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5082295 tn?1371250911

beginning to back slide again with my pain meds

I ask a question a while back on how long it takes to go thru vicodone w.ds..well I started taking them again & I'm so mad at myself! Feel so alone & the guilt isn't helping. I'm beginning to see I really don't kno how I'm going to stop completely for the long run..I went 10 days & slowly started again bc I didn't see fast results I'm sure. Plse any encouraging words will help right now. I don't need to be told I'm not accepting I have a problem bc I kno I do I just don't kno how to fix it..told my psych bout it and he wasn't much help..anything at this point would help me begin to try again. Everytime I swallow a pill I feel like I'm swallowing that anger n guilt right back into my body & mind...
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480448 tn?1426948538
Well, usually after a relapse, it's important to reassess and find out where you need to improve your recovery plan.

You mention acceptance.  If you ARE struggling with accepting that you have an addiction problem, that certainly can hold you back.  That doesn't mean you have to shout it from the rooftops, but finding acceptance is really a big step in moving forward.

I'm sure you've seen people here talk about the 3 S's.  I think it's a fantastic way to describe the basic steps that are crucial to successful sobriety.

*Sources....you must cut them all off, whether it be doctors, pharmacies, dealers, friends, wherever YOU get them from you need to cut them off.  It's not easy, but it is so necessary.  There will always be times where you will run into pills, or discover them somewhere, but the more roadblocks you can put up for yourself, the better.  If they're easy to access for you, you're setting yourself up to relapse.  That's not about weakness, it's about addiction.  Addiction isn't about will power.  It's about the addict mindset.  That never goes away of course, which is why you have to learn new ways to think and how to address the thinking patterns that come with the addiction.  Put a gambling addict inside a casino, do you think they will be accountable to themselves?  Heck no.

*Secrets...tell them.  Again, you don't have to declare you're an addict on a mountain top, but telling one or two trusted people in your life does two things...it gives you support (which is vital) and it gives you accountability.  If you keep your addiction secret, it's much easier to relapse, because you're not accountable to anyone and addicts cannot usually be accountable to themselves, because they're fighting their own mind.  

*Support...the more you have, the better.  This isn't a battle meant to be foght alone, and the people who try to do that almost always fail.  You're already feeling so alone, that's not going to help you.  You're NOT alone, not by a long shot.  

There are SO many different recovery programs out there, find one that you think would be appropriate, one you think you would benefit from, and dive in.  If it isn't for you, find another.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  Also, back to the family and friends, it's okay to need support and help with this.  You don't have to be a superhero.  You will be surprised at how kind people can be.  Most people who feared telling someone come back to report how well it went when they finally did.  They were given acceptance, met with open arms and understanding.  Someone who you REALLY know and who REALLY knows you won't judge you.  You think they will, but they won't.

I've been the loved one of an addict on numerous occasions, and I never judged any of them.  Some of their behavior really stunk, but still, I didn't judge THEM as people.  I knew they were sick and needed help.

Whether it's addiction, or anything else, it makes sense that if a person fails to succeed doing something one way, then it's time to try something different, change the plan and try again.  You can do it...just be open minded and willing to do whatever work is necessary.

