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how did evryone deal with the 1st 5 days , off the pill's.
by hippy, Nov 06, 2002 12:00AM
this question is for everyone, how do people
deal with the dreaded 1st week clean and what did
you do to get through it.
this post is for people struggling to get past the
wall of fear we build in our minds, in regards to
stopping the vike's ,hydro,percs,.
i know i made it into a monster the thought of being with out pills scared me to death, but finally the pain of useing became so great , that a change had to come about.
when i found this fourm and read about the receipe , i found hope.
i was up to 15 vikes a day and i was scard to death all the time.
anyway i started on the receipe and went cold turkey, to my amaze ment
it was not nearly as bad as i had made it out to be in my mind, i could not sleep well and i was awake everyday at 5 am, my legs hurt
i felt like **** , but i felt like **** on the pills to.
5 or six days went by and i started to have feelings agian,
i was brought to tears rather quickly. after having no feelings
for 4 years. and then i was feeling happiness and joy it
was like a birth.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
deal with the dreaded 1st week clean and what did
you do to get through it.
this post is for people struggling to get past the
wall of fear we build in our minds, in regards to
stopping the vike's ,hydro,percs,.
i know i made it into a monster the thought of being with out pills scared me to death, but finally the pain of useing became so great , that a change had to come about.
when i found this fourm and read about the receipe , i found hope.
i was up to 15 vikes a day and i was scard to death all the time.
anyway i started on the receipe and went cold turkey, to my amaze ment
it was not nearly as bad as i had made it out to be in my mind, i could not sleep well and i was awake everyday at 5 am, my legs hurt
i felt like **** , but i felt like **** on the pills to.
5 or six days went by and i started to have feelings agian,
i was brought to tears rather quickly. after having no feelings
for 4 years. and then i was feeling happiness and joy it
was like a birth.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for bringing up this very good topic. You really hit the nail on the head with a lot of what you said. I had built up a lot of fear about what withdrawals would be like, and the truth was that it was not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.
Once I through the worst of the physical withdrawals, I was so overwhelmed with feelings of joy that I did it, that I didn't focus on missing the drugs. It looked at it as an adventure and as a new chapter in life.
For me, my strong spiritual beliefs were a tremendous help as well. We all have different beliefs and experiences in this department, and I don't believe that it is necesary to have spriritual beliefs in order to get, but I believe that it does help.
So anyway, the first 5 to 7 days off the pill were something that I was so proud of that I could barely contain myself I loved it. The cravings to use again started about 2 weeks after withdrawals were over and I dealth with those (and still do) by reaching ou to toehers and trusting them. My forum family got me through it.
This is off subject, but I want to tell y'all something that is very important to me.
My mother got sober in AA 28 years ago. The woman who was her sponsor literally saved my mothers life and was very kind to me. She lead a sad, hard life on her own though. She had plenty of money, a luxurious home on the ocean, horses, all the 'stuff' that we thnk will mak us happy. I loved her very much.
She died yesterday.
I am stunned, and spent a large part of the night crying and refecing on my gratitude for all she did. If there is a heaven, the angels welcomed her with open arms.
I found out from listening to the phone message my mom left me, but I haven't talked to my mom yet. There is a strong possibility that I'll be flying to Massachusetts today or tomorrow to support my mother in her time of grief and honor this wonderful woman's life.
Life is precious. She touched lifes that she doesn't even know she touched.
I hope I told her often enough how special and important she was to so many. I truly loved her.
Thank you for listening.
love,
Tara aka WW
P.S. Is that an angel I see there on your shoulder?
To everyone,
I have been doing alot of research on opiate addiction, however I am not a doctor, only a pre-med student, but i heard about this recipe that has worked for many and I am in the process of obtaining all of the ingredients for myself. I have estimated the cost of everything to be a little under $200.00. I know this can be expensive for some, but when it came to obtaining drugs we spared no expense. Well here it is, and yes this was formulated by a doctor who recently died at the ripe old age of 106. I will try to find the website I obtained this from and post it as well.
