ULTRAM ER / TRAMADOL

[lovemypillhead]

HI TO ALL OF U INFORMATIVES!!!!  I LOVE U ALL!!!

QUESTION TIME!!

SO, IN ORDER FOR MY BF TO TRY AND GET OFF OC'S ETC.....HE IS TAKING TRAMADOL AND SOMETHING CALLED ULTRAM ER (EXTENDED RELEASE).  DOES THAT SEEM RIGHT? AND, HE SAID THE ULTRAM ER HAS A COATING AROUND IT MAKING IT "TIME RELEASED"...THAT'S JUST LIKE OXY, RIGHT? THE ULTRAM ER IS 100MG.  DO ANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS?  AND, SINCE HE WOULD TAKEN THE COATING OFF THE OXY AND SNORT IT, COULDNT HE DO THE SAME WITH THIS ?  WOULD HE GET HIGH FROM IT?  HE SAID THERE ISNT A NARCOTIC IN IN.  OR LIKE AN OPIOATE.  BUT I SEE ON HERE  PEOPLE ADDICTED TO IT AS A PAIN RELIEVER?  

SO YEAH I GUESS I NEED TO KNOW..........................CAN HE SNORT AND GET HIGH OFF TRAMADOL.
CAN HE TAKE THE COATING OFF THE ULTRAM, CRUSH IT AND ALSO SNORT IT AND GET HIGH?

I HAVE TO KNOW SO I CAN KEEP AN EYE ON THINGS. IF HE IS USING THESE PILLS TO GET OFF THE OTHERS THAN OK.  I JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE.

[avisg]

Yes tram is addicting ,yes many people get a high ,it my DOC and withdrawing from it is VERY bad .Its not something that sound be taken by someone addicted to other pills .Yes you can do everything you mentioned with tram just like with oxys

[worried878]

Tramadol and Ultram are the same drug...and yes..seeing more and more people addicted to this drug...it is not going to replace the oxy but is addicting in its own way...and can be even worse to come off of than oxy.....i would hold the pills for him so it does not get out of hand

[avisg]

Worried made a good suggestion can you hold his pills for him

[liscamdave]

Sweetie, your man doesn't know jack about drugs. I am sorry. But he is again, opening up a can a worms with that combo. He needs help and an addiction counselor to guide him through this.

I asked you on the other post, how is he paying for this plethera of meds....how does he afford the oxy.

[lovemypillhead]

he just pays for them on the streets.....yes expensive...i know.

[lovemypillhead]

ok but then how come doctor's act like it is ok to pass out.  shoot, they are always trying to give me that and vicodin.  whereas, oxy---that is a big no no around here.

matter of fact, a bunch of people told me that there is nothing in ultram/tramadol that can give u that "high" feeling like there is in oxy, percocet, etc.??

ur telling me that u have actually gotten high from them?  snorting them>?

[lovemypillhead]

yes i can hold the pills.  they are mine from my doc for my tmj, etc.  that's what worries me............like would he try and get them and snort em and get high like he does from oxys.

i guess that's my question---do u get high snorting an ultram er / tramadol?

[nursegirl6572]

I responded on your other thread.  Ultram is as close to actually BEING a narcotic without actually being "classified" as one (which may possibly change with all of the people who ended up with major issues).

It binds to the same receptors that opiates do, so it can cause a sense of euphoria, like oxy's, hydro's (Vicodin)....etc.

Basically, your BF is putting anything he can get his hands on up his nose...and the main concern for ME would be that he is going to mix the wrong things together...and end up OD'ing.

PLUS...he is trying to tell you that Ultram is safe to take...well then...where did HE get it, if he doesn't go to a doctor?  Drug suppliers on the streets don't sell plain tylenol ya know.  They sell drugs that people seek for a high.  Maybe if you remind him of that....he'll realize he is misinformed about the drug (which I doubt...I think he is trying to keep YOU from freaking)

It's a tough situation, I really feel for you...he is just out of control.  I wish you could get him into a treatment program.

