father on drugs

[november 29]

I have a girl pregnant and she is 2 months.I smoke pot every day and do other things sometimes will the pot harm the baby because that is what I DO THE MOST.DOESSHE ALSO NEED TO TELL HER Dr.THAT I AM A BIG POT SMOKER?

[SHOTSY]

I personally don't believe this is necessary. And don't believe your use will cause great harm. I think more approiately you should think of your future and your baby's. Children are expensive. Ask anyone one this site. And unless you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, your going to have to do a little finanical planning.There will probaly never be enough money to do everything you want when you have a child. But please think about your baby's needs before you spend all your money on pot. I've  known many people who couldn't afford to buy their kid's shoes or clothes, but always seemed to have their smoke. Having to go to their parents to help take care of their child.Have the mom to get regular prenatal care and everything should well. Get you ducks in a row and love love your baby, for they will change your life forever. Good luck and stay in touch, SHotsy

[cindi]

I agree with Shotsy,,,,Welcome to the forum,,,I don't really think as far as prenatally baby and mom have anything to worry about as far as dad's pot smoking but like shotsy..Actually,,,,there is a bigger link with pot smoking and infertility...like Shotsy said  think about the future....the money etc..trust us  kids are not cheap...and it only gets worse as they get older  LOL...now, God knows i don't want to sound like I'm preaching cuz I truly am not but there are other things to think about while mom is carrying the baby...like not smoking around mom...not a good idea for her to inhale the pot...being carful not to smoke around the baby after it is born..etc..all the common sense things.....good luck to you and mom both and keep us posted.....love to all      cindi

[Thomas]

sorry to hijack, but is anyone here just a little worried that Pakistan has nuclear weapons? It wouldn't take much for a revolution to happen. Then ... we'd have our worst nightmare: an islamic bomb. I feel like the main character in the film, Naked, talking about Revelations and Nostradamus and the end of the world while drunk and out of control ... We all knew the millenium would bring something. I'm afraid to know what this all means. Any ideas?

[Thomas]

I don't think you have anything to worry about with the pot, not that I know of, anyway. How does the prospect of being a parent strike you? I bet it wasn't in the plan. I know my son wasn't. Yet, today, he's 24 and boy am I glad he's around!

[Marryanne]

I have to say Thomas, that my thinking has been right along with yours.  I am so worried about nuclear arms too!  and bioterrorism.  Anthrax may only be the tip of the iceberg.  I am especially worried about them letting out a bad non-treatable virus!  What kind of world and future do we and our children have to look forward too?  Thinking of you all and as always, God Bless (America) - Love, Mare

[Durty]

Hate to bust in but have question maybe someone can help.  Has to do with hydro tolerance.  I started as directed on hydro for pain management about 2yrs ago.  Between managing the pain and mostly abuse I got up to 100mg+ day. Way more than I needed for pain.  I tappered myself off and stopped for 30 days (what a ***** that was) with idea that I could start back and take just what I need for the pain management - thinking the tolerance I developed might have diminished.  Unfortunately that didn't happen.  I'm now finding myself right back where I started and even worse off at 125-150mg a day.  Now, I'm trying to tapper again. Is the tolerance I developed for hydro a permanent thing?  Will it ever diminsh? I know I have a problem, thats why I hear reading each day. After this tapper I hope to stay off and next trip to pain clinic going to discuss any other non narcotic options. Appreciate any feedback    Durty  

[katie r]

Can my liver travel with yours on the freak show? Kinda like a "his and hers"
virgin? what's that?
I'm going thru an early menapause too....so can I join the female army? Send me out there when I've ran out of pain pills and they'll all be sorry! I can't even stand to be around myself when I going thru withdrawals.