1.Vitamin B-5 500mg to 1 gram per day - vitamin B-5 is the vitamin that is needed to metabolize and breakdown substances in the brain. In other words you need enough vitamin B-5 for the brain to work optimally. According to Dr. Bob, usually vitamin B-5 in brain metabolism needs about a 1-3 ratio to other brain substances such as choline, L-phenylalanine, and others to properly effect the necessary chemical reactions in the brain. This is why Dr. Bob recommended one-half to one gram per day.
2. L-phenylalanine 250mg per day – L-phenylalanine is an essential amino acid that is a precursor to two key neurotransmitters (chemical messengers of the brain) that promote alertness: dopamine and norepinephrine. The effects of improving dopamine and norepinephrine can lead to elevated mood, aid in memory and learning, and decrease pain. It is often used in orthomolecular medicine to treat depression. Supplemental L-phenylalanine should not be taken by pregnant women or by people who suffer from anxiety attacks, diabetes, high blood pressure, phenylketonuria (PKU), or preexisting pigmented melanoma, a type of skin cancer and multiple sclerosis.
3. Tyrosine 500mg per day - tyrosine is another precursor of the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine, which regulate mood, among other things. A deficiency of norepinephrine in the brain can result in depression. It also is involved in the metabolism of L-phenylalanine. Supplements of L-tyrosine should be taken at bedtime or with a high carbohydrate meal so that it does not have to compete for absorption with other amino acids. Persons taking monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors often prescribed for depression should not take any supplements containing L-tyrosine, as it may lead to a sudden and dangerous rise in blood pressure. Persons with multiple sclerosis should not use supplemental tyrosine.
4. Citicholine 250mg per day, also called CDP-Choline - citicholine is metabolized in the brain to produce the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is involved with memory, thought, sexual function and many other vital aspects of functioning. Improving acetylcholine levels is an aid in regenerating a heroin user's brain. Citicholine also has been shown to be involved in producing other neurotransmitters of the brain. Take it in conjunction with vitamin B-5 supplementation.
5. L-pyroglutamate 800-1000mg per day - enhances acetylcholine function because it boosts the metabolism of the neurons that manufacture acetylcholine. It also improves acetylcholine by increasing the number of cholinergic receptors in the brain. The cholinergic system is the primary conduit of thought and memory that mainly employs the neurotransmitter acetylcholine.
6. Acetyl-L-carnitine 1 gram per day - is an important antioxidant of the brain and is involved in many aspects of neuronal metabolism. Antioxidants neutralize free radicals and damage from opiate use to brain tissue results in the accumulation of free radicals.Opiate use also makes it vital to stimulate neuronal metabolism, the ability to produce energy for the chemical reactions necessary for the brain to work.
7. Deprenyl - is a prescription substance that is capable of protecting the important neurotransmitter dopamine. Low levels of dopamine can impair cognitive function. Inform the doctor of any other supplements you are taking in conjunction with deprenyl, since all of the substances mentioned in this protocol create synergy and make each more potent. In other words all of these substances in this protocol help each other work better and therefore the doctor will need to determine your deprenyl dose, which may be more or less the usual dose recommended.
8. Melatonin 1-3 grams at bedtime - the main antioxidant of the brain, it helps to repair and protect the brain from damage. We mentioned that opiate use leads to accumulation of free radicals from prior damage and ongoing damage. Melatonin helps to neutralize and repair this damage.
9. Hydergine Sandoz - this is a prescription substance that increases oxygen in the brain tissue. Increasing oxygen in brain tissue can greatly improve the brain of a heroin user. We mentioned that damage to the brain can lead to decreased circulation. The decreased circulation reduces the levels of oxygen that can get to brain tissue. Hydergine can improve this condition. Hydergine acts in synergy with most of the nutritional supplements in this article. You therefore need a doctor who is familiar with hydergine and will know what dose to start you off at and what dose to build you up to. Inform your doctor of the other supplements you are taking when you ask about Hydergine.
