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buprenex/suboxone

please share with me your experiances with the new drug suboxone. ive been on it now for a month. iwas on injectable buprenex for two years and was very excited to have a alternative from the needles. im not sure if i like it or if im doing it corectly. i was on 4 ampules a day before and now im taking 1/2 of a 8mg suboxone three times a day, i tried just taking one tablet in the morning but i found i need something later on in the day so thats when i started doing three times a day. i would like to stop al together but i dont no how to do it and if its possible. i forgot what it was like to be drug free. i started on buprenex originally to ger of a 20 t0 25 a day loret habit for the second time. i was thre a in hopital detox for that already once and im thinking about it again to get off this stuff. sont get me wrong bup has been a god send but you cant do this for ever. PLEASE I NEED SOME FEEDBACK
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Hi there, I'm a little confused / worried.  I was thinking of suboxone as a short term tool to get off the lorcet...looks like you've been on it for quite a while..am i just fooling myself and on the brink of trading one deamon for another?????  Does the suboxone stop the cravings for opiates just because it's a high all on its own or has it actually helped you function w/o any "high". (not that i ever get to feel that way anymore)By the way..I do remember what it feels like to be drug-free..and compared to this, it was pretty damn good!!! I recall having a clear conscious and sometimes feeling happy for no reason at all!!!  Hang in there..we will be there again!!!
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its not really like you are trading one deamon for another its like your trading your deamon for his kid brother.you wont believe it that you can switch from the lorcets to the either buprenex or suboxone. you need to look on the web site for suboxone and they will have doctors for you to go to depending on where you live and they will explain how it works. but there is no high which is good and it does demisnish your cravings. after a few weeks on this and then you can decide if you want to quit.you can then start to ween off of this it is worth it. give it a try   good luck
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My husband did a bup detox and in his situation it was a god send.  He had a heavy oxycotin habit and needed pain relief and withdrawal relief.  He worked closely with the doctor and kept the dose very low.  He was maintained at this low dose for about three months and then was able to stop all together, no withdrawal from the bup.  He feels great now and I am so proud of him.  I really do not think he would have came this far without it.  Last december he was at his bottom with the addiction and mangage to climb his way out.   I really think if he had not had a bridge with the withdrawal he would be using still.  My point is that you need to find a good doc and work together on it.  The dose and length of time really depends on the individual person.  Good luck!  Pamela
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Geeesh Pammy, what a great story!!!

Not being over "there" very much, i wasn't sure where your hubby was at..........but now i know.

Thanks For That!!!

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Pamster,

I have to agree with percs. I wasn't "on" very much to track or find out the results.
It is so great to hear things are looking way up from last time we heard on the issue.
I hope you are doing great as well.
Chezz
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Hey Pammy!
It is good to hear that you guys are doing well! Great Job!

Hey.. I was wondering about another person that use to be around.  Have you heard from Mr.Pinapple lately?

Peace,
MethMan
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How long do you keep the subu under your tongue dissolving wihtout swollowing?
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hey there

are you on suboxone and if so haow long and how much? i break a 8mg in half and three times a day i just put in under my tounge but first i break that in half and just let it dissolve. i dont worry about swallowing as it dissolves pretty fast. tell me about your experiance with the drug. do you like it?what are you coming off of to use this?  looking for you response
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I'm not on it yet.  Have read tons and talked to an addiction doc about starting.

I asked the question b/c you are among the very few that state the problems.  I was curious if you were not holding under your tongue for the full 12 plus minutes.  It does not enter the bloodstream well from the digestive tract at all.  Don' know why, but the time under the tongue I understand is critical.  I will be coming off 100+ mg of fentanyl.
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good morning.

with the tablet under the tounge it dissolves pretty fast with me. i would say 5 mins its all gone. dont worry ablut that as that is a non issue it works believe me. the only problem is that it has a horrible taste like this orange bitter that lingers on your tounge for about an hour. food doesn't tast good for awhile but every thing returns back again.you said that i was one of a few that has responded about this srug which suprises me. im sure there are many people on it now,but im hoping more will participate on this thread soon.i think i like it okay but it does give you a feeling,not a high or anything like that but a feeling non the less. i cant explain any more you have to experiance for your self. its not a bad feeling either but not a good one hard to explain.what is the drug you take for i never heard of it. is it a naracotic?
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please help me here. comparing methadone to buprenex. which is harder to get off? and is bup's withdrawal less than lets say vicoden or percecet? im wondering if the w/d's are as bad including the rls and all
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Methadone withdrawal is lighter in intensity and longer in duration compared to all other opioids.  Methadone withdrawal or detox is a long, drawn-out process.  Methadone is stored in the body's tissues to the extent that levels in the tissues are higher than in the blood.  And, being that it is stored, it takes a while to come out.  That is why if a person abruptly stops methadone, the willies won't come on for at least 24 to 36 hours.  Sometimes, it is much longer.  It can be over 100 hours for a person on a stable, blocking dose of methadone.  Methadone is the only opioid to have that distinction.  And, it is a reason it is so feared by many.  I hear buprenorphine has a mild kick.  The symptoms are that of a mild morphine abstinence syndrom (syndrome).
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Thanks for your coments Methman, Percs, and Chezz on Rips progress.  It has been about a week and a half since he had his last dose.  He kept waiting to feel sick and just never did.  I do not have any suggestions on the suboxone tabs since hubby did IM bup right at the docs office or his sister who is a nurse gave it to him.  It was a pain to go to the docs office all the time but worth it for him to get off.  I am so proud of him.  The people that were here in Dec remember that he made a sucide attempt before entering an inpatient detox, where they started the treatment with the Bup.  

