Why is this such a problem???

[RC184]

Ok to start I went to see my Dr. yesterday....This is my 5th visit with her she knows I am addicted to the Norco's I asked for help to get off of them, and get put on the Suboxone for 21 days to come clean...She stated from the start I have to go to a drug counsler which I am.. I have seen her 3 times (the counsler) I am at 6 norcos a day 10/325 I am doing everything I can to get off I am going down to 5/12 tommarow ...My Dr also has stated that I have to do urine test to make sure I have no other drugs in my system which is fine because I don't plus I have to get on birth control which is fine ....My plan, to get free of these demon pills is to get pregnant in the first place so that is fine but it seems like I have to prove myself to all of them counsler and Dr that I will do everything so that they will perscribe the suboxone but they do not hesitate to keep perscribing the Norco's ( I am lost) why are they not listening...Only 2 Dr's in this town can pescribe the subs and that is why I continue to go...I also take xanax for anxiety.. I am journaling just like my counsler said to do .....On Saturday she asked why is it so important for you to have a baby??? Well does anyone have plan I don't ... I had a misscarriage 8 months ago I felt like lord why did you give me a light something to look forward to in my future and then just take it away from me .. I meditated I lowered my dose I went ct then the baby was gone then i felt it was my fault because my body went into shock ...Then I had nothing except a new bottle of pills that I could take to numb all the pain I felt so I stopped feeling...Now I ask this people to help me and I keep getting more pills I thought finally I will have an end to this nightmare .. I just say lord if you are listening "Help me"  I can not do this alone..."please" I don't understand why if you ask for help noone is willing to help you but if it is court ordered you get all this help even a discount so I am thinking do I have to become a criminal in order to get help ...at least that is the way they made it sound when I went in for my assesment.. 1st appointment 189.00 that is not including all my Dr visit..ahhhhhh sorry this is so long I am just fustrated...Does everyone go through this??

[avisg]

I guess I am confused are you hydro ..were you on sub ?

[RC184]

I am trying to get on the suboxone to not withdraw so bad from the Norco ...But the Dr is making me jump through hoops it seems that way to me ... I have never been on Suboxone I just read about it...

[refusingbondage]

First, I am sorry for all your pain.  It is your choice if you want to have a baby and the DR should not approach it that way.  A caring doctor might be concerned that your 'ready' but who ever is?  I want to say the docs not wanting to give you the sub may be a blessing in disguise.   If your tapering down now why would you want the subs?  If you are down to 6 Norcos a day and you are ready to quit and you know you want to quit, starting subs is, to take the words from others mouths, like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.  Even 21 day short term sub can be very hard to come off of, I was on long term, but Ive read countless stories of people on this forum who have had a miserable time coming off of a short term sub treatment.  Unfortunately a lot of us are finding out the hard way that although sub takes away withdrawal from the vics, percs, norcos, etc, it is so powerful and addictive you will still have wd coming off the subs and for many of us those wds are far worse than if we just would have stopped of drug of choice.  I would just suggest you really find out about sub from people who have used it - not from the sub website or your doctor.  You will hear bad stories, some good stories and at least you will go into this knowing exactly what you are dealing with.    I wish you all the luck in the world.  I applaud you for wanting to rid your life of pills and for wanting to have a baby and I hope you really think about taking subs vs coming off norco.  God Bless

[avisg]

I agree with  bondage if you are going to taper all of the way down I would forgo the sub.

conitue the counseling I bet you will do fine .I would do lots and lots of research if you go on the sub .The withdrawals to get off for some people can be worse then the hydro wd .

[mtgoat911]

sounds like your doctor wants to know that you are serious
suboxone is harder to quit than norco, maybe your doc is hesitant to put you on sub for that reason
right now you are experience addict behavior (please do not slap me for that one)
a. your quote "do i have to become a criminal to get help"
b. "....My plan, to get free of these demon pills is to get pregnant in the first place "
you do not have to become a criminal to get clean, if you do not want a sub or methadone clinic and you really want to get the dope out, why not try a taper plan and na?
speaking from personal experience having a baby will not keep us clean forever
there needs to be dramatic changes that will not happen in 9 months
my suggestion is to taper, using a short acting opiate that is much weaker than norco
adding suboxone to your habit will (in my experience) make things worse
the problem with sub and meth. is that patients get on these matinence drugs to help them detox, everyone says, oh i will be on them for 21 days, then years later they are still peeing in a cup and standing in line to get their drug
sub. and meth are matinece drug
i am old school and believe that when addicts are seeking freedom from active addiction, it is best to get them off of drugs, not add another drug to the mix
infact i recently quit a detox center because they were starting to push sub...its become nothing short of an epidemic, and i would hate to see you fall into that trap
i know a few sub success stories, a few, but most of the people i see on sub have been that way for a long time
if you decide to quit and say no to sub...........
there are several safe comfort meds you can use
combine all this with a 12step recovery program and your chances of staying clean have just doubled
i wish you the best of luck
xo