[skipper]

shea:
you and the rest of the world (well everybody in this forum) are
looking for an opiate that a person can't build up a tolerence as
quickly too. a while back i was looking through a quarterly from
england called "the british journal of addiction." (those limey's
take their dope real serious) i came across an article that pon-
dered just that question. the author talked about a opiate deriv-
etive called levo-phanol. it's an intresting opiate because it has
no seditive qualitys what so ever. imagine that, wide awake and
feeling soo good you had to curl your toes up, but wide awake. the
author of this article noted that tollerence to this drug happened
much more slowly than other opiates. it was sold in this country
under the trademark name of levro-dromorian. i asked my smiling
pharmisist about this and he said he hadn't seen a perscription to
it in 15 years, so best of luck finding it in the good ol' USA.
keep an angel on your shoulder!
kip

[Shea]

I appreciate your reply. Hydro has been my drug for years.  And i know any opiate will build a tolerance. but as thomas was saying the second time around it builds quicker. so would changing drugs make a difference that it might be a little slower? Or will it all be the same. Just for the hell of it i am going to question my pharmacist regarding the drug you were speaking of. i wonder why they don't use it any longer. thanks for your time skipper.

May you find peace

Shea

[Hobbitz]

Phooey!!!   100 mgs?    Start taking around 70-75 vicoden per day (approx. 500 mgs ) and then start talking to Thomas, my ole buddy!

                 Hobs

P.s.  Then again, bad advice-bad for the liver.   Find a real dope habit if you're going that route.

[skipper]

Thomas:
Such a disturbing question that was contained in your post about
an Islamic atom bomb. Several other people i've crossed paths with in the last several weeks have been quitely posing the same question. one of the things i find most disturbing is the hushed and muted tones this question is being asked in...almost like there is not anyone who dares speak of the matter out loud or in the light of day. i was raised in the shadow of the cold war as so many of us were. i remember the cuban missle crisis. i remeber JFK telling people to build bomb shelters...

there just isn't enough oxy-c or any other dope to blot this out!
so what do we do about it?? i suspect the answer has already been
answered. we bring the unspoken questions and their associated
fears out into the light of day. we must speak the unspeakable before we will recieve answers to questions yet unasked.

what was the song, (by some canidan guy) about dreaming about the
lions last night and how they were not half as scary as the night
before? i pose this same question about my drug addiction. living
with the afliction of addiction just isn't as bad what i always
feared it would be. the actual reality isn't as bad as the fear
that procedes it.

guess there really is something to living one day at a time!!

hey, keep an angel on your shoulder--you may need one sometime!
kip

[cindi]

I got your mail and i have not answered...why?  Christ...I don't have an answer..i read the mail last night,,,came to the forum and read this post of yours and shut down..laid there awake for a long time listening to the wind,,,then the quiet,,then the sleet and wind again,,,wondering what's next...I often ask the same questions but to myself,,I don't want to know I guess....not this morning,,,i have a life to get to..a little girls soccer game...I can't think...But the good thoughts I do have right now are of you all     love cin

[skipper]

cindi:
what answers can one expect from questions unasked? i truly be-
lieve that my fear and ignorence is one of the things that is keep-
ing me stoned!
i need the angels of the forum,
sitting on my shoulder...
kip

[kstuebin]

I live next to Aberdeen Proving Grounds which is the home of the HQ of SBCCOM. (Soldiers Biological and Chemical Command). My father, ex-husband and I all work or worked on post.  I've lived my entire life with a chemical warfare outlook, you might say.  As you probably know, the US stopped making chemical or biological weapons in the 1970's. Can't say the same for bin Laden or Iraq. Anyway, my great fear isn't a nuclear weapon which would be bad but the release of smallpox.  Look how badly the anthrax situation was handled.  (And I get my mail through that facility that was contaminated.) All it would take is a few suicidal  bin Laden followers infecting themselves with smallpox and then heading out to the malls.  We would have no defense.  CDC only has 15 million doses of vaccine and those are 25 years old!  It would be impossible to contain. We're talking worldwide epidemic. It's 80% contagious to anyone who comes into contact with it. 30% fatality rate and everybody else is scarred and disfigured for the rest of their lives. I just pray that they don't have access to smallpox and that we catch them before they do. I know this is way off the subject of addiction but to be honest it scares me so much, it makes me just want to zone out until it's all over.

[Shea]

OH MY..Smallpox. That is what has me the most freaked out. The Anthrax is bad enough  but Smallpox is just unthinkable. And I was thinking the same thing. Just infect a few of Satan's spawns (suicidal terrorists)and put them out into the population.
And there are so many people that just brush this idea off as if it is far fetched. GEESH.

