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could use some help going off injectable morphine
Hi, found this site while looking for help, I lead a pretty good life, good job, I played hard and broke many bones and surgeries,
anyway I was in a pain managment and was eventualy put on 3 injections daily of morphine sometimes 4, well I am going off it, doctor was arrested it was making me sick anyway, well now I want to die, the withdrawel is bad enough I can take that
but the pain in my back and legs is unbarable. any ideas?
I have to chew up 3 Vicodens when the pain in legs get so bad, I want off all of it any thoughts.
thanks. I used to be a wieght lifter can I start working out to help?
anyway I was in a pain managment and was eventualy put on 3 injections daily of morphine sometimes 4, well I am going off it, doctor was arrested it was making me sick anyway, well now I want to die, the withdrawel is bad enough I can take that
but the pain in my back and legs is unbarable. any ideas?
I have to chew up 3 Vicodens when the pain in legs get so bad, I want off all of it any thoughts.
thanks. I used to be a wieght lifter can I start working out to help?
The good idea is to copy what you just said and then go to top a press the Post a Question button. Then paste and hit post. That way you will have your own post going. As far as rapid detox. Quitting cold turkey is rapid. Look in my journals for the Thomas Recipe. There are helps there to get you through the w/ds. Just click on my name, go to journals, find "The Thomas Recipe re-posted". It is late, but don't give up. In the AM it gets to hopping here. About 3-4 hrs from now.
Good plan start a new subject about trying to get off of morphine when i have so much legit pain i just don't know what to do. The pain med's i think are killing me. This goes back over 20 years where i have had a few good years here and there but right now its very bad for me. I need to get off the morphine shot, i have one a day of 30mgs morphine and then keep the pain down for the rest of the day with morphine tabs or codeine. Oh and if i was just taking the shot i would be okay but its all the other pain **** that i have to take as well. I am getting to old for this i really am. I am 46 years old and i feel that i will in some way or another die of my addiction. I have never ever been in a chat room like this, in fact i was looking for the rapid detox information. Anyone know anything about it??
foxy
foxy
This is a really old post...4 years to be exact. Start a new subject if you want to chat or give help.
funny you should ask, went to a doc today and he freaked that I stopped Cold Turkey but agreed the worst is over, I am working out and and using heat and cold and a Tense unit I hurt badly
but doc thinks I can build up a tolerance to the pain, to some degree. he gave me Naproxen but it kills my stomach, also he did give me some **** to sleep and wanted to give me something for "the craving"? when I told him I would rather take a hot poker in the rear than ever take this **** again he seemed surprised and agreed I did not need it. Funny thing though he did agree at least in my case that physical rehab would not benifit since I still bench 350 even with Titainium holding my shoulder and back together, he told me not to worry about my brain making endorphines he said it was moot at this point????
I also asked if it was a problem that I was going in for surgery
he said it would not effect me?
becuase if I could stop IV morphine a few Vics would not hurt me??? Please everyone dont take this as I think you can take a few pills and be alright It will catch up to you.
but doc thinks I can build up a tolerance to the pain, to some degree. he gave me Naproxen but it kills my stomach, also he did give me some **** to sleep and wanted to give me something for "the craving"? when I told him I would rather take a hot poker in the rear than ever take this **** again he seemed surprised and agreed I did not need it. Funny thing though he did agree at least in my case that physical rehab would not benifit since I still bench 350 even with Titainium holding my shoulder and back together, he told me not to worry about my brain making endorphines he said it was moot at this point????
I also asked if it was a problem that I was going in for surgery
he said it would not effect me?
becuase if I could stop IV morphine a few Vics would not hurt me??? Please everyone dont take this as I think you can take a few pills and be alright It will catch up to you.
It's great that you are so determined to get clean, but what about pain management? What are you going to do for the pain? It sounds like you have legit pain, and since you've been on heavy-duty meds for a long time, you are going to really be feeling the aches.
The ER should have immediately referred you to a pain specialist in your area. You are possibly going to need some help with this, and don't feel bad about that. Going through this alone is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.
Please please look into pain management specialists in your area - call the ER and ask them. As far as the endorphins go, it is SO different for everyone, but from what I've read most recently, your brain may never get back to "normal." Addicts brain's aren't "normal" to begin with - something else I've read. We may be lacking in something which turns on the addictive personalities. That is something I can believe.
