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My question is this.... As this is my 5th day clean, is there any better feeling than that magical 5th day when our bodies become whole again, our soul is on the mend, we take showers instead of baths, our families exist again, friends are no longer pillars to be avoided and the world seems like a better place? If I could bottle this fleeting few upcoming days I would but I believe by coming to this forum and seeing ths struggles and fight in all of you people I will carry on w/ each of you in my heart. Thank you to all of your unseen faces and words of wisdom ( Thomas , Meth et al. ) Rage, Rage against this evil machine I say! This is probably my 50th time raging, but what the hell, no one ever said I was smart... Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil... yeah right..Keep writing ya'll, I'll keep reading....
Inmytree, don't know about that "day 5 magic", specifically (since it seems most of my withdrawal misery lasted longer than that), but I am very familiar with the feeling. . .that the bondage has been lifted and you are being welcomed back into the human race. The cell door has been unlocked, and the freedom to just walk away is exhilarating. . .but pretty friggin' scary as well. Enjoy these days of freedom, my friend. . .if you put enough of them together, you'll find that they will never really go away. Jeez, that sounds really corny, doesn't it? And yes, you WILL have shitty days clean and sober, too, plenty of them -- but there's nothing so bad in life that getting high won't make it suck even worse when the junk is gone.
Peace,
Kurt
I'm seriously feeling like this is where my addiction should stop and am trying to figure out a plan as to how to accomplish this the easiest way. I'm also taking Prednisone (20mg/day)...so my pain is gone, but my head still WANTS the Vicodin. AND...when I cut back on the Vicodin, I go through high anxiety and panic attacks. (I posted a few days ago with all of this...so sorry if it's repetitious for some of you).
I'm just at a point where I feel that things have gotten out of control for me and I'm using the Vicodin to do day-to-day functions and for the 'high' it gives me. Time for me to stop the merry-go-round and stand of solid ground again.
Any suggestions?
then it is just depression and lacl of energy
*I'm really not a sarcastic person, but I'm totally seriously looking for answers and help...*
As for the Clonazepam (generic for Klonopin I think), it is Doctor prescribed. I didn't even really know what it was until he said I should start taking one at bedtime, so I did some research. Then I came here and see that people use it with withdrawl. I had no idea you could buy that stuff online...and I'll take your advise and not even entertain that idea. I'm trying to stick to my doctors recommendations, but I don't think she knows how addicted I am to the Vikes...I've told her, but she just brushed it off and said "Naaaa...you're not on that much to be addicted". Well, I've been on it for a year now and am SURE that I am.
In any case, does anyone have any insight as to my first question here? Regarding the Clonazepam and withdrawls? (other than it's horrible and then you start in with depression and lack of energy!)
Thanks everyone...It's so great to have a place to get answers without exposing yourself to your family/friends. *guess that makes me a closet-abuser...although, by the looks of my closet, it could use some abuse! It's a mess!!!!*
I should clarify....I see a female GP and a male Rheumy. They are both in the same clinic and are both well aware of what each one is doing.
I'm just curious if you were a doc at some point or in the medical field in some capacity...??? You're very informed and it's so nice of you to offer advise and caring words, just out of the goodness of your heart. Are you here often? I'm quite new, so I don't know anyone.
ps. Thank you for responding to me on my question.
Anne
You said that Clonazepam shouldn't affect my w/d from the Vikes. Did you mean that it won't help? Or that by me taking it now, it shouldn't minimize it's effectiveness when that day comes that I decide 'TODAY IS THE DAY'.
You also said that I should have xanax or ativan on hand for w/d...actually better than the Clonazepam. Right? Where do I get those? My doctor? If so, do I just ask him for it? Will he give it to me?
I've smoked weed, but it mostly made me feel iky...kinda nauseous (probably because when used to smoke it, I was already three-sheets-to-the-wind with alcohol...which I don't drink anymore).
mystere...I'm hearin' ya and I take what you're saying very seriously. That's why I'm here I guess. I have a 4 week supply of 4/day sitting in my bedroom...and I'm thinking that by the time they are gone, I want to be done. This is my hope. I know that some would say to just throw the damn things away...but I don't think I can do that. Not just yet. How weak, huh.
Anyway, thank you guys for your support...hopefully one day I'll be able to return some good somewhere.
Nana
2 weeks/20mg
2 weeks/10mg
2 weeks/10mg every other day
Is there also going to be w/d from that as well? Or is the tapering off just because of the adrenal gland issue...???
Peazy, I got confused about the shoulder pain, sorry I did not respond, I just did not understand....
Thanks to everyone, and the great posts that are back!
