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Thanks again!
At this point I cant even tell anyone, its hard for me to even admit it to myself. Im scared
will I die in my sleep if I stop with out help? and If I tell someone will they tell me I am going to die from cancer after all the abuse my body has endured, I feel so alone and scared, I think sometimes that the only way I will ever stop is if a major problem arises, so far it hasentI have been lucky.
But for how long
-yuna
PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ HELP. im kinda like grounded from it thought so like ya.....but i will eventually read it. thanks peoples!
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The maximum recommended dose by the AMA is 300mg. They give that to patients in hospitals and pregnant mothers. Look it up. That amount is not going to kill you. Some of that may be paranoia, a common symptom of diphenhydramine - it makes things seem so intense, doesn't it? I'd almost say poignant.
You are _not_ weak, or childish for exploring the sensations it provides. It's hard to discuss with people how intensely interesting these effects are and be taken seriously. My favorite is to take a high dose (600-800mg) and ponder why the universe exists. :)
This may make you feel better -- it's an article about a fifty five year old man on anti-psychotics who gradually increased his dosage to 1600mg PER DAY for two years. His health care providers recognized a diphenhydramine dependence developing and gradually lowered his dose until he could get off of it in favor of a better treatment for his condition.
http://jdc.jefferson.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=jeffjpsychiatry
It can be difficult to abstain from it, especially if you've explored its more pleasurable or interesting psychological effects. It's not physically addictive, but neither is pizza, or porn.
Tips:
- Liver damage comes from acetaminophen, not from diphenhydramine. Diphenhydramine is not known for its hepatoxicity (liver damaging) or renal toxic (kidney damaging). But READ THE LABEL to make sure it has no acetaminophen or any other active ingredients.
- Always take liquid gel-caps (Unisom liquicaps in blue) instead of hard pills (Benadryl/Simply Sleep), because the hard pills settle in the lining of your stomach and cause irritation, sometimes for days afterward. Heartburn can be relieved / prevented by taking an extra strength acid-reducer Zantac at the same time. Diphenhydramine also has topical anesthetic properties, also contributing to tummy lining irritation.
- But please limit your high doses (300mg+) to occasional use. It's best to intermittently abstain it for a week or two at a time, because that lowers your tolerance for it, and the next time it's twice as strong.
A while ago I had some advice on how to sleep better (actually, I just told the psychologist everything I had already tried and she said "sounds like you covered everything") without adding anything at all, but she wrote down that she had given me advice and then my doctor refused to give me sleeping medication when I asked for it due to having the most important job interview of my life and needing some sleep to be on top form. The doctor said "you've been given all the advice you need, follow it [I was following it, it was my own dam advice] I'm not giving you anything". I really hate the arrogant stupidity of most doctors who pay more attention to your record on their computer than what you are telling them you are suffering with.
Anyway, my blood pressure has started fluctuating strangely (to higher than it's previous highs) so I decided I should get rid of these things. I was first given sleep medication at 10, I've always had trouble sleeping.
Anyway, this is a potent med, It's not a very mild sleep aid if you take more then the recommended maximum with something that raises seratonin slightly, it's quite potent.
It's a pity the arrogance and general stupidity of the medical profession makes people take health into their own hands. We might not always make the best choices, but I've been told repeatedly I've been wrong about things I've turned out to be right about by doctors before and now I feel I must medicate myself. This is easy to get hold of and wont get you arrested.
So now, I should probably go to the doctor regarding the strange blood pressures but I cannot because they will write something else down on their stupid report and then believe me even less next time. I had to argue with one for an hour before the idiot would x-ray my foot once, just to find out it was broken, just like I told him it was and he insisted he knew my own body better than me.
I really hate doctors. Their knowledge is impressive, but their judgement is lousy; especially when they think they know the patient better than the patient does. Now I have no respect for them, just like they have no respect for me. I thought they were supposed to help people :/
Maybe there would be less people "abusing" this OTC medication if doctors dropped their arrogance. I guess it's not as bad in the US where their paycheck depends to some degree on your happiness. Here in the UK while you are in hospital they spend most of the time moaning to you about other patients. They are a joke. The medical profession has become a scandal.
I've been an abuser for somewhere between 2 to 3 years (I'm 28 now). Yesterday I actually made a decision to stop (I finally told my mother about it), but one thing keeps bothering me, and that is that I have occassionally stopped, and always seemed to have stomach pains the following day, so I'd take some more that night and it made it stop. The withdrawal symptoms concern me.
One thing Icelander said interests me... that when they went to sleep they couldn't seem to wake up easily. I didn't take any last night, but I felt delirious when I got up this morning. I don't feel so well right now. The stomach pains are coming, and my head is somewhat foggy... however, I didn't eat until about 6, so I never know the true cause of my symptoms.
I did tell a psych doctor once about this, and they advised me to gradually decrease my dose... perhaps this may be helpful. I simply can't afford to go cold turkey for the next few days, as I have important dates (birthdays and work related), so I won't be able to take sick days. I may have to plan for that the week after. However I'm a serious about this, and I will be communicating with my mom on the subject, bc I want to get out of this.
