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Why do Opiates give you energy??

If opiates are a "downer" drug, compared to cocaine and meth which are clearly upper drugs, why does it give you so much energy? When I do opiates I get a huge burst of energy to accomplish everything in my day and more. I can run around doing a million things, and I am so motivated. Sometimes I feel like I just took some adderall (adderrall) or something. So, does anyone know why opiates produce these effects in a person, and give them a lot of energy?

Oh, also, if I remember correctly, when I first started taking opiates it did not give me these same effects, instead of energy, I got tired, and would lay on the couch, however, after a few months, it totally changed, its like I am taking a different drug now. Did anyone else have these same experiences? Or know why it gives you energy??

Thanks
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rockergirl is very very right get out now before its to late.
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The tiredness was the truth, and the energy is the lie that the pills tell us!  It's not giving you anything but making you high!  You are "high energetic" but not natural energetic.  The only way to recover anything resembling normal energy is to stop now!  It will only get worse.....the energy will go back to sluggishness and inability to do or think of anything but pills.  You don't want that!!!

Good luck to you!
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I am curious of the science behind your question as well.  The way I understand it is that the opiots trick your body to release endorphens.  This is how they help you cope with the pain once you have been hurt.  But I had the same experience that it would make me tired and then it turned and I got high from them..I went a long time without taking them maybe a year while I was pregnant and had a baby..I had a c-section and while in the hospital I had to take them and they had the same tired effect on me then.    Started abusing them agien and then would get high on them.   I do not know if this is correct thinking that they trick your body to release endorphens but the way I understand this at day 16 of trying to be clean ...is I have to train my body all over agien on how to release endorphens naturally.  I am curious on what other people have to say about this too..thanks for asking:)
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Yes....your brain has to get used to releasing it's own dopamine and endorphins.  When we do it for so long, artificially, our brain gets "lazy" and doesn't do it!
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I know what you mean about the energy, they do give you energy. I can tell you though, that honestly does not last--When i quit takin them after close to 3 years I was so far behind in everything--house cleaning, car a mess, yard work,  school work, bills---everything. Something happens after a short time that causes that "energy" not to be as productive. I dont know if you are addicted or just takin for the "energy" right now, but i can tell you that there is NO better time to quit than now--if your not addicted now consider yourself lucky and get out while your ahead----its a pain in the a$$ once it gets you
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I am very addicted, i've been addicted for the past year and ahalf. It consumes my life, I have tried to stop many times and never could, and finally I went into rehab/AA and it worked for a little but I rela[sed months ago and haven't been able to get back on track, although I am trying again to stop. I am just wondering, as someone said, the "science" behind the energy of opiates, I don't understand how it gives a person energy. I see a lot of people on here talk about being "supermom" or "superhuman" getting a million things done, I know how horrible opiates are and how they destroy lives, aside form that though, I am asking because I am curious, how this drug gives a person so much energy. Even if it doesnt last for long.
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They are all telling you and warning you that was the reaon i took hydros i thought i could move the world in a day i felt great and i d meen great! NOW all it does is make me feel awful the worst my stomach,head,body everything like you have the flu but worse im on sub so i don't have to go thru the living hell anymore unless i put myself thereand yes i have but i for once am relizing im paying to be sick i think i try to fool myself every now and again but it just does not work for me anymore so i pray i can remain on the sub and everything will work out in the end!!!! TRUST ME the energy is the devil in ya rite now.
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I also should tell you my now dead husband who blew his brains OUT felt super energy of fthease pills he was the nicest man ever with all the energy you could ever imagine only when on the drugs other than thathe was a monster abusive in every way that you could ever imagine evey drug reacts diffrent just depends on the person some get energy some dance some killthemselves after the drug has worne off and the list goes on.kitty and by the way im married to the best man ever now he is a walmart driverof22yrs no drugs no nothing but goodness and alot of patients to put up with a person like me!!!!
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Opiates give you a false sense of security...You think you are full of energy but you are being dragged down down down.......You will be surprised to find out the lack of energy you really had once you get clean.......As Lee said, everything is a mess.       sara
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Our endorphins are actually natural opioids and substances like oxycodone (a semi-synthetic opioid) mimic our endorphins.  Exogenous opioids DO NOT induce the release of endorphins, quite the contrary, they suppress the release of our endorpins.  This is why recovering addicts suffer from rebound pain, because our body's are no longer releasing these natural pain killing chemicals as it normally would be.  But they are produced and released after we've gotten clean.  There is no evidence in any medical literature that proves opioids act at the chemical synapse (for example on dopaminergic neurons), but this has been suggested by several experts.  As several people have said, feeling "high" gives you a sense of well-being, which for you may translate into energy, but dont be fooled, eventually, they will slow you down.  And you may not even realize it, but they probably are slowing you down even now.