Well, good luck to you...I really hope you get the help you need.
The ER should have immediately referred you to a pain specialist in your area. You are possibly going to need some help with this, and don't feel bad about that. Going through this alone is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.
Please please look into pain management specialists in your area - call the ER and ask them. As far as the endorphins go, it is SO different for everyone, but from what I've read most recently, your brain may never get back to "normal." Addicts brain's aren't "normal" to begin with - something else I've read. We may be lacking in something which turns on the addictive personalities. That is something I can believe.
Well, good luck to you...I really hope you get the help you need.
Hi peaz - Alexis - It's consoling to know I'm not the only one that can do such nutty things....smile...hopefully, it'll get better for all of us.
And peaz - stop that pouting; you're gonna step on your lower lip! :) You always put a big smile of my face - both of you have a good day. Gotta get dressed and go out to (yep)grocery shop....(and yes, I'll probably pout all the way)...smile
Love, Lisabet
And peaz - stop that pouting; you're gonna step on your lower lip! :) You always put a big smile of my face - both of you have a good day. Gotta get dressed and go out to (yep)grocery shop....(and yes, I'll probably pout all the way)...smile
Love, Lisabet
I'm chuckling as I read your posts, because shopping was an "outting" for me as well........Talk about your cheap thrills...LOL. I live in a small town, and I was in the habit of getting all tuned-up before I would take a drive into the city. So after I got clean, I could barely get in the car without horrible cravings, and I'd pout the whole way there....LOL. I still get a yen every once in awhile. Narcs just made everything more fun!!! (for awhile. DON'T FORGET THAT). Best wishes to you two---Peaz
Just wanted to say that the grocery store experience mirrors mine exactly. I would take 2 or so Norco's before going grocery shopping (back when I actually felt good when I took them) and happily shop. It was almost fun. It was the one place that I felt I needed the hydro or at least wanted it.
It is strange that you mentioned it, because that was one of my biggest triggers. Now when I take a couple of Vic's and go grocery shopping, I feel nothing but agitated for some reason. I guess it's called tolerance. :(
It is strange that you mentioned it, because that was one of my biggest triggers. Now when I take a couple of Vic's and go grocery shopping, I feel nothing but agitated for some reason. I guess it's called tolerance. :(
Thanks everyone for the info, but I have to say I have been on IV morphine for alomost a year and ended it last week, and have no, NONE craving for it, in fact in the er they wanted to shoot me up and I refused. I have been taking the vicoden at night becuase of pain, but his stuff is making me sick,
Chezz Amen dude, when I can manage this back pain to a tolerable level I will never take this **** again???? how can people dream
of this **** like its a fond memory?? didnt you all turn inside out when you stopped taking it?
Chezz Amen dude, when I can manage this back pain to a tolerable level I will never take this **** again???? how can people dream
of this **** like its a fond memory?? didnt you all turn inside out when you stopped taking it?
Hi there...I can totally identify with your experience - I've been there myself; there's certain people or situations that has always made me want to "self medicate". God - I thought it was only me. The one I have to fight almost weekly is when I go inside a grocery store to do food shopping. I used to take several vicodin just to go to the store; it was almost a comforting feeling to do this. I now dread going grocery shopping because I still feel compelled to do this. So while I used to spend an hour and a half to 2 hours in the store, I whiz in and out in 15 or 20 minutes. I still miss that experience...weird, huh? Lisabet
I thought addiction was a "conditioned response" ... even when you produce endorphins again, you are still subject to "triggers". It's funny ... an old friend called me that I haven't heard from in years. After we hung up, I had a desire to take more ultram. I didn't take it ... but I realized that talking about the past, when we were young and running around was a trigger. Ahh yes, people places and things.
Bodymechanic,
Thanks for the update and flat out honesty. I personally think it takes a stand up guy to admit when he doesn't have evidence yet he sticks to his guns regarding what he has heard.
I merely wanted to state the other side of the story. The "other" possibilities if you will.
Thanks for doing that without resorting to a jump n back n forth process and staying civilized.
I respect your opinion and what you have heard.
Although, I like to look at the brighter side to life and not worry about "When or if" my receptors have recovered.
