how can detox iand handle withdraw at home

[ilikeraylewis]

Hello, I am 46 year old male, I wake at 5 AM, I take 3 shots of vodka with a 10/325 Endocet and 1 Tylenol 3 with codeine. -  At noon,  I take 3 shots of vodka and a 10/325 Endocet, and one half mg Xanax. -  At dinner I take 3 shots vodka and a 10/325 Endocet. At night I I have one drink, 1mg Xanax, and 5/325 percocet. I go to bed early, before midnight. I dont sleep over two hours at once, up at 5am with the runs and withdraw next morning, go to bathroom, take shower, and start again. Duration of Endocet and percocet is one month. Alcohol is ten year. Xanax is 10 year. I do get two extra strength vicodins for DDD, but they hurt my stomach badly, so I take the Endocet and percocet. I have only two vicodins per day at my disposal, I have unlimited Xanax and Tylenol 3 at my disposal.  My routine is as I described and I wish to quit the endocet as they are not prescribed. Can I stop? Can I use my Xanax and Tylenol 3 or my vicodin to ween off? Will the long term alcohol be a problem, it doesnt seem like much to me. I do wake up in withdraw every morning, I have cold hands and feet when I wake. How di I detox at home and will it be hard. I have kicked heroin when I was young and I am scared to kick these. Its not the amount but the regularity, and I didnt think that endocet for one month was bad. Maybe my mixture I described is adding up. What do I do to get through? Do I ween or stop all? The alcohol? 9 shots per day, never drunk but am steady. Again Endocet is only one month, vicodin wich I stopped was long years, alcohol is ten and xanax is ten years. Little amounts never wasted, but always slow and steady from early morning on.

[ilikeraylewis]

By the way, I refuse to eat, and am vegetarian. lol I am in a digestive mess.

[ilikeraylewis]

Fair enough on booze, appreciate that. I been an addict forever it seems. You have a solid  point, the booze has had an effect on my digestion. So any IBS, diarea, is exaggerated. As you know , cause you have alcoholic experience , we stop eating to increase the effects of the mixture. A few opies and booze on empty stomach, ten years running, goes a long way. Food kills the high.Your right, the booze is blocking all vitamins, and so forth.Do the math, nine shots, never a beer. Thats about a shot every 90 minutes. No detox available for me, must do this at home. I am down to less percs. I am at 20 mgs daily and two vicodins, while on them I have limited symptoms, when off, it all kicks in. Booze kick is a great idea, I wouldnt have included it if I wasnt open to info. I also know the difference between booze and opies. Your advice is good. I dont have a prob with decreasing booze similar to the taper method. Thats a thing I can do. I am now at 8 shots per day. I will be at seven shots as of Friday. Decreasing my little habits on all fronts is more than I thought, nothing like the "groove" kick, but strange in its own way. The nights are brutal, and I am most fearing the booze kick.,.. Thanks for calling that out.I  have bad internal health do to booze, but when I kick the opies, it all compounds. YES, booze will wake your but up and change you chemistry like anything else..Look at my posting times, just got back from talking pics of an accident. I still pop a vicodin, I get you think I am scientist, but I am lucky enough to have resource.The regularity is the prob, I will have withdraw from any quitting, I know that, but this mixture is tough, Ii didnt even mention all,the weed. No appetite, smoothies and metamucillYes, fiber treats the runs in a manner that regulates.also with bananas Vita B, , Ensure and a vitamin, less than 2000 cals per day in diet and take refirgerated pro biotics.. Thanks for the booze comment, its a major prob, but I wanted to know what order to attack this. By the way, I write sports, and if the clothesline was still allowed, Ray would be a Butkus!.  I have a request, how do I find my post, I put it under withdraw and detox, dont know about main board or any of that. Can you direct me to the list of comments that shows us all? I have no idea. Restless leg and constant squirming are in place. I am naturally very hyper wired person. Never sleep anyway. I just want the pain and night energy to subside. Got anything I need that will help. Resource is no prob, other than no detox available where I am.  Not worried about seizure , let it be if thats the case, at least the ER will accept that.How do I find the replies, site is a bit of a navigation. I have time to check in, comment, read later, then back to the paper I write for. Thanks, where are the comments? I only see one or two but see no main board. Looks like support group. If thats the cae then 12 step NA will do.