At 5'4" and weighing 95 lbs, I have taken anywhere from 2 pills to 10 at a time (at 25mg a pill). I have never taken more than an absolute max of 16 pills in one night. I have varied the dose over the years as tolerance can drop quickly. Too much isn't always good. I find 4 to 8 at a time the most ideal effects.
Heart problems seemed to be the doctors greatest concern, for those who want to know.
Anyway, I would be very interested in talking to any of you, as I need help as well as have experience.
Will this go away?
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Prescription for propranolol and relafin and neither work. Doctors don't want me getting hooked on narcotic painkillers(my family history has a past or somethin of extreme addiction) I took diphenhydramine to get me
To sleep.
I looked it up on the net and found you could trip on it.
So I took five and just felt drunk and heavy. I did that everyday. And I now don't want to take them. Whenever I don't have them I don't sleep at all. Is there something that both kills the pain
And puts me
To sleep. I've had this headache for about 2 months and it's the equivalent of 3 migranes and a
Fat man stomping on my head. I don't know if I'm addicted to sleeping pills, but I've really kinda given up. Any chance that comes to me for anything, I will take it. Illegally or legally.
Please help
Does anyone out there take them to get high? Of do you need them just to sleep?
Either way, you need to talk to a dr. If you do not have insurance, go to the ER and ask if they have a walk in clinic for those who are not dying and talk to a med professional.
I have taken sleep aids before, but always had the hangover in the morning. Do not like that. What is so wonderful about feeling as though you could just fall out anywhere? I like to feel up, that is what Narcs do to me. To get off that kind of meds yu will need professional help for sure. IF you go to the ER, or clinic, and you do not have insureance, them have them bill you and do your best to pay them every month so you will have a Dr t go to if nesscarry.
There all are kinds of ways to get to sleep, I have no issure getting there, it is staying there that suchs for me. As I tell my son in Afganinstan (SP), be strong, be brave, and watch your own behind. Same to all of you.
But I won't stop fighting it. It is addictive, but it can be overcome.
well ty l8er.
I didn't have any hallucinations but I really scared myself as there were several instances where I felt my heart was going to beat out of my chest; I did some breathing exercises to calm down but it was scary.
Finally after a few hours I fell flat asleep. When I woke up in the morning, I was incredibly depressed. Like, the worst ever. My boyfriend takes paxil and he said I was probably having some sertaonin issues so he recommended I take one (note: I'm not condoning taking other people's prescriptions meds, I honestly felt suicidal at this point). After about an hour, the paxil made me feel soooooooo much better; I got through the day. However, the next morning I woke up AGAIN Depressed as hell. So I took another paxil. What do you know, no hangover again.
But now I'm worried-did I do too much simply sleep? Why does the paxil completely get rid of the hangover? And am I going to be addicted to paxil now? I thought I would just have a one day hangover but these depressed moods I wake up with are terrible. Anyone have any advice on these issues?
thanks for your stories everyone, you are not allone
Just like most of everyone here, I started taking a few tylenol PMs for sleep, eventually 2 would have no effect, so i upped to 5 tylenol PMs to sleep until i found out acetomenophin -the pain killer- in the pills cause liver damage. So i started taking the walmart 25 MG diphenhydramine. For the first year or so i never used them to get high because i never thought they could make you high, until a depressing turn of events happend in my life. I thought hey if i just take a whole lot of these pills i will sleep for 2 days straight and escape the world. Thats how i found out about the euphoria this drug brings me when taken in high dosages.
I would take half a box of the 25MG walmart brand pills and become very euphoric, nothing mattered, my thoughts would flow from my head with ease. Now for 2 years ive taken a whole box nightly. I havent upped my dosage in 2 years, mainly because for some reason my tolerance isnt getting higher even taking a whole box for 2 years everynight. It always takes me to the place where i want to go at the end of the day and escape. Even when my life would seem happy, i would still take a whole box everynight. It seems after being on it this long, the tinyest bit of irritation around me i cant tolerate, kids yelling, the tv, daily traffic noise, the rude person at the cashiers desk, my friends. Anything that would upset me even a little bit seemed so hard to take. Things i used to enjoy would irritate me to the maximum.
Even if i was happy, i would down a whole box because eventually for 2 years taking the med i found it induces a rather creative side of you. At least for me. Im the lead singer in a rock band and i found when i sit alone, high off of one box of this stuff, my ability to write creative lyrics came so natural to me, it has helped me become popular for my lyrical content. On the downside, the lifestyle i live supports this kind of abuse, and being a normal working man had no interest in me, my lust for money and care for those that i need to support were gone. Nothing mattered. Ive been diagnosed as a neurotic, which the term doesnt exist anymore but the symptoms still occur. I still take a whole box a night, just because im afraid if i stop, im going to go more insane than I already am.
Anyway, I have not experienced any type of harmful sideeffect while on this drug. Alcohol does in fact amplify the euphoria these pills can bring. Though i dont reccomend it, because they both act as a depresser and too much at one time can cause problems. Also, it may help someone but, ive also tried mixing this drug with various others. Ive taken a bottle, and smoked weed a few times, it could be just me but that was the most unpleasent experience, i couldnt relax because the nausea i would get from smoking weed while being on this drug. Constant throwing up. It isnt pleasent.