This is for the people who are in pain, who take meds, with a hopeful resolution to your pain :
There is life after pain, meds, addiction/dependency. The more you stay wrapped up in meds overtakinng you life and your everyday things is when you should reevaluate your situation. Pain meds in my opinion should be used to enhance the bodies ability to heal. To give you pain relief whjile you are doing things to help your body heal, via yoga, water aerobics, stretching, whatever.
Everybodies situation is different. Some will never fully recover and have to take pain meds the rest of thier lives.
For me, I hope I don't. I am keepinig a positive outlook on my recovery, almost convcincing myself of healing. I know its hard, and the depression from dealing with chronic pain can sometimes be worse than the pain itself. You have to keep positive, do positive things, think positive thoughs, and most of all, have faith that one day you will be pain free living a normal life again without having to take meds all day long.
Sorry for the long post. I just think it is imperative that we all look at our situations once in a while and evaluate how we are dealing with them.
Relying on a doctor and pain meds to "heal" you will never happen. It is the patients responsibility to learn as much as they can about their condition, and what it takes to make it better.
The responsibility for healing is upon us, with the HELP from the health care system. We play a big role in whether or not we heal fast, slow, or at all.
Again, these are just my thoughts. This DEFINETELY doesn't apply to EVERYONE in the least bit. But the ones it does, you will know when you are reading this, if you are one of those people that have "given up" and expect the meds, and the doctors to heal you.
We all need to play a part in healing ourselves...
Chezz
Thanks for the update and flat out honesty. I personally think it takes a stand up guy to admit when he doesn't have evidence yet he sticks to his guns regarding what he has heard.
I merely wanted to state the other side of the story. The "other" possibilities if you will.
Thanks for doing that without resorting to a jump n back n forth process and staying civilized.
I respect your opinion and what you have heard.
Although, I like to look at the brighter side to life and not worry about "When or if" my receptors have recovered.
This is for the people who are in pain, who take meds, with a hopeful resolution to your pain :
There is life after pain, meds, addiction/dependency. The more you stay wrapped up in meds overtakinng you life and your everyday things is when you should reevaluate your situation. Pain meds in my opinion should be used to enhance the bodies ability to heal. To give you pain relief whjile you are doing things to help your body heal, via yoga, water aerobics, stretching, whatever.
Everybodies situation is different. Some will never fully recover and have to take pain meds the rest of thier lives.
For me, I hope I don't. I am keepinig a positive outlook on my recovery, almost convcincing myself of healing. I know its hard, and the depression from dealing with chronic pain can sometimes be worse than the pain itself. You have to keep positive, do positive things, think positive thoughs, and most of all, have faith that one day you will be pain free living a normal life again without having to take meds all day long.
Sorry for the long post. I just think it is imperative that we all look at our situations once in a while and evaluate how we are dealing with them.
Relying on a doctor and pain meds to "heal" you will never happen. It is the patients responsibility to learn as much as they can about their condition, and what it takes to make it better.
The responsibility for healing is upon us, with the HELP from the health care system. We play a big role in whether or not we heal fast, slow, or at all.
Again, these are just my thoughts. This DEFINETELY doesn't apply to EVERYONE in the least bit. But the ones it does, you will know when you are reading this, if you are one of those people that have "given up" and expect the meds, and the doctors to heal you.
We all need to play a part in healing ourselves...
Chezz
I could not agree with you more. It is our responsibility to take care of our own bodies. Relying totally on any doctor is a big mistake. An even bigger mistake is having the mindset that you are in some way impaired or disabled. Chronic pain unlike acute pain is directly linked to the emotional centers of the brain. That means whenever there is pain, there is an emotional response to that pain. And where there is negative emotion there is the physiological response of pain. This is an aspect of pain management that is the most difficult to deal with.
I would add chiropractic to your list of things that help heal the body. A good chiropractor can bring draumatic relief when all else has failed. Unfortunately, just like any other doctor, a good chiropractor is not easy to find. This is not just a plug for my own profession, I honestly believe it to be true.
As far as drugs that are used to help the body to heal, there is one class that is never used because of the medical and social stigma that surrounds it. I am talking about anabolic steroids. Atheletes have known for 50 years that anabolic steroids used in a clinically controlled enviroment and for a SHORT course can greatly enhance the bodies ability to heal itself. Unfortunately the use of anabolic steroids to enhance tissue healing may never happen. Even the medical doctors who would support this approach would never even mention it since the subject is so taboo.