Best to you!
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5082295 tn?1371250911
Hey guys. Well I went to see my doc and 1st off he saw no "major" problems with my spine! Yahh! & then the hard part :pain as we were discussing how to handle this situation with managing pain bc for a good month @ least I will still be in severe pain. I explained to him about my concerns with the pain medication and I didn't think that was going to work. I even told him I already ran out of my supply. And just as yall said he was very compassionate, listened to me and gave me feedback. I asked if there was another way, bc I wasn't sure if I could take the pain meds "as needed". So we discussed Celebrex that will help and he explained to me about the pain meds, and a plan we could at least try one time trial run only. He actually said he wanted me to try some other natural meds that help w general pain, bc he said I would have to take an extreme amount to even knock the edge off of the sciaticia pain. He also said he has worked with patients my age for many many yrs and does not want me dependent or addicted this young. So he asked if i'd at least give this pain med a trial run and he would be keeping me accountable as in pain management for a few weeks. He said now that I have come clean with my past and my concerns on having to just take more to get relief over a period of time. He said this would be short term pain management until this heals...I would not be prescribed this on going and he would make a note of what we spoke about. I agreed I would try all of the above and give it time and ONLY take the pain med when the pain was too severe to function, not when it just hurt, bc that of course will be everyday, which is where the Celebrex and the natural pain meds would take the place of the regular pain med. He said I needed to keep a journal of my pain, that as im taking the other meds (Celebrex etc) to see when that begins to help and if I was able to do that instead of needing the pain med. He is hoping everything besides the pain med will work so next visit ill bring my bottle and the pills to discuss how things worked out and in between now & then if I see myself struggling with taking the pain meds as discussed I would contact him b4 my appt. He said that if I can at least give it that amount of time to try this out then we would know for sure what to do , where we may have went wrong and other adjustments that need to be made (which could include taking steps to getting me off pain meds (guessing detox etc) and not able to get them again for this) & so I would not have to go thru this the entire time with no relief (if all this didn't work with out me over taking or getting no relief at this doseage), and if I couldn't stick to the pain management we would  kno that  would be to completely end that access So feeling pretty confident, w at least his help after explaining all of my fears and reservations that he still wanted me to try this and see if I get relief, from which med, if I need to up my regular meds that are non addictive (Cymbalta etc) bc he said sometimes there is no other way but to take the pain meds and if I do not want to go up on them and they are not working to tell him, be honest the whole way and he would make sure everything would work out in my best interest either way. So that's where I stand, not sure if you guys agree with this or not..i trust him & at least going to give this trial run combination and being accountable for the pain meds, bc he did change them to a more specific one that treats this kind of pain, now that he knows for sure its sciatic pain and the Piriformis syndrome and bursistis. He gave me volteran gel also. He even told me about a doc who saw a lady my age w the same issue (bc a lot of times if you have one of these hip issues u have the other) & that doc put her on, oxycodone, flexeril, Celebrex, lidicane patch, break thru pain med, Neurontin, and 100mg of dexamethasone shot (which my doc only does 25mg at the most) he said that doc just wanted to drug her up, take all the pain away and keep her from coming back. So he said he knows all to well about thoughs who are over medicated. Anyway thought id let you guys know and pray this all works for the best for me. Still nervous but im going to do exactly as he says & idc if its a week into this & I start to c myself drifting into that red zone w the pain meds im calling. Bc he said the only way for him to help Is call and bring the remainder of the meds back.Oh yea and he said one good way to keep from taking so many to stop the pain is when I feel that twinge of the sciatic nerve start b4 it gets super bad to go ahead and take one bc normally its very hard to get it calmed down to a comfortable pain level. But the Piriformis syndrome and bursistis I have to wait until its really bad.(& you can tell the difference bc these 2 are pretty constant pain, but over use or major flare ups can really put u down for a week at a time) So anyway hope this is a good thing, its doc orders esp seeing how he had to note this and he could get in trouble if I don't do what he says...talk to yall soon..thanks for all the positive reinforcement too!
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5347058 tn?1381188426
If your doctor is a caring compassionate doctor, then I'm sure he will understand. I'm sure that he sees this a lot. After all these drugs are addictive. Even people who don't get 'addicted' get dependent on them. I am proud of you. Please let us know how it goes, ok?
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5082295 tn?1371250911
Thanks guys! I think ive come to terms that its almost dumb to continue taking the pills bc the strength they give does not help and I will not, never have, ask for anything stronger. So wasting $ my liver, my sanity and maybe causing more pain to the body parts that seem to be calm at the moment. Idk what has happened..i think when I went to the beach I had to take the meds as prescriped so I didn't run out and they did not help and it felt like ibprohen & seeing my sis & bro in law eating theres like candy and getting no relief (bc of the same reason THEY DO NOT WORK!) kinda showed me my lord that maybe me in a few years..totally give up the idea that this isn't working n just take take take till I run out early (which I do now & yet they don't work doing that either) im trying my best to focus on they do not work, stop thinking "well there is a slight chance they may so ill just take it" & its hard bc my mind tells me 2 different things. Either way I have none, haven't tried to get any so even if I would give in I don't have that option. my only worry is this is my 2nd time seeing him, he doesn't know the real me as his colleague who treated me does. I don't want him to get to know me right off the bat as a girl w a drug problem. But one way or another im gonna tell him I cant take the pain meds, don't want to, have a past w them and I need to find another road to manage the pain. Ah feel so confident now I pray I can do it. I hate confrontation, esp now I know we have connection w him w our family and community events, we spent an hour talking about a concert we all went to (he was w my family) But again this is my health and future so I guess I gotta kinda swallow my pride..i think ill prolly close my eyes and say it! lol..seems like that's the only way ive been able to tell ppl things I don't want to so I don't c there reaction! but again thank u both! I have butterflies in my stomach just praying the visit all around goes good and nothing is even wrong with my back would be some awesome news to hear! the silver lining of the visit im so dreading..i just cant image what he'll say. but ok gonna try and settle myself and maybe get some sleep.
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5347058 tn?1381188426
I'm proud of you girl! It sounds like something has changed with you. Less resistance and a more positive attitude. That will help so much. Now, get your butt to the doctor and be 100% honest! You can and will do this. You can do it! You can do it! Write this on the bathroom mirror so you can see it every morning.  We are here cheering you along my friend!
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480448 tn?1426948538
YES!!!!!

