What is the best way to tell your doc.

[terter]

I would like to find a doc in my area, the ones I have seen G.P's seem like they don't want to touch addiction. The one I got most of my scripts from says oh well. I have gotten off a 20 a day habit of hydro for 3 years then relapsed and am tappering with darvocette is this a good choice?? My biggest problem is lack of energy and depression that lasts forever after I stop useing, is there a certain medication that I can ask for to help with this? Thanks TER

[mrmichael67]

You're welcome.

[pammy0690]

I thought Kurt's line about being "a wordy junkie" was funny.  This two shall pass.  Pamela

[Nana42]

The other thread closed...but I wanted to thank you for your suggestions and words of encouragement.  I'm much calmer now.  Strange how just the mere THOUGHT of not being able to get more pills can make a person go Nuckin' Futs!  

I have a few weeks now of tapering...which makes me feel a lot better!

Love to all...and TONS of thanks!

Talk to you all soon...I'm sure!

Nana

[terter]

Thank you. I have an appointment tomarrow with a doc who perscribes buprenex. How long do you think I should stay on it if I do take it? Thanks for the reply about the Darvocet(spelled correctly for Jesse)but please don't attack the rest of my spelling... Thanks TER

[cetiya]

Try to find a pain specialist, they seem familiar with all "this", not like a regular doc.  I told my doc the truth, I wasn't taking the oxycontin for pain, I was taking it because if I don't, I'll go into withdrawals.  He's the one who got me in this mess.  He wanted to take this slow, I just got off the duragesic patch, and I'll stay on sustained release oxycontins for a while, then try to taper down to vidcodins I guess.  I just gotta get off the heavy duty pain pills, I'm not in that much pain anymore.
  good luck finding a doc, hope he doesn't give you more problems!

[bmac]

I am sorry about the way I posted that comment about other borads. It wasnt meant to defend this one. I belong to 3 other boards and I was really trying to make the comment about all the fighting that goes on on all these boards. Sorry I didnt 'splain myself right! And about the AA/NA thing. I talked to a guy from the local Bham NA and he told me that to be in the program you would have to have a note from your doctor explaining in detail why I am stillon pain killers. This is why I dont like NA/AA. Now I know it isnt this way everywhere, but I thougt what right does this guy have asking for my private medical records. Sometimes I think these groups need to look at themselves first. But I am sure they do help people. I just got a bad tast in my mouth from this so called Caring man the runs the local NA group. He said before I could be apart of his group I needed to bring him note from my Pain Doc. I told him off and I also filed a complaint with the regional chapter OF NA here in Alabama and so far havent received an answer which I am sure I wont. Being a druggie you know! LOL

[pepsi4]

Is is Darvocet or Darvocet-N that you have?  Also, see my post at the end of the last thread -- you may want to look into that, if you react to tramadol the way I do.

[motox4fun01]

YEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWW
I just got word that I can now apply to get my Registered Nurse License BACK!
All I have to do is go in-patient for a 5 day substance abuse eval and follow the reccomendations of the Doctor and pay a FINE.
Sounds like alot of hassle, but at least I am on the road to getting my life BACK!

James

[mrmichael67]

Congratulations James!  That is good news indeed.  It is always nice to get some of that from time to time seeing as how things usually are.

[pepsi4]

Congrats James!  I remeber reading your post a while back and really feeling for you.  You are the BEST -- keep going!

[babyboomer]

We all have one thing in common(two) We take pills for pain and we are  hopeleessly addicted. Some are fighting this alone and some have all kinds of support.Most of us are ashamed of the whole thing. Especially the older we are.(not being to able to control such a simple little thing like a pill.!)And it is very hard for some of us to admit we have a problem, let alone ask for help.Some issues of getting help have to do with MONEY. And time.And ofcoarse finding the Dr. to help. Do any of you know if phsyciatrist are qualified with addiction??Ifyou do, let me know. I am badly addicted to methadone. It will certainly kill me someday. Love a prayers to all!!! babyboomer

[mrmichael67]

Are you abusing methadone, or are you taking it as prescribed?  OR, are you in a clinic?  If you are abusing it, then yes, it can kill you.  Some psychiatrists are trained in the arts.

[Huiler]

Thanks, Wanna, for your answer to me about Buprenorphene on the thread before this one.
And...in spite of what people say about bad vibes and so onon this forum, I still think there is more help, love and goodness on this forum than there is otherwise. People just seem to have to wrangle where ever we are!
Peace and hang in, all you good people!
H.

