detox depression

[engsal]

hi- i,m new to this forum. Can anybody tell me why the depression i feel whilst detoxing from tramadol is so severe when i am prescribed and take regular paxil for depression. I would really appreciate your support

[miko]

I've taken oxycontin, oxycodone, hydros & ultram. Ultram was the hardest for me to detox from. It helped my mood when I took it-I was also taking antidepressants. I asked my former doc about the mood enhancement & he said it had the same ingredients as an SSRI (even moreso.) So when you stop taking ultram, it's a double whammy--no more pain med & no more mood med. Also, Ultram is dangerous to take together with SSRI's as it can cause seizures. Ask your doc for a stronger SSRI & taper the ultram til you can come off completely.

[skata]

I'm new to the forum also but I do have alot of experience with Ultram withdrawl.  I was on Ultram for 8 years for a back injury and truly thought I would never get off the stuff.  

Ultram is a synthetic replica of morphine and works on most of the same areas of your brain.  When morphine or any similar pain killer is present, you own natural endorphins (not sure I spelled it right) do not get produced in their normal quantites.  Endorphins are your body's natural pain killers, there are actually several pain killers that naturally occur in the body but I'll use endorphins for this explaination.

There are parts of the nerves that are called receptors and when pain killers (Ultram etc.) are taken, your body is tricked into believing that it doesn't need as many receptors as it once did.  It also reduces the amount of it's own endorphins because it detects the Ultram and thinks it's overproducing it's own endorphines.  If someone is on pain killers for more than 6-8 months their body actually looses it's ability to product it's own pain killers.  Therefore, not only do you go thorough withdrawl, you also will be in more pain because your body is not producing it's own pain killers.  In normal circumstances, pain killers should be taken only as long as a severe injury is present and then stopped.

OK, enough background, the reason your anti-depressent is not working is because the ultram is one of the best anti-depressents ever created.  I can remember taking it and feeling a warm rush from the top of my head spreading downward.  It acts like a major rush of endorphins and puts you own cloud 9.  The problem is, I now think of that warm rush as the burning up of my own nerve receptors.  When the Ultram is missing, your body will crave it because it works for a balance of endorphines but it now has less ability to create it's own.

My advice is to stop taking the Ultram because of all pain killers I've ever taken, it was one of the hardest to quit.  I've taken many types of pain killers, Delaudid, Peracet, Darvon, Methadone, Oxycontin ect..  When I stopped taking Ultram, I was up to 12 50mg pills a day.  

The longer you use it the longer it will take for your body to get back to normal.  I switched from Ultram to Methadone to help with the withdrawl.  I took the Methadone for 2 years and finally stopped all together a year ago.  They say that the first week off is the worst and it is for the withdrawl symtoms but the depression part can go on for several months before your body gets back to normal.  I've finally learned that there are many none narcotic solutions to the pain and depression and I'm happy to say that I now take no prescription medicine at all.

I hope this helps.

[miko]

p.s. I'm new too. I'm detoxing from lortab 10's (12 a day) right now and when I say detoxing, I mean I've switched to Darvocets so I can stand the pain. I've done it like this before, as they say--it's so damn easy to quit, I've done it a thousand times! I'm also taking lots of vitamins & something to flush me out that the healthfood store lady recmd. I told her everything & she really helped. Even prayed for me. Got online last week to search for vikes & ended up here, reading posts. I broke down, woke my husband up at 2am & told him I needed help. I've been addicted to some sort of narc for about 5 years. I'm seeing a therapist today at 2:15 & GOD, i hope he can help. Someone who's been through this reccommended him, so he's good. I hope he gives me something for the depression I know will come once i run out of these darvocets. BUT, the darvocets really do help with the w/d symptoms--i never really had any symptoms when i came off of those. Just the vikes/ultram & oxys. Hope you get help w/your depression also. Paxil did nothing for me except make me sweat. I'm taking 100 mgs of zoloft now & don't feel a difference. I've heard that effexor is good...we'll see how it goes today.