GREAT job sweetie!  That's real progress.  You sound like you have got a very positive attitude about this time, yay!  That will help you so much!

"So I guess this means I have to tell him I cannot take the pain meds. I don't not know how im going to find the strength or courage to do that, know in the back of my mind I may need to have some spare around, yet also knowing I will take them & not put them up"

NO doubt this is not easy, but it will be so rewarding to "come clean" once and for all.  Just go in and be honest, don't downplay, don't skirt around the issue, just come out and say, "I have a problem and would like to try to manage my pain without any kind of narcotic."  The doc will then likely ask you some questions and you go from there.

You can do this!!! I'm praying for you!

:0)
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5082295 tn?1371250911
Hey all! Just checking in if anyone is keeping up with my crazy ups & downs. well happy to tell yall that I have not taken my Norcos since Monday morning & it is Thursday night! I know that's only a few days, but to me its awesome bc b4 I didn't know how i'd make it a couple of hours. The w.ds are not to bad, just sluggish and anxious and tummy upsets. But the cravings are really hitting me. Im trying to ignore them bc it seems like its been so long since ive been able to just pop one when I feel I need one. & GUESS WHAT NURSEGIRL??? My pain is not too awful bad like I thougth it'd be!!! Yes this hip pain is there, yes my back & knee have pain but it seems like its less amplified. The rainy days of course have had me down & out but not on my knees in pain. I really think I may be able to do this. I am writing you guys this now bc tomorrow I go back to see the doc who gave me the script and who took the x ray. Im going to find out if I am having any spine issues as in disks etc. Bc of the tendernous and something he felt on my back that associated with the left side of the body (my hip & knee) So I guess this means I have to tell him I cannot take the pain meds. I don't not know how im going to find the strength or courage to do that, know in the back of my mind I may need to have some spare around, yet also knowing I will take them & not put them up. If anyone reads this plse reply. Im very nervous A. to see him & have to have this conversation with him about the meds & B. bc im really scared to find out about what the x ray found. My mom and sister both have spinal injurys which has caused chronic damage and all the docs can do is manage there pain. I do NOT want that..unless theres pain management w out narcotics (if u know if that's true plse tell me) I cannot do the prednisone again..they was awful! sweating, bad dreams, headaches tummy issues (I have IBS anyway) and kept me up all night. But maybe theres hope. My God is greater than all the above so I know for a fact its all possible, me making the 1st step is hard. So anyway just checking in..hope some1 gets on b4 11:15 tomorrow morning! thanks again for all your support!
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4522800 tn?1470325834
VERY GOOD NG..
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480448 tn?1426948538
I think your post (two up) says it all, you kind of answer all your own questions.  In being honest with yourself, you clearly realize you don't have control when you're in possession of the pills, which therefore tells you the problem is bigger than just managing pain.  You even said yourself that if you have the pills, you will rarely try anything else for pain which means you've long ago talked yourself into ONLY needing the pain pills for pain and not really given any other interventions for pain a fair shake.  That's not a pain thing, that's an addict thing.

Try to stick to your plan until you get into see your doc, and then I think it's time for a REAL heart to heart.  Your medical providers MUST know about your addiction issues or you're putting yourself and them at a disadvantage of treating you without all of the pertinent info.  Telling him doesn't mean your pain won't be addressed, and you already know that there's a VERY good chance once you're clean for a while and once the smoke clears, that your pain will be a lot better than you thought it was.