Dr. Bob's protocol, is designed to improve mood and cognition, as well as repair and protect the brain. Opiate use has created many problems in the brain. You must jump-start the brain in order to get it back to normal functioning. This will usually not happen on its own when the damage that has occurred as depleted the brain and suppressed many other of its aspects. This idea is similar to a car battery that is low and can no longer start. Once it is recharged it may be able to start the car again, but until the battery is recharged the entire automobile cannot function. The brain is electrical, and it is recharged by the neurotransmitters. If the neurotransmitters are low or depleted they need to get a jump-start. Furthermore, many cravings of addiction that are triggered by the depleted brain, may be reduced in a brain that has been improved and rejuvenated. Dr. Bob said often, "good luck and may heaven's blessing be yours."
SPECIAL NOTE: Dr. Bob suggested taking the substances in his "Brain Regeneration Protocol" at the same time, except melatonin and tyrosine. The substances become more potent when taken at the same time. Dr. Bob also suggested taking most of them before 3:00 P.M. so they would not interfere with sleep. Additionally sometimes it was not possible to do the entire protocol, often expenses being a reason. On these occasions Dr. Bob recommended starting the brain regeneration with vitamin B-5, citicholine, L-pyroglutamate, and melatonin.
I hope this will help someone out there.
Goodluck and thanks to everyones encouraging words, I love you all sincerely. By the way is anyone from Hotlanta, Thats where I am.
CATUF
@38
pixi
Great topic. I stopped using 24 days ago. My usage had escalated to 30 10/500 hydrocodone per day. I didn't taper. The first 24 hrs is uncomfortable but not unbearable. I felt depressed, nervous, uncomfortable, just bad. Hell broke loose the 2nd 24 hrs. Vomiting, bile diareah, aches, just plain despair. I was able to minimize these horrific effects through the use of Loperamide Hydrochloride (Imodium (immodium) AD). I exceeded the dosage until I felt less uncomfortable and believe me, it works. I was able to go back to work on day 3 and I ran a 20 mile, 24hr relay race (Providian Relay) on day 6. It almost killed me due to the fact that the natural chemistry in my brain (endorphins)had yet to kick in.
What is worse (in my opinion) than the 1st 5 days, is the post-acute withdrawal symptoms for which I still feel the effects. It seems like I will never feel better again and this is very distressing. I am back to running close to 50 miles a week and still only get periodic periods of relief. My concentration is still unfocused and for at least 6 hours a day I go into that horrible, achey (achy) withdrawal where my pupils dilate and lethargy sets in big time. I attribute the these lasting effects on my high usage (300mg per day) and quitting CT. I think if you have a lesser habit, you may feel better A LOT quicker. Please remember that as long as you are ONLY addicted to opioids, the withdrawal in healthy adults is ONLY very uncomfortable and NOT life threatening. If you are alcoholic and or on Benzos or Barbituates, you need to detox in a hospital as WD from these ARE life threatening. If anyone listened, thanks! Trout
my father is in aa 37 years sober and his sponser is 44 years sober. my father is youny 77 and his sponser is 79 and not doing good, he is forgeting people. i went to a alnon meeting
last month my brothers daughter was speaking at a alonon/alateen
anaversey.
she is 13 and her father passed away a few years ago due to od.
so any way they also had a alanon speaker and a aa speaker,
i have
not been to a aa or alnon meeting for over 15 years, i go
to na, anyway the girl from aa starts to speak and she young and smart and very good , then she mentions that her grand father is in aa and has 44 years, there are no chance meetings, it was all meant be,
then my neice spoke and i just had tears in my eyes.
well im rambling
, tho i must say that my fathers sponser
changed the world.he was great
peace, and i hope all goes well
michael from philly
pixi
Thanks for the support over the death of my mom's sponsor.
She was a wonderful woman. I remember when my mom met her. I was 12 years old, and used to go hang out with this woman's kids when she and my mom would meet to work on my mother's recovery.She was the kindest, most compassionate person I've ever known, and she saved my mother's life. I remember loving her for helping my mother stop drinking, and thanking her with my child's bluntness for "giving me my mom back".