[terter]

It is darvocet N100, The ultram/tramadol is what started me in this pill thing. After a while taking it I abused it, I took 15 a day it didn't give me the high feeling but it gave me energy. I took it for over a year The doc I got it from said it was a non narcodic. The w/d from that seemed to be worse then from vic's.

[Jerri2]

Hey you sweet thang you!!Hows your shoulder and back doing??hope your ok!!I tend to agree on the aa thing with you.I did in/house 29 days in 98.It was aa/na I learned alot of good things to help me with my relapses.But did not feel comfortable with the 12 step thing and having to introduce myself as alcoholic/addict everytime I wanted to talk.I havent drank since but the pills I struggle with from time to time!( actually everytime I take them!!!)But you are right about your med.records being non of their business!I agree with some of it but not all!!(Am I making any sense?)And if I have to have surgery I'm not going to say I'm an addict so I need to suffer!I'll deal with it as needed!If I have to go through wds.again so be it!But theres NO WAY I'M GOING TO SUFFER FROM IT!!!Love to ya sweet thang!!!  Jerri

[Huiler]

Hi, just going to bed, took some Passion Flower...anyone tried that? I love it! I get it in a health food supermarket.
I like Eclectic Institute brand, the capsules with the real stuff in it, not the tincture. One 200 mg capsule is good for me on a hyped up night. But I'm not in w/d. I'm no expert, but ya might want to try it.You can take more safely, probably. It's NOT the placebo effect! It really helps with relaxation and sleep.
H.

[tonny13]

http://buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/bwns_locator/index.html
This is the the physician locator for all the docs who can treat addiction with buprenorphine.

As far as the darvocette goes from what I have heard and researched, it is not supposed to be as addictive as hydro and I know it is not as strong.  So... if you can realistically stick to a taper with it, it might be a decent choice.  However, I'm sure others on here will have better information than I do.

I was also thinking of possibly using something such as that for a taper.  Please let me know how it works out for you.  I'll be thinking of you.

[skipper]

terter:
i have used darvon and darvocette to come of 200 mg+/a day habit of oxy in the past. this method is not intirely short of discomfort, but will allow you to sleep at night and not **** your pants at in-oppertune moments!

if you can find a good doc (especially if you have pain isssues) by all mean get one. the MD holds the "golden key" in our society. if you have pain issues, this may be (along with this forum) the only way to keep the "gun out of your mouth!"

best of luck, and keep an angel on your shoulder!!
kip

[terter]

Tonny & skip
I did a tapper with Darvaceete in the past and my w/d were not bad just like kip said you sleep and don't have the runs and thats it. It doesn't make you high (or me any way.) I was curious why darvocette works for w/d. I will ck out that site. I am affraid of trading one addiction with another with the buprenex. I guess it boils down to the fact that there will be a fight with this demon and it's up to me to get through it, We all need to tell our selves we are in control.
Thank you so much and if anyone has any thoughts on this please post. TER

[mrmichael67]

Darvocette is chemically related to methadone and is an opioid.  That is why it helps.  Just like methadone, it is a spoil of WWII from Germany. Only when your tolerance is under a certain level does it help.  I did get relief from it many times when I was taking percs and vics.  But, when I was taking a gram a day of morphine, it didn't help at all.  Believe me, I tried many times during that period.

[Forum-M.D.-rcb]

Dear terter:
I meant  to add that an antidepressant may be very helpful for lack of energy and depresion that you describe.

[Courtney Love]

DarvoCET = (DARVOn + aCETaminophen)

[mrmichael67]

That is VERY good Jesse.

[Courtney Love]

Thank you Michael!

[babyboomer]

Im takeing  methadone from a pain specialist for pain. But I also think you call it abuse, cause I take more than prescribed and thats what gets me in trouble. I suffer from arthritis,fibromyalgia and nerve daamage.If I RUN OUT TOO SOON, THE W/D IS HORRIBLE AND I SWEAR ONE OF THESE TIMES IT WILL KILL ME,WITHOUT MEDICAL ATTENTION. BUT I CAN'T AFFORD MEDICAL ATTENTION. AND I TRULY AM IN A SCARED STATE OF UNCONTROL, WITH MYSELF.I don't know what to do. I hate the thought that this chemical is controlling my life. But it is. I don't know what is worse, the chronic pain or the deep dispair of withdrawl.Are there any government programs for pill addiction? Any advise would be appreciated. LOVE YOU ALL!!