[sandstorm]

I'm pretty new over here, also.  I have been off of ultram for 4 1/2 months now after a 3 year run.  I have been addicted to almost everything in the whole world.. I had been clean for 15 years and I started taking that ****.  It is really interesting what you say about it, because I have been through withdrawals before,  but nothing like ultram.. I really didn't think I was going to make it.  The depression was the worst.  Also, my blood pressure went sky high.  My doctor put me on 3 different kinds of bp medicine and Effexor and everything changed.  I really started feeling better and that was like my 3rd month into it.  Like a lot of people I didn't want the anti-depressant, but he was right it did the trick.  He also took me off of the estrogen patch,  because he said that aggravated the high bp.  I went twice during the w/ds to er room with bp up to 210/130 - 220/150 (stroke level)I was scared to death, but I told the doctors the truth and they were great to me. Now my bp is 110/70 most of the time.
Thanks for all the info and I will be praying for all of you and if I can help, let me know.  Hang in there and keep posting!
Sandy
Everyone here is great and give great advice!

[doner]

What a strange coincidence it is that this is the topic for today.Engsal, Ive never even heard of you(as you are new,so am I)but I promise to pray for you tonight for your depression and that it passes quickly.Every persons reaction to coming off opiates is different.My boyfriend and I started tapering methadone a few months back(so far successful).Now he feels great and ambitious and ready to take on the world. I however fell into a deep depression that as been haunting me for what feels like forever.As far as Im concerned, depression is the the worst wd symptom of all.I am so sorry for you,truly I mean it.Withdrawls play with some peoples minds sometimes to the extent that they think they are going crazy.I hope yours isnt that bad.I just sympathize so with your situation so much. MrMichael will probably get to you soon(as I personally believe he is one of the most caring souls here) He will have more accurate info but look into finding a doctor near you qualified to prescribe burenorphine(sp).Ive been told by a good source that the difference is like night and day.Unfortunatly there is no dr. near me that is qualified so Im pretty much screwed but it could really help you.And if you feel anything like I do you'll be lookin for that doctor today.My heart goes out to you as I understand how you feel.Chin up,Melissa

[hippy]

depression , connected with pain med withdrawls is like a bad acid trip, you just have to keep telling yourself its just the with drawls, it will pass.
i tried to kick cold turkey off a 15 to 20 a day vike habit
own my own for about 2 years but the depression was so severe
i went back to the pills in order to function.
this was before i found this fourm.
along with the depression the other major problem was lack of energy, another problem i could not get over on my own.
when i found this fourm i started to learn what was going on
with me, for i was truely in the dark about the withdrawls
symptoms of opiate withdrawl.
when i got here a year and a half ago, it was suggested to me to try to taper down wich i had no sucess with.
I was also introduced to thomas's recipe a group of vitamines
and minerals , i started taking them right away and they helped
me finally get through the depression of cold turkey.
the l-tyrosine and b-6 made me feel a lot  better, at  the time
i  would wake up in the morning and feel like i was 100 years old, the vitamine gave me back my health, i must have been
very deficent in vitamines and minerals.
the receipe helped me with the depression and lack of energy.
and i had a rough 5 days detoxing  but then it began to get easier, sleeping was a problem for a month or two.
but my feeling came back and i started to feel joy for the 1st time in a few years. i have been clean for 15 monts now ,
i still take the receipe, tho i cut down on the l-tyrosine.
i have also taken 5htp for depression.
the one thing that i have found very helpful has been
exersize and lots of it ,.
my experence with the depresion from withdrawls  was a feeling of fear, the fear of impending doom. also sense of panic.

peace!!!!!HIPPY

[KimH]

I'm sorry to break in but real quick, Pammy, I tried to email you but couldn't? I double checked and it is correct as far as in the other thread. what should I do? KimH

[doner]

The last two sentences of your post explain me perfectly. How long did the depression last? I can handle any physical wds but this messin w/ my head sh*t is out of control. Doner

