Here is my problem, I am being treated with oxycontin for about four years now for an old back injury by my doctor. I find that I have much more energy more focused and more open towards others. This is truly not denial, I have been promoted to a senior management position on the job, I have written a software program, which I was able to market and sell for a lot of money. It only becomes a problem when I run out. I realized I had a problem when I came up short one month and I could not function and had your classic symptoms. To be total honest I do not want to quit but refuse to go to the streets and spend my hard earned money on drugs. What do I do?
The amount you have to take is just going to get higher and higher and sooner or later it will start effecting your life negatively .I understand the fear of be sober and have to feel again but I would never give it up for the world now .
put it this way......yes tapering may work for some people, but for the majority of us.......if we could contol it would we even be here??? just quit and get it over with. We'll help ya get thru it. Just think, the worst will be over by Mon-Tues.
I think one of the reasons why I want to quit is becuase I know it can only get worse. When looking back to one perc a day to 5 oxy'es somthing is wrong. My fear is what will my work be impacted and will I have the playful attitude with the kids. I lost my brother to cancer and I was under the attitude that I will live evryday like it was my last and I will do what I want. I am going to do this with a doctors help, I have a list to call in the morning that traet with suboxone.
is there anything like a home remedy (ie: natrual herbs) to help with the withdrawl? I can not be non functioning for a long time, You are all awesome and will try the CT treatment with help from this group.
Yes, I think I started useing more and more since the death of my youngest brother and then my Dad a year and ahalf ago. They both died of cancer and in 03 I was dxed with SLE so, I think stress made a hugh impact on my over medicating and of course tolorance builds the more we used. Also alcohol plays a major role in my immediate family and I am still struggling with trying to deal with loved ones who drink. They think it isn't a problem but I know addiction when I see it !!!
Best wishes to you and I am sure your Dr. will do all that he can to help you.
Same here and not be disrespectful towards anyones illness, alcoholism is something I could never understand. The main reason why, is I do not understand how people can put up with a hang over every day! That is why the OC was so easy to take, I feel perfectly fine in the morning, if there are days that I am tired I just take an extra pill and I am set for the day.
I am very excited about tomorrows doctors appt to get put on the right path.....
Be carefull if you see a sub doc. Some are okay but a lot of them just took a weekend course and don't know much or care about addiction. The problem is many of them give you sub instead of oxy or other dope for as long as you want it with no real plan to get you off and you are no better off and maybe worse than if you were still taking oxy. I have seen this happen so often and hope it doesn't happen to you.
hoestly.....if u cut down from what u are taking to a few percs a day u might as well go c/t. I'm not a doctor that is just my opinion.......from personal experience. Your gonna put ur body thru hell cuttin out that many opiates......your better off not draggin it out and just gettin it over with. Again just a persoal reccomendation. Its all a mind game, you just gotta convice urself u have a real bad flu. You can get through it. I thought i ever would make it but here i am 10 days into a lifelong journey......i dunno you but im sure youve been thru more than the 3 days to come. The physical part really isnt that bad.
When I first started taking the oc, I asked myself why not just make it an over the counter drug. It only becomes a problem when you do not have them. Well 4 yrs later and I ask myself why do they even make the drug as more then half of the users find themselves addicted to it!
i agree with sickofthepills. Ive never hoestly tried to taper. But i know if someone told me.......well just buy what you eed to start cutting back........yeah right!!!I I KNOW i dont have the willpower to do that. And it just drags out the W/D's and feeling like ****. Again......if we had the willpower to cut back ourselves we wouldnt be here in the first place. That goes for us that dont have legitemit (sp) pain. I had a knee surgery but was addicted to oxys well before that. I just used that as an excuse.
Most people or more than half can take a drug like OC and not get addicted because it's not pleasureable to them at all. The rest like it and can get addicted. Now we have a whole new cottage industry like methadone clinics and subdocs. They may help some but in many cases it's just "replacement " or harm reduction" therapy. Be careful when considering treatment options
I too was unable to taper. I bought 30 oxys with the intention of tapering off over the course of a week. I swalled all of them in a single day. The next day I began this journey. My actions probably made the detox significantly more difficult. But I knew after that that I could not live this way, and I am lucky to be alive much less sober.