We're pulling for you!!  You can do this, I know it's scary...but something has to change.  You KNOW this is not the answer (pain pills), you just have to decide to finally make the big changes that will A. Get you clean once and for all and keep you that way and B.  help you realistically address your pain, without the pills in the picture muddying the waters for you.  Up until now, you've been confused, that's the addictive mind talking, it's a hard thing to admit that you've lost control, and it's hard to take those big steps (like telling your doc) because the addict brain knows that means it will be that much harder to GET the pills.

Once you make the necessary changes, and fix the things you didn't address this last time...and REALLY admit you have a problem (not just go back and forth about "needing" the pain pills)...you'll be on your way.

Thinking of you!
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5082295 tn?1371250911
ust checking in! Im tapering down on the pain meds (yah) even tho im still n pain.(yesterday wasn't bad at all! just minor pain till I got home.i stuck with my plan of not taking the whole bottle with me to work yesterday & today. I little nevrvous bc im leaving for a short vacation tomorrow so hoping I wont run out, but its a beautiful place im going & praying I can find clarity there (even tho like 15 ppl are going! lol..not all in one place thank goodness) But anyway if anyone has any ideas for me to keep the strength to continue PLSE let me know..im doubting ill have enough till I see the doc next fri but oh well on that. Hope every1 enjoys there Friday! **be blessed**
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5082295 tn?1371250911
Thanks yall! It was great being able to read so many different point of views, knowing you've all been where I sit right now..to chose which way is best. & I can honestly say & boldly say idk. All I kno is I want minimum pain w min. Meds...lol in a perfect world huh. I've wrote & thought on this for hours (really like since I got home from work at 5, counted the pills, 5 hrs ago & was just disgusted bc of how many I took today. It's really sad u r in pain for 1 then 2 the pain pills bring guilt, pain (eventually prob pain n a lot of areas n ur life) confusion, w.ds..needing more I mean somethings gotta give! Since my earlier post like at 545..I've been thinking..do I live w the pain or the pain plus alllll the many problems the pain meds bring too. Like I said I kno me..if there near me & I'm in pain very rarely will I try something else..the best I can do (when I have a full script) is wait a little longer to take one. So I think I've made my mind up..till at least the doc appt next week (bc I'm not gonna even think passed that anymore..this will b day to day till then) to tapper down..only take 1 to work for the dose at lunch..instead of the whole bottle (which makes me nervous ill b n bad pain n not have one, so that's a biggy for me so far) so tomorrow when I come home to write plse be praying for me that I can show myself I can resist & get over the fear its ok to b in pain..gonna go this prednisone is now working its 'magic"..at least No one on planet earth would get addicted to this crap! Good night all n Thnk u
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4522800 tn?1470325834
Great Advise from above. I know it does s**k for us to get so darn addict to substances. I have been on here long enough that there are many who suffer in PAIN way more then me. So if they can do it so can I..Do not want to get Hooked again and it will happen really easy because if I play with fire I will get burned. I do wish you the best.
Bless
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unfortunately chronic pain suffers are in a bind with should we take pills or not.  And it boils down to quality of life, and being on pills for an extended period of time is not a way to live, and before you know it addiction becomes full blown and then quality of life is worse than being in pain.  We have to give our bodies and brain time to adjust without pain pills and then evaluate the pain levels.  As for the doctors, i was going to pain management for legit pain and i was given a ridicolous amount of meds and not only the amount but the type of opiates that were prescribed to hospice patients, at the time i didn't know this, i was taking as prescribed.  Before i knew it i was dependent, that didn't last long it turned to addiction.  I was NOT completely honest with the doc but i did mention how i would go into wd's in between dosages and bam he then added oxy to my regime so i could get round the clock pain control.  At the end of the day it was me who filled the RX and me who took the pills and then it was me that abused them, so now what????  Now i am learning to live with my pain the natural way, and i do have some good days, more bad than good but i know that i cant go back to taking pills so i am still learning how to cope with life because if i continued to use pills i wouldn't be here right now.

