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(in public) due to the ultram, as it is one of the side effects.
I'm sure you have probably received replies to your posting by now, but I thought I should let you know about my experience with Ultram (tramadol). I was taking Ultram for about 6 months, right after its introduction, for lower back pain from 2 spinal surgeries. During this time, I was also suffering from depression. I was prescribed elevil (tricyclic antidepressant) along with Ultram. These two meds didn't mix! During the time I was taking the tramadol, I kept having problems with my tongue involuntarily jumping to the roof of my mouth while speaking. I had no idea that these were mild seizures, until I suffered a grand mal seizure a little later.
I did receive pain relief from tramadol, and would even recommend it for mild to moderate pain relief, but do watch out for drug interactions, and stick to the exact dosage. Good luck to you with your eye pain, and I hope this helps a little.
As i lay there with my skin crawling as if ants are under my skin and still suffering pain. My head is ringing! also i've been given a tricyclic antidepressant which is not at all recomended, but they still do it. I've taken my dose and kind of feel normal again! I don't know where to turn anymore. G.P's are f&%ken useless. Naturopath's too expensive and hospitals too busy!
Anyway... after reading this forum i'm convinced i'm addicted in some way!
Thanks for your time
Mic
Freakin in Denver
HELP
Maybe you can something that helps with your legs? I was just told about Valerian Root. Last night I tried for the first time and it relaxed me so much. It was the best nights sleep in a week. I believe it's one of the safest helpers and doesn'e seem to make you drowsy the next day??
Good luck and let me know if I can help. It looks like I am just a couple of weeks ahead of your progress?
Bad Company-
I saved my last 2 pills for the middle of the night because that was the hardest time for me. But maybe everyone is different? I recommend the plan you have. Dealing will be much better at home.
What is DH? I'm not really chat savvy so I am learning along the way.
I bet having your Mom near you will help you. I've got an 11 year old son that I have to be strong in front of. I don't want him to see me as fragile as I want to be.
One other plan I have used is the "Thomas recipe", check out "Ga guy"s profile. He has it on there. It is a blend of vitamins and minerals that help to counteract the maliase and drowsiness that accompanies going off tramadol. It totalled about $35, but after 1 day I've felt better. We'll see after a couple of days....
I am so excited tomorrow is Friday. I need one more weekend to rest up and I have high hopes for a better next week.
This weekend is as good as any to get off this stuff. Just be prepared for a battle and you will be fine. You will feel somuch better about yourself when all is said and done.
Dale
I don't look forward to having to work like this and hope that the worst happens this weekend instead of next week. I too have a hard time at night. I can fall asleep, but I wake up a lot with my legs aching. I still have quite a few pills that are cut in half, but I want to just totally quit. Stay strong, we can do this! That is great that you are freeing yourself of these darn things and that great that you want to be strong for your son, hang in there. Sandi
I tryed cold turkeybut after 60 hr with no sleep and know hope of it ending i hed to start back up
i tried to taper off very slow but after i got down to 6/day i was a phyical wreck.I almost lost my business and could hardly get out of bed. I failed at this to.
The bigest problem is lost of short term memory. more than 50% of the time i am not able to write a phone number correctly after being given the numbers over the phone
I have lost sex drive. i have not drunk any alcohol ( it seems to start withdraw). It has also stop RLS
I should have started this first I am 56 yr old, i have been taking Tramadol for 6 yr and now taking 20/ day
If you are starting to take this drug be careful . It create its on pain that you treat with more drugs.
If anyone knows someone who had tried Rapid Detox let me know
ric
If you have addiction tendencies, I would be very careful with the Ultram (Tramadol). I even got sick when I stopped it. (It also can cause seizures--- I know from first hand experience). Just be careful. Talk to you Doctor and voice your concerns.