Shea

[skipper]

yesterday at the university i work at the US army's college of
war hosted a gathering of military officers from 42 different countrys. i happend to be working in the building this gathering took place at. i had the unique and unforgetable expierence of getting stranded on a stuck elevator for the beter part of an hour. I shared this expierence with 2 other people. one was a col. in the US army. the other was an officer in the army of Argentina (spelling). I used the oppertunity to ask them both a number of question. i was suddenly shutup by the officer from Argentina. if i remember correctly he told me that someone from his country would either be very brave or very stupid to ask so many questions! (THIS COMING FROM A 5' TALL MAN WHOSE HAT WAS EASILY 3 TIMES THE SIZE OF THE AMERICAN OFFICER'S HAT!) i've never thought of myself as brave, so i must be stupid! all i can say for sure is i'm thankful to live in a country where you don't have to be either be brave or stupid to ask questions!!(i really wanted to ask the argentina army officer about the size of his hat but, the elevator started running before i could!)

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Shea]

That story sure is a keeper huh. Yes, you are right it shows how lucky we are to have the freedom we do. So many people don't realize that. I was in Peru about 11 years ago adopting my child. The country was recessed by about 35 years. They were on the brink of a civil war. Actually, there was a lot of controversy we found out later about why any one was sent to Peru at that time since things were so bad. They had two gorilla groups in full swing. The MRTA (which were more political aimed) And The Shining Path which were just brutal. I was in the country for 3 1/2 months. Was to only be 2 weeks. Both my husband and I were taken hostage. We were also held at gunpoint by corrupt police. the gorilla groups were bombing continuously. It was to the point the sound of the explosions stopped startling us. Anyhow, my point here is...I also am thankful to live in this country.

It must have been odd almost being reprimanded in your own country by this man. Thank God you didn't have a full bladder when you stepped on the elevator. LOL

Thank you I really enjoyed that story and will share it with others.

May you Find Peace

Shea

[kstuebin]

I am passing this on to anyone who can relate :-)

Woman Power!

Take all American women who are within five years of menopause - train us for a few weeks, outfit us with automatic weapons, grenades, gas masks, moisturizer with SPF15, Prozac, hormones, chocolate, and canned tuna - drop us (parachuted, preferably) across the landscape of Afghanistan, and let us do what comes naturally. Think about it. Our anger quotient alone, even when doing standard stuff like grocery shopping and paying bills, is formidable enough to make even armed men in turbans tremble. We've had our children, we would gladly suffer or die to protect them and their future. We'd like to get away from our husbands, if they haven't left already. And for those of us who are single, the prospect of finding a good man with whom to share life is about as likely as being struck by lightning. We have nothing to lose. We've survived the water diet, the protein diet, the carbohydrate diet, and the grapefruit diet in gyms and saunas across America and never lost a pound. We can easily survive months in the hostile terrain of Afghanistan with no food at all! We've spent years tracking down our husbands or lovers in bars, hardware stores, or sporting events...finding bin Laden in some cave will be no problem. Uniting all the warring tribes of Afghanistan in a new government? Oh, please ... we've planned the seating arrangements for in-laws and extended families at Thanksgiving dinners for years ... we understand tribal warfare. Between us, we've divorced enough husbands to know every trick there is for how they hide, launder, or cover up bank accounts and money sources. We know how to find that money and we know how to seize it ... with or without the government's help! Let us go and fight. The Taliban hates women. Imagine their terror as we crawl like ants with hot-flashes over their godforsaken terrain. I'm going to write my Congresswoman. You should, too!

[skipper]

Shea:
what an intreating life you must have had so far. i am somewhat a-
ware of the politics of international adoption and from what i un-
derstand, it can get real complex real fast!
Oh yeah, I did have a full bladder (never been stuck on a elevator
without one). The most difficult part of it was not to fall down
laughing at this little man who reminded me of a rooster!
Kstueban:
Your idea makes perfect sense to me. How about an elite corp of
women of irish extraction? my wife would look good in a Green
beret.

