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heavy vicodin addict : What DRUGS help u quit?
Am new, been reading posts. Are folks shy, or am I taking more vicodin than anyone? When I have them, I'm taking 8 10mghydros/325apap at wakeup with a coffee, maybe 6 three hours later, 8 6 hrs later. At kickback time, maybe 10 or 12 if I have a lot and more coming, so that's around 30 a day, with a couple 10mg valiums in the evening. And my scrips cost from $1medicare for up to 300 tabs to $300 for 90 from online service thieves...
I don't even like hydrocodone (vicodin). When I first started, it was for severe dental pain, two of them made me barf, dizzy and headache. So you see what a huge tolerance. I used to get a nice high from codeine.
I was clean and sober, even tobacco free for 18 years after being a junkie for a couple years (alcoholic after jail) and going to the joint for it. So this really snuck up on me. All these pills, i dont even get a buzz!
Now, I have weaned to adjust those numbers down to about 15 a day, but..... bound to have wretched withdrawal. Oddly, when I'm sick and depressed in general, 24 hrs without a single vike doesnt phase me? But just thinking about a day without them freaks me.
By the way, people didnt understand how one could get so many, it was first prescribed, then asked my gp for some as the dental was still hurting, then another minor injury, needed more than i could ask for, went online in the old days was easy, get a few sent from different online services, and get direct scripts filled at different pharmacies, some from the gp, etc. None of the online services would tell on you because they were mostly cutting corners themselves. Now with the face to face ryan h law, it's actually easier! One visit a year or two, easy refills. I travelled a couple hundred miles to diff docs and set myself up. Also came clean with my gp 6 mos ago and he's been weaning me but you can see my mind is cheating.
I know a lot about addiction, mentally, physically, having got clean for 18 yrs as a health nut, started with AA after Jail cleaned me up, lol. Actually, jail saved my life, two years. So, bottom line, I know what I need to do mentally and support wise, but, since I haven't been on the street or around other users for many years, I need some info about the best pharmaceutical regimen for kicking hydro opiates.
I would very much APPRECIATE your evaluation of current meds to help me kick the opiates. With the right program, and a couple of friends, I will go camp way out in the toolies, use the meds and get clean so I can go to NA, deal with remaining symptoms, and before I quit will burn all my supply bridges (they always take at least a week or two to set up, so if I'm not jonesing too bad I won't try to score from the online guys.
The best thing is my gp will gladly prescribe any med to help me kick, and I can afford them.
By the way guys, my county, and many, offer a lot of detox/inpatient/outpatient programs, of varying quality, just fyi for some folks who couldn't afford professional help.
Sorry for the long post, but maybe it'll help someone know how bad it can get, even to someone who doesnt enjoy the meds. Seriously, jail time saved my ***. But it was a full year before the dreams and desire stopped.
Please tell me the *drugs* that failed you, helped you, were worse than being strung out ;-) cause I'm a geezer now and out of touchl (way back, chloral hydrate and valium helped me a lot kick a mild smack habit).
Thanks, Lee
I don't even like hydrocodone (vicodin). When I first started, it was for severe dental pain, two of them made me barf, dizzy and headache. So you see what a huge tolerance. I used to get a nice high from codeine.
I was clean and sober, even tobacco free for 18 years after being a junkie for a couple years (alcoholic after jail) and going to the joint for it. So this really snuck up on me. All these pills, i dont even get a buzz!
Now, I have weaned to adjust those numbers down to about 15 a day, but..... bound to have wretched withdrawal. Oddly, when I'm sick and depressed in general, 24 hrs without a single vike doesnt phase me? But just thinking about a day without them freaks me.
By the way, people didnt understand how one could get so many, it was first prescribed, then asked my gp for some as the dental was still hurting, then another minor injury, needed more than i could ask for, went online in the old days was easy, get a few sent from different online services, and get direct scripts filled at different pharmacies, some from the gp, etc. None of the online services would tell on you because they were mostly cutting corners themselves. Now with the face to face ryan h law, it's actually easier! One visit a year or two, easy refills. I travelled a couple hundred miles to diff docs and set myself up. Also came clean with my gp 6 mos ago and he's been weaning me but you can see my mind is cheating.