[Ben727]

The man's name is D i c k Butkus. I was in no way trying to be profane...

[Ben727]

Hey, Bal-more fan. Sorry about Ray Ray. Him and **** Butkus alone on top the MLB pyramid no matter what (and I bleed black and gold). I KNOW opaites and I know benzos. I (sadly) have a few bad alcoholics in my family (strangely, not me though), so I have a good idea about booze.

Reading your posts carefully, and alls I can say is: It's the booze. Stop with the anti-WD band aid drugs, they are a waste of your time. If you want to be scientific, cut out the booze for a month and see if that affects your 5am WD. Agree?

[ilikeraylewis]

I  am a journalist and I take notes and am detailed. Every time I went to detox in the past, way back....for crack binger, I would have to lie and say I had another problem, and I would do that each time I went, and I took every thing they gave me, then went to my doctor, and each visit, I said I had a problem that rtequired the med I saw in detox. I also call pharmacies because pharmacists have to answer questions even if you dont fill them there. So I have atenolol in case of A fib, pheno barb for seizure, clonipin is clonazepam and is still a benzo so the same family as  Xanax, I dont see the point. Got a pharma in my fam.I went and got every med I ever saw for detox from my doc under alternate reasons in case I wanted to kick pain meds, I used to tale Lortabs just like you by the way.. Point is I got preloafded vitamin shots which they give to alcoholics in treatment, got banana s and smoothies, got gatorades, got all that my pharma  fam told me to get. All just to kick as peaceful as I can., got hyoscyamine  and its areally good prescription diarea med. I planned this out. Now I have all these option, watched others detox when I was in detox, asked all technical questions, got all that I got for this. Thanks man. I am glad you took the time while your busy. I have removed own bullet before with lydocane over a tub one time. I am way into doctoring. You would be surprised what an addict journalist knows and I been on the streets long, just havent kicked in long time and am old now so I was worried. The booze can be cut by a shot a day, lowering one shot weekly

[overopiates]

Wait do u have blood pressure meds(the clonidine)I just glanced&saw u said anti seizure(btw u can take those&they do help ALOT)u dnt need2worry much about xanax seizure though if u were2just quit BUT DNT quit c/t thats a really dumb decision when u can taper cause just quiting w/no taper2step down u WILL FEEL LIKE PURE DEATH4often months b4u get back2normal.Even off 1.5mg.But as I said there r other factors so Im gonna wait for u2tell me those basic answers to what I asked.Also xanax will help w/anxiety u get pretty bad for anywhere from a few days2a few wks especially since u take em already so for mw they were a saving grace when I quit tabs.if i was confused&u dnt get clonidine u seem2know how2get&can ask a dr for that clondine I was talking about earlier.Also w/the answers2my questions list the meds u have for as u put it for detox.

[overopiates]

Ok forgive me as Im moving&today is unpacking day but I gonna write u everytime I get a break and good news everytime we respond on ur post it gets pushed to the top of the forum so others will see and chime in woth knowledge too.Ok so xanax have a siezure risk if abruptly stopped(the risk increases w/the amount u take&length of time.those2things also r the main factors n how mild or severe ur w/d will be and how long the feling bad(lingering anxiety)will last.U wrote A LOT&repeated ur dosage too so can u please just let me know HOW LONG U HAVE BEEN TAKING EACH THING&UR TOTAL DAILY DOSE.JUST THOSE2THINGS NOT how much at each dose or when etc.Just xanax1.5mg daily for X amount of time(same w/alcohol&opiates).U made it very detailed how u dose but just2simplify it for me cause as I said Im super busy but really wanna help&u r gonna get every break I take today so I can write more info hun.Glad ur her btw&welcome.u came2the right place:-)Look u already found a friend.
Sabrina

[overopiates]