[SHOTSY]

Well ,I'm so glad that cat is out of the bag. We do have to face our fears before we can began to conquer them. But in light of what's happening defining the fears are difficult. I've been functioning the last few years on the premise 'It's not a probality but a possiblity'. And that's the way I've been living. I believe Dr. Phil said it approiately that we can never go back to what was normal on Sept. 10. We have to figure out a "new" normal. Geeze, isn't that going to be fun.I think the thing about Nostradamus now is that you have some kooks that are saying " Yeah, Nostradamus prdicted it but I'm going to make it happen." To me it's the chicken or the egg therory again. Which is coming first.....I believe as long as man can dream we will go on..We just need more dreamers instead of nightmare makers.Is the balance tilted right now? It feels like it is.I think everyone is scared to some degree. I'm hoping that living in the greatest nation in the world that we'll pull thru this. Dr. Jeffrey Koplen stated that they  didn't think it was possible for anthrax to escape the letters. Because of that thinking 2 postal workers died. Our leaders need to function on the premise that anything is a possibility then I think we'll be a little safer. And it appears they are starting to do that.I just hope the old saying that which doesn't kill us makes us stronger holds true. Right now I feel like a jellyfish, but even he  has a terrible sting. I'm sure we'll all bounce back in time. Courage is not the absence of fear, but the conquest of it.Peace to all, my courageous forum family, Shotsy

[SHOTSY]

You are hilarious. LOL LOL LOL!!!.I think your on to something.Isn't it very telling that these men want to die so they can have their harem of virgins. Geeze no wonder things are in such turmoil, they have **** for brains.. Sorry to my forum men, I know you don't fall into this category. They just haven't realized that these women will go thru menopause then they'll be in hell. JOkes on them... LOL. Shotsy

[cindi]

LOLOL  that was great...I am 41  going through perimenopause,,,and Irish has the Irish temper  I have the Italian temper..nuff said................you always have given me things to think about...about how can questions be answered when they aren't asked....and as for the little man on the elevator  I would have pissed on his shoes..better yet,,,his hat..... can ya tell I'm hormonal again?   love to all  cin

[Thomas]

my experience with hydro tolerance is that abstenence lowers your initial tolerance, but you increase that initial tolerance faster than you did the first time you started using. If one could clean up, then use hydro only when they truly needed it, who knows? I'll have to try it sometime ...

[Thomas]

after I'm dead, my liver will live on to become part of travelling freak show.

[Thomas]

ever wonder what would have happened had Nixon won in '60 and was President during the Cuban Missle Crises? It surely would have come, regardless of who was in the White House. But that was a close one. They say Kubrick started out to make a much more serious movie about the bomb, but found the reality so mad only "Dr. Strangelove, or How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the Bomb" could capture the moment for posterity.

[Thomas]

don't feel bad. I believe people will use drugs both for what they know and for what they don't know.

[Thomas]

don't you think that if they want to immunize against smallpox, they will? If we could do it largely in the first half of the 20th Century, why not now? I suppose population and world violence would be factors ... I'm starting to think like Dr Strangelove now. "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"

[Thomas]

having to deal with 27 virgins isn't exactly my idea of a night out on the town. Is that the best thing they can imagine happening to them? We really need to understand the middle eastern mind better. Poverty is easy to understand, but suicide is mucking up our basic rules of engagement. 5 Yard penalty!

[Shea]

Thomas,

your post to durty said...........my experience with hydro tolerance is that abstenence lowers your initial tolerance, but you increase that initial tolerance faster than you did the first time you started using. If one could clean up, then use hydro only when they truly needed it, who knows?

My question is...Do you think there is another opiate drug that the tolerance muight not build up to as quick? I am curious because of my pain. My Dr. has me on 2 Vicodens a day which is a laugh. i was wondering if another drug would allow my tolerance to build up slower.

DOES ANYONE HAS AN OPINION ON THIS????????

Shea

[Thomas]

It seems like the more effective the pain relief, the more addictive it is. Codeine, such as in Tylenol #3 and 4's, would provide comparable relief and has a substantially lower potential for long-term abuse. It still imparts a narcotic high, but not the pure rush of hydro or oxy. It's also more self-limiting because of the side effects of its alkaloids. Much harder to pop 5 or 7 or those and not make yourself sick. Your doctor might allow you more than 2 pills a day if it were Codiene. Worth a try.

