good morning/ stay positive

[hippy]

hey everyone, its wensday morning, and life is good.
we all have to be kind to each other.
this fourm is going through a strange time because of the hacker.
i myself can not wait untill it is in the past, and  i am
sure it will pass,
untill then we need to stay positive,   and talk about
recovery, and how this fourm has helps us all.
the thought of this fourm being shut down, is a sad thought.
so lets all be nice, and when you see a post that is out in
left feild, ignore it. if you see a post from me and it is crazy
you can rest easy that it is not me.
michael  peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SmokethisVette]

Dude, seriously...she has a problem...I truly do not think that is REALLY her...Thanks for your comment, I appreicate it!! As for her...well whatevr, cause I don't think that is her so whoever it is...get a freakin' life already...
Laters

[mrmichael67]

Don't let that guy get the best of you!  He already got you once.  Taking more pills will let him get you again.

[nena65]

Thanks....I have been tapering for 2 days and have felt fine so far.  I have only had 2 Vicodin today when normally I would have had at least 7 or 8.  I have been taking my vitamins, particularly the ones you recommended, faithfully, trying to stay away from caffeine and drinking more water.  I got stood up tonight by a man who always seems to do that to me and I wanted to go grab about 3 Vicodin, but I decided to get on the forum instead.  I was happy to see that you had responded.  Thanks...

[Thomas02]

The goal of using Valium is to get through the first 3 or 4 days. If Valerian will work for you, fine. I've never used it for that purpose, so I can't speak to it. I would suggest you check the ingrediants on the Valerian you buy to make sure it contains a high dose of valerianic acid, the active ingrediant in Valerian. You'll find that the valerianic acid content various widely. Shop around, so you know you've got something effective. If you can only sleep or rest fitfully, remember that the baths will give you a lot of relief from the body aches and general misery. Keep that Imodium in your pocket and use it the second you need it. Eliminating the runs will, in itself, help you get through this. I'll be around this week if you want to write (I know you may not feel like it). Good luck.

Thomas

[hippy]

get a life, and that better not be u g

[hyjack]

I agree with you wholeheartedly Christine, that groovy has been acting weird.

I honestly think there is a split personality disorder going on here.

She attacks every person who responds to her, so maybe we should just ignore her.

She makes new people scared to post.

[nena65]

Yes, I have the entire routine and when to use what.  I will have to take Valerian Root instead of Valium, Xanax, etc.  I'm afraid if I go looking for pills not prescribed to me, I will want the painkillers.  If you happened to have read one of my earlier postings, I was in the emergency room several weeks ago for almost 12 hours with an IV in my arm because they said I was dehydrated.  After blood tests, urine tests, a CAT scan and a spinal tap, they could find nothing wrong with me.  They prescribed me Vicodin and sent me home.  I felt better after a couple more days and thought I had had a virus.  Several days later I happened on a documentary on TV and these people were talking about withdrawals and the symptoms.  I literally froze...from that day on I kept taking the pills, but it wasn't fun anymore, because I knew I was hooked.

I have a question about the recipe.  You say "Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium.....high enough to produce sleep."  Do you mean that if I decide to start detoxing Moday morning, I should start taking enough Valerian to put me to sleep throughout most of the day?  I can do that, I was just wondering if you meant to try to sleep it off or just take that at night.  If my withdrawals are anything like before, it was miserable, so I went today and bought L-Tyrosine and took one to get my body adjusted.  I already take a multivitamin and an extra B, so I should be okay there.

I was diagnosed as bipolar years ago and take pretty high doses of Prozac and Depakote, so I'm hoping that will help with the desperation and depression......Thanks so much for your help.....Look forward to hearing from you again.....

[SmokethisVette]

Hey Chicks...
Wazzz up? As far as Groovy/Butterfly/ummm whoever you are...I just don't understand the "cold" attitude coming from her...maybe it isn't even her...she never ever spoke in the manner in which she is now?? Get it? All I know is that I am neutral...except for when someone is saying things they shouldn't to someone I respect!! So Groovieeeee...all I have to say is I know I am younger than you and I am not going to sink to your level..I just have one word 4 u....WHATEVER!!!
Hipster...Hey hey...How's it going with you?  I am indeed in school and I thank you for rememberin'!! I absolutely agree with you that we are all in this together and KINDNESS is the only way to go!! I just don't understand what the heck she is all about all of a sudden!! Total mood change...but whatever...that's all I have to say on that subject!! So what's new with you....As for me....just chillin', waiting to go for my second surgery ever in my life...should be fun...LOL...
Laters
Christine

[Thomas02]

do you have the instructions for how and when to use various parts of the recipe? It makes a big difference. I don't want to keep posting the recipe, so if you need a copy, you can reach me at my pseudoname patrickflannery at hotmail dot com.