As for me I am still taking hydros as needed which isn't as much since my last surgury.  I take about two a day one in the AM and one before bed.  I have a dislocated jaw which is in the process of being repaired.  Two hydros a day is a far cry from where I was snorting oxys everyday.  This forum really helped me and my husband look at life differently.  I have met some great people here too.  Well enough bout me...  Pamela
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im very happy to hear about your husband.i once was finnishd with bup thru a tapper down process. when i stopped i to didnt feel sick but i was terribly week and depressed for about 10 days has you husband felt that way and how much and how long was he on the bup.we live in so fl. and we are able to take our meds home with us
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No he really didn't!  HE has been preparing for this time for a while.  He increase his exercise and improved his diet and is taking vitimns.  He was on the bup for about three months at the lowest dose 2mg I believe.  Whenever he would try to quit the oxys before he would have terrible depression and withdraws.  This really helped both of us!  Good luck to you!  Pamela
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Pam,

I am so happy to hear things are going so much better for you guys. Especially that your husband is FULLY off of all the meds. I am sure that has taken a lot of pressure and distraction from your marriage. It also sounds like it has helped you to lower your intake of hydro's.
I am just so happy it all has worked out so well for you guys.
I was pretty worried and wondered about him especially since the last I really heard was after the SAttempt and prior to entering detox.
It is going to be a great summer for the two of you and that is so nice to know.
Sincerely,
Chezz
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ehy to go. i am happy to finnally talk to someone who is also doing this. may i ask,what part of the country do you live and how much money is it costing you. i still get those cold sweats from this as if im in withdrawals.i used bup/injections for 2 years and now im off the shots and on the pill about 12 mgs i use 4mgs three times a day but my dr says to use all in the morning but you know as a n addict we like to dose ourselves.seems i need it during the day. i also get sleepy from this as i did bup kinda like i want to nod out. also try to take a dump yu know how that goes.i know im gonna have a good day after i took a good dump in the morning ha. made you laugh
well ill check later to see if you answered  keep it up
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Thanks for your comments!  We are doing really well!  Recently we bought a new house closer to my parents. We are in the process now of making it a home by remodeling and painting. Both of us are happy at work.  I really think the main reson that we are doing so much better isn't just because we ended the abuse but because we have been in counseling twice a week since Dec.  We have a great counselor who has worked with us to sort out everything so that we could end the abuse and negative pattern of behavior we were in.  I think if someone is thinking about using Bup or Suboxone for detox you should really get some type of counseling.  That way you can get to the root of why you use in the first place.  That is a hard question to ask yourself.  Once you do find the answer then you can make changes and start to heal.  Pamela
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Hi there!  
To answer your question, I live in nw pennsylvania.  Where are you from?  I am extremely grateful that my health insurance through my job covers my meds and my office visits.  90 2mg suboxone pills are around $500 i'm told, (which was my first persription).  My insurance co-payment was $35.  I hope that down the road my insurance provider doesn't decide to stop paying for it.  
From my experience, I think you'd be better off listening to your doctor and taking it all in the morning.  I think this may be why you feel you are in withdrawl (withdrawal).  It doesn't sound like you are though if you are having side effects like sweating and constipation.  I take all 12 mg of mine in the morning spread over like 1-2 hours.  I have tried spacing the dosing and it seems that it works better taking the doses closer together.  give it a shot.  I think the cold sweats you get are similar to the ones that i got when i was on methadone.  I believe that they were caused from my dose being to high initially amd narcotics do have a tendency to have that side effect.  Ofcourse I don't know how you feel so it's hard for me to say.  Just my opinion.
I have a question for you.  How were you able to be perscribed buprenex as an injectable?  Did you have to go for an office visit to get these shots?  I was under the impression that that could only be persribed for pain and not for addiction, and that until oct. of 2002 and the fda approval of suboxone was illegal for a doctor to perscibe opaites to a patient for addiction.  I have heard of buprenex being used in a detox setting for addicts and that's about it.  Another question.  Have you abused anything while you were on the suboxone?  I understand that this could possibly cause withdrawl (withdrawal) because of the naltrexone present in suboxone.  Also, how long have you been on the suboxone and how high of a dose were you on of the buprenex?  I'm thinking maybe you might be having slight withdrawl (withdrawal) symptoms because you were used to getting the buprenex without the naltrexone.  Just curious.  
Maybe we can work out a way to chat through some other means if your interested.  Let me know.
Take care all!
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Hey people!  I'm new to this forum and just thought i'd share my experience and opinions towards suboxone.  I have been an opiate addict for 7 years.  Pretty much daily use and ofcourse my tolerance to opiates has increased during that time.  I was on methadone, (never exceeded 70 mg/day), for almost 3 years until this past summer.  i did an inpatient detox in a hospital for five days and a 30 day program following that.  I started using again in the fall, and my tolerance was right back to where it was before rehab, if not higher.  I have, as many of us addicts have, researched for the (miracle cure) that may lie out there.  I would like to say that complete abstinence is my long term goal.  Two weeks ago I made an appointment with a doctor to discuss the possibility of subutex/suboxone.  I have to admit, I canceled my first appointment trying to stay clean on my own which lasted for about 2 days.  I regret canceling that appointment but thank God that I scheduled the following week in case I was having problems.  (I could have saved a ton of $$$...lol)  I can laugh now.  Suboxone has been a GODSEND for me.  It is very unlike methadone and other opiates.  With methadone, you do get a bit of euphoria for a while.  It does wear off the longer you are on it, but it was always there for me.  I slept alot when I was on methadone after about 6 months of being on it.  I personally do not recommend methadone as a first option.  Suboxone is nothing like this at all!  I have to agree with hairysoda and with her analogy of, "trading your demon for his kid brother".  I chuckled at that!  You are still on a narcotic medication, but it is not euphoric at all.  Suboxone does what it's supposed to do, decreases cravings.  I can best describe it as this.  I have the similar energy that i get when I'm using opiates, (probably the main reason us opiate addicts use), but, without the euphoria, which I am not interested in anymore.  I am not depressed like I was when I was using and while on methadone.  Anyone interested in suboxone to get high shouldn't waste their's or their doctors time!  I didn't use for 2 days before my first dose of suboxone because of the fear of worse withdrawl (withdrawal) than i was already experiencing.  My doctor started my induction of suboxone 4 mg the first day, 8 the second day, and am now on a dose of 12mg.  My doctor told me of the other 4 patients he has on this, the average dose is 16 mg.  I feel great where I'm at dose wise and don't see the need to go any higher at this time.  I will keep you posted.  I've had very mild side effects such as minor tension headaches and difficulty falling  asleep, but these seemed to dissapear over the weekend.  Anyone interested in suboxone should not concern themselves with what dose they might be on, rather on the lack of withdrawl (withdrawal) symtoms (symptoms).  I know it's hard for us addicts to do this!  Well, this has become a book, but I am just so dam happy I thought I'd share my experience.  I am willing to answer any questions that you may have, and would also like to hear from anyone that has been on this.  I'm just thankful that this finally got fda approval, and am sure it will help many addicts toward recovery.  So far, so good.
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Just thought of another thing.  I'm sure you were told by your doctor to mot swallow the pills right?  Well, when I put the pills, (2 at a time), under my tounge, i try not to move my mouth around so as not to produce alot of saliva.  I'm just guessing that this will make the suboxone absorbe into the body much better than if your mouth salivates alot and you swallow the saliva.  To me this just makes common sense.  I was told by my doctor and through doing research that suboxone enters your body better sublingually than orally, plus that the naltrexone is not as easily absorbed sublingually as it is orally.  I've seen this in a few places.  I don't know if it's true, but I've had better results since doing what I've explained above.  Give that a shot.  (no pun intended)...lol
Good luck!
p.s  If you've been addicted for a while, remember that this is going to take some time.  Don't be in such a hurry to get off this.  I know sobriety is important to u, and it is to me, but, I'm not going to screw up for the 100th time because I want to end my substance abuse problem that has taken me 7 years to fine tune.  Take it easy!  Healing takes time.
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So, if I want to go off methadone for good, I go on subooxone-and,walla, instant cure? I take methadone for pain,but every once in a while I run into the problem of not being to fill them, because it is TOO soon. And that's my own fault-cause I took too many. Once my doctor went on vacation without telling me-and I couldn't get my script. The rest is history.I am tired of living of fear of this happening. (I always end up in the hospital) But if I detox with suboxone,I don't have to have the same fear??I will be able to control pain with the suboxone??What is the suboxone withdrawl (withdrawal) like?? And do I just ask my general practioner about it?? Are their any doctors you know on line that would help with suboxone? I live in the boonies, and I wouldn't be surprised if our docs havn't heard of suboxone.
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I understand your concern because I lived it. I would leave work without permission just to make sure I got to my doctor's office before he took off for the day...My life revolved around getting my scripts.