Hope this helps answer your question

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Is there anything to help the body jump-start the endorphins once you've been clean for a will as I rather have my natural opioids take care of my pain of course. Right now I am feeling rebound pain and I am toughing it out so far.  Are there any Amino Acids supps I can use. Please let me know.
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I remember that soon after arriving here i read in someone's journal a really good article about it, it was written in terms i could understand it so well being ignorant of medical terms and etc..... It made me understand the process my brain went during and after using drugs, it helped me a lot knowing what it was going to be expected and why the importance of staying clean  (knowledge is power, yes )  and the reasons i should give myself time enough to start healing even if i didn't feel very well for some time, it's so worthed it!!!!!!

i kept it in my laptop so i have read it again and let's see if i'm able to explain it rightly, what the article stated fits well with the rest of the posts.

we release the natural dopamine in a "normal" life and our brain has a receptor for it. It's like a "gate", we release it and we open this gate to receive it. In a normal life, we release a normal amount ( with food, sex, etc....), the gate receives the normal amount and we feel good with energy and so on. The thing is that drugs, opiates release dopamine in a veeery high level ( meaning a really higher amount of these normal levels). At first, our gate can't cope with this incredible amount but soon after using and here comes the problem, friends, our brain starts creating and opening another gate to cope with this extra quantity of dopamine. After a while we need increasing our dose to "feed" the old and the new gates. We soon have more gates to feed and at the same time, we keep opening new gates so even increasing the amount we take is  not enough. We lose these feelings of being happy, high, energetic ...after some time of using them (we started feeding one baby and soon we are parenting octuples and increasing the family non stop ;) )

that's the reason why our tolerance is much higher and we  can take doses that to any normal person could kill them. Instead of the normal brain with one gate, we have a brain with 20 gates after some years of abusing. it's not the same amount of gates after  months of using opiates  that after  years as i understand from this.

so now, what happens when we stop using... just as our brains tell us that we need to eat and if we were to stop feeding ourselves, our brains would fight fiercely to be fed because we need food to live, we have tricked our brains with so many gates that our brain thinks that we need opiates to live....so we go into these emotions that tells us in any possible way that we need opiates ( cravings, depression, lack of energy, etc ) and we must keep saying our brains NO by staying clean of them for our brains to "understand" it . Yeah, we have  more gates now and they are not going to dissapear but after time enough, those gates stop opening and stop sending the signal of needing to be fed.

the trick to keep those gates silent so we can repair some of the damage done  is only  time and abstinence because when we use again  opiates, the gates will open again with the sudden amount of high levels of dopamine and we can start soon being abusing again because we have re start  again the process of having to feed not one gate but some more and soon all of them.

sooo....it was stated in the article that it takes months and sometimes a year to make those gates stop asking for their doses. We have to be very careful also all the time with alcohol, for instance . Because whenever we take something that make us release a very high level of dopamine, we are sending the signals to our brains that we might need  be opening some of those silent gates ..and so on. That's why some people could start a new addiction through alcohol. We should also be careful with sugar soon after detoxing and in the early days of recovery because we are going to be craving sugar as another way of needing dopamine super extra...that's why sugar cravings are also common after detoxing, it's our brain fighting for what he was used to... :)

sorry for the long post but i hope this has helped to answer some of the issues here , good luck to all and keep fighting, eh    :)



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Excellent article it explains it all with getting all biochemical on it. No the post wasn't too long it was just right.
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thanks, quitin...yeah, it helped me a lot at the time to understand where i was.
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laurel is there a link on this forum where article such as this could be published. I think it would be a GREAT benefit for people going through this to be able to understand what has and is happening to there body's. If there is you should publish it there. It certain was for me.
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Laurel,

You can create a health page for it. I think it would be helpful to a lot of members. Good stuff!
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i don't know how to do it but i can look for the journal ( i know it was worried's ) i can "bump" it and with the proper article ( much better said and explained than my post ) maybe some of you could create the health page ?

i found a lot of good info in worried's journals :)
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I'll talk to the CL's about creating the page. I'm a little rusty myself.
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Our endorphins are actually natural opioids and substances like oxycodone (a semi-synthetic opioid) mimic our endorphins.  Exogenous opioids DO NOT induce the release of endorphins, quite the contrary, they suppress the release of our endorpins.  This is why recovering addicts suffer from rebound pain, because our body's are no longer releasing these natural pain killing chemicals as it normally would be.  But they are produced and released after we've gotten clean.  There is no evidence in any medical literature that proves opioids act at the chemical synapse (for example on dopaminergic neurons), but this has been suggested by several experts.  As several people have said, feeling "high" gives you a sense of well-being, which for you may translate into energy, but dont be fooled, eventually, they will slow you down.  And you may not even realize it, but they probably are slowing you down even now.