[bmac]

I can help ya out with that one and welcome. First off know MrM or no one will ever judge you for taking too much and coming up short especially Michael, believe me he has been short too I am sure but it isnt a good thing and if you keep coming up short and suffering then the place you get it aint doing their job. Now MrM can help you with the legal mess I can help you with the pain meds way. I am a chronic pain patient and have been since God I think 1989.I know addiction/dependence from a to z. I have taken about everything you can take for pain and methadone is rated at the top of the scale but if you arent getting enough it wont help at all. Nothing will. I started last October taking my scripts the right way finally and my body ajusted and yes like you I have to fulfill the getting high part too, thats where a good doc comes in. I better stop now before I get blasted for taking up space, if you need anything else from me or just wanna ask questions feel free to email,its ***@****     Peace, Bill(Bmac)

[doner]

Has anyone noticed a difference in their dreams either going on or coming off xanax?

[pammy0690]

I do not claim to know more than the next person but I think if you can take you meds as prescribed you will feel a lot better.  I had to learn this the hard way too.  It may mean your dose will have to be adjusted but stop suffering and talk to your doctor.  Methadone is a commitment so there shouldn't be any hurry to jump off of it.  You have to ask yourself is the withdrawal worth the buzz?  Pammy

[KimH]

I used darvocette to come off of a methadone clinic. I was on that for over 2yrs and praise the lord I am off of that! A doctor didn't help me, I just got into a car accident and got the darvocette, plus cough med with codiene, xanax and whatever else I could get my hands on I took to take the pain away. I was on alot and the wd was so bad that if an ax murderer or cerial killer was walking down the street I would have begged him to take me! BUT, I do need to say IT IS SO WORTH IT! The freedom from this particular drug is sweeter than anything you can imagine! It hurts yes, but it is worth every second believe me! You may not steep for 6 mos, but you will forever after that and 6 mos no matter how painful it is, it is worth the rest of your life believe me. This has just helped me! Thinking about this does make me glad I am comming off of ultram. I don't feel so bad anymore, piece of cake! The melatonin helps so much! I slept like a baby! JD I'm glad you have 15 days. congrats and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am going to make it! I am also bringing wannabclean (soon known as bclean) with me! I have been praying for all of us and believe it is helping! KimH

[pammy0690]

I just had a weird thing happen to me here at work.  Friend of mine who recently had a kidney stone said "Ihave leftover 80mg oxycotins I wonder what they are worth on the street?"  She doesn't know about my addiction to OCs and I haven't done them in six months but I craved them so bad!  Had to share with you all.  I took some deep breaths and I am ok now.  Pammy

[MethMan]

One of the things that I didn't take from NA was that somehow you have to "earn" your way into the prestigeous organization.  All to often, when going to one of those meetings, one runs into the consumate addict professional that seems to gauge everyone else's worthiness based on his/her career as an addict.  THIS is where the problem lies, IMHO.
For that **** "MORON" **** to ask you for what appears to be a permission slip to join his club is nothing more than some egocentric troglodite filtering who shall be allowed or not allowed to join his click.  **** on him.
Last time I checked, going to an OPEN AA meeting meant it was.... what's the word I'm looking for?  Oh... "OPEN".  OPEN to all that wish to come.
Based on his entrance criteria, tell me:  Where does the street addict go to get "HIS PERMISSION SLIP"?  What does he think an addict is doing coming to one of his powerful meetings?  Looking to score some kickin' H?  Oh, I know what it is.  They're coming for the free cup of coffee.

[jennypete]

Sorry to butt in on this thread but I really need some help right now.  I came to this site last September looking for help getting off of oxycontin.  I'm glad to inform you all that I successfully quit and haven't touched the **** since then....but I soon picked up another habit-Lorcets.  Before I knew it I was up to 4 a day when I found out I was pregnant.  I was 3 months when I found out and since then I tapered down to 3 for a little while, then to 2, then to 1, then to 1/2 and now I'm down to nothing.  I took my last 1/2 last Friday.  I'm 28 weeks pregnant now.  I know I should've told my dr. but I was so scared that my baby would be taken away from me when I delivered.  I've heard so many horror stories of babies being taken away from mothers and I just did not want that to happen to me.  I was wondering if my baby will still go through withdrawals when he is born?  I'm so scared of the damage I've done to my little man.  Does anyone know what effects this could have on him?  Any light shed on this matter will be greatly appreciated.  I'm just so scared.