I know a lot about addiction, mentally, physically, having got clean for 18 yrs as a health nut, started with AA after Jail cleaned me up, lol. Actually, jail saved my life, two years. So, bottom line, I know what I need to do mentally and support wise, but, since I haven't been on the street or around other users for many years, I need some info about the best pharmaceutical regimen for kicking hydro opiates.
I would very much APPRECIATE your evaluation of current meds to help me kick the opiates. With the right program, and a couple of friends, I will go camp way out in the toolies, use the meds and get clean so I can go to NA, deal with remaining symptoms, and before I quit will burn all my supply bridges (they always take at least a week or two to set up, so if I'm not jonesing too bad I won't try to score from the online guys.
The best thing is my gp will gladly prescribe any med to help me kick, and I can afford them.
By the way guys, my county, and many, offer a lot of detox/inpatient/outpatient programs, of varying quality, just fyi for some folks who couldn't afford professional help.
Sorry for the long post, but maybe it'll help someone know how bad it can get, even to someone who doesnt enjoy the meds. Seriously, jail time saved my ***. But it was a full year before the dreams and desire stopped.
Please tell me the *drugs* that failed you, helped you, were worse than being strung out ;-) cause I'm a geezer now and out of touchl (way back, chloral hydrate and valium helped me a lot kick a mild smack habit).
Thanks, Lee
I have been addicted to a substantial amount of vicodin for the past 6 years and with many failed attempts to quit, I am trying yet again. I found that methadone is the best way for me to get through the withdraws however methadone is very addictive as well so you have to be careful as to not get addicted to it. I usually do it for 3 weeks start out taking 20mgs a day which is a very low dose and the next week taking 10mgs a day then the next taking 10mgs every other day and if needed for another week or two taking 5mg every other day and by then the withdrawl symptoms should be gone..the only thing that still bothered me after 3 weeks to a month is my legs ache. My real big problem is staying away from them, I am a huge expert on how to get off of them just to end up talking myself into taking just a few and I will be fine and the next thing I know I am back to where I cannot live without them. I have never had any drug take such control over my life and just hope that this final attempt to quit will work because I am tired of being just an addict and ready to move on with a better life that is completely drug free.
Sorry for the additional post, but I know this info is hard to find (even on the sub forum).....so wanted to leave it for you....2mg sub = roughly 70mg hydro.......i prefer suboxone over subutex, due to it having the extra compound in it, to force you to stay hydro free....when you are on suboxone, hydro will not affect you at all, so it's a total waste....
the normal starting dosage is 16mg.....32mg being the highest (ceiling effect) .....then cut down which ever way you like......everybody has their own prefered ways.....in terms of dosage, cutting down dosages, and the time frame for both......
This is what I did (this was coming from 25-30 hydro/6 soma/8valium10's daily)(for years) this the next morning after my last hydro/valium cocktail taken at 7pm the night before........
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suboxone:
day 1 = 8mg
day 2 = 12mg
day 3 = 12mg
day 4 = 8mg
day 5 = 8mg
day 6 = 6mg
then every 3-4 days, I would go down 1 mg........
until you are eventually at .5 sub a day....which is nothing.....just like a little nub!
stayed there, and then started skipping a day between.....so, 1 day on .5, one day nothing, next day .5...so on.....
which isn't that bad due to the half-life of sub.....stays in your systems 36 hours......then, when I was mentally ready, stopped all together......and again,
only the normal mental cravings occassionally, and the RLS......but other than that....wow, it was amazing......
hope any/all this helps......
-NL40
the normal starting dosage is 16mg.....32mg being the highest (ceiling effect) .....then cut down which ever way you like......everybody has their own prefered ways.....in terms of dosage, cutting down dosages, and the time frame for both......