Hope this helps answer your question

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sorry for the double post.  weird.  

laurel453, be careful where you get your information from.  A lot of information on the interent is not from a credible source. The only information you can take as being absolute comes from peer reviewed journal articles, such as the New England Journal of Medicine, or Nature, etc (there are many).  As I said, and as several physicians have taught me, opioids have not been shown to act on dopaminergic receptors.  While there is speculation that opioid abuse does indirectly affect dopamine levels, these are only speculations.  But ill explain what they think is going on.  Within our cells, there are signalling pathways that carry out various functions. One protein signals another protein, which then signals another protein, etc., etc. eventually causing the cell to "do something." Opioids bind receptors on the cell surface which initiate these signalling pathways.  The pathways initiated by specific opioids are different from those initiated by dopamine.  BUT, some believe there is some cross-reactivity and that opioids indirectly activate dopaminergic pathways too.  Now the article laurel453 posted eludes to our bodies "making more gates." Not exactly...IF opioids are in fact activating dopaminergic pathways, this could lead to dopamine receptor downregulation.  Now if you go off opioids, our body is still producing dopamine BUT it has nothing to bind to because the receptors have been downregulated (aka no longer on the cell surface) and therefore the signalling pathways it activates do not get activated and that is what leads to addicts feeling depressed, etc. during recovery.

Laurel453, could you send me a link to the article? I'd be interested to know where its from and what sources they provide for these claims.  I'm not saying they are wrong, in fact, what I read sounds more like the effects of cocaine on the body, not opioids.  

I've posted a link to a peer reviewed article summary from the British Journal of Psychiatry and in the conclusions you will see that the researchers DID NOT find that opioids affect dopaminergic responses.  

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/193/1/65

This is just a summary, you need an institution code to read the entire article.  I have one, so if anyones interested in the science behind the study, I'd be happy to post the complete article.  

quitinoxys, as far as I know, there isn't much that can jump start endorphin production.  Its a well known fact in the medical world the Capsaicin (the active chemical in red chili peppers) stimulates endorphin release, as does acupuncture (causing pain), sex and exercise.  BUT, if your not producing it, there isn't anything to release/very little of it.  Your body will start to produce endorphins once your clean.  I'd just like to point out that its not like you have no endorphin production, just a reduced capacity to produce them.  Although sometimes, even small increases or decreases in something can have dramatic effects within our bodies.  D-Phenylalanine is an amino acid thats reputed mechanism of action involves blocking the degradation of what endorphins we do have.  I will not give out medical advice regarding natural health products because they are not regulated and you never know whats actually in them, but if you choose, you may give that a try.

Take care,

CH
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That was very helpful, thank you!
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i have an injured wrist n the ONLY time i use Vicodin is if im almost in tears, because i dont want to take that chance of getting hooked. only when ibsu dont work will i use them.
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Good read. I am a "casual "user, when I can get them from the doctor, and I really want to stop.  This  has helped me.  Thanks, Karas404
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what do you do when you have chronic pain. Pain that is so intense you feel like you want to shoot yourself to stop the pain. I have a lot of health issues and only take oxycodone when in pain. Usually at night because the pain keeps me awake. I have had to use them for three years now and I know I am physically addicted, but if you were to tell me that a vitamin would do the same thing I would have no problem stopping the medicine. I don't feel high tired sleepy dizzy or anything else. Some times I feel good physically and get a burst of energy which is nice because I get things done.
My issue is that I have been clean and sober 30 years before I had to start taking the pills, and I am happy and thank God I have never felt high taking them. I think that because I take them only when I am in pain the medicine works on the pain and not on getting high.
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what do you do when you have chronic pain. Pain that is so intense you feel like you want to shoot yourself to stop the pain. I have a lot of health issues and only take oxycodone when in pain. Usually at night because the pain keeps me awake. I have had to use them for three years now and I know I am physically addicted, but if you were to tell me that a vitamin would do the same thing I would have no problem stopping the medicine. I don't feel high tired sleepy dizzy or anything else. Some times I feel good physically and get a burst of energy which is nice because I get things done.
My issue is that I have been clean and sober 30 years before I had to start taking the pills, and I am happy and thank God I have never felt high taking them. I think that because I take them only when I am in pain the medicine works on the pain and not on getting high.
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