[nursegirl6572]

Ahhhhh...just read your last post that the Ultrams were yours.....disregard that part of my post then.

[Ready2liveagain]

I am currently addicted to Ultram/Tramadol

It is an absolutely horrendous withdrawal that is comparable to heroin withdrawal.  I hate it and it is probably the scariest thing in the world to anticipate withdrawing from them and yet I find myself back at this crossroads.  I want to successfully get off without having to go cold turkey but honestly that just isnt possible for an intentional pill addict like me.  I have to have someone hold my pills and lucky me, i am addicted to something i can get on the internet anytime i want =(.  I halfed my dose recently and these withdrawals Im getting now are bad enough, if i have to experience the full thing I will probably be inclined to do something drastic.  What is crazy is that I know it only lasts a week or two and is worse at the two-five day mark but it still absolutely grips me and controls me, the fear.  SO, i guess in short do you want to know what tramadol can do?  It doesnt give you the head high that a lot of standard pain pills will but it gives you energy, improves your mood etc.  Its like taking a pain pill, a depression medication and a stimulant in one for me.  IT IS HORRIBLE to come off.  that is my reality

[enemy48]

I'm coping & pasting something I wrote on your other question that seems to be going further and further down.  

As follows:

I have to ask this, because you told me that while you were pregnant you worked 4 jobs to pay $400 a month for his sub.

Okay, that is a lot of money that YOU put out for him.

But who has been putting out the money for HIS oxy?  

Isn't OXY ridiculously expensive?  With all he did, didn't his habit add up to that?  

So why couldt HE afford to pay for oxy and not sub?  Why would he have his girlfriend bust a$$ while she's pregnant working so many jobs?

Now I ask you this?  Who was buying the sub?  Did you give him the $400, and do you know that sub was purchased with this?

I'm sorry, I don't mean to upset you.  But as a drug addict, I know a lot of tricks.

I really feel like we need explaination of this.

[empathy323]

I would like to know that too.  If he can afford all the pills he wants everyday why can't he afford something that will actually help instead of hurt him.  Maybe you are enabling him too much.

[avisg]

PLZ try to keep things on one thread this question is the same as the other and people had already answered it .

[Coolio Hernendez]

I hate to say it....but i'm just like your BF and i can tell you...You really want to check out what he tells you.....I would lie to my wife so much i almost believed it....

[ali3674]

OK, Time to give you a hard dose of reality.. The way you describe the combinations of meds he is taking, snorting them, crushing them, peeling them, swallowing them, etc, it sounds like he is headed for BIG trouble. He is making excuses for himself constantly.  And you are helping him........giving him your meds?  Ultram and tramadol are the same med.  Ur boyfriend will tell you anything and everything you want to hear because he is an addict, and the fact that you are feeding into this mess, tells me that there are deeper issues here.  The best thing to do is see an addiction counselor ASAP.

[lovemypillhead]

ok let me explain.........

first of all----before i was pregnant and he was addicted to pills, he worked and bought them. when i was pregnant, he worked, as well as i did.  The suboxone was $400 A WEEK!!!  Not a month.  it was that much a week.  i know for a fact he bought the suboxone and went to treatment because i took him, gave him the the pills, went to the pharmacy, met with the counselors...all that ****.  so i know he did what he was suppose to do.  like i said, he worked too.

after i had my baby, he quit working because i couldnt afford daycare (and the suboxone only lasted a bit because we could not afford $400 a week...)  so with the cost of day care, i cant afford that.  so, my son is with him during the day.......................i pay for the oxy's, vicodin, percocets, etc....because i have always believed that his stomach was so bad that he had to have them because of the pain.  

i do believe he has pain. like i said before, when he was born, part of his stomach wasnt devceloped etc....