Peace
I would add chiropractic to your list of things that help heal the body. A good chiropractor can bring draumatic relief when all else has failed. Unfortunately, just like any other doctor, a good chiropractor is not easy to find. This is not just a plug for my own profession, I honestly believe it to be true.
As far as drugs that are used to help the body to heal, there is one class that is never used because of the medical and social stigma that surrounds it. I am talking about anabolic steroids. Atheletes have known for 50 years that anabolic steroids used in a clinically controlled enviroment and for a SHORT course can greatly enhance the bodies ability to heal itself. Unfortunately the use of anabolic steroids to enhance tissue healing may never happen. Even the medical doctors who would support this approach would never even mention it since the subject is so taboo.
Peace
Bodymechanic,
Thanks for the update and flat out honesty. I personally think it takes a stand up guy to admit when he doesn't have evidence yet he sticks to his guns regarding what he has heard.
I merely wanted to state the other side of the story. The "other" possibilities if you will.
Thanks for doing that without resorting to a jump n back n forth process and staying civilized.
I respect your opinion and what you have heard.
Although, I like to look at the brighter side to lie2
Thanks for the update and flat out honesty. I personally think it takes a stand up guy to admit when he doesn't have evidence yet he sticks to his guns regarding what he has heard.
I merely wanted to state the other side of the story. The "other" possibilities if you will.
Thanks for doing that without resorting to a jump n back n forth process and staying civilized.
I respect your opinion and what you have heard.
Although, I like to look at the brighter side to lie2
Bodymechanic,
Now that is more like it. GREAT post. That is very very true. The brain retains a little toooooooo much if you ask me. Too bad it doesn't just pop back to normal.
My main concrn was conveying to people that they will be "normal" as possible within a few weeks and up to a year or more depending on the opiate dose, and usage.
12-18 months, is not the standard is all I wanted to get across.
Thanks for he great post. That definetely sums it up...
Chezz
Now that is more like it. GREAT post. That is very very true. The brain retains a little toooooooo much if you ask me. Too bad it doesn't just pop back to normal.
My main concrn was conveying to people that they will be "normal" as possible within a few weeks and up to a year or more depending on the opiate dose, and usage.
12-18 months, is not the standard is all I wanted to get across.
Thanks for he great post. That definetely sums it up...
Chezz
Bodymechanic,
Thanks for the update and flat out honesty. I personally think it takes a stand up guy to admit when he doesn't have evidence yet he sticks to his guns regarding what he has heard.
I merely wanted to state the other side of the story. The "other" possibilities if you will.
Thanks for doing that without resorting to a jump n back n forth process and staying civilized.
I respect your opinion and what you have heard.
Although, I like to look at the brighter side to lie2
Thanks for the update and flat out honesty. I personally think it takes a stand up guy to admit when he doesn't have evidence yet he sticks to his guns regarding what he has heard.
I merely wanted to state the other side of the story. The "other" possibilities if you will.
Thanks for doing that without resorting to a jump n back n forth process and staying civilized.
I respect your opinion and what you have heard.
Although, I like to look at the brighter side to lie2
I did not want anyone to have the impression that this was hopeless. There are some who will use the rational "once an addict always an addict" to continue to use till jail or death. I did want to convey the idea that this is a very long process. I have read no studies to support my position of the 6-18 month mark for the receptors recover, after that point the residual damage being permanant. It is a number however, I have been hearing (not reading)from addiction "experts" for the last 20 years. I simply took it as fact. Considering we are taking about the nervous system it seemed very reasonable. I honestly believe if I look hard enough I would find research or at least clinical observation to support this figure.
Peace
Peace
According to the latest research, you are so correct, senior! Doesn't mean recovery is pointless, but truth is truth. We all deserve to know.
Thomas
Thomas
Ok Cheez, I will give it to em strait. When will the brain receptors return to normal after having a true opiate addiction? NEVER. The prolonged exposure to opiates creates biochemical and neuroanatomical changes in the brain and nervous system that are PERMANANT. So like it or not, yours and mine and almost everyone elses on the forum have brains that have been permanantly altered by opiate usage. That is the reason why once addicted and then recovered, if usage begins again tolerance builds much more quickly and one becomes readdicted so much more quickly. Do people recover completely for all practical purposes. Of course they do. But their brains and nervous systems will never, ever be the same again.