I got curious and wrote the FDA concerning  buprenorphine just before I started my recovery program. They sent me back this link.

This page has everything there is to know about the drug. Who can take it, how to take it, chemical makeup, who can prescribe it, information for doctors...it is the do all know all sheet about this drug directly from the people that approved it for use here in the states (the FDA) Copy and paste the following line into your browser line and it will take you right to the page.

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/subutex_suboxone/default.htm

I hope this helps all of you!
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Hi.  Well I am on the end of my second day on subox.  The first day was really rough, but it keeps getting better, so far.  If it continues to get better, I may join the small crowd of those singing the praises.  I definitely had w/d's the first day.  I laid in be a lot.  Tonight, other than a migraine, I feel pretty good.  Coming off of 100mcg fentanyl duragesic, that's pretty good, I think.  Those patches were starting to drive me nuts, every minute, checking to see how stuck on or not it was.

Hope all are well.  I'm still freezing a lot.  Hopefully that will change.  I think the RAAD detox really permanantly damaged me a lot.
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well, i have been on suboxone for 2 weeks now.  i just want to say that i feel absolutely great!  the minor side effects i was having like headaches, (especially in the morning when i woke up), have went away for the most part.  i have no cravings, i have a ton of energy, and have no depression like i usually had when using.  

i would like to state a few FACTS.  doctors were granted permission 3 years ago to treat addiction in this manner and it's a joke that the fda waited till the dead line, (3 years), to approve this drug.  how many lives were ruined or ended because of the fda dragging their feet.  also, just so people know the facts, the dea can take this valuable drug from us if they see a potential for abuse or see the drug being diverted illegally.  suboxone is still being evaluated.  i certainly hope this doesn't happen.  i'm glad us addicts are put in our place.  we certainly need that! (sarcasm).  it's about time we are seen as patients and not just junkies.
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Glad you are doing so well.  Can you tell about your progess and dosages over the past two weeks?  I am ending day four, and each day gets better.  I still awaken freezing and sweating, but get better after about an hour.  Maybe I should split dose toward the evening to awaken better?
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what's up?  hope you are starting to feel better day by day.  i know i am.  i think u mentioned you were withdrawing from fentanyl.  fentanyl has a pretty hard withdrawl (withdrawal) i've noticed.  especially if eaten.  it make take a while for you to get stabilized on the suboxone.  
in my opinion, u are probably better off taking one dose in the morning instead of splitting it.  that's what i noticed for me atleast.  
as for my dosages over the past 2 weeks, my first day taking it i took 4 mg/day, and then was stabilized on 12mg/day.  just beginning last friday i decided to go up to 16 mg.  i really don't think i'm going to need to go any higher than that.  
i'm not a doctor, but the sweating and freezing you are having sounds like your are still having some bit of withdrawl (withdrawal).  doesn't really sound like a side effect.  has that gotten better as the days go by?  as for side effects, the only bothersome one for me is constipation, which i am kind of used to from being on methadone.  i think it's a little worse than when on methadone.  i told this to my doctor and he said he will perscribe something for me.  i have been on a syrup called enulose for that while i was on methadone, and am taking docusate sodium 100mg/day right now that i had from before.  i think the enulose is to harsh.  what side effects are you having if any?
if you are interested in chatting a bit about this, scroll up above this post to an earlier one i posted with an email address.  from there we can possibly find an easier way to comunicate if your interested.  i don't really know anyone else on this.  i am only the 4th person in my city to be perscribed suboxone, and did a interview with the local newspaper about it a few days ago.  i just want to get the word out about this to any one who might need this.
take care.
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wow!!! i can really speak with other bup. folks. hello everyone and this is my story. i became very addicted to opiates in viet nam in 1970-71 while serving in the army. i am 51 almost 52.in the 70s and 80s i did methadone. i always wanted more and bought it from other patients. i have had alot of overdoses and should not be alive. i have been on suboxone for about 50 days. i have no urges and do not get high. it is a Godsend for me and my family. i agree that it is a feeling not good or bad. i can feel it do something.it seems 10mgs.under tonge is the same as 12 for me. thank God my insurance and script plan covers it. it should have been approved long ago. if i here of anyone trying to black market i will be angry. opiate addicts are good people with a disease. i still go to na aa but need bup. i do not even worry about detox. anything is better than methadone. that was invented by one of hitlers doctors fyi. thanks jeff peace
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Heya Curtisman!