Also have tried DXM with this drug. For some, this would be a scary and unpleasent trip. But for me, it achieved exactly what i wanted, a very delusional world where its only me. horrific hallucinations while driving. I could be on my home road that ive driven through for 10 years and not realize where I am, i would be driving 5 mph thinking im about to break the speed limit. I dont advise this, but for me its pleasent.
Anyway, hope this helps.
I more or less stopped sleeping with my husband, stopped doing things with my kids, stopped doing housework, stopped everything. Those pills had me MESSED UP. I would stay up all night, fall asleep in the morning and feel like I was nearly in a coma. I could not force myself to wake up until the drugs were out of my system somewhat. I can not tell you how many things I missed, whole entire days that went by and I was asleep. It has seriously hurt my life in so many ways. I became antisocial, distanced from my family, I've been unemployed, missing school events and sports events with my kids. And I would just always tell them "I can't sleep at night, so I have to sleep when I can". They thought I was an insomniac, not a drug addict.
I felt like a failure. Who the hell gets addicted to Benadryl? A loser, right? Well...I am not a loser, but I sure got addicted.
Two weeks ago tomorrow, I quit. I just said, NO MORE. And I stopped taking them. I just stopped. No weaning, no excuses, I just quit. The first few days, I had NO withdrawals at all. I did have some nausea, seemed to get sick after each time I would eat. But I got through that in the first week and now I'm FINE!!
My life has improved greatly in two weeks. I sleep normal hours, I get up when I'm supposed to, I talk to my kids, I do laundry, I clean the house, I talk on the phone, I take care of my animals, I've picked up photography again, and I'm looking for a job. I am happier and less depressed than I have been in years. The pills had me so screwed up, I didn't even feel like a normal person. I was just a shadow of what I used to be, what I needed to be. I am really happy right now. And proud of myself, too.
If you are reading this, and you have the same problem I did, JUST STOP. It will be hard at first, you might have a hard time adjusting to not taking them. Just DON'T! I never thought I would last two weeks, but I can tell you that it's worth it, and your life will improve greatly. I feel like a real person again. It feels good!
Hope my story helps someone out there....you can stop. Just do it!
I've always been a pretty light sleeper, and little things that cause me worry usually keep me awake a few hours later when going to sleep. Being in a new state with no friends, and knowing that the person i cared about most no longer wanted to have anything to do with me pretty much put an end to my sleep.
I constantly felt like i had a cold. i was just sick in general, emotional stress was enough to make me ill, but the 2 hours MAX of sleep each night helped me feel sick as well.
I used alcohol to start to get some sleep. After driving to work in the morning hung over (and probably still legaly drunk), i decided i had to do something else.
I picked up some tylonol PM and started taking 2-4 a night. They really did the trick, an hour after i took them, i was out. I did some research, and found that the sleepy - drug in them was diphenhydramine. i knew acetametophen was bad for the liver, so i decided to just buy the walmart brand allergy tabs for much cheaper too.
Each week i seemed to take a few more pills (25mg each). I really started to feel good when i took them. All my stress went away, and i was happy knowing id get a full night of sleep. It wasnt long before i found out i could get a pretty sweet euphoria buzz 30-40 min after taking about 6 of these pills. I usually feel really cold when the buzz kicks in, then really good. communication is nearly immpossble, this isnt a party drug (for me anyways). when i take 300mg i have no will to talk to anyone, or do anything except listen to music, and maybe play some simple flash games on the computer. When i do go out in public after taking large doses, its kind of scary. i havent done much human interacting while high on this stuff though. Once while taking the garbage out, i saw a car at the end of the parking lot, probably going 5 mph, and 100 yards away, but my heart started racing, and i felt like i had to run to get out of its way! It is also hard to keep my eyes focused on any one thing for very long. the sun destroys me, most lights are way to bright. The morning after taking large quantities though... my fingers feel numb, for the better part of the day my mind feels really cloudy. almost like im watching myself in a dream. Its really hard to talk to people, its almost painfull to talk. i cant concentrate on anything. i feel like a zombie.
Ive been taking the stuff for a few months now. ive taken up to 14 pills in the span of an hour, and i assume i'll probably take it farther. Im a male about 200 lbs 24 years old, just to get a sence of dose / body type.
The biggest issue with this drug is, i need my mind alot if i want to be good at my job, while under its effects, i have pretty much no short term memory, far worse then booze has ever done to me. Also physically, my heart really beats fast, i'm not in the BEST shape, i probably dont eat the most healthiest foods, and im sure my blood pressure must be higher than normal. I can see heart failure in my future if i keep this up.
As for that girl i was talking about earlyer, i've gotten over her, i know i would in time. but i dont see myself really meeting anyone else, as a friend or otherwise. i was fairly antisocal before, and this drug really keeps my ambitions down. If youre still reading this, i hope it atleast gives you something to think about. as for me, i dont know if ill stop using diphen, i probably should if i want a healthy body / mind, but we shall see. maybe ill stop back here in a month and let the internet know how its going -