He prescribed me the night mare drug known as Tramadol. If it isn't enough to question a drug with a word that sounds like, trauma. I took ONE dose of this horrible stuff. and let me tell you...I have NEVER slept so much in my life. I was totally drugged up, dizzy,dry mouth,constipation...this is how my weekend went. I slept from Sat morning 5am-12:30pm..woke up soooo tired, fell back asleep for two hours at 4pm woke up at 6pm, then fell back asleep again at 9pm woke up at 2am...fell back asleep AGAIN from 8am-3:30pm. I cannot even function on this ****!! How is this supposed to be "better" for me?!?! Then I did a little research on the drug, and was horrified seeing what everyone has gone through! It's even more addicting than morphine!! Only it tricks your brain receptors. It IS a narcotic because it effects the receptors the same ******* way. But obviously the FDA wanted to whisk this one right through, just like nightmare Vioxx, remember that one? All the lawsuits? All I know is I will NEVER take this **** again! There is NO way I can function on this. Maybe it's time I find a better doctor, one that knows what he is prescribing and the side effects before hand especially if he is so concerned with "dependence" I do not even care if a drug is narcotic or not, it just needs to work, and not lay me asleep for two days!! Has this made anyone else this sleepy??
and did'nt realise till after 2 sucessful operations for cancer. I was taking this stuff for back injury problems. Anyway I gave up cigarettes 16 years ago , I was an alcoholic for 25 years from my tours in vietnam. Now it has come time to give up these worst things. I went to a site rational recovery centre and I realised yes its true what is stated in there please go to that site and find the 28 bullets the man talks about and none of this taper down etc. Just say never again am I going to take this stuff. Once you read it you will understand what I mean, I know it sounds cruel but your in charge of your body , hands ,brain etc and if you say I'll do it tomorrow or even pickup a tablet your gone again tomorrow stays the same and picking up the tablet wether half or full dose your back on it again. please just say no more I'm the one in charge. Please go to the site that I mentioned and take in what I.ve said it's helping me. Godbless You All.
I ask because I notice if I skip a dose, my joints hurt and my body aches. I feel generally awful. After taking 100 mg I am back to normal within 30 minutes... I dont take them to get high, i only take them so I am not sore. Will i need to increase the dose as time goes by or will I be able to keep it at 6 per day?
Godbless
I tried to tapper down but could not handle the withdrawl syptoms (symptoms) so I went into a detox center. I was given suboxone for a period of five days. I got very sick in detox.
I am tramadol free for around 7 weeks now and I am still going crazy! Tramadol addiction is horrible. I go to AA meetings daily and I am stil finding it very difficult.
I do not recomend that anyone ever take tramadol.
How can I get this effn Sh** out of me!? I want my life back!
I hate the online ads that allow you to buy it and I hate the Army docs who keep giving it to me even though I have begged them not to. However, when its there and free why not take it I say.. Or use to!!!!!!
I am honestly feeling so depressed I want to end my life! I know it's not worth it, but damn I am so sick and tired of being sick and tired!
PLEASE GOD PLEASE DON'T LET ANOTHER HUSBAND LEAVE ME. I LOVE YOU MY HUSBAND! I DON'T WANTTO BE SICK!
Bonnie.
Support these people don't condem
I am trying the Thomas Recipe and it seems to help...its not like I feel well but it helps. I have not had the luxury of not working during this and THAT is a b*tch. Its a lot of fun to feel this way and have to prepare a 2 hour presentation to present t a group of people.
FYI a week ago thursday I took 20 tramadol, friday 4 the none since. I have been eating tramadol for 4 years and I AM NOT LOVING THIS
Thanks
J
I am using the Thomas Recipe but I can't really say how much it helps but I know that I need vitamin and mineral supplements so it can't hurt.
NOW the main thing I found is clonazepam. And this scares me. I will go a couple days without it and sleep only a little then I'll take 0.5mg in the evening and sleep through the night and for almost the entire next day I feel fine. BUT Clonazepam is an addictive benzodiazepine SHOULD NOT BE USED DAILY OR LONG TERM. .
Well thats my story so far...
I took days off on the Sabbath or other days and took low days...
quit for a week or a few days every so often...
and then from the days before Passover until Easter quit in 2007...
it was rough but after a week I had no craving for tramadol WHATSOEVER...
the thought of Tramadol made me sick...
but I started taking it again because God told me to and said its theraputic and not a problem...("desire...especially that you may prophecize" 1 Corinthians 14:1)
its evil thoughts that come out of your body that make you impure not things you put in them...
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and to Robspierre and everyone having a much harder time quitting:
(I have a degree in this field and did research and your doctors should know this below too)
you fried your brain circuits and they are weak from never doing any work on their own...
Tramadol has done all the work for your pain circuits...
give them days of 0 mg frequently so your circuits can get stronger gradually...
you can't bench 400 overnight...
just get your brain circuits to start doing their own work again MORE AND MORE
Jesus IS THE Lord
"bench 400" means lift 400 pounds in a "bench press"...
its strong...