I'm currently putting together a site that deals specifically with Buprenorphine [Suboxone] use for Detox, Maintenance, and also Buprenex as a pain med for those who cannot (or CHOOSE not to) take Morphine or Oxycontin. If you wish to get on the mailing list, please send me an E-mail at: ***@****

For anyone else here that is interested in the new exclusively Buprenorphine board, you may e-mail me at: ***@****

I'm looking forward to getting a handful of people posting their experiences with this recently-approved med so we may help others who are trying to make a choice for maintenance, detoxing, or pain management.

Thanks Everyone!
Jesse
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Hello All! I'm new to the mix and I'm hoping to get some positive input on buprenex/suboxone(?). I've got a nasty habit and I'm tired of it controling my life! I've tried SEVERAL times to quit but when I get into my second or third day of cold turkey and the physical withdrawls (nausea,vomiting,stomach cramps etc.) start to go away, my brain is telling me to get out and find some drugs. I CAN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT IT. That's when the anexity sets in BIG TIME! I just sit and space out and get sadder and sadder about the fact that I don't have anything to give me a little buzz. I don't care if I even get a buzz I just want a little something flowing through my blood system and I'd be content! I'm sad and it effects all those around me. At one time in my life(5 or 6 yrs. ago) I didn't need the stuff like I do now. I was happy and full of spunk. I'm gonna cut this short for now and get to my point.....I understand that after so many years(23 to be exact) the endorphans(?) in the brain burn out and the **** and vinegar in a person is gone.  does the buprenex
stuff help me get through this loss of energy and the want to just lay down and die? What do I do to get started on such a program?  I don't have any medical insurance. I'm open for any suggestions. In the mean time, I'll continue to answer the demons and EAT THE MEDICINE when I can find it.
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There have been a few very successful stories regarding the use of Suboxone here-- Just need a litlle INFO from you, 1979, if you don't mind!

You didn't mention what TYPE of drugs you are abusing: I'll assume that whatever you are on is in the opiate class of narcotics. So, what type of Drugs are you on, and how much, and for how long. That information will really help the people on the board who have similar stories to yours-- Help them help you!

Good luck!
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Thanks for the quick response! It's nice to know someone out there is REALLY LISTENING!  My drugs of choice are Tylenol 3-vicoden-vicoden ES-Percodan-oxycodone-oxycontin-ms contin and the likes of these.  I've been doing this for 23 years and I'm not in control(take it or leave it) like I use to be. Or maybe I was never in control. I don't know.
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It was invented by one of the doctors working when Hitler was in power because the allies cut off the opium supply.  They needed something for pain for the troops.  There isn't anything "nazi like" or evil about it, as you seem to be implying.  It is a shame it was such a bad experience for you.  Many a life has been saved by it.  That goes for addicts and pain patients alike.  You seem to be a crusader for not diverting bup.  That is a frame of mind you should have had while on the methadone as well.
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Hello Everybody! I am new to this forum. I have been reading thru a few of these questions/answers and I wish I had known about this years ago.

I am in recovery now, with the help of Subutex. I have been fighting my addict for about 10 years. I did have a six year sober time, but I fell down again on September 11, 2001. I woke up from a surgery and found the "State of our Nation." Not only was this hard to understand, but my husband was also informing that he had gotten word that he had been re-activated back into the Navy. My entire world just started spinning and my new friend Morphine was there to make everything all better.

Before I started taking Subutex for my addiction to Vicoden and Soma, I found myself in a lot of trouble. I had been arrested for the first time for forging a false prescription. I am 36 and have never been in trouble with the law. I now have charges in two states. (I live on the border of Idaho and Washington.) I am scared out of my mind. I have two little girls 5 and 3 years old. I do not want to have to leave them. Any advise?  

I am in my second week of taking 16mg of Subutex. And I'm doing pretty good. I still do not have the energy I had when taking the Vicoden and Soma, but I do not have any cravings. I was taking up to 75 - 10/325 Hydrocodone's and 20 - 350/mg Soma's a day. And no one new I was addicted again. Not even my husband.  My doctor and counselor have been great. They've known me since my first in-house treatment center in 1994. Of course I didn't get it the first time or the second or the third! I was finally ready to admit I had a problem and I really wanted to get help on my 4th visit in 1995. I had to divorce my husband of 13 years if I wanted to LIVE and stay clean. He is a doctor and loved to party, cheat and beat me.

Thank you everyone for your great insite and help. I never used AA or NA, it just didn't work for me. Too small of a town, most people are there court ordered.

Has anyone had a good report for taking Subutex? I think it is the same as Suboxone but it doesn't have one of the components.

Take Care and God Bless! Thanks again!

