not only has the typical opiate side effect, to a slightly lesser degree (at least in my case) but it also comes with severe anxiety, severe depression - almost to a point where I wanted someone to watch me so I didn't do anything stupid, severe mood swings, aggressiveness, brain zaps similar to the brain zaps people describe from Effexor, very bad restless leg syndrome, and very vivid night terrors.  Many people think Tramadol withdrawal isn't going to be hard because the drug isn't that powerful but in many cases it is worse than most other opiates out there because you are not only dealing with opiate withdrawal but also anti-depressent type withdrawal like Effexor, Remeron,or Paxil - Not Prozac, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, etc. The other hard part of Tramadol withdrawal is you don't begin feeling better on the third day like most other opiates. Tramadol withdrawal is at least a full week of feeling like this.  My recommendation for getting off of Tramadol is to use Tylenol 3 during the first week. Tylenol has a little Codeine in it and will help with the opiate withdrawal a little. Take one when the crying is absolutely uncontrollable.  The other must for Tramadol withdrawal is .5 mg of Xanax, 1 mg of Ativan, 1 mg of Klonopin, or 10 mg of Valium. I would choose Valium has it's half life is the longest therefore keeping you as stable as possible. Discuss with your Doctor. This should be for one week only!  Ask your doctor for only a week's worth and tell him what you're doing. The other medication you should have is Clonidine.  It comes as a patch or as pills but they help will all opiate withdrawal. It always seems when we're in withdrawal like it will never end.  It will and it does. Whatever you do, don't solve your problem by creating a much bigger one. Good luck to you. Let me know if I can be of any further help to you.

[Robb88]

The problem is this. We are sensitive people.  We feel more than most people.  We are in touch with things and see things in other people that most people can't.  Most of us are so caring and loving that this harsh and unkind world can be very difficult for us to live in. It's the sensitivity in us that makes us such great people and great friends but that sensitivity has no on/off switch. Most of us aren't looking to get high - we're looking to not feel for just a little bit.  It only takes a few moments in a room full of addicts to realize you are in the presence of greatness and some of the funniest and genius minded people on this planet. There's definitely a few that don't fall into this category. But most of us are in touch with something, something greater than us, something that makes us in touch and feel emotions in a way others don't. Most of us turn from this, are confused by it and find a substance that covers it up for a while. For me it was opiates. But by covering up those feelings, you also cover up that sensitivity of caring and love and greatness that we share that you once had so much of. This isn't about trying to get through withdrawals. That's the first 3-7 days not counting post acute withdrawal syndrome.  It's about seeing if you can allow your feelings to be as they are; allow you to be as you are. Suboxone keeps your feelings covered up and keeps you from being who you really are. Suboxone is literally a pill that keeps you from getting back to who you are.  If you're going to wean off of Suboxone than wean off of whatever you're on now.  Listen to those that have been through this. There is no easy way out but there is a way out and it doesn't have to take months or years. You will love Suboxone because you will think you won't have to go through the misery of withdrawal. You eventually will only it will be much worse and longer than you could ever have imagined and you'll be writing a warning on a website just like me.  Good luck.

[nursegirl6572]

It's her daughter's decision...and she already started.  Hopefully the clinic will be thorough, the doctor good....and she will be fast tracked through the taper process...so that she doesn't stay on too long.  I agree that Sub was not optimal for her situation...but it's up the her.

It's good that she's doing something to try to get clean.  I'm sure the OP is just happy she is safe, and not using her DOC.

I'm anxious to follow this story...my fingers and toes and crossed for this young lady!

[Robb88]

I completely agree.  Suboxone is not a drug to avoid withdrawal. There is no worse withdrawal than maybe high dosage of Methadone than Suboxone.  STAY AWAY FROM SUBOXONE!!  THE WITHDRAWAL LASTS MONTHS!!!

[Robb88]

Please do not start her on Suboxone.  There is nothing worse to get off of than Suboxone.  It took me 8 months to get off of.  It will only be a couple of weeks and everything will be okay.

[taliwagger]

OM G Reading this i can see how fuked up i am,,,,,,,,,,,,,,are we doomed?