Last night, when I heard the news, I went outside and sat on the grass and looked up at the stars. I felt that heaven recieved an angel back into its gates, and that the earth was blessed by this woman's life. Sadly she and her own daughter were estranged. Her own daughter never forgave her for the her drinking, and never got to see what a wonderful woman her mother was. I hope that I haven't made that mistake with my mother, and if I have, it's high time I corrected it.
love,
WW
5 days is one heck of an accomplishment, thats the physical part mostly. Now comes the harder test, dealing with the cravings and depression that can come with "losing your friend." For me the depression was worse than the physical feelings, but they will pass, just stay focused on the end result - getting you back. If the depression gets bad, maybe see your doctor about getting on an SSRI. After many failed attempts to come clean, going on an SSRI (Paxil) helped with the depression and got me thru.
Nice meeting you. Keep up the fight. Let me know how your doing. I usually check posts 1x a day.
Take care - Nod
WW - please accept my sympathy in the loss of your friend. She sounds like she was an exceptional person, and you have paid a wonderful tribute to her.
gia - thanks for this "recipe" - Have you used this yet, and has it helped? I'm doing the Thomas recipe, and it seems like it has taken a lot of the cravings away. This one has a lot of ingredients I've never heard of - can you get them at a health food store, such as GNC?
Pixi - just want to say hi, and always enjoy your posts---you're a sweetie!
Lisabet
As far as my husband goes, he tries. I just can't stand all the suspicion? What are you doing? What did you buy? What are you looking at on the internet etc.... Does anyone experience this? Or has experienced this in the past? Does it get better?
Take care!
Suzie
Definitely do not let this lack of compassion from others get in the way of your recovery. I had to deal with this issue myself and I actually left my boyfriend bcause he did not understand and was in denial of the fact that I actully have a problem. He made it seem like it was no big deal and that I was just getting high and that there was no urgency in getting clean. This made me feel so alone because he is the only person that I have here in Atlanta and is the only one that knows my problem. It used to really bother me, but I made up mind that it does not matter what he thinks and that he is not worth jepordizing my health an future. I learned to just ignore his imput and stay focus on what I need to do. Eventually I did invite him to this family education class at this outpatient program I was in and it opened his eyes a lot, so it might help to let your husband read some of the posts or get some literature or go to an NA meeting together. But I will tell you I had the hardest time opening up to anyone but once I did, like writing on this forum,I felt so good. I even go to NA meetings. The point is you are not alone. People do care and will help. Hell I don't even know you but I care about you now ! Just stay focused and keep posting and remember this is real problem, a disease like any other disease, one that can be survived. Althogh I am not out of the woods yet, I have a lot of hope and am excited about the new life that is waiting for me around the corner. I know this is a long post but i felt so compelled to write after reading your post. Just remember nobody can understand an addict better than another addict, so don't be too upset with others because they will never truly understand unless they have walked in our shoes.
By the way my email adress is ***@**** if you need to talk.
Take care
This is a recipe for heroin/opiate abuse. The last two ingred. are pharmacuetical but I dont think you need a prescription online. I heard from quite a few that it helps a lot, even if you dont get the prescipt. ingred. It will help you get back to normal quicker and reduce cravings. let me know how it works cuz it will probably be a while before I get started.
You're welcome.
the only people who really listen are people who hhave been
there other addicts,most people in our society frown on addicts.
if you told them your problem was booze they would problep be
more receptive.
it is very wise to find a support group, i have found that i can not do this alone, so i go to na meetings, they can be difficult at first , but as time go's on they are most rewarding.
there is a few ways a person can share they can complaine,
they can dump all there problems, they cantell a war story about all the drugs they used, or they can talk about recovery and
what they are doing to get another day and how they help others.
some meetings are dumping grounds and not always fun to be at.
we need to take an active part in the structure of the meetingsd
when we get involved, this luanches us into a truely wonderful
recovery.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hey there , good morning , great to hear the news
7 days , that is really nice to hear.
one of the things i had to do was shut off my cell phone.
or i would have got a call for pills and just said how much.
i a have always been weak in early recovery.
so you are in chi town . talk to ya later
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hippy
How in the world can a pharmacist be so incompetent as to put an empty pill bottle in a bag and ship it.