Jacquie - Cruella is the name I have given to my addict. I have two dalmation dogs that helped me through this nightmare the first time.
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Good Morning--I too have been fighting the Hydrocodone beast for many years--Anyway I really don't have any experience with buprenex but I know many on this board that do! Please post higher up on the board even if your question or comment doesn't pertain to the topic--Some people don't scroll down this far and just think they are all old threads--I didn't want you to think no one would answer you--Good luck You are in my prayers Peace-Mystere/ AKA New Olreans Lady (office Computer)
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Hey, I've been on Suboxone for three years now and my doctor just went to jail for defrauding medicare. I've weened myself down to half of an 8mg pill three or sometimes two times a day. I need to get off this medicine. I mean, it really has saved my life. I was on heroin for four years and the Suboxone took away every bit of my want and need for it, but enough is enough. I'm not gonna stay on this stuff for the rest of my life. Every time I asked my doctor about getting some anti-cramping-anti-convolsives, etc. to try to get me off of it he would always say that if I waited just another couple of years then a new medicine would be on the market to take me off. This is bullshit. I mean, it has truly been a miracle. I haven't had a single relapse in three years! But I mean, I can't stand getting mild dope sickness every day when I haven't had any dope for three goddamn years... Now I've read this whole forum and now I'd like to ask, with the utmost sense of urgency(I stopped taking it last night), does ANYONE KNOW OF ANY TYPES OF OVER-THE-COUNTER MEDICINES THAT WILL HELP EASE MY SUFFERING?!?!? I need suggestions, because right now I'm just taking tylenol and smoking herb, but I imagine that that will not be enough soon. Any ideas....please?
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Hi... I have question about Temgesic 0.2 mg pils.
I'm on 40 mg of Methodone, But I like to get off of methodone .
How many Temgesic I need to not have WD simptoms?
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I've been on methadone for 2 years and since I started it, it did the job of pain relief but now I can't stop and cutting down on my own doesn't get far since the pills are right there when I get bad enough withdrawls.  I was only on 30mgs per day and got down to 25 then I started cramping and major back pain so I took more to stop it.  The detox place here will only take people who take 30mgs daily or less and use buprenorphine for the first 4-5 days followed by suboxone for 3 weeks.  I know what the withdrawls feel like and being near the top of the border line because I also take 30mgs of hydrocodone per day I'm concerned about getting full blown withdrawls because they told me if I'm taking more than 30mgs per day of methadone the buprenorphine won't do its job and I'll be in excruciating withdrawls so I'm scared and worried about what to do because I want my life back.  The only other options are slow taper and with methadone that means being hungry, shaking, not eating, having nightmares, etc until your off it and this takes from what I've been told around 6-8 weeks to get off it drug free (no buprenorphine or suboxone).  I don't think I can take that kind of punishment given what I've been through with my chronic pain, which has gotten better the last 2 months and thats why I want my life back and know what its like to feel normal again.  So.  HAS ANYONE been in this kind of spot and can you give me your educated opinion please because the depression and alcohol abuse has gotten out of hand and I can't even work much less make myself a meal sometimes because I live alone so its very tough to get out of bed and live.  Is trading one demon for another worth it in this circumstance and getting off the suboxone from what I've heard here isn't nearly as hard as gettting off the methadone but I'm concerned about only a 3 week treatment with suboxone but mabey thats the case with only 25-30 mgs of methadone + hydro.  Anyone with experience please help me if you can....   Thank you much
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You may not get many responses on this thread.. it was begun in 2003.. due to format changes with the site these threads are now open but don't really get read due to the date..

They are right about being on less than 30mgs.. The Sub will put you into withdrawl (withdrawal) almost immediately if you are not on less than 30mgs..You also have to wait 48-72 hours at least between your last meth dose and your Sub dose..
3 weeks is really the perfect amount of time.. Its enough to get the meth out of your system but not so long that you get addicted to the Sub.. which happens to alot of people who try to do this on their own..
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I have been taking Suboxone for about 3 weeks. For anyone out there considering Suboxone as treatment. It is worth it for sure. I feel great. As far as cost, I live in TN. My First day of induction cost 250.00 and then I had to pay about 50.00 for 3 days worth of medication. I went back the next day and it cost me 250.00. I got a weeks prescription and returned the following friday morning. They only charged me 50 for that visit and a script for another week. I do not have to return for around a month.  I did get accepted into a program the the maker of Suboxone offers and starting Monday of next week I get all my Suboxone for free. Thats 60- 8mg pills per month. They send them to the docs office and I go pick them up. NO CHARGE!!! FREE!!!! There are certain requirements that you have to meet, but their not too strict.  The doctor can only have 1 patient on this program at a time. I was lucky to the first patient treated on SUB by this doctor.  ALL in ALL I love SUBOXONE. It has saved my life. I dont even think about VICS anymore. Thats all I used to think about before getting this treatment.  GO to needymeds.com to get the application. You can search the site and find out everything about the program. Thanks
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I have been on 4mg if suboxone for two weeks and am tapering down to 2mgs today. I will be on two mg for five days then nothing. What if any withdrawal will I experience coming of of the suboxone.l have to get off because I was taking benzos for anxiety for 15 years and could not stand the bezo withdrawal. Thank you.
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Does anyone know if any Doc's allow one to be on suboxone and a low dose of klonopin. All I take is 1mg a day but have been taking them for over ten years.I have tried many times to get off the bezo's but after a week of off them I get severe panic attacks. It is not withdrawal but the panic attacts starting all over again. I was hooked on pers on and of for years and the Suboxone even at this low dose has been a godsend. I did not get caught using bezo s by my doctor. I went in when it was time to refill my suboxone and told him. The main problem seems to be that the outpatient treatment will not allow me to continue while on Klonopin. The doctor has explained the big worry when it comes to benzo s and suboxone is someone injecting benzo's. thank you
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My girlfriend started taking suboxone on 9-9-07. I cant tell you how proud of her I am. Although I wonder if she had of been given Subutex the first day or so, if she would not have had to go through those first couple days of hell. Not to worry though, as most of that has passed and she really has come alive. She seems to do better in the evening with her best time of day being from about 6pm- 10pm.
I will tell you it was tough though I would say the first 2 days were the worst. She was very, very weak and the worst symptoms were probably the hot and cold flashes, the weakness and the gitters from the Suboxone. I had to get in the shower with her when she was finally able to attempt it and I washed her, her hair and all. she did have to sit on the floor most of the shower. Now, her strength, her spirit, her drive, her appetite...everything, all her scenses are coming alive. Each day gets better and better. I must say though I have read a lot and thought a lot about the whole dosing of the suboxone and I came up with my own way of trying it. The reason is her goal is to get off all meds totally; including the suboxone so she is weining off of it as well while getting off the meds she was taking prior to the suboxone. With that said, she was taking approx. 15 (average) Roxicodone 30mg a day, average at times with the Roxi, 4 oxycontin 80mg a day. So, needless to say, I am so proud of her.
If anyone has questions please ask. I am no expert but I am very in tune with my girls recovery and what she is going through. I would also ad that she is also taking xanax 0.25mg as needed during this phase. her plan is to be off it all by 9-21-07. So...wish us luck. You all will be in our thoughts as well. We have been reading (not posting) on this forum for a while now and have learned so much here. Thank you. We wish you all the best as well.
Chase & Christy
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Im kinda confused, is she still taking Roxicodone and oxycontin while taking the suboxone?
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that is great.... so sweet of you to do all that... keep her to her taper... people who stay on Sub longer than short term can get stuck on it... and that is no fun..