This is what I did (this was coming from 25-30 hydro/6 soma/8valium10's daily)(for years) this the next morning after my last hydro/valium cocktail taken at 7pm the night before........
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suboxone:
day 1 = 8mg
day 2 = 12mg
day 3 = 12mg
day 4 = 8mg
day 5 = 8mg
day 6 = 6mg
then every 3-4 days, I would go down 1 mg........
until you are eventually at .5 sub a day....which is nothing.....just like a little nub!
stayed there, and then started skipping a day between.....so, 1 day on .5, one day nothing, next day .5...so on.....
which isn't that bad due to the half-life of sub.....stays in your systems 36 hours......then, when I was mentally ready, stopped all together......and again,
only the normal mental cravings occassionally, and the RLS......but other than that....wow, it was amazing......
hope any/all this helps......
-NL40
In short, I have been on the same numbers.....of hydro/valium/soma daily for years.....back and forth with getting clean. All together, I have probably been on the 'hydro' rollacoaster for around 25 years.........
Trust me, the ONLY way I was ever able to quit decently, with no thoughts of going back....was SUBOXONE....it is actually a miracle drug in my opinion. Now, there are quite a lot of people out there who say 'this-and-that'....you are just switching drugs, etc.....the suboxone is harder to get off then hydro....trust me, i have heard them all.......
But you are also listening to someone thats done it all the different ways. Now, biologically(m.d.)....we are all different and we will all be affected in different ways. But look at it logically, just to save your liver...which is being extremely taxed....1-2 tabs of sub, compared to 30+ vics a day....which is probably like well over 8 grams of acetometaphin for quite some time.
I know you mentioned that there are no doctors around you that have the sub license.....but you have driven hundreds of miles for online consult set-ups....i suggest driving and getting suboxone. Don't go to one of those doctors that give you a weeks worth, and make you come back. Doctors act very different about this drug....some make you have the induction period in their office, so they adjust your dosage level, etc......
But there are also a lot of doctors that just want the money ( just like the hydro ones).....and will just write you a script of #90....you won't even need that many (because I am not a follower of the long term sub program....there are two trains of thought for sub....quick (semi-quick detox), and long term (for life) program......I am definitely in the belief that the semi-quick is the best..by the way,....2 weeks is considered quick.....1 to 3 or 4 months is the semi quick.....and then the long term is in years.....which I do not believe in.....
If I were in your situation, I would keep calling different sub docs until I found one that would let me come monthly...get that first script, and you can detox all by yourself, in a trailor in the middle of no where....it won't matter.....and you have your other gp locally if you need anything for the RLS, which is usually the worst.
You can research...go to the suboxone forum page, and you can figure out your own starting dose, and how to taper down....that is what I have done.....and it is an actual miracle drug....sorry to repeat myself.....
hope this helps, and please feel free to ask me anything you'd like........good luck to everybody!!
-NL40
Trust me, the ONLY way I was ever able to quit decently, with no thoughts of going back....was SUBOXONE....it is actually a miracle drug in my opinion. Now, there are quite a lot of people out there who say 'this-and-that'....you are just switching drugs, etc.....the suboxone is harder to get off then hydro....trust me, i have heard them all.......
But you are also listening to someone thats done it all the different ways. Now, biologically(m.d.)....we are all different and we will all be affected in different ways. But look at it logically, just to save your liver...which is being extremely taxed....1-2 tabs of sub, compared to 30+ vics a day....which is probably like well over 8 grams of acetometaphin for quite some time.
I know you mentioned that there are no doctors around you that have the sub license.....but you have driven hundreds of miles for online consult set-ups....i suggest driving and getting suboxone. Don't go to one of those doctors that give you a weeks worth, and make you come back. Doctors act very different about this drug....some make you have the induction period in their office, so they adjust your dosage level, etc......
But there are also a lot of doctors that just want the money ( just like the hydro ones).....and will just write you a script of #90....you won't even need that many (because I am not a follower of the long term sub program....there are two trains of thought for sub....quick (semi-quick detox), and long term (for life) program......I am definitely in the belief that the semi-quick is the best..by the way,....2 weeks is considered quick.....1 to 3 or 4 months is the semi quick.....and then the long term is in years.....which I do not believe in.....