so, i have always been ok with him needing pills so he isnt in daily pain.
im not ok with him taking pills to get high.

this all got outta control.  i suspected him of snorting them which made me think he was doing it to get high.   im not goingto be with someone who wants to get high like that.  or LIE to me about "stomach pains" so i get him pills.....

if he is truly in pain, that was one thing. and if he took 2 vic's to help him, cool.

but, if he is snorting effing 80 or more mg of oxy a day...then no.  so i was wanting to know "signs" of snorting.

people may think i am a bad person because i bought the sh*t  for him and maybe i am.  maybe i am the problem. maybe it is my fault. but, i thought he was in pain so i thought i would help him.  plus, dumb me never even heard of an oxy before.  i had no idea how bad these were.  i knew he had an addiction before..............so i was always "careful" and watchful.  and, as soon as i started wondering if he was getting addicted or snorting-----i wised up and got on this site.

[lovemypillhead]

because when he gets money..................and he is in withdrawl..............he doesnt think to himself

"Hmmm,  i have $200......now, i can wait 2 weeks to get help (because that's how it is around here)  OR i can call so and so and get some pills and be out of my  misery."


when he gets money....he gets pills.  there is a wait list where we live.  it is stupid.

[lovemypillhead]

im not trying to be mean but some of u here are kinda irritating.....first of all....it is great to say what i should or shouldnt do.........i can sit here and tell U all that i am not an addict.  so, do i point fingers at u all saying u shouldnt have taken pills?  u shouldnt have gotten addicted?  whats wrong with you to wanna do drugs, etc etc etc.  but i dont.  because  i understand that everyone here is different.  that everyone's body is different. that everyone's chemisty and brain is different.  that everyone was raised differently.  just because im not addicted to pills doesnt mean that u arent.  or joe blow isnt.  i was raised not be be.  that doesnt make me better than anyone. it makes me raised differently.

on that note..........u all act like im some big supplier to him.  read everthing from the go.  I WAS LED TO BELIEVE HE WAS IN SERIOUS PAIN DUE TO AN UNDER DEVELOPED STOMACH SITUATIOB HE WAS BORN WITH  PER HIM AND HIS MOM AND SO ON.  I helped, or as u all like to say, "enabled" him....to pain pills because i love him and hated seeing him curled up in a ball, crying, in pain..........with no insurance.  so sh*tty me.,,,,,,horroible me .....i helped pay for pills thinking i was helping his pain.  I DIDNT REALIZE IT WAS OUT OF CONTROL UNTIL IT WAS OUT OF CONTROL.................I DIDNT MESS WITH PILLS.  u all have no idea the amount of fights we have had about this.  how many times i have effing cried that things got like that.  

u know what it isnt worth me typing now.  im irritated.  u all act like im this horrible person. i thought i was helping him with his stomach pains.  i didnt realize i was creating an effin addict until  it was too late.

[Coolio Hernendez]

Aww that *****.... I know the hassel your bf is going thru......I have a chronic condition as-well. I used my condition to work over my wife. Thats hard for me to say , but it's true..

I think its awesome that you got his back....Just becareful b/c addicts (like me) will take advantage of that.

[lovemypillhead]

AND ONE MORE THING.....

someone on here made comment to me (above) not to post the same question on multiple forums because the question is, basically, getting answered elsewhere....

why does it matter?  if i have a question and post it on 1,852 boards and get different suggestions, answers, comments, etc., isn't that the point?  

sorry but i thought the point of these boards was to get info, ask questions, see what other people are going thru.

[lovemypillhead]

ur very helpful and informative.

and i like the comment about buying tylenol on the street.  haha.  that's funny.