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Starting tomorrow, scared to stop but scared to keep going on the way I am. I know it's going to be hard to wait until the best possible moment to take the sub, but don't want to convince myself that my withdrawal is worse than it is and hurt myself. Any support would be appreciated, I need my life back. I have lost so much and hopefully I can get some back, but I have to just worry about taking care of myself before I worry about my family / friends who were affected. Nobody knows but me, no support system. Need a few words of encouragement please tell me your stories neg or pos.

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I am in your boat, doc put me on 2mg of subx but haven't filled them yet, scared too...let me know how it is going..

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The original thread you posted on is 4 years old. Go to the main page and either start your own question or post on the thread that was started today. These old posts get overlooked most of the time since the date is so old.. There is alot of good info on the site from its members about the right way and the wrong way to take sub.
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It's Chase here. Christy is still going good and I started on Friday. It Fxxxxxxx Sucks. I want to quit and I try and try and get a headache and fight and a hot shower and fight and gice up and fight what the?????????????Help!
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I don't understand why you both felt so bad while on Sub??  YOu really should not be feeling any withdrawls while on it.. I took it for 10 days and worked full time the entire time I was on it.
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I really dont know either. she did good, but It doesnt seem to be very effective for me. Perhaps I dont take enough. I am hanging in there. Good luck and thank you to all
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Keep hanging on.  It will get better. YOu could try upping the dose a little if you really feel that its that you are not taking enough..  Be careful though.. Did you guys get some clonidine??
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Nope. No Clonodine. Just most everything from the thomas recipe and its has been difficult taking it because of little fod intake for me. She, however is doing much better, eating ok, drinking ok, but when she started I was still using and able to care for her alot better. I also gave her b-12 shots which helped a lot. I am not taking the suboxone as of this am. I dont think its good for my b/p. So, I am taking very small doses of the meds, and wiening off. very litle to build energy, eat and take the vitamens. Seems to be working better for me. I plan to quit it altogether asap. who knows it may work. I feel like it is. I have a much better outlook and feel the prognosis will be better. let's hope so as she said she will leave me if i dont get it right.She says she fels i am doing much better this way so well have to wait and see. Thanks so much.
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I got to the doc Monday at 2.  I've been on Norcos for 4 1/2 years now.  I finally have to stop.  Running out of money and just want to be 'normal' and myself again.  I'm scared cuz I am prescribed the Norco because I have server back problems.  But I will worry about that later I need to get off.  But now I am terrified because I have to go through withdrawal starting Sunday and I dont want to go through that hell again.  The doc says go through for 24 hours do you think I can go though like 18 horus and still be ok to start sub?
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Also can I take some sleeping aids (ativan, valium) etc to take to help with the withdrawal?  ANyone know?
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i would say you would be fine to take your last dose on sunday night, you wont be too sick...but you have to be somewhat into the withdrawals or he wont give you the meds...you should repost your question to start your own thread...you may not get many answers here, this thread is a little outdated...go to the bottom of the page,and click on go back to forum, then go to the top of the page and click on post a question...
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ive been on suboxone for 2 weeks, coming off 15+ perc 10 a day. Ive had no w/d at all. i actually feel normal for the first time in many years. It is a little hard to sleep, but over the counter sleep aids help. When that doesnt work i take ambien. all in all suboxone is the ticket
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im on my second month of subs...theyre great!!!!  i was taking 30-40 hydros a day at the end...havent wanted one since my first dose of subutex.....Im like you pogobth, it is very hard to sleep all night, but i dont want to take anything else, so im just dealing with it. Good luck to all!!!! You can get off the opiates, if i did...
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i was on suboxone for over a year i finally got off of it and i relapsed two weeks later im now 5 days clean my advice to anyone who wants to get off of it , just do it its exspensive as hell and it just prolongs the inevitable your just replacing one thing with another i wouldnt recomend anyone to start suboxone treatment!
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I've been on Suboxone for 6 days.  tonight i took 90 mg of morphine.  Am i screwed or should i just skip my Sub dose tonight and start again in the morning?  Please help, i want to get back on schedule but am afraid if i take the Sub i will have crazy withdrawals.  Please help.
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Hi there,

Maybe you should post your own post this is so old.