Damn, woman!! You are doing SO WELL!!! You are going to have fun in Vegas w/ your new carefree life!!! My ex lives there so I will email you w/ an address and incindiary device...(JK --don't send the SWAT team)
Can you tell me more abut your job prospect?? I can tell you, firsthand, that it IS wonderful not having to worry about dropping dirty n a drug screen. It's WAY easier just to stay clean in the first place. (IMHO)
I'll play the Jonny Nash song for both of you today around 4:00 PM CSDT so if you get an irritation in your left temple, it's just me....LOL It was really good to hear from you! Love, Peazy
Anyway---------Nice to hear from you. Make an appearance from time-to-time .......Love, Peazy
Anne
Anne
P.S. I don't think whatsisname needs to know about your "slip"....but tell yourself that if it happens again you must tell him. That might help you avoid a relapse.....Remember---a few days high is NOT worth the guilt!!! Keep up the good work.
(oh I am in trouble now) If I dont come back, it was Pammy)!
You need to educate yourself on the Dr. Ashton's benzodiazapine detox method.
Here is a site that will get you started.
http://www.geocities.com/benzobusters/
There is a link on there for Dr. Ashtons method. She is world renown for her research and detox method for benzo's. Specifically Zanax, seeing as how it is the most dangerous, has the fastest half-life, and is overall the hardest to detox from.
I could tell you to switch to a longer acting benzo like Valium and slowly tapering from there. But for your safety and getting educated yourself it is best if you use her method as a guide. She has spent the last 20 years treating patients and perfecting a SAFE method of detox, which is the most important since you can DIE if you don't detox correctly.
I am not tryingto scare I am not trying to scare you. I just want to see you detox SAFELY.
Feel free to post more, we are hear to support you...
Chezz
For 4 years plus I have been taking
Xanax .05 mgs ten to twelve tablets a day, I am only supposed to take 8.
Oxycontin, I am supposed to take 90 mgs twice a day, I have been taking three times that amount and my doctor up to two weeks ago always refilled my scripts early. He always warned me that I was supposed to make the prescription last 30 days, but I never made that 30th day but once in all those years. In the last two months I have only been able to make a 30 day supply last 14 or 15 days and that is bad because my doctor always gave me 40 or so extra pills a months to allow me latitude in my pain control. I have a wonderful doctor and am ashamed to say that I would always find a reason to come in early and sometimes made up and told falsehoods to get in early to get my prescription refilled. More and more I needed extra pills, I can't function without the xanax for panic and oxycontin for pain. I am so ashamed of myself for abusing the trust of a fine physican as my doctor is and I don't know what to do. I have turned off my answering machine and shut off the ringers of the phone to avoid getting that call that will summon me to rehab.
oh god forgive me......goldie
Billy----You are a complete mess but we love you even if you DO talk funny.....The scary part is, I'm starting to understand you perfectly.
Mrm----Well, since you aren't here, I don't have to 'fess up about the "accident"......What you don't know won't hurt you. But thanks for being so concerned about my britches......LOL
Love y'all--Peazy Lou
Everyone, it just goes to show that here lifelong friendships are made and we do need each other. I wish everyone knew my story and how the people here and this forum saved my life. I can not tell you guys how important each of you are to someone. Remember that someone is depending on you or needing you. That should be reason enough to get your **** together. Whether its being clean or doing the right thing with your meds, Life can be good and fun and right again. Thanks to Cindy and Phil and everyone of you who I have crossed paths with, I am truly Blessed! Bmac
Have a great weekend, you chick magnet, you!
Love, Lisabet
I saw a girl come thru Rehab 10 yrs ago. She had a hefty Xanax addiction. I did not know what Xanax were back then. No other patients were withdrawing from sedatives. She was treated differently from the other addicts: alchies, crackheads, pillheads (etc.) in that Rehab facility. The Powers That Be allowed her to sleep (while the rest of us were shuffled among classes, meetings and therapists) This Xanax addict was gently guided her back to the real world. I am sure she had different meds than we, but like I said, I didn't know what her "program" was, or anything @ Xanax.
My experience w/ this, my only in-patient Rehab sucked because I sucked. I was playing a major game w/ (alcohol) rehab. First off, I wasn't addicted to alcohol, nor am I now. If I did it over, I would do it gladly and w/ an open mind.
Even after going cold turkey off pills this year (my only attempt to quit), I would benefit and appreciate an in-patient rehab. Especially w/ the "Frey" book as a basis for my mind-set, realizing I could indeed leave what I perceived as BS from Rehab, and "take" what I needed. If you haven't read Frey's book "Million Little Pieces," try to get a copy; read it, plug it your home phone and embrace what could be a lifeline: Rehab.
I hope this isn't crudely blunt and that you find your path of light.
rwc//
Bill
Thanks for appreciating us so much--we love you right back, Doll. Love Always--Peazy
Where ya been girl? I get the feeling you have been ducking me, ya don't respond to me on here or answer your email anymore. Don't tell me that you cut me off too! I'm just giving ya a hard time. Take care sweetheart
Big Jim
Damn... I'm gettin' too damn old to keep these broads in line. TOO DAMN OLD. It's like raisin' a family of 17 year old girls that like Thunderbird back seats. TOO DAMN OLD.