THIS IS A TRUE STORY, I went to the Suboxone doctor today, we started getting into small talk and he did his normal checks. As we were talking I told him the story of how I was getting prescribed . I informed him that the doctor that was treating me for the back injury just keep raising my dosage. I was joking around with him and said I know I did this to myself but can you sue a doctor for turning you into a drug addict as I was laughing. He immediately stopped what he was doing and said I do not want you in my practice, I demanded my co-pay back and walked out. I took my normal two OC’s in the morning and you know how you get chatty. I mean really what an *******, even if it was in poor taste, f them if they cant take a joke. I mean even if I was wrong, I was reaching out for help and he turned me away. Well anyway I was able to make an appointment with another doctor on Monday, and will be sure to keep my mouth shut!
Matt, how long have you been on them and yes I tried that and purchsed for maintain until my next script, I think the more you had in your system the harder it is. About a month ago I went to FL and knew I did not have enough to hold me over, so I desolved a half under my tongue every morning and was able to make it with out getting sick but the craving was still there. The hardest part was sleeping
I feel you here. Most of us addicts have a particular sense of humor. Probably a defense mechanism when we are feeling uncomforatable or nervous. Doctors are notoriously lacking in the humor department.
When I saw my doctor after my arm sugery he asked how I was feeling. I replied that I "could string myself up in the shower with a guitar string." lol, I do not know where that came from. He certainly did not get it, and called me the next day to make sure I was still alive. Oops. I told him not to worry, because "I do not even own a guitar."
LOL, I love that story. Just thought I would share.
Well I guess I have to see, I came up short one month and went through WD for one day and did not like what it did to me. I hope to be able to make it through my 30 day script window with the sub. I have no poblem with not getting high off the pills anymore but I do have a problem with getting sick. I am looking to use the sub to keep me functioning while not taking the OC anymore. Again I refuse to spend my hard earned money on pills. I have another appt for Monday to we will see how it goes.
Wow you must have been out of your mind to say that to a sub dr, taking any oxy before going to find help is not a good idea. When you go to the next appnt you should be in mild to moderate wds. No dr will prescribe sub so you'll be able to get through the month with your prescription. In fact, you'll need to return within a week for a check up. Expect a urine test for the first three or four visists at the minimum. What you'll find is that because of the long half life of sub, you'll need to refrain from taking any oxy for at least a day and then some for the effects of any oxy to be felt. Then once you run out of oxy, you'll need to be feeling pretty bad in order fo the sub to stop the pains of wd. So there is no avoiding getting sick when using sub to get through the days you won't have your doc. If you are going to get on the sub to totally stop using oxy, good for you. It has helped a lot of people. And don't pay too much attention to all the negative veiws about sub that you'll come across here. Everybody reacts differently to it. Hope your next appointment goes better for you on monday. Ask a lot of questions so your able to make the best choice with what is best for you.
Again I say sub is like methadone in that it puts your addiction in a "holding pattern" and is "replacement therapy" and not real treatment to end opiate addiction. These sub docs aren't very impressive and I seen many of them give way to much sub to pill addicts and make them sick and then just give them as much as they want for as long as they want it making them often times more addicted than before. Be very carefull and think about this. It is a big step
That's a very good point. Not to mention the money that it brings in to the drs. most seem to over prescribe. I personally have more faith in the drs that use it as a short term medication to help an addict get both feet on the road to recovery
Lisa, Im 23 years old and I had been using 30 mg A 215's for 4 years. It all started off in good fun as a recreational user i would do 1 at a time every few days. Well ****, I loved the way it made me feel and I started taking them on a regular basis. You may think that you can take the same dosage everyday and feel the same effects, but this is sooo wrong. I started taking them everyday and continued this for 4 years through college. I felt like I was superman and was able to get up for class everyday and party and get good grades and girls everything. By the 2nd year I was using 10 pills per day and started to really become sucked in. I realized I had a problem and tried to quit numerous times using suboxone, c/t, and it never worked. I always had access to pills and I couldn't be that person I was without them. So I continued my usage and by my senior year I was taking 15-25 30mg pills per day. Yes, I am not kidding. I am 5,9 160 pounds and thats what it took to keep me "normal" By normal I mean not in w/d and hardly even high. I had to start selling them just to support my habit and