[RC184]

I have been doing my research, everyone has different oppinions on this matter some people have good results some don't ... I don't know I am just looking at my options I also have read about clonodine but for some reason my Dr does not perscribe me that either, just a push so I can be on my way to recovery from this 'hell' I need to work just like everyone else and the WD just make it impossible to concentrate.... I got myself here some how I need to find the willpower with the lords help to get up and be myself again I hate what I have turned into because of these pills...anywho thanks for the advice on the subs I will think about it harder before I jump into the frying pan...jejeje:)

[theeagle]

It is in my opinion a huge mistake to use sub to get off a medium hydro habit. You are in effect trading a week or two of w/d's for a couple months further down the line. And the w/d's from methadone and sub are both different and worse than hydro's. And they last so much longer. Keep looking at the clonodine and a taper or cold turkey...........many here have done it that way and will help you. There is no painless easy way to get this done................but you can do it...

[worried878]

as a chronic pain patient..i can feel ur frustration...round and round talking with doctors who do not listen...who will throw hydros at u like candy but the problem being hydros dont help me!...they are like candy and i did feel the frustration..fortunately i am trying to learn to live with my pain in a natural sense and stay away from narcotics to ease it...one reason being it is such a rat race to try and get pain control in the first place..i guess the DHEA is really coming down on folks and it is just hard to get anything other than hydros from most doctors.....pain control with narcotics is becoming a thing of the past it seems as doctors are afraid..."I dont do chronic pain management" is a golden statement among doctors.....I am not going to kill myself with tylenol taking enough hydro to help due to my tolerence so i guess i am just off the merry go round...which is ok...and probably for the best anyway

[ochooked]

I totally understand you not wanting to go through the W/D process and I wish I could tell you that you will not have to.  Unfortunately, you will have withdrawals ---- one way or the other.  I don't think you have really done the research on Sub ----   If you read on this site --- all but a very very few relate a very bad experience with Sub.  The main reason you should not go on Sub is that it is a much stronger opiate than what you are now on and it WILL cause you a worse addiction.  Please take the advice from those who know what this stuff will do to you  - Just begin a serious taper -  get some help from someone who will stay strong when you are weak and give your pills to you according to the schedule.   I know first hand what Sub does -- I too got hooked on it in only 21 days - and I was on a very low dose.  The w/d's were far worse than I would have gone through just staying on my DOC.  Refusingbondage gave you a very good piece of advice ---- Hydro is so much easier to come off of.   However, no matter which way you choose, we all wish you the best.

[liscamdave]

It is tough to get Sub. More and more doctors are becomming certified in Sub treatment. In my opinion, 21days is the best way to go. I mean, a short term sub treatment may not be for everyone. As some tend to relapse once they are off the sub or clean, but for me it was the best thing to do. I wanted to be completely drug free. I wanted to wake up and take nothing to function. I need the oxy's to function on a daily basis, and then when I started the sub I needed that to function. So I weaned down to as little as possible then stopped.

Its a double edged sword, you can't afford to get on sub and you can't get it covered by most docs. An addict won't let themselves me in w.d in order to save up for sub. Once an addict has any sort of $ saved, they will inevitably spend it on thier DOC> At least I did. I can't speak for everyone.

Do you have insurance? I can help you to find a Sub dr.in your area if that is what you truly want. What it sounds like, is your Dr is tapering you down to as little as possible with the Norcos. and then is going to put you on sub to w.d from the Norcs? Is this right? Please just be careful and understand that Sub is also highly addictive. Its a partial opiate and if on it long enough, its w.d can be worse then the strongest of opiates. A short term treatment is recommended to eliminate severe w.d. And also if you goal is to be drug free.

If you need anything, please do not hesitate to ask.

Lisa

[RC184]

I do have insurance and I did find a doc in my area who is certified to perscribe the suboxone that is who I am seeing but she is making sure that I am ready to get clean I am seeing a counsler also ...Thank you(Lisa) hit the nail on the head yes I am just doing this for 21 days this is like my last option it seems like ... I am reading diffrent things from diffrent people everyone has an opinion on the subject .... We are not all the same what works for 1 may not work for the other and same the other way around... like klonopin alot of people like it better then xanax, klonopin did nothing for me it made me feel worse... I have been doing my research on the subs as for 1 of the comments above said  "I don't think you have really done research on the sub" I am not here to get questioned on what I have looked up or how I have done it. I am here looking to get advice but not be told I did not do my research, diffrent people diffrent things... I will take you up on the offer Lisa I don't have any friends yet on this site so I am asking for friends that can help me through this just by listening and not judging....As I will do the same..God Bless All...

[liscamdave]

I sent you a PM..

Hope you are well..

Lisa