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also:
side notes to above post:
1.) do not exceed dosage prescribed ever (your circuits get damaged up worse and weaker and take longer to heal and get strong)
2.) make sure you take days off and low days (make your brain do work and don't depend on Tramadol ALL the time)
3.) get your pain circuits strong again
I take a total of 300 mg daily, and try now and again to decrease my dose but my pain is too severe. I have no symptoms of withdrawal at these times.
I've recently started alternating between Tramadol and a codeine & paracetamol pain killer in an attempt to lower my dose of Tramadol, thinking perhaps my body has adjusted to the 'high' dose of Tramadol I now take. It's worked in the past.
To help you avoid 'addiction' I might suggest your doctors not prescribe more than around 300 mg daily, give you a month worth of tablets, and refuse to refill prescriptions early for those of you who can't control yourselves. It's how it's done here in Sweden and I know many chronic pain patients who take Tramadol without any sort of addiction - we can't get 'addicted', as our meds are closely controlled.
Sounds harsh, but there you have it. I firmly believe 'addiction' to Tramadol is psychological - that you keep upping your dose without physical reason for it - and you wind up on such a high dose that your body goes through withdrawals - as it does from any overdone substance.
There's no need to be afraid of Tramadol - not if you take it as directed and only for as long as you need it.
Good luck to you and we sincerely hope you never have to experience the physical withdrawal symptoms of deleting Tramadol from your daily routine and the pain it produces. Wings110
I started taking Tramadol about a month and a half ago for a broken ankle, because I wasn't sleeping well while on Vicodin. 50-100 mg every six hours as needed is the prescription. I only took 100 mg with dinner a few hours before bed (if I even remembered...I'm terrible about remembering to take meds) for the first month, and then two weeks ago I had a really bad pain day and took the full dosage as recommended. I slept better than I had in years, woke up actually feeling rested, could concentrate on my freelance work with clear focus and stay motivated, years of depression were lifted...etc. etc. etc. So I started taking the full regiment, and even my extremely bad case of rosacea acne began clearing up! A miracle drug at last!!!
And then a week later I started getting low on pills, and my pharmacy couldn't refill my prescription for another week, so I decreased my dosage back to "as needed." Unbelievably I had some of the same withdrawal symptoms I've read about in this thread!!! After only a week of using the full recommended dosage (400 mg per day)!!! The first day without Tramadol was fine, but the next day and a half I slept on and off for 28 hours. As a chronic insomniac, I don't even sleep that much when I'm sick. What kind of a drug does that to someone after only a week??? One that is too good to be true.
Thank you to everyone who shared their stories in this thread over the years. Now I know what I could possibly be getting myself into with this drug and that I need to be extremely careful while I'm on it. The scary thing for me about this drug is that it's made me feel human for the first time in many, many years, so I think I'm going try the amino acids recommended in GoingToMakeIt's journal to get my energy levels up, and I hopefully don't feel the need for the full dosage of Tramadol. Maybe that will help me prevent a possible addiction on down the line.
Now I'm screwed - I can't function without it - the depression is crazy when I try to cut back - and it still keeps the pain at bay. I know I take it because I like the way it feels - the extra I take through the day has nothing to do with pain. I have started to order online (not easy to do when you are from Canada) to top up my script.
I can't give it up due to the pain - but can't keep to the prescribed amount.
I feel like I am in a no win situation
Next w/d lasts4-5 days and sometimes longer but each day does get better and the reason tramadol is so bad is it acts like an opiate and an antidepressant both. If you are 36-60 hrs into c/t you are almost through the worst of it.
I promise it does get better. I went c/t 12 days ago with no other option available it is not fun but doable. However I would suggest you read learn and then make an informed decision best suited for you.
Good luck to all and God bless.
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I take an average of 100 mg tramadol a day altogether.
I say an 'average' because I have figured out ways to regulate and work this best over a work week.
Monday I will take two. First as i start work and second tablet around lunchtime.
That gets me through the pain and when Im home (about time its wearing off) I just rely on rest and baths etc.
Tuesday might be 2 and a half pill at end of work day.
Wed 2 pills at work but one at end of work day.
Thursday 2 and then half pill at end of work day.
Friday 2 pills through work day.
Saturday.. I take just one in afternoon.
Sunday - zero. just load on rest and relaxation and baths etc.