was able to get my self into a major debt ($10,000 within a year). I began giving up on all the things that once mattered to me such as hobbies, going out, my family and esp. my personal well-being and health. I worked out everyday for 7 years and I gave up on that like it was nothing. It was my senior year that I hit rock bottom. I lost my girlfriend who was everything in the world to me and had helped me for so long with my addiction. I lost so many friends that I once had that were sick of my "addict" ways and always being either high or w/d. I began to do bad in school and stopped attending classes. I could no longer afford to take my pills even with making hundreds of dollars a day. I even resorted to using IV Heroin becuz it was cheaper and gave me the fix I needed to be me. Understand that I thought i would NEVER touch such a thing and I took to it like it was bubblebum. And to be honest what really gave me a wake-up call was just seeing how quickly the people were changing that were starting them around me. And it was at that point I realized everything I had accomplished, everything i had felt, everything that was so great to me was all an illusion. Yes it happen, but it wasn't me. You may feel like your normal but you dont realize how much these change the chemistry of your brain. Well I ended up making it thru the year barely and graduated. I moved 600 miles away and escaped the world that was once my home. I had no options left, I lost so much lisa you have no idea. I come from a good family and I am a good kid that just got taken away by the drug. I went c/t from a 600mg a day habit w/ the help on my family who for the first time in 4 years i came clean with. I must say that that was the best feeling Ive ever had and I regret to this day I waited so long to do so. Anyways, I am now 18 days clean sober. I did not use suboxone but used a recipe called the "thomas recipe" which contains many diff vitamins. I found that this helped me a great deal. The first few days are going to be hell I wont lie to you. Those little blue devils are the worst of there kind. The absolute most important part for people like me and you is aftercare. Yea I got through withdrawals near killed me and I feel like Id rather shoot myself then ever go thru that again however once your clean for so long you forget and you use. Or if you have a really bad day or someone dies or whatever we arent able to handle it without them because of how our brains have adjusted. You need to attend NA's meetings, you need to be active on this site or others, and you need to have a professional help you. I was never a depressed person. I have become a walking zombie. I dont know where or what I am doing anymore. I dont wake up and blow a pill that puts a smile on my face anymore. I don't have superman powers and I have realized just how bad it all was. You will not realize it fully until your head is clear of those ******* things. If there is anything in this world I love more than being high on those pills but I will NEVER go back. It does not matter who you are, what your tolerence is, why you think you need them. We all will end up in the same exact place. If I had used this website before and realized how many people have these problems and how much of a problem it really is, I would have quit earlier. Use the fact that you came to this site as a grace of god and take it as a sign. I would love to live a life of taking pills everyday and feeling great but it is not POSSIBLE. YOU WILL HIT BOTTOM. Your family, your job, your friends, your money, your soul. I have never in my life felt so clear headed and disgusted with what I had done to myself. I have cravings everyday and depression is just downright awful. But at the end of the day, I look at myself in the mirror (pupils scarying me at normal size) ha, I realize that its me again. And waking up in the morning and not having to take a artificial drug just to start my ******* day is the BEST feeling, high, you will ever feel. I am lucky to be here today and I had so many close calls with OD's and at with my habit I should be dead. I may have lost all that I did but I am back and I am sober. I am ready to start life as a regular 23 year old and take some ******* responsibilities in this world. Your gunna have to get that monkey off your back sooner or later lisa and we are all here to help you. Please please listen to me and don't follow the rest of our paths. We aren't on this website for ***** and giggles its part of our every therapy. We all need each other and we all use each others experiences to guide our own. I hope that you take this serious I am not trying to scare you but only promise you that youve got to much going for u to lose it all. You are going to need to take some time off work. Don't even try to go to work on a day 1 or 2 w/d or youll just relapse. Take the time, the effort and have a positive attitude that you will overcome this. This to shall pass they say. Remember that everyday will be better than the last. Good luck to you and if you decide on subo, be very careful with it and make sure you do LOTS of research before you start it.
Yea i feel like i could write a ******* book of my experiences on opiates the past 4 years. Ha ive calculated that I have done about 30,000 roxicet 30s over my time. Theres something wrong with that seeing im 23 years old. I am lucky to be here today. And I am very thankful.