If I were in your situation, I would keep calling different sub docs until I found one that would let me come monthly...get that first script, and you can detox all by yourself, in a trailor in the middle of no where....it won't matter.....and you have your other gp locally if you need anything for the RLS, which is usually the worst.
You can research...go to the suboxone forum page, and you can figure out your own starting dose, and how to taper down....that is what I have done.....and it is an actual miracle drug....sorry to repeat myself.....
hope this helps, and please feel free to ask me anything you'd like........good luck to everybody!!
-NL40
Right, I see what you saw in my posts. Perhaps my distance from, and inability to pay for a detox center, clairifies why I am asking you all rather than a doc; and I really don't believe that docs, especially on this narrow topic are often as well=informed as the users who have had to detox. As well, my medical background has been of some value in the past, so I guess the main factor I failed to mention was the poverty and distance to any institution ,that like all do it yourself profjects, extra care and preparation are required, especiallly lacking a support person or group. bck later, friends, I am trying to send what strength I possess out to all who suffer and struggle. Luv, platrat
Actually, there is no doc around here who can help with the suboxone etc, I'm completely disabled and grocieries are tight also. It's a hundred miles each way to the VA, and they expected me to come in weekly, no cash. I have a doc, he knows all, he has tapered me on his scrips, and I have done fairly well myself, to about half what I had.
But I do know that when I am sick, I will take medication if it's there. My doc can't even write for suboxone, I live in a trailer alone often out of reach, and so I am trying to set up a plan in advance that will work. I have been through it. I see some people prefer to go cold turkey, apparently, and I wish them well, but know my strengths and weaknesses.
As to the grunt or jarhead the eagle this SWABBIE, yeah, that's right bro, was a corpsman in 68 in the jungle keeping you cannnon fodder alive, lol. I'll catch you later with a pm, gotta run right now. Thanks to all though, and of course there are very different opinions, I have half formulated my plan with the aid of you all, and am very pleased to be the subject of care and interest. I also thrive on PMs, I am very isolated in my life these days]both physically and emotionally
the platrat,
But I do know that when I am sick, I will take medication if it's there. My doc can't even write for suboxone, I live in a trailer alone often out of reach, and so I am trying to set up a plan in advance that will work. I have been through it. I see some people prefer to go cold turkey, apparently, and I wish them well, but know my strengths and weaknesses.
As to the grunt or jarhead the eagle this SWABBIE, yeah, that's right bro, was a corpsman in 68 in the jungle keeping you cannnon fodder alive, lol. I'll catch you later with a pm, gotta run right now. Thanks to all though, and of course there are very different opinions, I have half formulated my plan with the aid of you all, and am very pleased to be the subject of care and interest. I also thrive on PMs, I am very isolated in my life these days]both physically and emotionally
the platrat,
"Vicodin isn't that hard to kick compared to street dope or heavy oxy. Why do we always look for a drug solution to our drug addiction? "
Wrong, bottom line. He is taking a very high dose of Hydrocodone. And yes, the withdrawals from this are going to be hell, no doubt about it. And besides, no matter the drug, we are still tlaking about addiction, doesn;t really matter what the substance is.
I do agree though, why always look for a pill to get off another pill? The fact he is asking us and not a doctor is a red flag for me. You were clean 18 years, so you know your best option is to seek professional help, and a rehab center. You know this is not just going to go away.
Good luck to you, and I hope whatever you decide to do helps you.
Wrong, bottom line. He is taking a very high dose of Hydrocodone. And yes, the withdrawals from this are going to be hell, no doubt about it. And besides, no matter the drug, we are still tlaking about addiction, doesn;t really matter what the substance is.
I do agree though, why always look for a pill to get off another pill? The fact he is asking us and not a doctor is a red flag for me. You were clean 18 years, so you know your best option is to seek professional help, and a rehab center. You know this is not just going to go away.