[kstuebin]

LMAO.  You're so right. I wrote a letter, emailed it of course, to my Congresspeople and said that, given the way the Anthrax situation was handled, I had no doubt we were headed for a smallpox epidemic and, as an American citizen, I demanded that I be allowed to be vaccinated. I would be happy to sign an informed consent. Their excuse is that if they vaccinate the whole country, 300 people will die. Those odds look mighty fine to me. Better than the odds of what will happen if the EPA and the CDC are in charge of an outbreak. I haven't heard back yet.  Imagine that. If I lived near Mexico or Canada, I'd be crossing that border and visiting a doctor there.

[Thomas]

maybe the next symbol of conspicous success will be how many vaccinations you can afford to go to Switzerland to get.

[Thomas]

well said. I should add I heard an NPR story which seemed to indicate that, at least, all the nuclear cores are removed from the Pakistani bombs. That still won't help if the revolution is total, though. We need to know more about the Pashtuns (SP?). It seems to be ethnic again. Isn't is also a bit grotesque that we're fighting in a country that already resembles the surface of the moon? Anyone remember that Outer Limits episode (original series) with the two warriors from the future transported to a 60's USA? Before they were transported, they were stalking each other in a wasteland wearing what looked like virtual reality helmuts. Life eventually imitates TV? Scary thought ...

[kstuebin]

I'm not an narcotics expert but what about Ultram.  I'ts some kind of new designer drug. I got a script for that recently and looked it up on RXlist.  It's not an opiate but works like one and supposedly has fewer side effects like drowsiness. It is addictive. I wouldn't take it because I only do drugs I recognize like codeine, percocet, tylox, etc. so I don't know if it's any good or not. Plus, I have a paradoxical reaction to narcotics so I wouldn't be a good tester anyway.

[cindi]

Ultram has been around for awhile now..several people I know have been addicted to it,,,and the purpose at first of ultram was for those that have had problems with addiction in the first place..little by little people were having a hard time getting off of it and the withdrawals were comparative to that of opiates if not worse,,ultram does also increase your seizure threshold...soem people find it does give them a buzz...it does not work for my pain very well at all..it is also a cousin to the antiinflammatory drugs..It is not narcotic but it does bind to the opiate receptors of the brain....some states have talked about making it a controlled substance,.i think they forgot about it because of the oxycontin..it does work to stave off withdrawals from other opiates like hydro...love to all cin

[jule1]

She & Ksteubin - Please stay away from Ultram it is what brought me here in the first place.  I started taking it because I knew I loved opiates and I was told that Ultram was not addicting.  Well many withdrawls and one seizure later here I am.  Please be careful.  Most people say it doesn't even really help thier pain anyway.  Hope you all are doing well.  Your friend Jules

[Shea]

WW.


Wasn't sure where to post this as I do not remember what thread you listed it on. Anyhow, I thoroughly enjoyed your post. where you gave us the link to your site. I love the pics (always nice to have a pic to go with the name etc.) I thought everything was very interesting and intriguing. I do not know much about it but I know I will be researching it more as I now have my curiosity blooming. you just radiate warmth.

Thank you all for the input on the Ultram etc.

May you find peace

Shea

[Witchywoman]

Shea, thanks..that post of mine was in the thread that Beth started about how she got clean from hydro. I was VERY surprised that that entire thread was deleted, and saddened by it.
The honesty, humor, warmth and truth telling here is what got me clean. I don't understand the deletions.

Dr Steve, please, post guidelines for what it and what is not acceptable to post.