[AmberHunter]

you have done the right thing. and i want to tell you how i admire you for doing the right thing. you and your baby will be fine as long as you don't go into labor tomorrow and as long as you stay off of them!!

the stress of worrying about it is worse for you and the baby than the lorcet you were taking and have now quit! really!!

how are you feeling now? are you in any w/d's? even if you are feeling a little bit under the weather right now it should not last too long. just do not go back on them! you can email me if you want to: ***@****

and as far as NA goes, my GAWD... where was this meeting that you had to bring a note to??? and no, you won't get an answer back from anyone about what happened. i believe what happened with that dude had more to do with him and NOTHING to do with NA as a whole.

"the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using" PERIOD!!!! and you will meet some egotistical shits in the program that do seem to measure who is the worst addict etc... but there are egotistical peeps everywhere!

ya'll know i am not into NA very much these days. but i did get 8 years clean in NA and i hate to see it maligned... so please, believe me, as annoying as some of the folks in NA can be it is not the fellowship of NA that is at fault!

peace,

amber

[mrmichael67]

You can email me at ***@****.  I don't want to take up space on here with something I can help you with on the side.

[Huiler]

I would recommend you get a counselor, particularly one who specializes in substance abuse, to see at least once a week. Talking one on one with someone who is familiar with addictive thinking, emotional issues around addiction and who can be really there for you, etc. can be very helpful. Do you have insurance that would cover that? Make sure you get a good one and one that you feel sympatico with. There can be mismatches in counseling, which don't help anyone.
Good Luck!
H

[skipper]

pam:
isn't amazing? you didn't even take the oxy-c/80's and they still made you miserable! i guess one shoud not underestimate the dope has over us!

i'm glad you didn't pickup
and keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Huiler]

But mrmichael, maybe OTHER people would like to read what you have to say, too!
H.

[mrmichael67]

No, your baby will not have withdrawals when he/she is born as long as you keep off of the Lorcet's.

[percsnomas]

Hey, i believe any group/person/thing that helps someone, is great.  Of course there will always be aberations.

Seems however, some of that "weirdness" Methman/Bmac describe is more pervassive than we think.  Recently, my MIL(whom detoxed up here in Canada from a poly-drug habit spanning two decades), had sunk into a real depressive funk.....and we couldn't understand why all of a sudden; especially after doing so well and being in her 5th or 6th month clean. She regularly attends AA meetings(even did the 100+ meetings in 90 days).
Well, after sitting her down, to find out what was going on, I was mortified to find out, that her group had instructed/advised her that no pill was good; specifically that she had been taking L-Tyrosine daily(which she swears by), so she discontinued using it.  Her mental and physical energy gone almost instantaneously.

It took all of my persuassive powers to convince her that it is simply an amino acid, and that it is okay.

After resuming the supplement, she quickly pulled herself out of her funk, and hasn't looked back!!  Next Tuesday it will be 8 months for her.

I'd be lying if i said i wasn't pissed, that something like that almost cost her, this new start in life.
I know this is a case of ignorance(on the groups part), but wouldn't it be wise to find out the specifics, before jamming the abstinence to everything, first.

percs

[terter]

Today I go to a doc that prescribes Bup. He is not an addiction doc but a MD, I went on the site that was suggested here. I am nervous. I have to confess I have a refill of 180 loritabs that I can pick up on 6/27 and I haven't canceled it yet. I have a very important appointment on July 7th I already cancelled once and can't cancel again this appointment will make or break my work comp. case.  I'm hoping if this doc gives me bup he'll keep me on it til then or is that to long?  What should I tell this new doc. I don't know what to do.  Thanks

[doner]

Just wanted to send my condolences on your addiction to methadone as I am addicted as well. Hurts like hell. Im tapering and feeling ok but taking the ingredients in the thomas recipe in addition to my taper has done me a world of good. Just something to think about. Best of luck,Doner

[doner]

Just wanted to agree with you on the L-Tyrosine. A few weeks back I was suffering from severe depression from methadone wds and saw a dr. and he gave me paxil which I refused but I added The L-Tyrosine as well as the rest of the thomas recipe to my diet and feel tons better. Why would they recommend that your friend not take any vitamins? No sense at all. Doner

[pammy0690]

Kip I had real live physical reaction to that girl saying that she would sell those oxys.  I was sweating, shaking, craving everything like a real withdrawal which I am oblivously not withdrawaling from ****.  I guess I realized the power of the addiction like you said, I will never underestimate its hold.