[lovemypillhead]

thank u.  i will always have his back.  im not gonna be attacked on here and be called an enabler.....or whatever.  i did what i thought was right. u know?  i thought i was helping.  and yeah, now i know his stomach hurts and he uses that to his advantage to get what he wants.   my thing is this:  if a doctor wrote a prescription to me, let's say, for back pain for oxy's..........and if the rx said "take 1-2 tablets, snorting/by nose, every 6-8 hours as needed for pain"    then i guess id be cool with him snorting this s*it.  but, we all know doc's dont write scripts like that. obviously, if u snort them, u are wanting to get some type of high.............................

and thats not cool with me.  im not gonna pay for him to get high. we had even talked about getting married so he could get on my insurance and then legally get pills to help him...and get it fixed ( he has to have surgery ) but we never did and i dont wanna get married anyways until he is better (pill wise).

thanks for the support. i vented. i feel better now :)  
what is ur chronic pain situation?

[LB5060]

Ignore the ignorant people. Some people are on here for the worng reasons so don't let them get you down!

I tried to get a high off Ultram/Tramadol (basically the same thing) and was never able to....and I tried pretty darn hard too....LOL!  I preferred opiates and  the Ultram did not do a thing for me. I was surprised when reading in this forum that people can get addicted to them so obviously they can but I think those people probably started out on those first. To a serious opiate user they are like taking a baby aspirin. Everyone is different and I agree with those people that tell you to hold them for your boyfriend and encourage him to seek a professional help. He is lucky to have someone like you that is willing to stick by him and help you out. Keep it up because with lots of support he can kick these addictions....I am living proof of thaqt. I had a SERIOUS addiction and was spending over $1500 a month on pills. I am on Suboxone and they have changed my life. My insurance pays for mine so I only pay a co-pay but I would find a way to come up with the money even if my insurance would not have paid for it. If an addict can find a way to pay for the opiates then he/she needs to look at the cost of Sub. as a small price to pay for recovery and an investment in their future.
Do not blame yourself for your boyfriend's problem. Some people can become addicted so quickly and if he was wanting to get high he was going to find a way, with or without your pills!

[enemy48]

Okay, now things are more clear.  Sorry, I thought it was $400 a month, but $400 a week?.....OMG!  That's outrageous!!!!!!!!

Maybe you can do some google searches on what kind of troubles a person will have later in life if the stomach wasn't fully developed at birth.

I may even do that to kill time later in the night.  (I'm nocturnal)

A lot of babies are born w/organs not fully developed at birth and survive w/no complications later in life........but I'm not a nurse!  So just wondering.

It seems as though a lot of us upset you.  You're already going through enough and really, it's not intended.  Sometimes it's hard to write the truth (addicts w/knowledge) without it sounding harsh to someone that isn't an addict.

I realize you came here for answers, and a lot of people do & we welcome all of you.  We can all give you our opinions, knowledge etc., but don't forget...we're all different w/different personalities.  And we love each other!

Best Wishes,
Pamela

[Soon2BMrsTurner]

Hey Sweetie,

I had told you some of my story last night and I am having to taper off ultram and I wasnt taking to many I have just been on them so long and my doctor feels that to be safe it will take 4 months to get off them. When I was put on them I was told they were harmless and that it was ok to take them because they were not a narcotic. I have found them harder than anything else to get off of. I have heard of people using them to get off other things but remember that they can be more tough than most opiates. If you can hold them that would be great give him what he needs but at the same time you know he isnt taking them all to get a high.
I know that you understand that he needs treatment but sometimes we cant do those things and I totally understand that.
You are trying to help him and I know that I have been there with an ex only it was Harder drugs. I would say that the ultram is opening a whole new bag that is going to be really bad to come out of but he is going to do what he is going to do and all you can do is help him and all we can do is help you =)

[HOYCOWS]

cant you just answer questions without feeling the need to be a detective? you are here to be supportive not beat the girl up because her story doesnt make sense to you. you make this forum seem like a cult! "we love each other." lol... that was your statement. come on just help the girl out, dont read threads just to dig for dirt

[Soon2BMrsTurner]

My husband was born with that problem and they did surgery at birth and the only problems he has now is things that he eats he has to watch out for foods with alot of acid and so on =) Call an Internest they can help and get to the bottom of it if the pain is really that bad he might have to have something

[nursegirl6572]

First of all...try to relax.....remember, online it is very difficult to interpret "tone"....and sometimes people give it to you straight, without the sugar coating,  It STILL is advice given with the best intentions to help you.  Try not to get so defensive.  