Thomas

[mrrstracy]

Good morning Sunshine! I know you're going to beat this because you seem like you've made your mind up to do it. You know I'm still feeling what it's like to be normal and I'm just getting to know my true self. I's like seeing things in a whole different light when you're not buzzed. I didn't feel "normal" for a couple weeks and I still don't think I know what normal is yet! (lol) But the one thing I learned through all of this is that we are stronger than we think when we really want something bad enough. Just think if we put as much energy in getting clean as we did getting our drugs! I still have my days where I feel like I could do so much if I only had a few pills, but then I have to look at why I'm thinking that way. Now I feel those felings that I didn't want to feel before. So often people medicate themselves because they don't want to feel anything because some things can be very painful to think about. And not to mention the guilt we feel from some of the things we've done can eat you alive if you let it. We need to learn first of all to forgive ourselves! We can be our own worst enemy. I just want to encourage you to know you are a precious person who has alot to offer others! You encourage me also to keep on keeping on. Thank you!

Tracy

[nena65]

Your posts above really helped me realize I have to get off these pills.  I just started posting yesterday (or day before?) and have already received so much support and I love hearing about people who have been off the pills for a few weeks and actually feel "good" because as you guys know, right now, I only feel capable of feeling good when I'm using.  I have started planning my withdrawal period.  I'm gonna get my house completely clean, have plenty of food in the house that my son can microwave and plenty of medicine by my bed.  I am going to go today and buy the ingredients for Thomas' recipe.  I have a 10 hour conference to attend tomorrow and a football game to go to on Sunday, so I think Monday is the day.  Thanks for your posts, they give me hope......

[hippy]

hey there , i would hope that your gratatude
for this fourm would show to all it's members.
we need to all be kind and considerate to everyone,
it does no good to post anything hurtfull.
we are all in tis together.
kindness is the answer
oe thing that hurts other  addicts is critisism.
we need to encourage each other,
i hope you are well, have not seen you posting in a while
i think i rember  you were going to school/
peace

[mrrstracy]

Thank you also, I can always use the prayers. I am only 20 days clean from hydro,percs, whatever the ER gave me. This is my 3rd  relapse since I was on methadone 3 years ago. I had been on it for 2 years and had to be hospitalized for the withdraws. Needless to say, this is a daily battle. Every day that I wake up, I have to make a decision on what I'm going to do with my life. Sometimes I have to take it minute by minute. I know this is not easy and it really is a battle. I have herniated discs at L4-L5 and do have alot of pain, but I've been doing physical therapy and it sems to help a little. The times I have severe pain, I do have to take Ultram, although I don't like the way it makes me feel. Didn't you say you went to methadone clinic also, I can't remember? Anyway, it's good to see your writing and it seems as though you're opening up alot more. I try to take things pretty serious and need to learn to lighten up a little.
A few things that have helped is faith in God to know that no matter what I am going through, He is right there with me and will always give me strength when I ask. I also play the keyboard at church. I LOVE THAT! I've played the keyboards since I was 6. My dad is a preacher so it was necessary that his daughter know how to play the piano. For a while I lost all interest in things I loved to do such as drawing, piano, writing, I felt as though unless I had a buzz, I couldn't get into anything. I already mentioned in previous posts some of the crazy things I did for pills. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we see and talk to others here that are making it so we know it can be done. I always thought there was something I wasn't doing right or I was just weak. I even got mad at God when I prayed for Him to take away the craving for drugs and it seemed like He wasn't listening. I realized now, that would never happen. I know now that the only person who gets clean and stays clean is the one who really wants it and is committed to doing what has to be done in order to stay that way. I have seen drugs totally destroy lives, even my own. I lost my husband and 5 & 6 years old children after he left me and took the kids because I was too stoned to be a mom. I also have a 21 year old step son who is facing attempted murder charge for stabbing someone in a drug deal gone bad. So you see it is now up to us to decide if we want this bad enough. We must control our drug use and not let it control us. I get so encouraged every time I see new posts here and appreciate you all. And I love the name! It reminds me of PigPen from Charlie Brown.