[pheggie101]

hi guys and gals.....im a lurker and have been for weeks and weeks. you have helped me so much you will never know, especially mr michael and mr jack, but all of you have, and i do try and keep a angel on my shoulder kip. you see, im not a addict, or alcoholic, and ive tried not to judge. i had my wife, now  ex wife, in detox and every treatment plan know to man, even kept her from jail, but finally, i cut the thread. i still love her more than the breath in my lungs, and all you guys talk of, all the w/d, c/d, the depression, the on and on....i have witnessed this in person from the other side of the glass you look thru. you have helped me understand, you have helped me cope, you have made me welcome. i have seen all the deviant lies, all the "doing what it takes" to get that fix....if i had my way i would go blow up pudue pharama and outlaw oxycontin. she bought it off the street..of course she went the regular route first, the doc shopping, the ER visits, ultram, percs,vics, seems that all the addicts kind of get a circle, they all know who, and when, and where.i just want to thank you all for your heartfelt wins and especially your losses.you will never know the sleepless nites i have endured, and you do cause of insomnia, i do cause my heart is shattered, but what a gift and godsend you all have brought me thru education. yes, i do go to alanon and narcanon, but god grace me as i never had to walk in your shoes, but.......i tried to walk in hers,   thats enough now, but as the thread spoke of 2 days ago, i have a new tool for my "toolbelt" and that is you all......godspeed, and if anybody wants to write, like jack im kinda glued to this..(hi jack)....***@**** also go by jim  xxx

[pammy0690]

Maybe I was typing too fast ***@**** Pam

[pammy0690]

I think I type too fast fast ***@****

[hippy]

depression from withdrawls last about month or so.
it varies with each person.
you may want to try the 5htp sold at the vitamine shop.
some people here at this fourm sware by it.
if your depression is sever and continues you may want
to look into getting prosac,

[Inmytree]

You say the nicest things. BUT ..You are gonna have withdrawls.. man, I see you sugarcoating it and I feel bad for you.. It's gonna hit you... Be prepared...

[Inmytree]

ummmm. hello, most of us ARE addicts dude, what are you saying? God, your grammar is AWESOME dude!!!

[doner]

I cant really translate/understand your post to me about sugarcoating something.Please try and explain it to me in a different way.Thank you,Melissa

[terter]

I told a short story in an earlier post about starting bup and a friend of mine doing it starting today, I'm concerned (this is really about a friend and not me)LOL!!  Anyway she got 1.mg bup 4 times a day for 10 days I get 0.6, I'm not sure why the differance except maybe she told the doc she took more then what she did, The problem is she is already on the phone trying to get a refill of Vics, I told her to give the Bup a chance but I think she will get the vics anyway will she have a reaction if she mixes the meds??? Will the pharmacy see that she got bup and is know getting vics? I looked for Bup on drug checker .com and it said nothing found. Thanks Terri

[hippy]

hi doner, hippy here, i don't think you sugar coated anything
in your post, you said your boyfreind is doing better with his
withdrawls and that you are have a tough time with the severe depression part of withdrawls.
i also had a rough time with the depression. to the point
where i could not even get off the couch or leave the house.
but the receipe helped with it, along with the 5htp.
in the receipe the l-tyrosine 4  500 mgs in the morning
along with 2 100 mg of b-6   helped a lot with the depression and lack of energy,
take it a day at a time and try to  keep busy, find a a couple of good books and try not to sit around doing nothing.
move you body exersize if you can as much as possible.
p.s sorry for the bad grammer. it is the least of my problems.
peace!!!!!!!!!hippy

[Thomas03]

Ultram (tramadol) is a synthetic analogue of codeine. As the doctor says, it only weakly interacts with the brain's Mu receptor sites. Its full effect is assumed to be due to a synergy between it's weak opiate agonist action and it's properties as both a serotonin and norepinephrin reuptake inhibitor. The latter effects are similar to many anti-depressants that extend the life of serotonin and/or norepinephrin in the brain.

Ultram has been used in Germany since the late 70's with markedly little abuse.