*I* was the one who said about posting multiple threads.  I regret that you took that comment so personally...but in reality...it IS very difficult to keep things straight, when there is two ongoing convos about the same thing.  It was suggested so that you didn't miss out on valuable advice.  That was it...it wasn't some type of insult!

Now on to your situation....

Sub is VERY expensive, but $400 a week IS outrageous.  You need to shop around....find a list and call each and every doc on it...explain your situation, and see what is the best option for you.  You MAY indeed somehow find a doc who is willing to work with you financially.  Just don't limit yourself...it may require a longer drive.

Also...I feel for your BF's situation...and I'm SURE he has pain...HOWEVER that being said....regardless of how an "addiction" is started, the end result is the same.  And, he is clearly is the throws of a serious addiction at this point.  I know you love him and were trying to help him....but I guess I just don't understand why he couldn't have at least went to a doctor and had the pills Rx'ed, b/c maybe a doc could have given him MUCH better options if he would've went that route..  I know that he is uninsured...but certainly the money is going to be spent, whether on buying them off the streets, or paying a doctor. Well, I guess "shoulda", "coulda", "woulda" doesn't help at this point.

MOST docs, btw...offer pretty decent discount plans on visits, etc.  Is he at all eligible for any public assistance?  Did he ever look into that?  It may be worth a try.

I truly hope you are able to get him the help he needs, b/c I am truly concerned that he is just taking whatever he can get his hands on...prolly to hold off w/d's, which is understandable.  Sadly, though, that is how people end up OD'ing or worse.  We had a forum member (Anxiety and other forums) who a few months ago accidentally OD'ed while mixing a few different meds with alcohol just chasing some well needed sleep.  She died.  :0(  VERY sad and unfortunate.  I am NOT trying to frighten you....but I also don't want him to be pulling the wool over your eyes enough that something bad ends up happening.  Addicts lie.....especially b/c YOU are the one providing the money.  He doesn't do it intentionally to hurt you....it is just what it is.

Sooo...I hope this week you can research some Sub docs....maybe even look into some assistance for him....even get him to a regular doc?  THAT would be a great place to start.  Even if the doc is unable to Rx Sub...they may be able to help him...they have a lot ot resources they can make available to you.  Do YOU have a doctor of your own that perhaps you could speak with?

Lastly...PLEASE try not to take the words here so personally.  I didn't see anyone "attack" you or judge you.  The info you were giving was a little unclear, and like I said before...everyone has a different posting style...some are much more straightforward than others.  The message remains the same, though.  Once you start "getting your back up", so to speak...then you start reading into totally innocuous posts (ie...mine about the multiple threads).

Best of luck to you...I have all of my fingers and toes crossed for you both.

[Soon2BMrsTurner]

I had an idea.
You said you were buying them for him ? What about talking to him and telling him you arent going to buy them and save the money for a doctor? or the sub? I mean think about how much you are spending on pills and then think how fast you could have the money you need to actually fix the problem and stop putting bandaids on it =)

[Ryan1979]

I know some people amazingly aren't affected by Ultram, my wds from ultram where definitely worse than oxy/hydro.  The ultram/tramadol felt like opiate to a degree, but also put me in a great mood and the first "dose" of 4 50mg pills after anything more than a couple days without would keep me up at least 2 days.  