Good luck to you, and I hope whatever you decide to do helps you.
Offer stands to PM anytime....your VA comment caught my eye - - - Viet era vet here......lots of China White around. No problem then but i knew I liked it. Then a round of chemo in '97 and the horse was out of the barn. Clean today and loving it! Even have several others that had some sort of military service - guy - screen handle CYMER - had Ranger Tab or something until a total malfunction of a T-10 ruined his jump!! And Squid (seal) screen handle Stricklyfor pain.........just a wuss i guess, like many of those swabbies!! I do know him well enough to razz him this way, BTW........ But you are far from alone.......and everyone comes home. Even a slew of Nurses here that are the best that you could find!! Welcome home, brother................eagle (call sign)
Thank you all so much. I quit a mild habit at 20 with valium chloral hydrate and a road trip with a good caregiver. I quit a heroin habit later cold turkey in jail. I got real healthy, but a real bad attitude from the people, became a gangster, BUT after 1year I started changing, got in touch with myself spiritually, and left 2 years in the joint healthy and happy. I did drink tho, and being addictive was a moderate alcoholic for a few years, but quit took up running, a huge help, quit smoking, and hanging out with users. I went 18 yrs totally clean, happy with myself.
I have access to docs, but have also been using online deals a long time. I am looking this week for a detox specialist and am leaning toward suboxone as I've read 100% good reviews by users. I also plan to incorporate some other suggestions y'all have given me. It will be a month before Iam clean due to a trip I must take, but I know I CAN and WILL break this habit. I am really looking forward to getting back to the good life, surfing, guitar, running, saving all that money! You guys are great and I really appreciate it,, and my mind is open still, and I just thrive on the encouragement!
Thanks, Rob the platrat
I have access to docs, but have also been using online deals a long time. I am looking this week for a detox specialist and am leaning toward suboxone as I've read 100% good reviews by users. I also plan to incorporate some other suggestions y'all have given me. It will be a month before Iam clean due to a trip I must take, but I know I CAN and WILL break this habit. I am really looking forward to getting back to the good life, surfing, guitar, running, saving all that money! You guys are great and I really appreciate it,, and my mind is open still, and I just thrive on the encouragement!
Thanks, Rob the platrat
My body seems to be indestructible too , same reasons as yours. I haven't bothered getting anything tested, that's just too scary for mr to think about. Stress is a big trigger for me. And even though I have a tiny bit of clean time, I've been slammed with stressors all week!! Don't want to backslide again...so I just pray, pray, pray, read my recovery bible, and chase the bad thoughts out of my mind.
Platrat - you will be OK... just getting through the first week will be hard. After that, it should get easier. I am planning to do the same thing... i am on my last 36 vics.....weaning starting today... going to see the doctor on Friday for liver and kidney results. I hope they come back fine. Either way, i am asking for her help to stop these damn things.....
So understand that you are not alone and it can be done......
So understand that you are not alone and it can be done......
When i quit c/t...
I used clonodine (persribed)
zanaflex
Immodium
klonopin
Lots of fluids..
Started with short walks, then more later..
HOT BATHS!
RLS was my worst symptom, and I used a heating pad...I tried everything they made, even soap under covers, the only thing that helped my calves were hot baths, heating pads, ace bandages, and tens unit.
good luck, get back to those meetings, and remember how you felt for 18 yrs...
r2r
I used clonodine (persribed)
zanaflex
Immodium
klonopin
Lots of fluids..
Started with short walks, then more later..
HOT BATHS!
RLS was my worst symptom, and I used a heating pad...I tried everything they made, even soap under covers, the only thing that helped my calves were hot baths, heating pads, ace bandages, and tens unit.
good luck, get back to those meetings, and remember how you felt for 18 yrs...
r2r
Thanks all! I will take it to the right place. I was blessed with a virtually indestructible body, which is why I'm alive after all the junk I jammed in veins, drank, swallowed. Amazingly my liver is only slightly impaired so far. I figured, while clean, that someday I'd have to pay some major dues.