Ok,
So what I find is that by the next Monday those two pills are just as effective as the last week.
I don't need any more than those 2 pills to get the same effect.
That assures me Im not getting addicted in the sense where you start needing more and more to get the same effect as before.
Now,
I do want to add something already mentioned by one of the Scandinavians here but I agreed with my Doctor to get one month prescriptions of 60 pills.
And like in Sweden we have the rule that if you run out you cannot refill until that month is finished.
Now Im not good at math but all I know is that I end up with 2-3 days with no tramadol... not to mention there always seems to be some delay with pharmacist or booking appointments so it might be 5-6 days.
Well this is good because then I take a break for that week. I definitely notice the pain shooting back so I try and time it for a weekend and compensate with good old advil liquigels.
Honestly,
I really don't have any withdrawals of any significance like Im hearing on the boards here but if I know I'm looking at 6 days without, I try and taper out those last 3 or 4 pills.
1 a day for 4 days instead of 2 a day then sudden stoppage.
Anyways,
I think the point here is that by mixing it up and taking more on the worst days but less or none if you don't totally need it for pain relief then you can keep it from addiction.
I did notice when I was in my first or second month I was just taking 3-4 a day no matter what day or when or whether I was in major pain or having a relatively pain free day and yes.. it did seem like I had to take more and more just to get the same effect.
My heart really goes out to those who got into that heavy addiction phase.
I hope my experience and my sliding scale approach helps anyone who is not yet addicted and wants to keep it that way.
btw... I remember I had to come off a drug once before (not tramadol) and also saw so many 'horror stories' of withdrawals.
I went for the 'whittle down' approach.. literally 'nibbling off' percentages of the tablets over a long period of time.. about 3 months in total and I don't even remember any withdrawal symptoms (not counting what my mind was attributing to it but was really just me having a bad day anyways heh).
So yeah, that really does seem to be the best way I know of anyways.
Even if you have to chisel off a tiny corner of the tablet so its 97% and then the next day take 95% of a pill and so on.. over 5-6 months or a year even.
To all the people who have tried to wean themselves from tramadol I think it's useless. The only way to go is to just do it 100%. Cold turkey is really tough though so I recommend medical detox where they DO NOT put you on suboxone. That is ridiculous and just trades one addictive substance for another. Go to a detox where they give you clonodine for the blood pressure, and possibly a low dose of phenobarbital for a couple of days for anxiety and sleep, or maybe some trazadone which is non addictive, but day 5 you should be off of the pills altogether. I took 25+ tramadols per day for several years. I had 4 seizures went to the hospital in the ambulance 3 times etc... so I know exactly what you're all talking about and going through. I went through medical detox. Day 2-4 were toughest. Day 5-7 better and day 8-30 just got better and better. Sleep was a little hard for the first couple of weeks but it gets a lot better. I'm now 8 months off tramadol and feel good. I go to AA and have a sponsor and don't use no matter what. The longer you go without, the easier it gets. And if you use just one pill you start all over again at square one which *****. Good luck and God speed to you all.
-J.
Clear
Clear
Tram is another story - prescribed by my Dr as a non addictive alternative 3 -4 years ago - I am up to 2 - 200mg, and about 8 - 12 50 mgs per day - to be honest, the only time I pay attention is when I am running low. I no longer crush or chew them - but need to figure out how much I take - where to start the taper. I also want to do it slowly - the withdrawal from tram is worse than any I have experienced - I would take ct from oxy any day!
I have posted that I am ready to do this before - but this time I need to get free from this - my Dr prescribes pretty freely, but I still have to do the internet order - I am tired of waiting for the fed ex man, and trying to explain where the money is going.
My fist step was to stop the crushing - now I will have to figure out an amount I can tolerate to start my taper at - maybe doing it with someone will keep me going.
Thanks again Craig
Then I went to a ne gastroenterologist. She said afdter I asked about the Tramadol again, that m ayb the constipation from the Tramadol was causing the gut pain. So I tried to stop. It was hell-all the symptoms prescribed above.
I am from a conservative professional background with no prior exposure to drugs so did not recognise withrawal symptoms for what they were--although neither did any of my Drs. Now I KNOW that the abdo pain was CAUSED by the Tramadol--so please consider this.
I have convinced my GP of the addiction--she has been prescribing me Tramadol for 3 years. I have tapered slowly to 3 a day 1 pill at a time over 12 weeks and withdrwal has been hell every taper. But I can't get lower than 3 a day. So tomorrow I go to a residential detox centere--very embarassing.