I am sorry you are going through all of this and i feel for you i really do, but please try to evaluate your pain, and realize how powerful our brains are.  Give it a few months and see where you are on the pain scale. i wish you the best
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5347058 tn?1381188426
I wish there was an easy answer to this conundrum. Like I told you in the PM I have been through it with the pain stuff . Still am. It's a very hard thing and you walk a very fine line trying to manage it. I really hope that you can figure something out. Like Nursegirl said, it's best to be totally honest with your doctor. If you aren't, they can't treat you properly. I feel for you girl and I truly wish you the best of luck with this. I hope that you can find a way out of this cycle and still manage to get some relief. It's just a matter of toughing it out for a while til everything balances out. Hang in there and never lose sight of wanting your life back. I have faith that you'll get there.
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5082295 tn?1371250911
Yes I'm so conflicted..its just a weird thing..well a cycle & obviously one I didn't realize was one. It's hard to resist something that stops the pain, yet even knowing in ur head it won't last, in fact will get weaker in strength. I really don't want this cycle, I don't I think I'm trying to decide on my own if I need them before I take them from the doc..bc I've hinted about it being hard for me to let that safety blanket go of pain pills, so I'm kinda thinkin he said only for 2 weeks (the supply) I go.back next week so I'm going to have to ask for different things I can do w out them, but last time all the other docs  said was to rest, ice it (heat it) ibprohen for inflammation. & hopefully It'd go away. Well it didn't now I've waited so long to c the doc my nerves around it r messed up. & u can only get so much rest, as I'm sure u kno..I'm not using this as an excuse just showing u y I'm conflicted. But like u said I need to take real time completely off (bc day 10 I thought I'd kno if my pain was still n my hip & sadly I never remember the pain as bad as the w.ds so idk if I was already seeing pain improvement or focusing on the w.ds...ahh its too much to think about) but I kno all about rebounding n compounding pain from old migraines from pain meds yrs ago when I was having a lot of dental procedures..I just don't kno y I can't realize it now (guess just want the quick fix instead of the long term) but anyway..I'm gonna talk to my doc find out what's on the x ray..pray if its not anything that's gonna get worse I need another route to help this. I hate the thought I'm prolonging something that may not even b hurting. Or as bad. Thank u again..u always give me clarity when I'm talking from my pain & not reason!
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480448 tn?1426948538
Million dollar question, have you been honest with the doc about what's going on?  My guess is no, because you've verbalized already that you were hesitant to be honest with your providers because it will be forever in your record.

Just because he gave you a script doesn't mean you have to take them (or even get it filled).  I'm NOT saying not to address your pain, but something's gotta give here.  You haven't given this enough time to be able to TRULY assess your real pain level off the pain meds.  A LOT of people find that their baseline pain levels are way lower than they thought once they've been off the meds a while.  You would have to try very hard to allow yourself to be off the pain meds for a couple of months, minimum before being able to truly evaluate where you're at.  You're likely stuck in a cycle of pain, medicating, rebound pain, re-medicating, oler-medicating.  That's not going to help you in the long run and will actually exacerbate your pain issues.

IF indeed you feel you HAVE to take them, you need to have a foolproof plan in place.  You need to level with your doc and explain that you have a problem, and you want that to be noted and considered when formulating a plan to help you deal with the pain.

MY advice would be to keep trudging on, and try to get yourself off and stay off for a couple of months so you can fairly reassess your pain levels.  At THAT point, you'll be thinking much clearer and will know where you stand with the pain.  

I'm going to throw your own words back at you....they're important:

I want a future & this is NOT the one I want..

I feel for you, I'm sure it's very hard, you're conflicted, but I think you also know this just isn't the answer.  Hang in there hon!