Can you send me a link or any info in the "thomas recipe", I have not kicked it entirely but I have lowered my intake from 10 a day to 2 a day so that the WD is not as bad,I have filled my habit with Excedrin as I do suffer from some post surgery pain and I told the Doctor who did the surgery what I was doing. He is helping me thru this (not the same doc who was writing my other script). My biggest fear is that I have some VERY high level meetings for a project I just picked up at my investment firm and I am afraid that the energy I had that got me to where I am will expose me at work. To prove a point that drugs can impact anyone I hold a very high level position, very respectful six figure salary and I worked too hard to get where I am to have a dime come out of my pocket to pay for a pill, everything I have gotten my hands on was from doctors and the current doc I have is very easy to trick in getting more pills.
Being a little more sober I realized that the one of the major contributors to a bad WD is the anxiety of not being able to get your hand on the pills with x amount of days between scripts. I have comforted myself in that this next script is not that far away but you are not going to pick it up, but it is there if I need it to sustain myself in the weaning process. The doctor who is giving me my advise is telling me it is very hard to stop at 10 pills a day, take it down to 2 where I would take a pill replace it with Excedrin as the pain will not remind me that I want to take a pill and it has helped a lot as I do not have any craving and the opiate is only wanted when I start WD. So there is one in the morning to get rid of the cold sweats which have gotten better day over day and will probably take it to a half tomorrow. I will probably be on pain meds for the rest of my life with the arthritis getting worse (especially damp days). I think I am heading in the right direction in recognizing I have a problem and dealing with it, my plans are to start Monday with one pill every other day and take it from there. I mean really how long does it take for the opiates to get out of your system?
Just taking it day by day, been able to lower my in take to two perc’s a day since this past Saturday and supplement my habit taking with Excedrin. The second I sense the slightest tinkling of pain I use the Excedrin. Morning is the worst, do not have that burst of energy anymore but the one pill keeps me from WD like symptoms. Think I would like to sustain this for the next couple of days and starting Monday start to skip a day.
Lisa, Very glad to here your progress. If we died today and went to hell, we'd be in the exact same spot. Its hell. But your doing good tapering and soon youll be able to drop them all together. It takes time and pain but youll pull thru. And don't forget the damn aftercare because of how busy you are your going to have cravings like a mf. But if you can handle them mentally youll be fine. And keep us updated on here and let us know how ya feel. Try ibuprofen too for the pain that helps the most esp. if you take a few. And start the thomas recipe as soon as you can get it that was a huge part of my detox. Im day 20 today and im telling you I feel normal again. I have cravings, some anxiety, and a little depression but I can take that over the option of taking synthetic heroin everyday. Its plain disgusting once you are clear and sit back and look at it. Youll be twice the person in no time. Do NOT give in. ;)
Well I know I suffer from OCD and that is how I found myself in this predicament. I have engulfed myself in my work and I am currently developing another sw app so that is where all my focus has been. As long as I keep myself busy I am fine, the fear I have is suffering from WD like symptoms in the near term as I will be presenting my scope of work to the president of our firm mid-week of next and I need to be on my game. The good part is that all the meds have been coming from one doctor so once I feel I am well enough I will inform him of my abuse and cut me off, I just need to keep that option open for now as it helps with the anxiety, I would have no idea how to get my hands on the drug after that, like buying from the streets. At my firm we have EASE program which helps employees with additions, mental issues, etc…., however how confidential it maybe, it is not but, I am thinking of walking into the office telling them I have a problem and they will keep me on the books and send me away to get clean. But I am high on the food chain in the organization and do not want to be labeled, I made a good name for myself and have been with the firm for over 20 yrs (hired me as a mail clerk right out of high school) and have worked myself all the way to VP of Performance Planning and at 38yrs old, I am gunning for EVP my the time I am forty. Next to my family my career is all I have and I will not jeopardize either one. I have got to be honest, when I found this web site I thought it was bull$hit but it really has helped me, the advise I have received has helped me get this far, and the support from everyone (ie: peaceinknowing, dominosarah, rupp and all theothers) else is really nice. My significant other has been very supportive as well, I just feel so bad between the opiates, being in bad mode and taking it out on them.
The best advise was from peaceinknowing with her saying “nothing bad can come from getting off the pill” as crazy as that may sound it is a big motivator! Thank you for that one!
