Aa
crazy thoughts....
ok......so here is todays crazy thought pattern. IF i decide to use the fent to get me by while i wait for more hydro, (and i am still not interested in talking to my dr).....what it i called and asked the pharmacist what the correct amount of fent would be to equal the amount of hydro ive been on?
my dr wrote the fent script for me awhile back to see if that medicine would work better than the norco. if i tell the pharmacist that i am giving the fent a try, perhaps he can give me the equivalent dosage so i stay level and then return to the pills as soon as i am able.
PLEASE dont yell at me for beating a dead horse...im still trying to see the forest through the trees and keep my head above water. just an idea....i thought it was at least a bit more safe to discuss it with a professional before swapping one drug for another and then back again.
thanks for listening to me whine and justify....whine and justify....
Paige
my dr wrote the fent script for me awhile back to see if that medicine would work better than the norco. if i tell the pharmacist that i am giving the fent a try, perhaps he can give me the equivalent dosage so i stay level and then return to the pills as soon as i am able.
PLEASE dont yell at me for beating a dead horse...im still trying to see the forest through the trees and keep my head above water. just an idea....i thought it was at least a bit more safe to discuss it with a professional before swapping one drug for another and then back again.
thanks for listening to me whine and justify....whine and justify....
Paige
Did your doctor prescribe fentanyl for arthritis pain?
hydros won't even touch anything mental or physical once you get acclimated to the fentanyl. You will be in trouble at that point. Right now you can get out of this with alot less discomfort. We also know that people are going to do what they are going to do.My friend died Monday night of suspected opiate overdose. Please be careful and know what you are really geting into here.
hydros won't even touch anything mental or physical once you get acclimated to the fentanyl. You will be in trouble at that point. Right now you can get out of this with alot less discomfort. We also know that people are going to do what they are going to do.My friend died Monday night of suspected opiate overdose. Please be careful and know what you are really geting into here.
It's amazing how our brains come up with strange ways of holding onto our opiates. When I didn't like the way I felt on Subutex, I knocked the dose down, and added back some MS Contin. And it worked for a little while. But I've really lengthened my time to adjust I think, because I wasn't taking enough of either drug to stop withdrawals. And the cravings were a *****!
Sometimes I think I should just CT and get out of this hell.
And Fentanyl is a big gun narcotic. I don't think you want more tolerance than you have. Like everyone says, it will make withdrawal harder, and could be dangerous. How many hydros are you taking a day? The body can usually handle dropping 5 mg every 3-4 days. It's our minds that are the biggest problem.
Sometimes I think I should just CT and get out of this hell.
And Fentanyl is a big gun narcotic. I don't think you want more tolerance than you have. Like everyone says, it will make withdrawal harder, and could be dangerous. How many hydros are you taking a day? The body can usually handle dropping 5 mg every 3-4 days. It's our minds that are the biggest problem.
The hardest thing to do when deciding to quit is cutting our sources, because we know that there is no going back when the going gets tough. We all want to be done with this crap until we have spent a day, two or three in withdraw and then our mind starts messing with us to take just one. Well, we all know one isn't enough and neither is a thousand. The best analogy I received on here is this; We were once cucumbers, then we pickled ourselves, now we are no longer cucumbers and can never be one again. We are now pickles. But our addict minds want to convince us we can be a cucumber again or for even a short duration. While we may be able to demonstrate controlled use for a short term period, we always wind up back in the same place and usually worse. I had to discover this the hard way many times before I accepted that. In the meantime, can you just talk to your Dr about wanting to 'take a break' from the hydros. Let him know you want off them and want to see how you do without? That way he can help you get off them with medications and perhaps that will ease your anxiety a bit? Then once you get off them, you can relook at your pain levels with him in 30 days or so.
Paige..We are not Judging you..We would like to HELP you..You are in a addiction site and we have all been were you are at..AS I stated in the other thread, IF YOU really want off the meds the DR will work with you..I know how the disease talks to us and we want to keep a open door to them..Just like Nursegirl said..If you want it bad enough you have to cut the source off ..We would like you to stay on this site..You can help so many other people who are trying to do what you are doing too..If you want to come clean, I surely can promise you that the detox state is so short lived compared to the years of use..We will always have to fight the beast...It is a very powerful MIND Disease,,It loves to keep you going..You can find ways here to help in the detox state..You can find some other ways to deal with the pain as many of us do..OK..We would like you to come clean and clear headed and join us...It is up to you..OK I do wish you the best..