Let us know how it went..really strange
Hugs
Suze
So many of them are being shut down, however, more still keep popping up. In only about six months, even being a brand new business, these pharms rake in a TON of money...the docs don't do too badly either.
If that isn't the case, then she has to take file a report stating that she thinks fedex took her meds. They will have to have the pharm involved with them stating they shipped a full bottle. She better not have more than one online pharm going at the same time tho...I say this because that is where trouble starts for people, and most people who use these places have more than one consult going at a time. Once the police are involved, they will look into this - if she's not on the up and up, this situation will quickly turn around on her. Also, because of all the media attention to these pharms, the police could very well refer this to the DEA or whomever.
I would say because of the paranoia surrounding Lortab ( that is what she ordered right), she will not get another script from this pharm anytime soon. There are plenty others out there that she can just give her credit card, and have more meds the next day...
By the way, got back from my trip this afternoon. Good to see so many new folks starting out here. Today is day 31 for me, and the trip didn't create the "triggers" I was expecting. I used to travel on business and find myself in the hotel room in the evenings "relaxing" with my hydros. This time, I tried to stay busy, and really just used the room to sleep, shower, and dress. So now I feel there is one less obstacle to my continuing my life without drugs, and I can function without having to rely on those "old friends".
Glad to see everyone supporting all the new folks so well. To all those who are new, you have found a place filled with supportive, loving, special people.
Sundown
I doubt she'll get a new script, but one can hope. If fedex is now ripping open packages to steal drugs, I guess I'll find a new delivery service.
Witchy - I'm SO sorry about your loss...I can see why she was so important to you. I pictured a little girl looking up to this woman and thanking her for giving her mom back...made me want to cry. Except that I do not cry anymore...while on bup or any other narcotic, I seem to have no emotions at all. I've become antisocial and unemotional - completely opposite of the "real" me.
Anyhow, I'm very sorry...I hope your faith can help get you through. I am looking into covens in my area...been studying a lot. Take care.
Is it just me, or does discussion about online pharmacies on this forum seem out of line to anyone else?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not against online pharmacies. I am even a member of a board that lists various online pharmacies both domestic and overseas. I moderate the recovery forum on that board. I have ordered buprenorphine from online pharmacies. But I don't discuss that here because that is not what this board is about. I don't want anyone to think I'm a hypocrite.
However, this particular forum, right here, is for people who are trying to deal with recovery from drug addiction. There a *hundreds* of forums and boards on the internet where this question could be asked. Why bring it here, to a board where people are exploring recovery from drug abuse when you could post it on one of those other boards where it wouldn't potentially be a carrot dangling in front of a newly recovering person dealing with cravings etc?
Most of you guys know me pretty well. I've been hanging out here for two years. I do my best to live and let live. Maybe it's my grief about the death of my dear friend that is making me feel pissy and less tolerant today. I don't know. But I really feel that it's potentially harmful to newly recovering people to have this topic go on here. Usually I just shut my trap and let this kind of thing roll of my back. It's not up to me to make the rules over what is ok or not ok to talk about on this board. That job belongs to Cindy and Phil.
But still, for whatever reason, PMS, grief over the death of the woman that helped my mother recover from severe alcoholism, and a strong desire to make this a space where people will not be exposed to temptation.......I can't keep my mouth shut about it today.
In my humble opinion, if someone has a question about online pharmacies, it is better to post it on a board that focuses on that topic, not on a board where people are trying to get into recovery.
I am sorry if I"ve offended anyone. That's not my intention. And if I"m the only one with this opinion, I'll keep it to myself from this point on.
Thanks for listening.
I love you all no matter what, and hope you love me even in my pissy state of mind.
WW
Kind of scared me, that she can "have that carrot dangling" so to speak. I definately wouldn't want her to have that "discovery" here, especially in these early vulnerable days.
Tara, i was saddened to read of your recent loss....just know that my arms just reached thru the cmpt and gave you a huge loving hug.
take care and god bless you and your family.
Mis