And one more thing. I don't care if they're handing em out in school. You can't have any and they AREN'T BALLOONS!
Methman, Billy TOLD me they were balloons---was he kidding me???!!!
P.S. Do you HAVE a T-bird?? LOL
And no, I don't have a thunderbird. But my truck has a hell of a bedliner. Rodeo Girl tested, Hillbilly approved.
I am not against rehab per say, I am just frightened out of my wits. I started taking the oxycontin because I have had a terrible infection in my leg and both my ankle and my knee of my right leg were infected. Actually they were septic. I had broken my ankle in 1987 and the injury was so bad that the doctors said at the time that they should remove it. I freaked and said "NO!!" do anything you can to save my leg. They told me then that I would never be able to walk again on that leg the way it was and if I did, I would have a bad limp, have to have abrace and use walkers, crutches and canes the rest of my life. I became obsessed with my ankle and I worked so hard at physical rehab that I over came my problem and not only did I keep my leg, I walked, without a cane, without crutches...no walker. In the three long painful years of my rehabilitation of my leg I never took pain killers after the initial 6 weeks after surgery. I went back to college, because I had been a nurse but because nurses are on their feet all day, I decided to change professions. My son was 15 when I started back to college and my husband was very supportive. I took a law course and graduated after 3 years at the top of my class and received my diploma and instead of going further and studing for a year to write the bar exam, I took a job in a busy law office. Corporate and Commercial law. I worked for 5 years, as a Law Clerk, in one of the busiest law practise'sn my area and won the respect and admiration of all the lawyers I worked for. I spent my time researching, searching presidents for criminal and divorce proceedures,making drafts of will's and setting up corporate initiating articles for many different clients. I loved it. I am a quiet person by nature and knew I did not have the orators skill to be in the court room, so I was comfortable being a Law Clerk and did not want the responsibility of being a lawyer.
Then suddenly I started having trouble with my leg, at first it was just mildly annoying but as time went on the pain became a big issue and I went to have it looked at. They did scans and tests and came up with the idea that I could have the ankle joint fused and that would take care of the problem. The first operation went well and a week after the surgery I was home and even doing home based work for my employers. As the weeks and months went by, I saw the doctors every couple of weeks and they scanned my ankle with the cast on and finally after 8 months the fusion had not taken place and I was back on the table. Tis time they took bone from my hips and re-fused the ankle. Ten months later the cast came off and I did wear a brce for a few months, but the pain got worse and the knee started to swell. After several more operations now not just on my ankle but my knee as well, I was told that the leg should come off. Nope, no way said I. I went back to work brace and all. Everyday it got worse, finally one night, this was a couple of christmas's ago, I was wrapping presents at my diningroom table went the pain started to get bad, before a half hour went by I was on the floor screaming, my husband called an ambulance and I was shipped to the hospital and they got me comfortable with morphine. Sometime later the next day, I was in a fog, I was shipped to another hospital were they finally told me that my ankle and knee joints of my right leg were septic, I was going to lose my leg. Stubborn, I said no. I stayed in the hospital for months on antibiotics and then finally sent home with a pic line and IV antibiotics and three times a day a nurse came in the change the IV bag and change the drainage dressings. A year went by but I had my leg. That is how I got on the oxycontin. Because I was so freaked out, you can imagine being stuck in the house in bed for over a year, the xanax was started. Now I am hopelessly in pain and addicted. The reason I am afraid of rehab is because after so many years of pain I can't visualise being off the pain killers and anxiety meds. Everytime I try to cut back, the pain returns, and it is bad. The doctors now tell me that even if they take the leg, phantom pain is a possibility and there is no way to deal with phantom pain, a catch 22 situation. Caused by me, if I had let them take the leg when all of this started, I wouldn't have developed the chronic pain syndrome and phantom pain wouldn't be an issue.
Oh god......I'm sorry, I know everyone here has a story, and probley worse than mine, but I am so frightend....unsure of myself and don't know what to expect in a rehab situation. I don't expect special treatment, an addict is an addict, whether you took the drugs because your doctors prescribed them or whether you take them to ease emotional pain.
I know I am addicted, but I can't imagine life with unbearable pain everyday. I have never ever thought about suicide, but I can understand why someone would consider it. I am only 51, even though everyone I know take me for 20 years younger than that, God was kind to me and I take after my parents and grandparents, all of whom never had grey hair and looked years younger. Still 51 is young in this day and age and I have so much living left to do, things I want to do, place I want to go, experiences I want to have. Fear FEAR FEAR is what is holding me back. I can't face the pain, I cannot. God help me.
I'm sorry for rambling on, but you all seem so wonderful and honest. I would appreciate any and all comments whether they are kind and thoughtful or brutally honest and crude. Tell me what you really think.
thankyou so.....
goldie52
Also you may wanna check the mental health forum. the addiction forum is for people getting off of addictive pills and substances not getting on them. You may find better help at the other forum in this matter.