Anyways not sure about the morphine, I'm on suboxone now for 12 weeks now on 1mg from 10mg I wouldn't take anything else but that is MY opinion.
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did the morphine actually work? i thought u would just pee it out without feeling anything?
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Well, Ive been on Subutex since April 29th...not May 8th...looked at the wrong bottle yesterday...LOL. OOPS! Well anyways, a few days now, short of one month. I decided to not take them anymore and the only symptom I feel is RLS. Mostly at night, because Im just layin there probably. I hope they dont get worse! I was only on the 2mg tablets and during my first 10 days...I took 12mg the first day of detox...and went down everyday since. I jumped off at a half of a 2mg tab...so 1mg (i guess). Im thinkin maybe I should have finished the last 6 maybe?? I dont know. I just didnt want to become addicted to this drug too. I was on a 20 a day Norco habit 10mg/325 for over 2 years. This medicine has SAVED MY LIFE. It helped me change my daily habits, and let me see without my foggy glasses on. It gave me a 2nd chance at life, and while detox, I was up and about feeling great. I still have 6 of the 2mg tablets left..and sometimes I wonder if I should have stayed on to finish them cutting even more down from 1mg?? Like cut that 1mg into half? I still have them if I choose to do that if things get worse. I will keep ya all posted! But if your ready to quit, and serious about it..this medicine is a life saver...but could become addictive also, so be careful. Thats what Im tryin to avoid. I only have 6 left anyways...so if I have to cut the half into another half, then thats what I have to do...but im tryin not to. This RLS is crazy though...weird. I hate it. It feels like my legs are achy, muscles tight, tingley a little....errrr. But thats the only symptom....so who knows why this is...I just might post and ask...LOL....

Hope all is well!
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hi, just thought id add my experience for what its worth. i was on 24mgs a day of suboxone for  around 8 months and while on it felt normal and functioned well. i decided to come off quickly due to my circumstances and dropping initially to about 8 was easy, then i started to struggle but ploughed on. the last 2mgs was the hardest but i was switched to subutex for that which comes in 0.4mg tabs.(suboxone contains nalaxone, subutex doesnt. the naloxone is partly to stop people injecting). my main advice would be take it slow, just see how you are day by day, it can be quite hard to come off but its definitly doable, i wish you lots of luck and i quess it took a while to become an addict so its gonna take a while to get off and most importantly stay off, good luck louise
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I just waited it out till morning and took my regular Sub dose at noon and have felt fine.  Thank goodness!  That's the last time i F with anything other than my scripts from the Doc.
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I was shooting black tar heroin for about 8 months and before that I was snorting a good ammount of oxycontin. I tried the whole methadone thing  but didnt work too well since the nearest clinic is an hour away. I dwindled on the thought of suboxone and finally made the appointment. The doc told me to not do anything for 24 hours before I took the first dose of sub (8mg). I took it then went to his office to make sure that I had no adverse effects. Well it made me feel worse so about an hour later he told me to take another. At this point I had cold sweats and was freezing in his office not to mention I started to throw up. I guess it sent me into precepitated withdrawl (withdrawal) even though I diid wait the 24 hours, but I must admit that the last dose I did was double my usual (about .5 gram). After being in the doctor's office for hours I acted like I felt fine so I could get out of there and get some dope. I was going through the worst withdrawls in my life so the second I got the dope I made it in the car and muscled it. At that point I could not fathem trying to find a vein. Once home I decided that the next morning would be my last time doing it but I needed something to help me through it. Next thing I know my old oxy hook asked if I needed any xanax and it was a god send. I spent the next 2 days or so sleeping and now the stuff seems to be working. I did do a shot earlier in the day to kinda test and see if it was true that suboxone blocks all opoids. I barely felt it so I was happy to see that the stuff is working. Now that I am out of xanax I am having a hard time sleeping which seems to be the only negative effect,which is why I am writing at 4am on the fourth of July. I forgot to mention that I was perscribed 32mg/day I start out with only a quarter or half being afraid of what happened the first time I took it. So I guess its time to get my life back I am about to start my Senior year of college and dont need dope to mess my life up anymore! In my opinion xanax is the best way to go through withdrawls... just only for the first few days though since its addictive.
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good for getting clean buddy... (btw - you posted this on a very old thread - alot of people may not see it. so if you want to interact in the future, i suggest starting a new post - that way everyone sees it.)

anyway, please - do everything you can to STAY clean.  you are young, and have your whole life ahead of you.  at some point, look at what it is you're trying to "forget" (why alot of us take drugs to being with) - what feelings you don't want to feel.

because honestly, they won't kill you - i promise. and eventually need to be recognized.

getting clean believe it or not is the easy part.  STAYING CLEAN is the real work.
so please get some aftercare if you aren't already... meetings, counseling - something.

congrats to you MSSCU, on making a decision to get off dope.  YAY for you.... feel good for what you have done...

warmly,
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Hi can someone please help me out here and tell me about suboxone, I am on 320 mg of Oxycontin a day, I severe dosage of Oxycodone and my dr has prescribed this to me for over 2 years and i need to come off, How many mg of suboxone would I need per day, I called and reaced out to many suboxone doctors and it seems all they care about is how much cash you have.
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Suboxone is a wonderful crutch to help you get off of other opiates...but please keep in mind ....it is also a opiate and can be addicting ....if you try to stop taking it you will pay like hell with the worse possible wd you can imagine.......i wouldnt wish it on my worse enemy........
The goal is to help get off of what your on and then taper off of suboxone. follow your dr orders and you will be fine........but remember it i very very expensive and so can the dr visits too....i always feel the dr are in it for the money......they could care less you have a family a life and anything else......its all about the money and the drug.........they are your new dealers per say...
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You are supposed to dissolve sub under your tongue and hold it in your mouth for 10 minutes because thats how long it takes to absorb the medicine sublingually.  DO NOT SWALLOW IT, if you spit it out before 10 minutes you are wasting the full effect of the medicine.. Let me know if you need more info...
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I just started taking suboxone today. I had an awful addiction to opiates, I was prescribed 60 lortab 10's a month. At first I followed directions, then I ended up to where I was a few days ago... My 60 script would be gone in 4 days, then I would use OC's, Morphine, Percocet, ANY OPIATE! I had tried quitting befor, but by the end of the second day the withdrawals would be so bad that I would go out and find something..... It started to make me realize what I am doing to my body and life.. I am 22 yrs old and I am a GS12 for the government making 80-100k a year as a senior server administrator... I thought to myself WHAT AM I DOING TO MY LIFE!!! then I learned about suboxone.