Take your time if you have goals you need to accomplish this week then do it. But stay on track and youll be fine. You sound like a totally different person from last week and im proud youve stepped up. Nothing bad can come from doing this. Only good. And you will succeed. OCD isnt such a bad thing when it comes to getting clean. However, please do think about aftercare and getting some professional help too. I know your a strong person but mentally it is going to be a killer after. I have no problem detoxing from 600 mg roxy a day but man am I struggling mentally. Everyday is a challenge and youve got to be strong. Goodluck
Wow 21 days, must feel nice, stay the path, I will look to start posting my days clean Monday after next, planned a week of vacation, will just shut down next Friday night and suck it up. I will have my significant with pocketing some for me, again it just helps with the anxiety. Having them at your disposal has its pros and cons, right now I have been stretching the hours in between, telling myself I can wait it out and I have. My mind set is that I do not want to get high I just do not want to get sick!
Lisa...wow what an amazing group of supporters you have here. This is a very intense post but you have received great advice, support and encouragement. I wish you all the best. I hope for your sake that you are able to set yourself free from the pills. I couldn't help noticing thoughout this post you mentioned several times that you have a great job and didn't want to spend your hard earned money on pills when you ran out at the end of the month. Just a random thought....haven't you already been spending your hard earned money on the scripts and doctor bills...etc???? I hope the day comes soon when you truly don't have to spend another single dime of your money on pills. Your life will be so much better. Best of luck to you...God bless...Lynn
I think the activity is because we all asked ourselves that question as to why should I quit, it is still a decision I am struggling with, I have more focus and more energy on than how I am now. Right now it is a $15 cost for a month supply, I have been reading where people have been paying upwards to 20 a pill from the street right know I pay for my health coverage which covers pretty much all of it.
It is like the commercial with the devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other. The devil is saying as long as you can sustain your inventory of pills until the next doctor visit why stop? The angel is saying that you are starting to lose control, you have a great family, awesome job and why even jeopardize it.
Now that I have more control with lowering my daily dosage, I am seeing that this is something I can do with stopping, but I see that big hurdle in front of me which is WD and it is scary. Right now I am taking it day by day and I am just not ready to make that jump, I know this shows weakness but I lowered my daily dosage by 80% in a 24hr period and it has been sustained for almost a week, I think a couple of more weeks like this will help me build up the confidence. Really I am in maintenance mode, I do not want to get high I just do not want to get sick.
I hope that you are able to make the decision for yourself. The others are right when they say you have to be ready or it will never work. It is one of the truest things ever. So when you are ready...you will know. You have a great support system here when the time is right for you. Best of luck you you.
I know reading this is hard and you're probably desperately searching for one of us to give you an answer that will let you keep the pills and live sober...I know... I looked for that answer too, about 3 years ago.
Now you're coming up short every month; and let me guess, your ran out faster this time than last time..mm? You have choices; they aren't fun choices, but they are available. 1. You can go to your Dr. and let her/him help you come off. Most Dr.s will help their patients through withdrawal.
2. You can check into rehab and probably have the most success via that route. 3. You can quit cold turkey...(disclaimer, I'm not a Dr.so, if you go this route, tell someone, don't do it alone !!!)
But if you stay on this road eventually you'll find yourself doing things you never thought you would. After you have exhausted all of your resources, you will go where ever you have to to get the drugs. I promise you I'm not being condescending; scholastically you're smarter than I am; but, I'm speaking from experience. That's another thing, the pills will begin to affect your memory and your intellect.
Please get help now. It sounds to me like you were reaching out and a lot of people on this site care about you because we have all been down this road ourselves. It is a hard, hard road;but, you will be the better for it when you get clean. I wish you luck, and hope everything works out wonderfully for you.
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whats up lisa? glad to hear your doin good. I'm at 21 days now feelin better than ever. Excedrin actually works wonders. The only non-narcotic ive found that helped with pains and RLS. Anyways keep it up! Best of luck
Just wanted to stop by say it sounds like your doing a good job with the tapering, if Im correct you've gone from about 100-140mgs of oxy to about 20mgs daily which I know from experience isnt easy to do for most people. I myself have always been a tapering person, sometimes its a struggle to not give in but I found that I do possess the will power to sustain a tapering schedule. Most of my drug use was with oxycontin which led to methadone(big mistake for me), got clean a few times but it never lasted. The last go around I went the suboxone route rather than tapering down off 140mgs of methadone. Theres so many posts to your question that I got a little confused about whether you were going the suboxone route or getting ready to quit at the 2 perc's/day. If your really at that low of a dose then honestly I would just go for it, for me the physical part of w/d's from oxy really only lasted anywhere from about 4-7days, which when you look back it really is the easiet part about getting clean, the staying clean dealing with cravings, no energy, lack of motivation has always been the hardest part but with time is really does get better. Like I said I got a little lost about exactly where your at but I basicly I just wanted you to know that you can do this, try to stay positive and realize that this will only benefit you down the road, because if you keep taking the pills they will eventually turn on you and ruin everything that youve worked so hard for. Its been a major adjustment for me being sober, but Ive found with living a healthier lifestyle, excercising, eating healthy meals, drinking lots of water, I can honestly say that my body and mind have never felt better. I have more energy now than pills ever gave me, the hard part is having the patience to allow our bodies to fully heal themselves. I wish you all the best, its sounds like your doing well. Best of luck to you, keep up the good work, stay positive and determined and you can get through this. Take Care!