While I am there I am going to write about this nightmare drug and try and find a publisher so everyone can know about what it does to people and also talk to a lawyer. Everyone should do this. It is important that we go public to save other people and to let Drs know that the pharmaceutical company is lying about its non addicitveness.
Clear
Thanks.
- grc2003
Tramadol is a drug that should be tapered down from then quit. Others have done a CT but a high risk for seizures does remain.
-Vic
Do not use this drug. It is highly addictive and there are more effective painkillers available for headache which are not addictive.
During withdrawal I got a bad migraine which is unusual for me so be aware that these can cause headaches.
I was taking 150 a day when i went in which I had tapered myself from 800. You will need to taper slowly to get off if you want to do so, to be safe. Have something else on standby for the headachr if you need to.
Tramadol should not be taken with alcohol-- the Prescribing information is very clear about this. If you can get into a withdrawl programme I would recommend it. The support of loved ones has been very important. Stay strong, tramadol withdrawal is tough.
Ps. becareful with this drug it will sneek up behind you and bite you in the azz
p.s. The directions say that anything over 400mg. is not recommended and anyone with a low seizure tolerance should NOT take even one. Once you have had a seizure, you have a low tolerance for the rest of your life. Anyone taking dosages over 400mg. should look for other symptoms than the grand mal seizure, which is the only commonly known one. There are many others like the poster above mentioning of the tongue. Another one is the arm raising by itself. These things might seem small and only last a minute or seconds but they are seizures nevertheless and should not be ignored and they are being caused by Tramadol.
It is different from opiates in that it is longer lasting, which can mean that the use does not escalate as quickly. Over a month or so 2-4 a day can double. You get a little tired in the PM, another couple tram will pick you up. Need an extra lift for that home or work project? A couple more make it go much more smoothly
After a few weeks, you could find yourself in the face of a full blown addiction. I've heard of worse, personally I tried to limit it to 300 mg daily, sometimes as much as 400, thinking that would limit withdrawal.
Problem is, the effects are subtle, a slight mood lift, an energy boost, but nothing like a rush. You don't think anything is happening-until you quit. Get ready for a horrible energy crash that will make you wish you never started. Because tramadol takes longer to leave the body, the withdrawal is, as far as I can tell anywhere from 3 to 14 days to return to a level of feeling normal.
You ever lay in bed tossing and turning every minute because you can't get comfortable? That's what sleep is like for the first couple of nights. If you can't sleep, the rest of your life is going to suck as well. In addition to sleeplessness, excessive runny stools are possible for a few days as well.
If your job entails any mental concentration whatsoever, you can forget about work for up to a week, you're going to have to take a vacation to quit this habit. Depression, moodiness, and crying jags are a possibility for several days, up to a week or more depending on how long you've been taking it.
It is possible to endure the detox on your own, you can do it if you really want to break the addiction. I don't know how heroin users can kick the habit, that sounds so much worse, this seems bad enough to me.
Thanks.
This is a very old thread why dont you copy our post and start a new thread ?
avis :)
The only way I've successfully gotten off anything was to force myself to wean, and be glad when I said this is the last one.
gf
I had a friend who became very addicted to these (psychologically) and had several seizures, 2 of which were while driving and caused 1 major accident. He also had major chemical burns from a seizure that happened at work. Do not abuse this drug.
I stopped Tramadol & Prednisone cold turkey last thursday I'd been on Tramadol for 8 yrs. needed to stop b/c I am addicted and let me tell you withdrawal is not easy. Currently I'm having breathing problems and my heart feels as if it is going to bust right out of my chest. Friday night was the worst(have'nt slept since then)I was vomiting had diarriaha,shaking,sweating, hallucinations,heavy breathing and chest pain.I went to the doctor Monday and told her what I had done and she got upset and immediately called the ambulance.I drove to the doctor so I let give me a breathing treatment and refused to go to the hospital because she told when I go to the hospital they were going to put me back on the tramadol and prednisone I really do not what to do that so I stayed home until today because I feel alot better the withdrawal symptoms they are'nt that bad anymore the only thing is that I'm still having trouble with my breathing and that I can't sleep. My husband works nights and should be on his way home now and when he gets here we're going to hospital. Anyway,I need advice about any alternatives to taking
tramadol b/c I have Lupus and still need something for the pain.If anyone knows of one please let me know I am very desparate and DO NOT want to go back on Tramadol.I was also ordering on the internet when I couldn't get a refill, I went to different pharmacies when one wouldn't refill b/c insurance said too soon to refill I did whatever I had to do in order to to get that drug nothing else matter. I'm on 7 other medications for my lupus and High blood pressure but I didn't take them b/c the only thing that mattered was the Tramadol.I was taking an average of 1000mg A DAY!!! I need help even though I'm not in any pain I'm still want the Tramadol anyway.If ANYONE has any advice it will be greatly appreciated. Hopefully they won't keep me in the hospital but if they do as soon as I get out I will let everyone now what happened. But my main reason for writing was to ask if anyone knew of an alternative for this medication b/c I really don't want to go back on it. Hopefully when I tell them that I'm addicted they won't put me back on it. Well,God Bless and I hope to get a response soon.