They had me quit taking opiates on saturday, and come in on monday at 7AM. You have to be withdrawing to get suboxone, not because it wont work - more like you have to talk yourself into really quitting - if you can go through 2 days withdrawing so that you can get better, than you know you want to quit!

Monday they had me in their office trembling, pupils dialated, yawning, sweating and getting chills... they then told me to go downstairs to pharmacy and get 1 suboxone tablet... (8mg/2mg: my buddy told me that was a weak dose but I figured if I could start off small and handle it than I would be better off in the end) They broke that tablet in half and had me put 1/2 under my tongue to dissolve... I had to stay there 3 hours so that they could monitor me and see if it was working, it did work! Chills went through my body for 30minutes then I felt normal, and happy.

Basically I took the first 1/2 around 9AM, I just now took the other half (4:40PM) I feel good - I feel like a little kid again, and have a lot of self esteem and confidence - I will quit.

Thinking about how i spend 500-600$ a month on pills, paying for this treatment doesn't cost ****! I go back into the doctor tomorrow at 7AM to get a weeks worth hopefully (I cant be paying co-pay's everyday!) I am really going to do this like the doc tells me to, when he says quit, I quit.

Think about your body, your money - think about how much you spend and how you would be able to buy something rewarding without addiction.

I wish everyone here luck - and will keep you posted on my progress

----------THE ONE WITH HOPE
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I am going cold turkey tomorrow morning on my hydro. I met with a Dr. yesterday and she has me starting on suboxone tomorrow once I'm into the WD's. I have to admit I'm very scared of how I'm going to feel tomorrow. I've been taking anywhere from 13-17 pills - 10mg. daily for the past year. I'm frightened about the pain and the sickness that comes with WD's. I'm also scared of how I am going to function. It has been so long since I have functioned "normally" that I don't remember the days before eating 2-4 pills the minute my eyes open in the morning just to get going. I am however pleased with myself for taking the steps to getting better. I just know that I don't want to live like this anymore. I'm worn out on the anxiety that comes with this addiction.
I would really appreciate it if I could get some feedback on what the first 3-4 days is going to be like for me. What is the 1st day going to be like? Is the 3rd day worse than the 1st? Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. I am limited to my support with family and friends because very few are the situation I'm in.
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i have been on subutex for over a year an still cant get off it feels like i swapped one addiction for another would like to know how people have come off this and does anyone know about ibogaine
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just thought my experience might help others:
I have been taking suboxone for about 4-5 years now. I Needed to get something working for me as I have a professional job and cannot be "seen" as addicted. Yes - I too thought "how on earth did i do this to myself" - but that is another story. I have found that suboxone had a very short half-life with me - possibly because I have a high metabolism - so when i came down to manageable levels - which i call about 14 mg every second day, I realised that I could not wait two days to dose again. as a result I took that 16 mg takeaway and divided it up into sections. then tapered down.
Until last week, and for  the last three years I have been taking 2mg, 4 x times a day. 2mg in the morning, 2mg at lunch time, 2mg after work and 2mg when I go to bed. This has been brilliant - hard to do when they want me to dose the entire amount when I go in - but I made it work. by using my takeaways to regulate my own dose - I took back control. when i told my Dr - he quietly said that he had also suggested this to others, and to keep tapering down this way - to do the best i could.  
just lately my pharmacist has told me that he will no longer be dispensing suboxone - this is a big blow as most of his clients are my clients ( that would be due to my professional job!) and so I cannot be "seen" to be dosing. Pharmacist was great and my Dr also - they arranged so that I could dose once a week and get the rest in takeaways. it took a long time for this - I had to prove that I was responsible - but given what I had to lose - the proving part was easy.  
But now the pharmacist is no longer dispensing and I am told I must go elsewhere. I cannot take the risk that the new pharmacist will "get" me or the fact that my job is on the line here - so over the past 5 days I have dropped my dose to 0.5 mg 4 x times a day. so far the withdrawal has been pretty mild. bad headaches - but I have just discovered that drinking water is a cure for that. leg cramps but elevate them on a pillow and the pain is bearable enough to sleep. Shakes - or feeling "cold" but rug up warm and get an electric blanket if you can - turn off and on while the temperate changes up and down in your body and its pretty manageable. toilet breaks - but not too bad. feeling a bit depressed but I know why.  other than that - Im good . okay i know its only 5 days in - but im hoping that i can "jump" from here in about a  weeks time.
I cannot leave work ( although I have holidays if really need them) and I am responsible for other staff - so i can't screw this up
any thoughts - i would appreciate the feedback.
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I started the suboxone program about 11 months ago (actually it will be 11 months on 10/18) At first I was taking 1 tablet twice a day and then they decided that everyone (in my specific clinic) should take both tablets only once a day so I started taking 2 tablets in the morning and then within a month of that they decided that 1 and a half tablets is a good dose. So as it is rite now, I am suppose to take 12 mgs in the am but, I really found that by 4pm I was having awful cravings so, I decided to split it up a little so, I take 4mgs in the am and 8mgs around 4pm because that is my worst time of day. And even though I never tell them this is how I do it, that dosing is what works for me and I am happy to say that I am VERY close to my year mark of being clean.
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another comment.  Clinics response.   I've gotten this response at the 3 clinics that i've seen through the 8 years.  when asked about being completely off.  clinic doctors response was " If you were diabetic would you  stop taking insulin" ?  Be very careful about a clinic that seems like they want you as a life long client.  I'm paying $250 per month.  Way too much. Plus the drug was $600-$800 depending on dose.  Yes Insurance covers it today but they have not the whole time.  It's time to get off completely.  I dropped to 8mg a day today from 8.25mg all the way from 32mg per day.  
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