[miko]

On my L-tyrosene bottle (500mg,) it indicates only 1 a day. You say 4 in the morning? I want to feel able to get out of bed & shower but I'm kinda leery about taking that much-- funny, ain't it? I'll take handfuls of vikes, but scared of vitamin overdose. I'd like to know exactly what you took day by day & for how long. thank you in advance--i'm still taking these horrible darvocets so i won't crash too hard when i come off altogether.

[Inmytree]

Sorry honey, I just meant that I feel for you. It seems like you are looking for an easy out in regards to the withdrawl thing, and I am just afraid that when the tapering method wears off, you are in for a difficult battle. I read your posts and you are very eloquent but I yearn for you to be clean. Sorry if I have overstepped my boundaries..

[jack daniels]

Well it's day 19 clean....and to tell the truth i feel like **** today...i my head hurts and every bone in my body hurts hell even my hair hurts...not a good day but at least i'm still clean....i'm going to see if i can get some sleep...good day everyone...and good luck with all of that getting stuff...**** i feel bad.....Jack

[Thomas03]

pasted from opioids.com ...

"In 1913, Bayer decided to stop making heroin. There had been an explosion of heroin related admissions at New York and Philadelphia hospitals, and in East Coast cities a substantial population of recreational users was reported (some supported their habits by collecting and selling scrap metal, hence the name "junkie")."

[hippy]

hey miko , welcome, when i 1st came to this fourm
a year and half ago i was trying to detox  by myself my way
to no avil, when i came here they introduced me to thomas's recipe and it said to take 8 500 mgs of l-tyrosine and 2 100 b-6 mgs in the morning along with the rest of the receipe.
like you i was reluctant to take 8 of anything but i did
and it helped me get through the 1st week of withdrawls
a lot easier then i had ever experenced.
there are many people here who have done the same thing .
the receipe helped me more then i could say.
you can find it below listed on one of the threads.

peace!!!!!!!!hippy

[Thomas03]

if you're nervous about taking a high dose, don't. I'd suggest 1500mgs, or 3 of the 500mg capsules with 100mg B6 on an empty stomach, mornings being best. See how you feel and scale it up or down accordingly. Too high a dose can cause a brief episode of the runs occuring within the first hour. It's short lived, however, and will not return during the day. If you're using the Imodium (immodium) to control runs from the detox, the Imodium (immodium) may control any such reaction from the L-Tyrosine. If you get pronounced coffee jitters from your L-Tyrosine dose, then sale it down a bit the next day. The people writing the dosing instructions on the L-Tyrosine don't have our purpose in mind, plus they really have no idea what a proper dose should be anyway. I would try at the very least 1000mgs to get a sense of how it feels, with 1500mgs being my own minimum dose. Good luck.

Thomas

[Jerri2]

Welcome to the board!I/m glad we can help you to understand what your wife is going through.I hope one day she will find her way to freedom from this demon of addiction and you can get back togeather.Its an everyday struggle for us.But it can be done.But only when we are ready for it.It dos'nt matter what anyone tells us unless were ready it wont work!She is very very lucky to be blessed with such a loving and caring man such as you.Keep reading and posting and if I can help in anyway I'm here for you.I'm at the end of day 17 from vics.and percs.this go round!But I figure if I keep trying one time it will work!God Bless...Love   Jerri

[miko]

Thanks for your advice. Wish I'd read it sooner though. Just took 1000 mg of the l-tyrosene & it's 10:45pm. Maybe I won't be up all night. I'm used to no sleep anyway though.

[miko]

I did a search for the Thomas recipe & found Nothing. I don't want to take up space so could someone please email me at ***@****.