Paige,
Everything you are feeling is VERY normal. Don't feel bad about asking questions about what to expect and any possible ways to ease the withdrawal. The more you know about your options, the better prepared you are. What everyone is trying to tell you is that while you can lessen withdrawals by reducing or tapering your hydro, there is no way to escape them completely. And once you start going through them, the worst thing you can do is take something because it will set you back. You will need to set a plan to start reducing your intake, a jump off date, and then begin the final stages of withdrawals. The Fentanyl is about the strongest opiate there is out there and if you add that to the mix (from experience) it becomes that much harder to detox. It has much longer legs (or time) spent in the body. The way it reacts is way different than the hydros, so while it may relieve you symptoms, as soon as it wears off, you will be in much worse shape than had you added it. Then you will be looking for relief from those withdraws, turn to the hydros and need as much of those to get past the wd from the F. Something for you to think about sweetie. Can you get your refill and begin a taper plan with it?
Everything you are feeling is VERY normal. Don't feel bad about asking questions about what to expect and any possible ways to ease the withdrawal. The more you know about your options, the better prepared you are. What everyone is trying to tell you is that while you can lessen withdrawals by reducing or tapering your hydro, there is no way to escape them completely. And once you start going through them, the worst thing you can do is take something because it will set you back. You will need to set a plan to start reducing your intake, a jump off date, and then begin the final stages of withdrawals. The Fentanyl is about the strongest opiate there is out there and if you add that to the mix (from experience) it becomes that much harder to detox. It has much longer legs (or time) spent in the body. The way it reacts is way different than the hydros, so while it may relieve you symptoms, as soon as it wears off, you will be in much worse shape than had you added it. Then you will be looking for relief from those withdraws, turn to the hydros and need as much of those to get past the wd from the F. Something for you to think about sweetie. Can you get your refill and begin a taper plan with it?
the script can still be filled i already called and checked. yes telling the dr is going to end my supply and that is not the main reason i am not wanting to tell him. i feel so stupid for getting myself hooked in the first place. he has tried to help me all this time and i feel like a complete idiot for allowing this to happen.
yes i DO want to get the hell off the drugs all together! i was assuming there was an amount i was to try on the fent when the dr prescribed it to me in place of the hydro OR to try WITH it! my dr said i could take BOTH meds if i still was feeling alot of pain.
im not wanting to take the fent so i can get more hooked on drugs and im not wanting to use the fent to keep addicted to the hydro. i am wanting to find a way to use a couple of patches to fill the gap between pills so THEN i can start a tape.
I DO hear what you all are saying and of course i sound like a fool for continuing to ask for help to avoid being forced into detox. i guess im just not that ready then huh? if i was....i would stop looking to find an alternate way to get by and just deal with what i have on my plate now.
like i said,,,,,as sad and ashamed as i am to admit it....CLEARLY i am not ready to win this battle. thank you SO much for trying to be supportive and offer me advice. i appreciate the time you all give to this forum....it obviously helps a great deal of people!!
Paige
yes i DO want to get the hell off the drugs all together! i was assuming there was an amount i was to try on the fent when the dr prescribed it to me in place of the hydro OR to try WITH it! my dr said i could take BOTH meds if i still was feeling alot of pain.
im not wanting to take the fent so i can get more hooked on drugs and im not wanting to use the fent to keep addicted to the hydro. i am wanting to find a way to use a couple of patches to fill the gap between pills so THEN i can start a tape.
I DO hear what you all are saying and of course i sound like a fool for continuing to ask for help to avoid being forced into detox. i guess im just not that ready then huh? if i was....i would stop looking to find an alternate way to get by and just deal with what i have on my plate now.
like i said,,,,,as sad and ashamed as i am to admit it....CLEARLY i am not ready to win this battle. thank you SO much for trying to be supportive and offer me advice. i appreciate the time you all give to this forum....it obviously helps a great deal of people!!
Paige
Well said lesa! That's so true, you can feel the desperation coming through the posts.
God love you continuing to ask questions sweetie, but I don't think you're really wanting to hear what everyone is saying. You want to hear something different, and we're not going to lead you down the wrong (and risky) path.