Don't get resentful of me over this. It is just opiate addiction reality.
Peace
Don't get resentful of me over this. It is just opiate addiction reality.
Peace
Thanks dude, I freaked when I saw the 12+ I was injecting morphine 2-3 times a day just last week I know am taking 6 750 Vics in a 24 hour period just becuase of back and leg pain, plus belive this I got the damn flu from the ER when I went for the withdrawls, But today I wont lie I feel like **** but worked out on life cycle for 12mins and rower for 6 then some situps.
Not much but hey its a start, I also didnt mention that I have my left hand stiched up with over 60 stitches but belive it or not the hand does not hurt ??? go figure just my back and legs.
so I cant hit the weights just yet. Hey if the other guy is a Back Doc can you give us some exersies to do to help?
Sorry for the spelling my eye sight seems blury also.
Hey Chezz are you in CT?
Not much but hey its a start, I also didnt mention that I have my left hand stiched up with over 60 stitches but belive it or not the hand does not hurt ??? go figure just my back and legs.
so I cant hit the weights just yet. Hey if the other guy is a Back Doc can you give us some exersies to do to help?
Sorry for the spelling my eye sight seems blury also.
Hey Chezz are you in CT?
Personally,
When I have been on meds for a year or so and finally get through one of my back "episodes". I am back into regular society, quote on quote - receptors healed and off the meds in no longer than 3-4 weeks AT MOST.
That is just my personal experience.
You have to take into account every person is different. Including diet, exercise, ect. If you lay your ass on the couch or in front of the computer everyday it is going to take FOREVER for you ever get back to a normal life.
The key is getting out, doing things, being happy, living life...
Chezz
When I have been on meds for a year or so and finally get through one of my back "episodes". I am back into regular society, quote on quote - receptors healed and off the meds in no longer than 3-4 weeks AT MOST.
That is just my personal experience.
You have to take into account every person is different. Including diet, exercise, ect. If you lay your ass on the couch or in front of the computer everyday it is going to take FOREVER for you ever get back to a normal life.
The key is getting out, doing things, being happy, living life...
Chezz
BM,
Whats up with the 12-18 months for recovery of receptors. Where are you getting your info on this.
This is notttttttttt true, nor does it have anything to back it up.
Once people get off the meds, back into life, exercising, and living life in general, they are healing. It doesn't take an exorbanant amount of time.
Of course if you have been on herion for 20 years of course it is going to take longer than someone who has been on vikes for 4 months.
It is different for everyone and every situation!!! This standard you set, without documentation is ridiculous. Give people the place where you got this information so we ALL can see where you are coming from on this.
Being a Chiropractor that you say, you would imagine that would already know a statement like that would need evidence to back it up since it concerns people general wellbeing.
So give it to em' straight...
Chezz
Whats up with the 12-18 months for recovery of receptors. Where are you getting your info on this.
This is notttttttttt true, nor does it have anything to back it up.
Once people get off the meds, back into life, exercising, and living life in general, they are healing. It doesn't take an exorbanant amount of time.
Of course if you have been on herion for 20 years of course it is going to take longer than someone who has been on vikes for 4 months.
It is different for everyone and every situation!!! This standard you set, without documentation is ridiculous. Give people the place where you got this information so we ALL can see where you are coming from on this.
Being a Chiropractor that you say, you would imagine that would already know a statement like that would need evidence to back it up since it concerns people general wellbeing.
So give it to em' straight...
Chezz
Yea, the ZR1 is kinda of a give away, Dude I am hoping to be on my feet in a couple more days screw 12 months.
The pain I had before is not as bad as the pain I have now
If I can drop wieght work out I am hoping to just bare it.
I miss riding my dirt bike and snowmobile,
and yea I race the Vettte it all done up ever hit 185 on thr highway, you should see the look and the faces of the little rice burner shits with the NOS when I spank them.
The pain I had before is not as bad as the pain I have now
If I can drop wieght work out I am hoping to just bare it.
I miss riding my dirt bike and snowmobile,
and yea I race the Vettte it all done up ever hit 185 on thr highway, you should see the look and the faces of the little rice burner shits with the NOS when I spank them.
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