[doner]

I am sorry as well as I(reluctanly openly say)do feel you have overstepped your bounds. I have only been on this forum since the beginning of June,you must have been here longer.But I feel you must not have followed my posts very closely as I have come a very long way in my tapering process.In fact,this is the second time today that I have been criticized for my choice in tapering. I have gone from eating/snorting every pill under the sun to shooting 5 80mgs of oxycotin per day to taking 80mgs of methadone a day and have SUCCESSFULLY tapered my way down to 10 mgs of meth per day. Surely after all that,you can see that I clearly understand there is no easy way out. I took most offense to your opinion of my tapering and that it will surely "wear off". Yes, it has been a difficult battle but I have not stumbled once, am very determined and have no doubt that I WILL succeed. No hard feelings as I would like to hear and learn from your experiences but would appreciate it greatly if you would avoid posting discouraging comments in my direction as it seems you do not know my situation well enough to form an objective opinion of me and whether or not I will be successful.Again no hard feelings as I could definitely use some encouraging words (a special thanks to those who have so frequently done so) and I am most interested in hearing about your journeys and learning from your experiences.yours truly,Melissa

[bmac]

JERRI? WATUP?

[Jerri2]

Hey sweet thang!!Hows it hangin?!I mean going??Are you feeling any better??I've been hangin out at drug abuse .com.But they got a bunch of arguing going on over there right now!Seems like we all have to vent all our **** every once in awhile!!I like reading all the B.S.!!I think its my warped druggie mind or something!!I tried a few times on here awhile back to make peace when peeps get into it,but I learned to just sit back and it always blows over..But sometimes I have to put my 2 cents in!!You know how that goes!!!Love ya sweetems..Jerri

[bmac]

As Mikey would say:'shut the f*** up and start the damn song'    Ain't Life Grand!
I am groovy babe and how are U this wonderful Saturday mornin'?

[lisabet]

Jerri - wha' up, girlfriend???  Day 17!!!  That's so great - I'm so-so proud of you.  How are ya feeling? Any withdrawals? (Boy, you're just asking for it asking bmac "how it's hanging"...smile.   (Hi Billy, you old pervert you!)... xoxoxo
Thomas - God it's good seeing you posting again.  I've missed you, and Hippee, as always, your posts are always comforting, like a letter from home.  Hope you all have a great weekend, and are doing well.  Love, Lisabet

[bmac]

There ain't nothin' better than a 'thoughtful' woman, thanx!

[pheggie101]

just cause.......why is that

[Jerri2]

lisabet,I'm doing good so far!Some ups and downs but not to bad!How are you doing sweetie?I still feel like I'm speeding half the time.But dont have any energy to do anything!But I force myself to stay active.And dont listen to my thoughts how if you only take one it will be alright!NOT THIS TIME BUBS!!!!Love ya sweetie!!  Bill,If I tell em to shut the f up they might ban me!!Besides its entertaining sometimes!!I've been playing hearts on the computer alot to keep me busy!I lose most of the time but its something to do when know ones around to post to!!Love to ya sweet thang!!Jerri

[bmac]

Are U asking me Pheggie101? If so, carify. 'just curious'
Hey babes I am feeling a ton better than Tuesday and I hope by Monday I'll be out of traction! LOL Mind traction that is! Hearts on the computer, hey Doll I can give ya sumpin better than that to do(notice right there I could have said something else but I didn't) You are welcome!  Bill

[bryan25503]

Skata,What are some of the non-narcotic ways to releive pain?? I have been on Fiorinal #3 for 5 years for serve back pain because of a back injury and nerve damage. I have been to pain clinics and had the steriod injections done and no releif. I want to get off the pain medication, I dont think at this time I am addicited because I take the medication only for pain and that is the only reason, but when I have kids one day I would love to run and play with them without having so much back pain, the doctor I seen today is sending me to a surgeon to see if surgery is needed or possibly putting in a pain pump, I am so tired of taking medication to get rid of the pain on a daily basis. I dont mean to put you on the spot, but I was just wondering if you knew of something new or different I havent tried, thanks for your time.