[taliwagger]

You have no idea how much your words mean to me as I sit here wasting my baby girll blankets...not wanting them to smelly or feel like an addict. Hcoul this happen? As a mo, I/m so f'd up>>>>>>>>>> I thought I was[protecting my babies by keeping them away from this crap. So, divorcing three addict sint enough? Sooo, now what? Im  seriously not that mom on that movie "oxi-moran) WTF!!!!!!!!!!!










i'm a 60s girl
How the hell did I let this get my baby??? The one that helpe me be straight and care? WTF???I'm so angry

[taliwagger]

You have no idea how much your words mean to me as I sit here wasting my baby girll blankets...not wanting them to smelly or feel like an addict. Hcoul this happen? As a mo, I/m so f'd up>>>>>>>>>> I thought I was[protecting my babies by keeping them away from this crap. So, divorcing three addict sint enough? Sooo, now what? Im  seriously not that mom on that movie "oxi-moran) WTF!!!!!!!!!!!










i'm a 60s girl
How the hell did I let this get my baby??? The one that helpe me be straight and care? WTF???I'm so angry

[pitbullmom]

im so happy for u i felt the same exact way when i stop my doc and started sub i felt more hopeful like i had somthing to look foward to it is a drug but a diff kinda drug that binds to diff receptors and ue not walking around numb u start to feel things again  that feeling wears off the so make sure she starts na meeting in bout to start them too!

[taliwagger]

Thank you so much! You're kindness touches my heart! All of you!

[taliwagger]

Hi all!
Well, things are looking up around here believe it or not! My daughter started her program today...urine checks every visit, she starts therapy next week and the program really seems to be quite strict and intensive. The monister you step by step. I spoke with a few clients while in the waiting room and they all were very nice. The staff at this clinic is AMAZING! Every question or concern answered, phone calls accepted anytime if my daughter feels ill or starts feeling like she wants to use again. Her eyes are bright and clear again, her skin is glowing ...no more grey look and most of all, she is happy!!!! She is so very motivated to be in and stay in recovery. We're very proud of her. I know that this could very well be an up and down ride but for right now, she's happy, and I'm going to take that and revel in it. You never know what tomorrow will bring!

[dominosarah]

You didnt interrupt anything~~

[pitbullmom]

just wanted to see how ur daughter is doing sorry for interupting ur thread

[withatwist]

i am in the same program as your daughter except i am doing mine by weening myself off & not taking the subs. i agree and do not want to subsutitue one for another & eventually have to withdrawl from the subs as well. feel free to message me if she needs anything seeing as to how we we nearly be going through the same thing @ the same time. best of luck to yall!

[dominosarah]

I am glad you clarified!   The time you are spending with your daughter is wonderful.  Kids that age and older need us to be clean and sober.  Life throws enough crap at them and having someone at home is so important.  I spent those years all messed up and it is one of my regrets to this day.

[nursegirl6572]

Thanks for clarifying.  Please understand, the way you worded it:....

i didnt hav any1 but my 11 yr old daughter who i talk to about everything.

...was very concerning, like you relied on her to be your sole support system, sharing EVERYTHING.

I'm glad you didn't take offense to my comments, I was concerned for your daughter.

:0)

[Brightfutureahead]

To each their own...great post and comments on this thread. I see many points and perspectives. Different people - that's what makes the world go round.

I was hesitant to post bc there is already so many comments and I don't want to sound like a broken record but a good dr. (who tests urine, insists on meeting attendance, and emphasizes subs are a TOOL, etc) is by far better than a crappy dr who just writes scripts...if you chose to go that route.

Sara always gives the best advice...keep yourself healthy and support her recovery.

Pitbullmom - I can see why ppl posted with concern...but I knew what you meant ... I didn't think your post meant that you are having discussions about your drug use with your daughter ...

[pitbullmom]

by me saying i have her to b there for me it means that when i feel like using we go spend the day togather and it helps me kno that im making that right choice by being clean. but when the time comes and she asks me about my drug history i WILL tell her the truth i dont lie to her.