Ok 1st I get that u THINK u dnt take much pills,dnt really drink much but a couple things.9shots of liquor a day IS A LOT. Also VERY dangerous w/xanax.I wanna say u can stop cold turkey on the opiates whenever u want.U will feel bad3-4days then the physical part of w/d starts to go away.It is not at all life threatening or dangerous(thats JUST OPIATES THOUGH).And ur not on a high dose.I will tell u this SUBOXONE IS AWFUL TO W/D FROM,takes FOREVER&U have to slowly taper&way worse w/d than c/t from the hydros u take.They r only used2help people get off opiates but not a help w/any other drug.THROW THEM OUT.U should only even consider taking subs(and those strickly under drs care)if ur taking herion,monster amounts of oxycontin etc).Thats considered a LAST RESORT med. because if ur doing H,shooting/snorting or orally taking enough hardcore pain killers that ur on the verge of ODing then subs r a life saver but often people dnt do the no more than3weeks of taking them then getting off they end up on them for a long time,when they finally wanna quit they have a long,slow w/d process thats really awful.U r not there dnt trade1addiction for another.U have em,abused em so u know u can get high.I say this about aubs because Ive seen a million people here who got on subs were/tapering&regret taking them.There have been a few people on the same as u like perka,tabs,endocet etc who were told2do subs&we as a forum just about always say no thats a huge mistake.Like trading a monkey on ur back4a demon lol.Hope u get my crappy metaphore.On2u taking w/d meds(some not sure how u abuse them).1st of all some of them u can&benefit from having them built up n ur system before u quit using like the vitamins,mag etc.U said u have bp meds.Clonidine I assume.Helped so much w/my100-150mg a day lortab abuse I went c/t(4a while it was snorting roxi30's 5 a day but not when I quit thank god I was juat tako
ing tabs).R u already taking clonidine daily?I still dnt c why that wouldnt help w/ur w/d symptoms.No ur not taking a lot of xanax per say)I was prescribed8mg a day myself back then BUT if u quit c/t and the alcohol u will have a HUGE chance a seizures&could die.I have a lot more to tell u but I need to run an errand so I will be back to post the rest n a little while.I wanna help u.Ill b back n a few.
Sabrina

[ilikeraylewis]