[bmac]

When you decide to stop taking them please do it with the help of a doctor or it will hurt. I am a Chronic Pain patient from low back surgery and I have tried to be straight, it hurt!      I won't do it again. LOL  Good luck!  Bmac

[lisabet]

Billy - you big baby!!!!  You really talk the talk (but can you walk the walk?)...smile   JK---I'm glad you're starting to feel better...sounds like you've really been through it this week - hope you're doing better; I was worried about ya!  You always make me smile, and I thank you for that.  Hugs and kisses to ya, you old pervie you...smile..xoxoxo
Jerri - have you tried "freecell"?  That will really keep you occupied for a long time; that or minesweeper!!! (I'm such a "doof" that it took me 5 years to actually understand that one....smile)....but if you're looking for distraction, that's the one to try!  Again, I'm so happy for you; I know you've relasped lots of times (like myself), so just take it a day at a time.  You're doing a hell of a lot better than myself....I'm so happy for ya!  You're such a good person and you deserve it!  Love to you all, Lisabet

[bmac]

Pervert? Old? What guy have you been talkin' to? And yes you are right, I walk the walk LOL  Find Snood and download it and play it, it will drive you crazy, well you know?
I play spidersolitiare and snood. I take morphine, I nod!
Why are you two or three or four still up at this time of the morning? Come on babes, cat gotcha tounge? LOL JK  Bill

[rush2danger]

thanks for the advice about the l-tyrosine/b6/5htp cocktail.. i'll try that tomarrow..
which will be day 7.. i think..
until i found this forum i had no idea how real the depression i had was, or how much the oc's caused it.
i came on here looking for the "painless kick", but am now better off to hear some truth from experienced people.
it's so sad how i used to ride my bike 30-100 miles and now i can't even find the energy to inflate the tires.
anyone else feel cold all the time?
i live in SF, and i know it's chilly here, but i know this is oc derived.. almost as bad as the depression..feeling cold all the time.. really keeps me locked up in the house.

[pepsi4]

Question to all:  Do you want me to use up a "Question Post" and publish the Thomas Recipe (with all disclaimers) so that people can find it using the search function?  I've been debating doing this, as I can almost always post a question -- but I don't want to "use up" a question with the groups approval.  If you think of all of the space that has been used up re-posting the recipe, I think you'll agree it's worth it.  Besides that, we can just  use the rest ot the thread as usual.  I think it would be very helpful having the Thomas recipe available using the simple search function.  Let me know....
Also, I never have had any problems using L-Tryosine and I've taken up to 2000mg at a time.....peace to all and have a great weekend....

[bmac]

You are really gonna give Thomas the big head now. We will never get him to come down now, thanks! You do what you wanna around here and if anybody doesn't like it, give them my email address, it's posted all over the forum like 'The Recipe' LOL  I still take some of the ingredients and it has been since last August I started it. I have lost 42 lbs and feel much better. Alots of energy. But displaying it at the top will cause Thomas to start posting really intellegent posts again and God it is Saturday, give me a break! JK Thomas. Peace!
             Bmac

[terter]

I live in the bay area also but farther south, and yes the fog makes it cool here but I also seem to get cold all the time, I think it has to do with the no energy thing, when we get up and start moving it warms us up, but everytime I went through w/d I would get the chills during the day and sweats at nite. TERRI

[AmberHunter]

jack, hang in there dude, some days are just ****... they just are. but it does get better. i hope that you are feeling a little better now. and congrats on 19 days, that is huge!

and welcome to engsal and skata and anyone else new. i have been board hopping and haven't been posting much here. bad amber!!

i went to the docs yesterday for a check up and i managed to get through a 30 minute visit with only obsessing about asking for narcotics for about 15 minutes of the visit, at which time my blood pressure started to rise, i felt warm, the anticipation of how i was going to go about getting more pills from him was intense for a moment there... so creepy! but as i watched myself go from feeling nice and mellow to feeling all dope-finey i thought to myself, "self, is it really worth it?" and i was able to just surf that urge to drug seek at the doctors. and he is a relatively new doc and i haven't asked for anything in a long time so i figured he would be easy to make. i even feel bad about posting about it on here. and i like him so much i want to keep him as a doctor and i don't want to lose his respect or lose respect for myself either.

as far as ultram goes, i have said it before and i will say it again... i am so thankful that i didn't get any kind of buzz on ultram... i did have withdrawl after taking them once for only two weeks and was shocked at how bad i felt. so i can only imagine what taking them for a few years and coming off of them would be like.