I was on vicodin 7.5/500 for about 3 months pre surgery and 20-40mg oxycontins+10/325 Norcos post surgery for around a year following complications,and although I definitely had pain, I loved the buzz and had enough to keep increasing the pills right along with my tolerance until I was taking 200+ mgs of Oxy and around 100mgs of hydro, (which on a side note felt incredible while it lasted especially after taking a drug holiday weekend by knocking myself out for a couple days with muscle relaxers) for when I decided to get off I had 4 days of feeling really nasty and then everyday got better and better, after two weeks I felt normal again.

The second time around, prior to surgery I voluntarily asked not to be put on narcotic pain meds until post surgery, and took only what I needed for a couple days post surgery.

After having continuing pain I asked for something stronger than motrin but non narcotic, and was given tramadol under the presumption that it was non habit forming.  I took it for about 3 weeks, and when I quit for a couple days felt like I got hit by a truck, but didn't attribute it to the tramadol as it was "non narcotic".  I refilled my prescription and noticed immediately after taking one I felt fine, I then knew just how non habit forming they are. The wds are different for me, with oxy/hydro I'm miserable and have the usual opiate wds, but with the trams I have the usual opiate wds, plus unreal anxiety, ultra depression, and what can be described as feeling like my entire belief system has been unraveled and nothing makes sense anymore, plus brain zaps, jerks, etc.  I am on day 23 off trams, although I used leftover oxys for the first 5 days, which wasn't enough to kill the tram withdrawals, only attenuate them some, and although I can function now, work, etc, I still feel like **** and have no interest in life at all.  Tramadol is a nasty drug for some people.

If he is going to ct, stick with the perc, vics, etc, the detox is so much shorter and although it *****, if he takes the trams long term it will probably be worse.  

Other than the aforementioned prescribed medications, I've never done illicit drugs and maybe drink alcohol 2-3 times a year for social events.  I'm military officer and have a flawless service record, but I trusted what the dr's said and prescribed without questioning them at all, and didn't realize how bad I was overdoing it until it was too late.  It doesn't matter how your raised, your position in society, etc, if you take the pills long enough you will have a dependence, and at some point after that it becomes a addiction.  I don't think too many of us here started out with the pain meds wanting a addiction, from what Ive read most of us started out having legitimate pain with with no intention of abusing the pills, and only realize too late that we have developed a problem

[lovemypillhead]

yeah!  a lot of foods bother his stomach............acid like foods....his parents should have taken care of this for him when he was a baby but they didnt....

and dont get me wrong-----im one to place blame where it needs to be placed.  and i totally blame him for this addiction getting out of control....im not sure how parents play a roll.....i know when his mom was prego with him she did coke, acid, drank, etc......so who knows?  maybe that hurt him?  maybe that predisposed him to addiction?  either way---i believe u have to take responsibility for your actions and at some point in life, we all know right from wrong.  my life and upbringing was so different than his.......and i use to be very judgemental of people that had problems that i didnt understand.....but i have changed my way.......

TO EVERYONE ON HERE:  im sorry if i snapped yesterday.  im so stressed out.  im a new mom................that alone is so changing for me.  i work about 55 hours a week to support me, my son and my bf  (he isnt a dead beat............he watches my son for me so i can work---day care too much money)..........im stressed out too because of this situation he allowed himself to get into. im pissed because i hate that i love him so much and want to help him and it is so hard for me to understand exactly how his addiction works....i go insane when he's in withdrawl because, at that time, i cant stand to be around him.......yet,  like last night...................he was amazing to me............and i know he was freaking high.  and i hate that.  i just hate it all.  i have no nerves left.  i want him ok. and normal. and balanced. and i want his stomach taken care of. and i know he wants to get married, regardless....... but i dont want to set myself up for divorce.....im very outspoken as well and defensive of people  i love and care about......so im sorry to u all as well..........................im just having a rough time right now with all of this. i appreciate ALL OF U helping me.............a girl on here called me....literally on the phone.................the other girl on here was or is willing to look stuff about abou tmy bf stomach condition, other people on here are trying to give me guidance, and others were defending me...................

i have never seen such kindness in strangers. ever.  

so again my apologies.....when im stressed, i take things too personal i guess.....plus lack of sleep.  too much work.  u all know the deal!

