What do you think(subutex withdrwal)

Hi everyone I am back again. I've have been unsuccessfully trying to get off of these narcotics. I was completely sober for over 10years before. Becuase of medical issues I began taking pain pills several years ago. Then went on the suboxone program from h..ll. My last last attempt at getting clean was several months ago and I managed to stay off of the suboxone for 8 days but then cratered. The length of the withdrawal is hard to tolerate for me. So what I have done is switch to normal pain pills for the last few weeks. I have been taking Opana 10mg 4 to 5 per day. So what my GREAT idea is to use the suboxone for a very short withdrawal from the Opana. I have no idea if this will work.So my question ishow long should I take the suboxone for? If any of you guys have any ideas please let me know. I sure am tired of this merry go round.
Thanks  Red

[IBKleen]

Hi,

Well, glad you made in back. We cannot give you any sort of instructions on how to use the Suboxone, etc. It is a violation of our guidelines and I am sure you understand why.

I don't know if you are aware, but the Oprana is Morphine. That can be a little tricky. The Suboxone is not designed for a short-term detox and is dangerous to play around with unless you have a good solid aftercare program in place including counseling.

Not to be rude, but all of your great ideas (your words), have landed you right back here doing the same thing again. Maybe it is time to do it another way? From what you wrote you went on Sub to get off the pain pills, then pain pills to help with the sub withdrawal and now you want to go back on the Sub to help again with the pain med withdrawal. See the pattern?

I have to suggest that you seek help this go round with a doctor who can set you up properly with a program that helps with relapsing.

Keep posting and talking. Many members have different opinions. I hope you get the help you need and hope to see you stick around this time. Be good to yourself.

[avisg]

I agree with IBK .I think your best bet is to talk to a doctor so you can find the safest way to do this . Hang in there !!!!!

[HenryS354]

Welcome back bud!

You need to be really careful with the opana.... its actually oxymorphone... way stronger than morphine.  Its pretty tough stuff, and while the wd's will last shorter than sub, they are far more severe than sub wd's!  

Just some words of tough love, but if you couldnt handle sub wd's for more than 8 days, its highly unlikely that you are going to be able to handle opana wd's especially at the doses you are taking.  Are you taking Opana ER, or IR?

To start sub after opana for the wd's just wont work.  You will have to suffer the pains of wd no matter which way you go.  Think of it as a rite of passage!  The only painless way to get off our DOC is to go on a maintenance program, and I dont think you want to do that.

Just from an outside look, you need to want this... MORE than anything in the world.  Talk to a doc, think about going back on enough sub to hold your cravings at bay, and work a program... fix the things in your life that need fixing.  Our bodies will always go through wd, but in my own experience, wd's are far more easy when your brain is fully ready.

I tried to taper on suboxone over a year to .5mgs a day.... the wds were unbearable.  But, I truly believe that is because I was medicating my addiction and not fixing it.  I went back up to 8mgs and started working a program, got some counseling, went to meetings, developed a support structure.

I was so afraid of the wd's from .5mgs that I was fearing jumping off again.  But a little over a week ago, I had a thought come out of no where, and I said I'm ready... The next day I took my last dose of suboxone.  3mgs on 5/18/10  That puts me at day 7 in the wd process.

It hasnt been fun, but I have been able to shower everyday, clean up my house, get out and run errands, and even walk every evening.  Things I could have never done the last time I tapered.  My wd's are so mild, that I am an International Flight Attendant, and am scheduled to work a longhaul flight on Friday morning.  19hrs and 45 minutes to my destination, 17hrs at the hotel, and then 21hrs back.  Im terrified.... but I know I will make it through it... I HAVE to!

Good luck, and really take to heart the advice of the members here.  They are some great people.

HS

[redrodeo]

Hey you guys thanks. I am grapsing at straws. At my age I have been on and off for a long time. I know what freedom is like and I know a program can make the difference, Before this I was clean for 10 years. I just want my life back. For the last few years that I have been doing this nothing bad has happened but nothing good either I am in limbo. I am also in horrible denial. I am bsing myself. Lots of bad stuff has happened.  If anybody believes in a higher power please pray for me that I can see that this is a dead end road and the solution is simple but has a price.
Red
I am very depressed

[leeisgettingclean]

talking to your doctor is in your best interest here. Good luck, lee

[gnarly_1]

HI and welcome back I wish it was on better terms but at least you new where to turn for help....it has been sub week on this forum...there has been a lot of people trying to break free of the stuff...at best it seams to be a long withdrawal I had my own long withdrawal with methadone so my heart goes out to you....I agree with the obove posters get your dr involved if you can...I wouldn't mess with the sub again your better off to just withdrawal from the opana keep posting for support we all want to see you succeed good luck and God bless.....Gnarly...BTW I believe in God and will pray for you

[salsinator]

Hi Redrodeo - welcome back.  I would not recommend using suboxone if you have already had experience with methadone.  The withdrawal from suboxone is just as drawn out as methadone, there are some recent posts on here from people struggling with sub withdrawal and it is not nice - I went through it too.  Best advice is to listen to the other comments here - get with your doctor - Opana is a very strong opiate and may not be the best choice to taper from, talk with your doctor, work on a plan and most of call, keep posting.

[sway1]

i found a great doctor who is very up to date with all of this stuff on www.heretohelp.com. i was looking for one could prescribe suboxone so i could get off methadone. he is helping me. maybe you could find a doctor who is "in the know", because i don't think most of them have a clue. best wishes and you are in my prayers.peace, sway

[redrodeo]

Hey, Finding the correct md is important. these other docs don' get it.  AM MORE THN WILLNG TO detox.