Ksteubin, your post on the women in menopause was hillarious! Goddess, what a laugh..my husband came running out to see why I laughing so hard. Coffee came out of my nose! LOL LOL LOL

lots of love,
WW

[jennyfla]

oooh, i'd love to see your site, i missed that in the vanished thread.
I would love to put a face with the beautiful person that you are!  :)
I posted to you last week, but can't find it now, but i posted to you that i had made my oldest daughter a witch outfit for halloween.  She is absoluately beautiful!!!!
I want to send you a pic!  :)
Lv Jenny

[cindi]

Somewhere here there are guidelines or the agreemnet to read when we enter the forum however,,,,,,lately it seems that whatever they deem to be their guidelines falls under that category,,,I don't know for sure if Dr. Steve, is really the guy that has the power to shut it down   I was under the impression that Cindy and Phil are the owners etc. of this board and the questions are only answered by Dr. Steve and their associates...in other words It may be quite possible that Cindy and Ohil pay these people to wokr for htem  I don't know  I may be way off base..but I may direct any questions directly to Cindy and Phil at medhelp.......love cin

[Witchywoman]

Jenny, my url is www.Moonmgaick.org (org, not com)

my email is ***@****

love,
WW

[katie r]

ww, do you still use the other email????? The one I've always written you at? Should I be using the one you listed in the above post?

[Witchywoman]

Katier,
Katie, I hardly ever use the aol email..I always forget to check it, so if I haven't answered you it is because I haven't seen what you wrote..sorry 'bout that.

The addy I listed above is the best one to reach me at, I check it everyday.

love,
WW

[jennyfla]

Thank you so much for the url, you are such an interesting and deep person! :)
I sent you an email with some pics of me so you can put a face to all my crazy talk! lol!
It's so funny, I knew exactly what you looked like before even seeing your pic, it just freaked me out!!!
Take care sweetie, and talk to you soon.
Lv Jenny

[Ultraman]

Hello everyone!

Let metell you all a little something about Ultram. It is happiness in a pill. I've done hydro, oxy morphine, etc. etc. and my greatest love has stayed with this awesome drug!
I'm looking for an Ultram fan club, but I don't think there is one...
    In reality I am hopelessly addicted. I can't go a day without poppin my pills! I got in a wreck 3 years back and got vicodine. At the time I was in so much pain it didn't do much...So I didn't take them. After the most intense pain subsided I took one...I didn't realize I got the good stuff! It was extra strength and it gave me a speed buzz like coke...but being that it was a prescription drug, it seemed "clean". So I took all of my refills. I didn't get hooked on it which may suprise some people, especially after 5 refills of 60 pills each....over a 2 month period. I then went to the doc to see if I could get either some more or something else. In all honesty I didn't want anything addictive... well I got Ultram and then began my life as a superhero...I have never had a drug that made me feel so good, so consistantly, SO LEGALLY! Its only drawback is its expensiveness.
     NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY ULTRAM IS SO DIVINE:
I have not had acold in three years. I don't know why, but my immune system has been incrediblystrong since I started Ultram. Before Ultram I was an alcoholic pothead with nothing to show for my years on Earth, and now, 3 years and 5475 Utrams later,I own and operate 2 successful bussinesses, kept a 3.0 grade point average as a double major in English and Computer Graphics, illustrated a history book, written jingle for a 5 star company, I currently host a talk radio show and still have energy left for having a good family life and social life. Ultram was my savior. I honestly don't think I would be alive today if not for Ultram....whew! that was a real soul cleansing!
Hey guys write me back, I'm new here, so let me know what your thoughts are!'
Peace,
Ultraman

[sunny1]

Hi
Read my other post.  I too went from a negative net worth to having a small fortune in no time after taking this stuff. I was so upbeat (for about 18-20 months). I was always ready to go and made some wise decisions.    It has some great properties (like being a mild SSRI) This stuff made me feel great  and my other addictions ceased............But, now I take 40 a day and risk death just to keep from BAD wd's.  I have 3 Grand Mal SEIZURES so far (Wow Those were fun...I really had my mind on my money then...****, I was horrified!). Wow 5475 pills you have had, that is only a few months supply for me.  Just wait until you find it no longer works well and you have to go to  toxic levels just to stay sane. I am now paying someone else $8000 a month to run (ruin) my business because I cannot focus or get out of the bed.
Well, if this BS does not change I will be broke in 10 months and probably DEAD!!!  You will rue the day this **** found you. It will be the WORST thing you could ever imagine.  I promise! I will give you  a money back guarantee.  This stuff made oxy's,coke and vic's look like a tea party. Good luck bro!!! Take my words to heart.  The sooner you get a handle the better.  This stuff is sneak attacking you and you do not realize it.  I will pray for you!