[lovemypillhead]

HEY!  IN REGARDS TO ME NOT GIVING HIM THE $ FOR THAT AND SAVING IT FOR SUB, ETC............

HONESTLY, I COULD.  BUT SEE.....HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS................WHEN HE IS OUT OF PILLS HE CLAIMS (AND I KNOW HE COULD BE LYING, EXAGGERATING, ETC) BUT HE CLAIMS HIS STOMACH HURTS SO BAD THAT HE SWEATS REALLY BAD AND CANT GET OUTTA BED AND ALL BUT CRIES........(SIMILAR SYMPTOMS TO WITHDRAWL, I KNOW)  BUT HE "SWEARS" HE ISNT GOING THRU WD.  HE SWEARS HE IS IN SEVERE PAIN AND CANNOT FUNCTION.  SO I ALWAYS END UP GIVING IN BECAUSE I FEEL BAD AND CANT TOLERATE HIM NOT GETTING OUTTA BED, IN PAIN, UNMOTIVATED, THROWING UP, ETC ETC ETC.  

AND I ALWAYS TELL MYSELF NO MORE...BUT THAT IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE.  

ALSO, SOME PEOPLE SUGGESTED HE GET PUBLIC HEALTHCARE (OR WHATEVER THAT IS )  IM LOOKING INTO IT BUT I THINK U HAVE TO BE ON WELFARE AND HE IS NOT.

AS FAR AS GOING TO AN ACTUAL DOC AND GETTING  A RX------HIS ONLY OPTION WAS TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL.  HE DID. THEY GAVE HIM VICODIN (WHICH, AT THE TIME HE DIDNT TAKE PILLLS SO HE THREW THEM OUT)  AND TOLD HIM TO GO T A GI DOCTOR.  BUT EVERY GI DOC AROUND HERE WANTS INSURANCE........OR MONEY.........AND CAN U IMAGINE HOW MUCH MONEY THAT WILL BE TO HAVE ALL THOSE TEST RAN WITH NO INSURANCE.

NOW. THERE IS A FREE CLINIC...............FOR THAT STUFF...........BUT HE WONT GO THERE BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID THE DOCS THERE ARE NOT GOOD DOCS....OR SOME ****.  LIKE THEY HAVE TO DO SCOPES ETC AND HE IS CONVINCED THEY ARE BAD DOCS BECAUSE HIS AUNT WENT THERE.....THEY MISDIAGNOSED HER.  HERE, SHE HAD MS. AND THEY SENT HER HOME SAYING NOTHING WSA WRONG.  BUT I TOLD HIM U CANT BASE IT ON ONE THING LIKE THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH.  

I DID TELL HIM LAST NIGHT THAT IM GIVING HIM A MONTH TO AT LEAST START CHECKING INTO THE FREE CLINIC AND OR PUBLIC HEALTHCARE OR CALL SUB DOCTORS.......

[nursegirl6572]

I know how hard this is for you...you love him so much and want what is best for him...and of course you don't want to see him suffering.  :0(

He may very well be a candidate for assistance...and unless it varies a ton by state...you don't have to be on welfare to get something like medicaid.  They will offer it to him if he is eligible, which of course would be a personal choice...it sounds like you could use the help!

Can he work at all?  Or, did you just decide to have him home with the baby instead?  Maybe he could get a PT job after you get home?  Daycares are outrageous, I know.  It's pointless to do it most of the time...b/c most of your paycheck goes to that.

As far as the free clinics go....I honestly don't think that the doctors there would be bad.  At LEAST maybe they could do some simple studies.