Vicki also brought up a good point about the age of the script. They will NOT fill it if it is fairly old. Especially with a drug as powerful as Fentanyl. That's a schedule II narcotic, which are very tightly regulated. A GREAT first step would be to tear it up!
God love you continuing to ask questions sweetie, but I don't think you're really wanting to hear what everyone is saying. You want to hear something different, and we're not going to lead you down the wrong (and risky) path.
Vicki also brought up a good point about the age of the script. They will NOT fill it if it is fairly old. Especially with a drug as powerful as Fentanyl. That's a schedule II narcotic, which are very tightly regulated. A GREAT first step would be to tear it up!
Vicki is 100% correct. They are two totally different meds, and the route is different. There's no way you could acheive an equivalent.
I know you are wracking your brain for a solution, but this is NOT it...I cannot stress to you how going to the Fentanyl for hydro w/ds would be like killing a fly with a shotgun.
You are only going to then later have to face much fiercer w/ds. I understand you are nervous to speak to your doctor, but then I agree that you must come up with another plan. You would be wise to get rid of the Fentanyl patches all together because even if you decide not to use them. you may get tempted if you're in w/ds.
I just wish you'd get off that merry go round sweetie. You're way overthinking this and making it SO much harder than it already is. You DO have options, but you're not willing to try them. Telling your doctor is a MUCH more reasonable offer than using fentanyl to get off hydro.
Sure hope you can come up with a Plan B! When you get your refill, are you going to use those to taper, or just go back to taking them again? Are you just trying to combat w/ds, or are you looking to get clean? (Sorry if I missed that).
To be very honest with you, probably one of the reasons you're afraid to talk to your doctor is because he's a source, and you KNOW you'll be cutting off your supply. Is there some truth in that? That's definitely tough, but definitely necessary.
Hang in there.
I know you are wracking your brain for a solution, but this is NOT it...I cannot stress to you how going to the Fentanyl for hydro w/ds would be like killing a fly with a shotgun.
You are only going to then later have to face much fiercer w/ds. I understand you are nervous to speak to your doctor, but then I agree that you must come up with another plan. You would be wise to get rid of the Fentanyl patches all together because even if you decide not to use them. you may get tempted if you're in w/ds.
I just wish you'd get off that merry go round sweetie. You're way overthinking this and making it SO much harder than it already is. You DO have options, but you're not willing to try them. Telling your doctor is a MUCH more reasonable offer than using fentanyl to get off hydro.
Sure hope you can come up with a Plan B! When you get your refill, are you going to use those to taper, or just go back to taking them again? Are you just trying to combat w/ds, or are you looking to get clean? (Sorry if I missed that).
To be very honest with you, probably one of the reasons you're afraid to talk to your doctor is because he's a source, and you KNOW you'll be cutting off your supply. Is there some truth in that? That's definitely tough, but definitely necessary.
Hang in there.
Hi Knaankj... I had just went over a few of your post to try to understand what it is you are trying to do and what I get is you are trying to avoid wd ? that will not happen even with a taper as you will be in wd the whole time although not as strong then you will still feel the final wd.. I want to add my voice with the others that this is not a good idea.. the first thing I thought when I read this was how grateful I was that I no longer seek and em desperate like this.. active addition is very weary work for ones spirit... then the 2nd thought of how easy it would be for you to do a OD with the fent yo-yoing.. I do not mean to sound harsh but you would be playing a very dangerous game with a powerful drug.. As Vicki said they may not even fill it if it is too old.. You can stop all this madness by being honest with your Dr.. I did and what a relief.. I truly wish you the very best.. Please listen to all these good folks ok and take good care of you... lesa
Even if he does give you the info you want, how will you achieve that dose?
It's dangerous to cut the patches...By the way, when was this rx written? The pharmacist may not even fill it if it's too old.
I completely agree with others comments about the fentanyl...it's a bad idea. Can you think of anything else to do? Can you cut back on the pills you have now in order to make them last until your refill?
It's dangerous to cut the patches...By the way, when was this rx written? The pharmacist may not even fill it if it's too old.
I completely agree with others comments about the fentanyl...it's a bad idea. Can you think of anything else to do? Can you cut back on the pills you have now in order to make them last until your refill?
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