well, i have rambled long enough here! hey bill!! haven't heard from you in awhile!!! lol!!

peace,

amber

[bmac]

Hey Babe I ain't gone nowhere! I was watching you! I know the feeling of being in the office and knowing how and what to say. I have been lucky over all these years to be able to express my thougths enough so a doc can believe me when I tell him I need something. It also got me strungout a few times too. You did good Amber, that was a tuff thing to do! Love ya, Bill

[doner]

Morning all(I guess I slept in)No one posted a qustion but of course I have one.Everyone has heard me whine about my crazy depression(you've all been great)but promise to push it off on someone else from here out as it takes up too much space for words that dont help anybody.Anyway question: I have had desperate fear of leaving the house for about 6 wks.When I woke up today my b/f had the kids at with a sitter and told me I WAS coming out today and hes taking the computer for a few days.Can he do that?Is that support or furious rage.Im crying that I dont want to go but he says its for my own good and I need to get out.I told him to F off aqnd locked the door to this room.But Ill have to pee sometime.Can he make me leave,I guess the question is:Is he really trying to help?Anyone else ever been in a situation like this?Input would be super right now.Thanks Doner

[AmberHunter]

can he do that? do you mean legally? i don't know babe, you have been in the house for 6 weeks? isolating? agoraphobic? what's going on that you have not gone outside for 6 weeks???? it sounds like the dude cares but if you feel terror going outside i don't know what to say... i know how seductive the computer can be as a friend, companion, mother, father, lover etc... but there is this other world that exists outside of your front door, maybe you might want to check it out? if you really can't get yourself to do it you have some decisions to make. keep us posted, i didn't know you had been inside this long. i have been there melissa, to the point of not even showering for two, three days at a time. not a healthy way to live.

love,

amber

[doner]

Yeah its been that long and that bad.Showered for the first time in 4 days(last night actually,just to wash the stink of)The last time I left it was to see the dr. for this problem and had a panic attack in his office.Nurses were freakin and **** that made it worse.Finally the dr.kicked everyone out and lowered the light and I made it through the appt. He gave me paxil YUCK.It caused my migraines to flare.So I have to see him next Friday again. It seems suitable to me that I can stay in til then.My b/f is just freakin out because I shut the shades and keep lights low.He leaves at 8 am to work comes home about 7pm and I havnt moved.The lack of eating is bothering him too.I cant blame him for being aggitated I actually should be grateful as I dont think anyone else would put up with this.This is just how I feel right now and when he threatens to make me move or eat or whatever it makes me want to do it even less.After he starts yelling I just tell him to leave me alone,then he goes in the garage and throws **** for awhile,but at least hes leaving me alone. I feel Ill be ready for my appt. on Friday and thats the best I can offer him.Im just afraid he is truely going to physically force me outside. The thought of it scares the hell out of me.Thanks Amber I can tell that you understand,Melissa

[terter]

I had a similar thing happen, I didn't have a problem going out but I didn't have energy to do or go anywhere, but the computer thing-- I don't stay on the computer but I check this site through out the day. My husband doesn't understand what this site does for an addict, We come here for support,the feeling of not being the only one to go through this. Questions which have helped me a lot- and to help others b/c it makes us feel good. Maybe you should try to get out but make him promise if you start feeling terrible that he'll take you home, Explain you need the companionship of others who understand what your going through so I will continue with the computer. Getting better is a priority but a lil compromise doesn't hurt. Just a thought- Good luck. Terri

[dandiggler]

its been 7 days since i have took tabs but for that 7 days been taking ultram did i waste my time now i feel like jus taking 50 tabs and forgeting it all

[frosty02631]