Hey all, hope this finds you all well, happy and clean, it has been a while. Since my last post I am down to one OC (1x30MG) at 9AM everyday no more no less. I will be at one for a while I do not see a clean life in the near future but do not read my failure as uninspiring to those who are trying to get clean.
your story is somewhat like mine without the promotions and what not. But the energy level and openess with others was great. I am on day 13 of CT. I do miss the extra pep and pleasure i felt but i enjoy not worrying about getting vicodin at a high cost and the felling that i am taking control of my life again without drugs. I was taking 20-30 most days closer to 30 and some days almost 40 vicodin 750 ES. At $3-$4 per pill you do the math. It will ruin your life because all you can think about is where am i going to get my next pills and how will i pay for them. not only will you experiance terrible withdrawals you will eventually start spending money on drugs that should go to family things, house payments, you name it you will eventually get there. I was to the point that i had to take 4-5 right when I woke up or I could not function. If i were to sleep in past 9-10 am I would wake up in sweats and shivering until I took my pills. Its no way to live. No matter what you think It WILL GET WORSE. Please try to stop now before it gets too late. Good Luck.
I'm in a similar situation w/my husband. Unfortunately, I don't know how far it's gotten.. how many he takes a day... We had an argument in May about him buying vicodin from his friend (which took almost 3 wks of investigating because he wouldn't fess up). I recently found a bottle of morphine 4 mg and a label for a rx refill under his mom's name who has many medical issues. I spoke to my mother-in-law and she called her pharmacy who sure enough said she just filled Vicodin on 10/7 when she really hadn't. I'm so upset because he promised me in May that for our family (we have a 1 yr old) he was going to stop. I saw him go through physical withdrawals then, but I can't believe he's going back to it now. What do I do? I don't want to be babysitting the rest our lives. I'm so concerned. I'm waiting for him to come home from work to confront him... =/
Awesome posts and good on you Lisa! You should feel very proud of what you've accomplished over the short timeframe and your will power. How does taking the one pill at 9 AM make you feel? Is it the "high" or "confidence" that it gives you? Or is it actually relieving pain? I'm going through a similiar situation and I wonder if just the one pill will stay at one pill. If being taken for pain? Have you noticed your memory has been affected now that you're off the big doses? And your intellect as posted by Avallonmist? Sounds like you were on the pain meds about the same amount of time as myself. Do you have any problems with concentration? Or the lack thereof?
Interested in your progress. Kudos to you!
Sounds like your husband is going to need help with his addiction. Doesn't sound like he can or will do it alone. Also, he's got to be the one to decide that he's hit rock bottom and do something about it. My opinion I guess. My husband nagged me and I just resented him even more. Of course he heard a lot of denial too. I think it's just like alcoholism you know? He has to admit that he's addicted and decide for himself that he his. I just know that my husband made it worse for me because I was already feeling like a bad person and he was just enforcing that. The only thing that made me decide to quit was my pain doctor cutting me off of the pain meds. Fortunately I hadn't gotten to the stealing of pills but I sure did ask friends for them if "they weren't going to use them". You know, "didn't want them to go to waste". Fortunately I have a very forgiving husband. I don't know if playing the "touch love" card will work with your husband. I guess it's different for everyone on what finally "gets" to them, but because of my experience, I would try to be understanding. Still nag but understand that it's that addictive chip that most of us have for anything and it's not something that we had a choice on. (the addictive chip that is). I wish you good luck and hope he sees the light soon.
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