Thank you in advance,
LUPUS_SUX
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With this said i am wondering if i am still experienceing with drawls. ever day i think tomarow will be a better day, and it never is. Im on day number 13 of taking nothing at all except for 1 aleve and 1 vitamin. i am thinking the cigerettes are playing a big role in slowing my detox down. yesterday i didnt smoke the whole day and i wasnt as tired but still have restless back.
i never though i would make it this far in recovery because the pain was so bad and still is at times, but i just keep telling my self if i take 1 tram it will set me back a lot with my recovery . does any body have any advice or words of wisdom.
thank you steve
im drinking alot of water taking alot of ***** and excersising (sweating). If i dont get better within the next 3 weeks i am deffenettly going to go see a doctor
are yu taking any vitamins?im not going thru withdrawals from tram but ive been on over 500 mg of oxy a day, well over 20 percs a day, phent patches,demural and vic!and im doing great! funny thing is i took sum ultram to help me get away from any withdrawals from those prescribed meds above!!and i went thru NO w/withdrawals from tram! i guess it shows if we take more of what were suppose to we can get addicted to anything and then we suffer the crappy consequences! one thing i found funny was, THE MORE SWEET TEA I DRANK the faster the stuff came out of my system! tea is a natural dietary which means in english for us that it causes you to pee ALOT during the day which in long run will help get some of that stuff out..
this isnt a plan just a thought!
good luck hun!
I feel the only way to get off tramadol is to stop taking it and cold turkey and remember that you will get through it. What no one tells you is that taking tramadol for pain can actually increase your pain as the body begins to crave the drug. Once your body begins to crave the drug the symptoms are being full of pain! However you as the patient think it is your diagnosis which is giving you the pain. Hence the vicious circle begins. In my opinion this drug should be banned.
Before stopping you should tell your GP what you intend to do and where possible steer clear of taking anything else which is addictive to releive the withdrawals. Cold turkey is terrible but is the quickest way to get all of the **** out of your system. Once stopping you can expect to feel depression, anxiety, outbursts of crying, intense muscle pain and stiffness all over your body, feeling intensly hot then freezing, dripping with cold sweat, difficulty breathing, jolting body/involuntary movements, headaches, sickness vomiting and the trots and difficulty sleeping to say the least. But in my experience after four days things begin to improve and you begin to take ownership of your mind and body again. To help with the withdrawals drink grapefruit juice as this helps to get toxins out of the body, vitamin and mineral supplements or a vitamin tonic, an antehistamine (drowsy) taken at night will also keep your sinuses clear, drink plenty of fluids and have warm baths and eat healthy. Ibuprofen also help with the muscle aches/fever and have a large cup of coffee in the morning as it helps with the lethargy and kicks your brain into touch again and will help you short term. A hot water bottle will also help with your restless legs. As will exercise be it a short walk once you feel able to get dressed! Remember throughout IT WILL END. Dont become a slave to the drug. Also get urself some good friends to visit u whilst ur going through your detox as you will need someone to talk through with you how you are feeling and to pull you out of your big black hole. xx
Nancy
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are taking 10 20 pills a day wht the hell are you thinking.if you are taking this drug and you think you are having a problem with it get off of it.taking more and abusing it will just
make it harder to get off of it.opiate withdrawl is very painful and the only way out is going through it.there are no magic remedies to fix it.methadone,suboxone which are used for treating opiate addiction are addictive.you need to slowly cut back until you can quit,it will be painful but can be done