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Well just the lastest update..the doc has now put me on the freakin norcos that ive really gotten tapered down and was at a very low dose of. I feel like even tho im on them. But as I said in another post, it scares me bc of the pain being so bad its like I almost don't care how much im taking bc the pain is so severe and I can don't get significant  relief unless im laying on a heating pad after taking a pain pill, flexril and been off my feet for an hour. Isnt this um kinda bad now? I AM SO confused!!??? & feel the guilt that I just keep taking them after they wear off. What do u do when the pain is horrific and u can get no relief except when you take a pain pill? (I just started a steroid pack last night so hoping that will help me to stop taking the pain pills so much) I know it only last about 1-2hrs, but its almost worth it, & I try to wait it out till my next dose but even then I feel bad for having to take it then. I guess bc I didn't have any and was in so much pain that now they thru me a life preserver that's gonna end up not saving me from drowning completely, just keeping my head afloat. What do I do? obviously the doc wanted me to have some 4 2 weeks till I could c him again, and Im sure he will not keep me on them (which will prolly b good bc I will prolly not take them right bc of my low tolerance for pain, high for pain meds. But this is a new doc, who spent a lot of time w me on this issue unlike EVERY1 else who just threw pills at me, said it was bursitis and didn't ask for me to even come back. I do believe this is a smart doc and I really just want some answers so I can start something other than pain pills to ease this awful pain. Any1 hear of pain management, but they didn't use narcotics? I think I have but don't remember what it consisted of...except I knew they took flexirel which I do but only at night bc the crappy way it makes me feel. Anyway letting some frustration out and letting yall know where I am..idk if he thought the tramadol wasn't working or if he was gonna do 2 different pain meds for 2 weeks. Idk im so lost now I wonna cry and scream bc Im in pain and on pain meds, yet sadly thankful I have something to take to function. That's where it becomes mucky water sadly looking back I started this conversation like 10 or so days ago & the backslide was from this hip pain that returned...how do u ever know if that's what you need?? if a doc says yes sometimes & no sometimes for the exact same thing??
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Thanks to all of you..& ariley thank u for sharing what happened to you. Yes that's exactly how I feel..kinda damned if u do damned if u don't feeling. But I do remember one time I ran out for a week & the pain wasn't so bad..it was the w.ds I was focusing on. I kno that has to be true bc I've seen it, but its like a little kid not wanting to let go of the side of the pool & swim even tho they have made it into the water already. Ahh its all so overwhelming, n confusing. Think my mind & body r so disconnected right now. Well that def are! All I want is this hip pain to stop & be able to enjoy my life like a 20 something woman should..but I will I'm not giving up either way. I want so much outta this life giving up isn't an choice anymore. Im going to continue to pray & kno this will all pass & I can find other ways to heal & treat this pain..where I will find that & when is my only road block for now! Thanks again!
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Sorry about not giving you the correct title, its called, POLL..Everyones Opinion Please  

Its on the front page of this forum. I don't know how to give you a link, if you look down the list I'm sure you'll find it my friend..

Good luck, ;)
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I know what you're saying about the pain issue. I suffer from pain every single day. Some days are tolerable, and every once in a while I have a day so bad that I can't get out of bed. I can't tell you what to do about this, but I can share my experience. I was on Vicodin for almost a year and a half after a very bad car wreck. I got to the point where I was at the max dose for the Vicodin and it wasn't controlling my pain. I was either going to have to quit all together, or jump up to a stronger opiate. I am 33 years old and I will be dealing with this injury for the rest of my life. I thought about it and decided it was time to quit and at least give myself enough time to truly evaluate my pain. If I went on to some stronger drug, then it would just be a vicious cycle. What would I do in a year when that med stopped working? Does this sound familiar? I want for you to do a little research on opiate induced hyperalgesia. This is basically when your mind tricks your body into thinking you are in a lot more pain than you actually are just so you will take more and more pills. I can tell you that this is a very real condition. I have been off of them for a little over 3 months and I have less pain now than when I was taking the Vicodin. The more time that you put between you and the opiates, the less pain you will have. I'm not saying that you will never have pain. Like I said I hurt every single day. I have just focused my efforts on finding alternate ways to treat and manage this pain. I'm not saying you, or I, or anyone for that matter will never need another opiate again. That's not necessarily realistic. All I am saying is don't think that you can't live without the opiates without first giving it a fair shot. It's so easy to get into the mentality that you just can't possibly live and function without them. You have to change that kind of thinking. I know that you can do this. Please just give it a fair shot. I am so sorry to be long winded. I just really can relate to the way you feel. I felt like that for a long time. I am here for you my friend.
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Pain just *****, believe me i know all to well, but taking meds for the rest of your life is not an option.  Allot of the pain your feeling is rebound pain and not to mention that your brain is trying to tell you that your in more pain than you think you are.  As addicts we hate to wait, but time is of the essence here, give it sometime and you will begin to feel better.  Pamper yourself, take baths, relax, cuddle up with a nice book, ice and heat work well too.  Hang in there, it s so worth it....
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5082295 tn?1371250911
where do I find that?
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You should read up on VICourageous's thread about alternative options for pain, very informative. Hope your not having to much of a difficult time my friend. Hang in there!!!
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not to good I guess...idk better than yesterday but im still wondering what is the best option for me bc im always in pain so its either not function right & be in pain all the time or take pain meds which will eventually not work. Yet as ive said I don't want to rely on them anymore, but what other alternative do I have??
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Whats Up??? How is it going?
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