I wanted to hear from you folks because people who have been there tend to help more than professionals who only have book learning. For instance, the VA thought I'd be better off on a lot of time release morphine... (true for liver, but).
I do have chronic pain, someone misinterpreted me. Of course taking a huge number of narcotics isn't the answer. It's the catch-22, the pain is real, but I'm so habituated/addicted to the meds they don't really fix it. I have actually been prescribed a wide variety of meds for the pain over the last 3 years, but the combination of hydrocodone/tylenol has worked best. Unfortunately I develop a tolerance easily, obviously an addictive personality. As I said, I understand where I need to go spiritually, intellectually, emotionally, as I stayed clean and sober for 18 years, I know what kind of help to get; just talking to you folks is perhaps my first step on the journey, and I'm encouraged that you are willing to share with me.
As I said, I'm particularly interested in current meds which will alleviate withdrawal symptoms, which will help me work thru it emotionally and function enough to go to groups. Thanks for the info so far! It has been so long since I got clean, none of the meds mentioned above existed. I also welcome your other ideas about my situation and hope that this has helped clarify it.
Please continue to give me suggestions for meds, practices whatever. Your responses have already helped with my anxiety towards detoxing. I'd like to create a pllan, have meds available, support in place, before detox Thanks you all for caring to give time to a total stranger, it's a wonderful thing how so many substance abusers thrive on helping others in many ways when they are clean.
THANKS.A BUNCH
I wanted to hear from you folks because people who have been there tend to help more than professionals who only have book learning. For instance, the VA thought I'd be better off on a lot of time release morphine... (true for liver, but).
I do have chronic pain, someone misinterpreted me. Of course taking a huge number of narcotics isn't the answer. It's the catch-22, the pain is real, but I'm so habituated/addicted to the meds they don't really fix it. I have actually been prescribed a wide variety of meds for the pain over the last 3 years, but the combination of hydrocodone/tylenol has worked best. Unfortunately I develop a tolerance easily, obviously an addictive personality. As I said, I understand where I need to go spiritually, intellectually, emotionally, as I stayed clean and sober for 18 years, I know what kind of help to get; just talking to you folks is perhaps my first step on the journey, and I'm encouraged that you are willing to share with me.
As I said, I'm particularly interested in current meds which will alleviate withdrawal symptoms, which will help me work thru it emotionally and function enough to go to groups. Thanks for the info so far! It has been so long since I got clean, none of the meds mentioned above existed. I also welcome your other ideas about my situation and hope that this has helped clarify it.
Please continue to give me suggestions for meds, practices whatever. Your responses have already helped with my anxiety towards detoxing. I'd like to create a pllan, have meds available, support in place, before detox Thanks you all for caring to give time to a total stranger, it's a wonderful thing how so many substance abusers thrive on helping others in many ways when they are clean.
THANKS.A BUNCH
no people arent shy its just not something that most people arent to proud of saying how much we are taking and 30 yea thats a pretty good number but by no means un heard of. i have been taking norcos vicodin lortab percs lorcet oxycodone oxys roxies and pretty much whatever i get my hands on but manily norcos 10/325 for over 7 yrs and at my peak i was taking over 60 a day for a long time and now i have weaned myself down to about 32 a day 8 at a time 4 times a day so i cut my use in half which is still alot but 60ish was mt regualr dosage so no ur 30 is def not un heard of. good luck
I would throw in Hylands restless leg for the rls.. I found I had benefited from it.. It can be purchased at a drug store.. I also ct from the amount you are. also a H addict recovered.. its a long haul but doable.. I did not sleep for 8 days but in spurts of 10 15 minutes a day.. getting something for sleep would also be a great benefit.. Welcome to the forum and I wish you well.. lesa
Welcome to the forum. I was taking 30 lorcets a day 10/650. I am now on Suboxone and it is working really well for me along with my therapy. Something you may want to look into to. Good Luck
Alli
Alli
Yep, everyone is different, that's for sure. I absolutely could not taper, and trading drugs didn't work either. A big fat OD, and being knocked out from hitting my head woke me up... I'm lucky to be here at all. The wd symptoms are worth it. I'm still a little bit goony, but I feel better each day.