I am glad you responded, and I am appreciative, I was in NA for 15 years, am an x athlete, and was all the way in NA. Chairing, sponsoring, all those things... and all that. I am still in contact with them, but due to my athletic and journalism background, its hard to remain anonymous. I assume pride and all is out the door, and I have been through the grind of city using most of my life. Alcohol is a new thing in my life. Just goes to show that addiction is addiction....I am a sipper, is that a factor? I am never wasted and always just loose. I did go from taking oxy 30s to taking tens and the runs and withdraw was medium as opposed to horrible. I am scared of what you said, the slow, and even use of alcohol, and slow and even use of the detox meds to stave off at home is hurting my chances for help. You are saying that my light, but long use of Xanax and alcohol is as bad as a full throttle drinker? Maybe I could keep on downing the opiates till off them, and then just go in for  the other two? Or would that be redundant and simply cause me to detox multiple times as opposed to nixing it all? Lastly I dont understand why I go through withdraw by 5 am every morning, that seems fast, its like  I withdraw while using which I dont understand. I am a workout guy, and I drink tons of water and am vegetarian, could it be that I metabolize drugs so quickly that by every morning I am in withdraw? I go into light withdraw 5 hours after using my last nights buzz. Thats sort of fast as I am used to really withdrawing at day two or three. Why am I withdrawing so fast, I read other stories and I feel lucky that I dont use as much as what I am reading. I tried to set up a long term using schedule that doesnt get me wasted, but always on and habitual with low amounts. Is it this witches brew I mix thats causing this? Again, I am an x athlete, and I am guy that actually gets energetic with my opiate usage. Wash my car, clean house, write sports, and I use low amounts three times daily and I sip on vodka and stay short of wasted Thank you so much. Kick all at once in detox? Or kick opiates then to detox for alcohol. They almost laugh at my low usage, and I dont have the furious amounts I am reading. Is it my mix and my non eating  (cause I feel more of the high when I dont eat) thats screwing me? My digestion is all screwed up, and the IBS hits every morning so like I said, I have all things on hand that detox uses. I an scared that I am underestimating this but I was only on percs and contins for a month and the two a day vicodins before that, the vics are not being taken, and the booze? I cant skip a shot of my nine shots and just decrease? I am very disciplined user and the slow easy lose slow burn kind of dude. I also have access to ms contin and suboxone and like I said, I am a journalist and I meticulously have procured all of the detox drugs sued by getting them prescribed for other reasons. Nine shots of vodka, never a beer only 1.5 mgs a day of Xanax, yet I have unlimited supply of Xanax. I was hoping that I could sedate with a little extra xanax while tapering booze. I"m not even a drunk, I take a shot and wash my car and take a couple more, the I ride it out then redose my routine every four to five hours, 3 times daily. Look at my totals 3 tens, 1 codeine, 1.5 mgs Xanax, and 9 shots over 12 hour period, yet I withdraw each morning and I think thats fast.. My opiate and alcohol and benzo seems like a small amount. I even have profolol (I havent used it). I use my athlete status and street bringing up with my journalism research to get all the hospitals detox drugs they use. I use the detox methods at home to deal with 5 am symptoms, so I am tolerant to all of them Is the slow burn style I am using making this small using amounts more bad?.  I have less than one drink per hour when  do the math, 5 am to after the games are done at night, write my article, then to bed, the morning withdraw, the light usage again. 9 shots aint high for the time, but I guess the habitual nature that I do this every day and I space out my using to be non wasted but always a little buzzed.  Start eating again? Quite opiates? I can stop 1.5 mgs to 1mg of Xanax, my numbers are not high, its just slow and steady. I dont go beyond endocet tens and I dont exceed nine shots, and I am efficient and get the most out of little by spacing the using out? Three shots three times, over 12 hours....1,5 mgs Xanx, three tens, 1 codeine, promethazine and meculize and even hyosyamine for the runs, its a very good prescription IBS diarea med....I acnt stop 1.5 mgs of Xanax? Cant stop nine shots, is it due to how many years moreso than how much I am doing? Is my methodiacl slow burn actually a worse thing than all out abusing high numbers of substances? Thank you in adance for your compassion and I am really into support, I learned some good when inn NA for crack bingin, long done with that, over fifteen years out of that and heroin. Now its small and steady usage, not lots. Sorr to be so wrdy and I know you already answered me I wanted to rehash the low amounts and I did want to let you know that I have detox eqip drugs by slowly collecting them, naseu and doc gives prmethazine, dizzy so I get meculizine, runs, so hyoscyamine, I live off of Ensure drinks, a vitamin, and a small dinner at best. My diarea hurts with lots of burning. I have low drug numbers, but the mix????? Thank you again for understanding my situation and taking this time. I want to be clear so I write a lot

[ilikeraylewis]

thank you. I need to say more. My total Xanax intake is only 1.5 mgs per day, and from 5 am to midnight , is 9 shots a lot? I have one more problem. I have been in detox many times, I am a journalist, and I have prcured through my doctor by making false complaints, the same drugs they use in detox, such as librium  suboxone, and promethazine (vomiting) and mesculizine (dizziness) and even hyoscyamine which I now use to stave off withdraw at times, and I abuse the detox drugs, so they will have no drugs for me in detox trhat I already do not use. I even have anti seizure meds that they use. I have used them to the point where the detox cannot help me with those. I even self inject magnesium like they do for slcoholics in detox. I amm so smart that I cut off all of the detox methods by alkklready being on them now.

[overopiates]

1st yes u can quit the opiate and u can do it c/t or taper w/what u have.As for the xanax and alcohol NO WAY.Both cause can cause seizures and death if u quit c/t.Xanax need to b tapered very slowly under a drs. supervision and ur alcohol I can imagine a way to taper or anything like that safely either.U need to go into a detox center so u can be monitored.Or the hospital.PLEASE DONT TRY TO STOP THE XANAX OR ALCOHOL ON UR OWN WAY TOO DANGEROUS.U NED PROFFESIONAL HELP FOR THOSE.So glad ur ready to do this.Welcome we r here for u day or night.Please find a detox center.they can get u off these things safely and set u up with an aftercare program for continued recovery.

[ilikeraylewis]

by the way, i do all on empty stomach.   i am thin and don t eat. i eat once a day and less than 2000 calories per day. iam thiiiiiin.