IMO...he needs to be seen by a GI doc as you said....perhaps just call around and find out if any of them offer a payment plan.  There is also something called carecredit (same webite address as the name) that offers basically like a line of credit, to be used at docs/dentists ONLY.  If you could apply for something like that...it may be a big help.  Check into it.

I know you are super stressed, but PLEASE make sure you are taking care of yourself as well.  You can't get yourself sick with worry, then you wont be any good to anyone.  He has to man up a bit here and start being proactive looking into things.  Give him a list of options...things to look into...and follow through with it.  You may have to play a bit of hard ball too....explain that you love him, but that you're not prepared to "love him to death".  I would be VERY surprised if when he needs the pills it isn't w/d's that are making him have the symptoms you explain.  Again...remember that addicts are sneaky and manipulative.  Not b/c they want to hurt you, but b/c they HAVE to be, especially if you are his money source.  The desperation he feels when w/d's kick in are bad....and at that point, addicts (not all of course, but a LOT) will lie, cheat and steal to get rid of that awful feeling.

I truly hope he starts taking the bull by the horns and starts trying to figure something out.  The burden of all of this shouldn't rest all on your shoulders.  

Thinking of you.....remember to try to have some "ME" time if you can...take care of yourself hon.

[enemy48]

Your comment to me was totally uncalled for. (and others...you wrote)

What you do not know is that before this post, we have PMed each other and I've been really helpful for her in the past & will be happy to continue explaining things to her from a addicts point of view.

In no way did she mind that I volunteered to look up information for her.  Read her post below and you'll see she says that.

Yes I did say we love each other here.  You disagree with that?  You wrote LOL!  Like that's a joke or something.  Who are you?  You haven't even been around us for a month yet.

[lovemypillhead]

I ASSUME U ARE A NURSE?  

BTW--IM NOT "YELLING" WHEN I TYPE IN CAPS.  IM AT WORK..........WE HAVE TO USE CAPS AND IT IS A PAIN TO SWITCH BACK AND FORTH SO PLS EXCUSE THAT.

SEE--I AGREE........I TELL HIM TOO THAT I BELIEVE HE IS IN WD.  NOW, I DO THINK HE HAS THE STOMACH ISSUES AS WELL.  BUT SEE--YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO HE DISCOVERED VICODINS, ETC AND STARTED TAKING THOSE TO HELP HIS PAIN.  FROM THE VIC HE WENT TO PERCOCET, DILAUDIDS, MORPHINE, OC'S, -- WHATEVER HE COULD.  AND, IM NOT TALKING POPPED 2 HERE AND THERE.  I MEAN, HE USE TO TAKE LIKE 40-45 VICODINS A DAY  PLUS OXY'S, ETC.  SO IM AFRAID WITH ALL THAT TYLENOL FROM THE VICS/PERCOCETS--WHAT IF HE HURT HIS LIVER OR KIDNEYS TOO.    

YEAH, I  HAVE CAUGHT HIM LYING TO ME ABOUT DUMB THINGS.  NEVER CHEATING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.  BUT JUST STUPID THINGS..................LIKE YESTERDAY  HE HAD SOME PILLS....AND WE WERE LEAVING THE HOUSE....I SAY "HEY U ARENT BRINGING THOSE ARE U"  HE SAID "NO."......BUT THEN WHEN WE GET HOME LATER I SEE HIM TAKE THEM OUTTA HIS POCKET.  AND IM LIKE WTF WHY WOULD U LIE ABOUT THAT.  LIKE THAT IS SO STUPID.  AND I KNOW I SHOULDNT CARE ABOUT THAT BUT TO ME-IF U LIE ABOUT THAT WHY WOULDNT U LIE ABOUT BIGGER STUFF.

AND LIKE I KNOW I ANNOY HIM TO HELL AND BACK. BUT I DONT CARE. I CANT HELP IT. I NAG AND NAG. I DRIVE MYSELF CRAZY BUT THERE IS NO TRUST IN THE PILL DEPT.