Percs I am sorry that MIL had to suffer like that.  Too bad she didn't speak up sooner.  Goes to show she is still fragile.  That really sucks and is totally stupid.  Pammy

[needinghelp]

First let me say I love this site.  Second where do I find the detox recipie.  I am currently tapering off of T3's I was taking 17 a day and I am now down to 5 per day.  I am taking clonidine for the withdrawls and it seems to be helping so far.  I am just looking for a bit more help along the way.  I want my life back.   I have been using for six years now and if I do not stop I am afraid I will kill myself with the tylenol damage to my liver.  Thank you so much for all of your posts it is so nice to know I am not alone.

[suzieneedshelp]

REcovery is an individual thing.  We are only human.  Each NA group is fully autonomous, meaning they can make their own guidelines within certain boundaries.  But every member can effect/ facilitate  change  and vote on those guidelines by being envolved.  NA is more like a bridgeclub than any other group.  No President, no one in charge.  Just "trusted servants" (from the NA literature).  As far as recovery is concerned...it is up to each one of us to be willing to do WHATEVER it takes to save our lives.  This is a terminal disease.  When I join ANY type of recovery group I need to look for similarities not differences.  But in the beginning that is wut all us addicts do...WEll..I wasn't THAT bad, or i didnt do street drugs, or i didnt lose my job or my house, or we think the opposite...i was worse, they don't understand me...  That is why we say in the beginning ... "Just keep coming back".  
But i kno wthat my NA accepts anyone to our rooms.  CLean, using..in fact our most important tradition as in our literature is "to help the addict still suffering"!  So anyone who wants recovery is accpeted.  In fact EVERY group saysthe ONLY requirement for membership is the DESIRE to stop using!  WE all read that to begin every meeting.  There is no statement that if you are using you need a fricken Dr. note!  You can take that to the bank!  I know many who attend our meetings who are still using, street drugs, prescription drugs, etc.  We all love em and hug em and give em our phone numbers just the same.   So wut that guy told u is BS...in my opinion.  If he was ur sponsor he may want that.. but if you don' like it you can fire him as your sponsor.  You see in NA we have choices to make...there is no one holding a gun to our heads.  This is MY program.. no one elses.  Only Suzanne can keep Suzanne clean by using my resources and tools!  If we have reservations then we need to deal with those one at a time.  This is a process not perfection.
Love ya'll!
Suzie

[pepsi4]

I use the L-Tyrosine on certain days (I keep it handy).  It really seems to make me feel good.  Some days I don't need it, so I don't think to take it, but if I wake up with low energy feeling a little down, it does the trick everytime.  Thomas -- thanks for bringing that to this forum.  I have other nutrients that I take, but somehow I missed the L-Tyrosine -- thanks again.  FYI, I take 1000mg with B6 when I use it -- it's great!

[bmac]

ON this NA can of worms I opened: A guy I worked with and he is in NA/AA. Whichever(cocaine/Vodka) was his poison as he says. I talked to him for about an hour and asked alot of questions. He gave me a number of a guy who held the meetings at his place and kinda was their mentor. I told him I was an addict but also a Chronic Pain patient. He told me that most of what I was calling pain was really my addiction telling me that. Oh course the rest of the converstaion was me F***ing with him once he showed me his ignorance. I ask about if I could get help there and he told me about talking to my Pian doc and getting him to explain what he thought about my condition, this is where I lost it completely. It is none of anyones business what I take medicine wise especially a guy who claims to be a Mentor. I got pissed and yes It left a bad taste in my mouth about these groups but Duh? you would have done the same I bet. I will just keep reading and learning and maybe one day if I need NA/AA I will try again but at this point I have no intention of living in pain with no meds for anyone's attention!   Thanx Guys I love ya!    Bmac

[doner]

Im sorry to interrupt the thread but a question popped in my head today.My demon is methadone, which I am handling.But I still smoke grass a few times a week(always have) and if a bump should be laying on a table at an after bar party Ill do it. So where do I really stand with sobriety? The other drugs don't affect my life in a negative way like methadone. But when Im done with the methadone can I really say"Hey I made it"? This thought came to me today after catching a buzz.(I think alot when Im high on pot).Is the goal to get totally clean from everything or is the goal just to get your life back? Any feedback would be much appreciated. Doner

[mrmichael67]

The goal is to do what you want to do.  I think a lot when I smoke weed as well.  If you want to smoke weed, then smoke it.  If someone cuts out a leaner for you, then pull it up....if that is what you want to do.  If you were to get off of methadone and be successful, then that is all that matters.  That you got off the methadone.  If someone else would have something to say about anything you do, well, it's YOUR life, not theirs.  Do what YOU want to do.  Don't worry about what others think.  I know I have no intention of stopping weed.  It has never caused any trouble in my life.  It really hasn't.  I just wish my back never went out.