I started taking ultram in 1999 - my doctor old me it was a non-narcotic pain releiver than was not addicting - dr's hav no clue - it is now 2007 and i tried many many times to quit - i decided i was going to do it this time and here is something that really really works if you have the REAL WANT to get off them
i started tapering down from 10 ultram per day.  it takes a longtime an LOTS of willpower.  you need to tape down each week by one pill per week.  here is a vitamin cocktail that really helps during the proess:  MORNING:  take 4 500mg L-tyrisine, 1 2 mg copper cap, 1 Bcomplex, 1 400 mf Magnesium, 1 1000mg calcium, 1 15 mg Zinc.  EVENING:  abt 1/2 hr b4 bdtime - take 1 400 mg magnesium, 1 100 mg Niacin, and 1 5-HPT (that contains 100mg of valerian, & 10 mg of B6) the evening cocktail helps you sleep and the magnesium helps the leg pain.  also you should eat 3 meals a day and if possible take a walk (abt 2 miles in the morning) i have also found that a vitamin B-12 patch (you can buy these online - search fo B-12 patch) oncce a week helps with energy levels.
I hope this helps everyone who wants to get off these "non-addivtive" pills.
LOL frosty02631

[frosty02631]

I started taking ultram in 1999 - my doctor old me it was a non-narcotic pain releiver than was not addicting - dr's hav no clue - it is now 2007 and i tried many many times to quit - i decided i was going to do it this time and here is something that really really works if you have the REAL WANT to get off them
i started tapering down from 10 ultram per day.  it takes a longtime an LOTS of willpower.  you need to tape down each week by one pill per week.  here is a vitamin cocktail that really helps during the proess:  MORNING:  take 4 500mg L-tyrisine, 1 2 mg copper cap, 1 Bcomplex, 1 400 mf Magnesium, 1 1000mg calcium, 1 15 mg Zinc.  EVENING:  abt 1/2 hr b4 bdtime - take 1 400 mg magnesium, 1 100 mg Niacin, and 1 5-HPT (that contains 100mg of valerian, & 10 mg of B6) the evening cocktail helps you sleep and the magnesium helps the leg pain.  also you should eat 3 meals a day and if possible take a walk (abt 2 miles in the morning) i have also found that a vitamin B-12 patch (you can buy these online - search fo B-12 patch) oncce a week helps with energy levels.
I hope this helps everyone who wants to get off these "non-addivtive" pills.
LOL frosty02631

[frosty02631]

I started taking ultram in 1999 - my doctor old me it was a non-narcotic pain releiver than was not addicting - dr's hav no clue - it is now 2007 and i tried many many times to quit - i decided i was going to do it this time and here is something that really really works if you have the REAL WANT to get off them
i started tapering down from 10 ultram per day.  it takes a longtime an LOTS of willpower.  you need to tape down each week by one pill per week.  here is a vitamin cocktail that really helps during the proess:  MORNING:  take 4 500mg L-tyrisine, 1 2 mg copper cap, 1 Bcomplex, 1 400 mf Magnesium, 1 1000mg calcium, 1 15 mg Zinc.  EVENING:  abt 1/2 hr b4 bdtime - take 1 400 mg magnesium, 1 100 mg Niacin, and 1 5-HPT (that contains 100mg of valerian, & 10 mg of B6) the evening cocktail helps you sleep and the magnesium helps the leg pain.  also you should eat 3 meals a day and if possible take a walk (abt 2 miles in the morning) i have also found that a vitamin B-12 patch (you can buy these online - search fo B-12 patch) oncce a week helps with energy levels.
I hope this helps everyone who wants to get off these "non-addivtive" pills.
LOL frosty02631

[Angelchandan]

Hey guys i have been using 7 to 8 Avil 50 mg tablets everyday for last many years. would you please guide me what all can happen as i stop it immediately. my id is ***@****

[wcgurl]

Does anyone know if suboxone helps with ultram withdrawels? I took ultram for pain for 6 months and now can't get off. I know where to get suboxone and that's why I'm asking. Any info will help!

[wildwoodone]

This is a very old post.  Click on the top to make your own new post and you will get more answers.  I believe it will be easier for you to quit Tramadol than taking Suboxone and having to get off of it.  My suboxone withdrawals were worse than any other drug withdrawals I had.