Tracy

[mrmichael67]

Also, I start to get take homes after three clean urines (three months).  They don't kick you off for dirty ones, you just don't get your take homes.  Or, if you already had them, they start to take them away.  So far, I have been clean as a whistle.  I have no need to take anything else.  It wouldn't even work anyway.  I know that they can arrange vacation take homes or arrange for you to dose at a clinic by where you are going.  Of course, you would have to have been there for a while for you to do that.

[mrmichael67]

I live in New Jersey.  I called on a Friday morning and was in and dosed that afternoon.  It depends on the clinic whether there is a waiting list or not.  It takes me about 45 minutes to get there.

[a549056]

well--day 2 complete. good lord, hurtin bad. stayin with it tho. stayin positive. God is with us---

[groovygirl]

It isn't about you...get it...not about you.

[SmokethisVette]

Yo Yo Yo....
What has happened to you guys..we were ALL kool at one point in time....Groovy...what the heck happened? I don't want to bust into your drama...but I haven't been here in a few weeks and all of a sudden there is all this **** going on??? What in God's name is going down...This stuff is so silly because we ALL know that we ALL need each other because of some stupid pills that rule ALL of us!!  I know I have been in this alone and if it wasn't for GWH I would not be where I am today...he is and will always be my inspiration...and you know what I don't care what ANYONE has to say about it....so don't bother with a come-back on that one!! I sure hope everyone chills out and lays low until the smoke clears...for real Groovy...it is not like you to be so cold...something major must have happened..I don't want to know what...I just am so amazed and appalled by all of this...and I wouldn't be saying any of this except that I feel the need to stick up for GWH and I could care less what you have to say about him...don't take that in a nasty way..I feel how I feel and that's that!!
Laters

[Chuck99]

Hey everyone . Its been a while since Ive posted , but I figured Id just say a positive thing or two :)Since going through alcohol withdrawl just a little over 2 months ago , I havent touched it or smoked pot , I have been completely clean and I'm loving it . The first month and a half or so was pretty bad with anixiety/slight depression , but it is improving . It does take time , but things get better. For me , it hasnt been a proplem resisting alcohol , but I can definitely see how easy it would be to slip back into old habbits . On a few occasions I thought about sometime in the near future having maybe just a beer  , but then I realized that it would be a VERY BAD idea. Stay completely clean , and you can do it. Of course , the withdrawl for that one week REALLY sucked , but the real battle, in my opinion, is the mental one that comes afterwards. You can do it . I did it :) Stay strong and stay clean everyone

[groovygirl]

What state do you live in?  I am trying to put something together to make comparisons between MA and other states.  MA is very conservative...a friend in CA called a Methadone clinic and had an appointment for the same afternoon.  I personally don't really want to try Methadone.  The big reason is I travel pretty frequently, and I wouldn't be able to maintain any consistency.  Around here, you have to prove yourself for a long time before you get take-homes.  What do you do if you have to go away for a few days or longer?  Is the clinic close to you?

[mrmichael67]

There have been many studies done on buprenorphine vs methadone.  I have read the results of many, but I unfortunately haven't saved them.  I could find some again, and I will post the links to them.  Basically, they tested buprenorphine, methadone, and placebo.  In all cases that I saw, methadone had the highest retaining rate of all three.  More people on methadone finished the study.  I have never had buprenorphine, so I obviously can't write from experience.  But, the studies I read were legitimate.  From what I saw, buprenorphine works well with people that were on lower doses of an opioid.  If someone is prescribed a half gram of morphine a day, then methadone is the superior choice.  I am currently on methadone maintanence and it is working extremely well for me.  The only problem I am having is with the once a day dosing.  I am in pain almost every night....sometimes miserable pain.  When I get takehomes, I can split dose...one in the morning and one at night.  The pain control during the day has been exceptional.  I take 100mg in the morning.  If I could take another 100mg at night, I would be really happy.  Actually, a good 80-80 split would work best....two diskettes each time.  The 100mg does hold me as far as withdrawal goes.  When I go in the morning for my dose, I feel completely normal besides the pain.  It takes about an hour to kick in.  My wait to dose is usually five minutes.

[OxyDout]

no, you sure didn't ask me......... but here is a page you may want to look at.

http://www.dhhs.tas.gov.au/alcoholanddrugs/subutex/subutex.html

[groovygirl]

Yes, a few people have done me really wrong - you got that right.

[groovygirl]

Did anyone ask you what you thought?