situations r all different...some work and need help with wds etc..clonodine seems to be the big "help" drug as of late..helps sleep,,anxiety and the tummy issues...as does phenergan..if u read thru the health pages u will c the thomas recipe which is a good plan and i used it...getting sumpin for sleep is important cos sleep is important to recovery..without sleep many become weak and relapse..ur dose is do-able....a bit of help and some aftercare...u will have it licked....u sound older and wise..i didnt check ur age....but u know better and u know where u r right now is not a good place to be...make aplan...stick to ur goals..u could taper but if u r a true addict..tapering sux cos u cant control it...can hand them over to someone u trust..or u can ct and get some help from ur dr with sleep etc...or u could go to a maintenence drug..which would be my last choice if i were u..but we r all different and u gotta do what u gotta do...keep us updated
Vicodin isn't that hard to kick compared to street dope or heavy oxy. Why do we always look for a drug solution to our drug addiction?
You need to stop taking that much stuff really. your liver in my opionion should of failed already. you're way past the lethal dose as someone else said.... you should consider going to a psychiatrist to get on a suboxone treatment plan. i say suboxone and not subutex or methadone because its very hard to get high on suboxone, and its even harder to overdose. and suboxone has a ingredient that makes you not get high from opiates.... but anyway, i did suboxone after like 6 months of hardcore heroin use (which is way worse then the pills your taking i believe) and i did the suboxone for 2 weeks.... wiended myself from 16mg/day to 8mg every 3 days... then just cold turkey'd it. now i feel like tired and thats about it.. mostly because i have not been able to sleep the past 2 nights. im on day 9 with no suboxone.... good luck man.
Yes plz do this I am so worried about your liver if you haven't plz have it checked ok.
colondine its a BP med would help but you have to keep you eye on your bp.I recommend zanaflex its a muscle relaxer it was a life save for me it helped so much with the aches and over all health just make sure with doctor they are ok to take together .Something for nausea and the runs.
Then yes NA or therapy will help a lot like you know the mental part is the hardest .
keep us informed on how you are.
colondine its a BP med would help but you have to keep you eye on your bp.I recommend zanaflex its a muscle relaxer it was a life save for me it helped so much with the aches and over all health just make sure with doctor they are ok to take together .Something for nausea and the runs.
Then yes NA or therapy will help a lot like you know the mental part is the hardest .
keep us informed on how you are.
Dude - I was doing as many as you.......statrted doing heroin during Vietnam but didnt get a narcotic problem until a years chemotherapy in 1997.......if i can doi it with my use and history you can do it also........PM me anytime you want to chat.......keep posting for advice and questions and just to vent!!
Hi Lee,
I am very glad to see your interested in quiting. The amount of Tylenol your ingesting is a lethal amount and will cause liver failure. I am really surprised this has not already happened to be honest with you.
We have an excellent substance abuse community here that will answer your questions. I assume you do not have chronic pain and our taking these meds for pleasure purposes.
I am not putting you down or trying to scare you, you need help now. I advise you to burn those bridges and ask your doctor for assistance as going cold turkey is not really recommended in my opinion.
Check out our SA community. Go to forums at the top of the page and look for the SA comminity there.
If you need any help please let me know.
I am very glad to see your interested in quiting. The amount of Tylenol your ingesting is a lethal amount and will cause liver failure. I am really surprised this has not already happened to be honest with you.
We have an excellent substance abuse community here that will answer your questions. I assume you do not have chronic pain and our taking these meds for pleasure purposes.
I am not putting you down or trying to scare you, you need help now. I advise you to burn those bridges and ask your doctor for assistance as going cold turkey is not really recommended in my opinion.
Check out our SA community. Go to forums at the top of the page and look for the SA comminity there.
If you need any help please let me know.
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