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How do you find a doctor to help you... I need some one to help me with this hi anxiety while I taper down. I am using morphine 120 mg a day 30 mg of percs per day...I also take vicodin..this is my real problem I need to get off the vicodin and just live with my perc and morphine for a while... But the anxiety is so bad... I need something for it while I quit the vics...

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

Just quiting the vics isnt going to cut it at this point. You will want to quit all opiates. Its called cross tolerance. Check your local medical association for a Doctor referral. They can usually help you out...........and read through the posts and the med help archives....lot of good information there ........you can never learn too much about this problem........

[steveo30]

theeagle is right ,just quitting the vics is just going to make you do more morphine or percs.and both of those meds are stronger than vics.do you have pain or is this just an addiction.doctors seem to be getting a little smarter,there harder to trick if thats what your trying to do.it becomes a game that most people lose in the end.stay on the forum ,and keep your ears open

[ocd_vico]

thank you I need to taper I know I need off all opiates but the anxiety is so bad I can't take it I am a wuss... even cutting down a little gives me anxiety from hell

[steveo30]

if i could only take my own advice.sometimes i get caught up in other peoples problems on this forum and love helping people out as much as i can.i haven't talked lately about what i'm going through. i've been on this forum about a week now and haven't kept up with my ween off process.not happy about that.ineed to open my ears

[lmatthews75]

The anxiety is caused from the pills.  I have to agree with the comments you need to stop taking all of them.  If you cant do it alone get help detox rehab be up front with your family or friends and your doctor.  I have been in your shoes and you can do this....

[ochooked]

Hi Ocd-vico ----  You are getting some of the best advice in the world above -- these people know what they are talking about.   The opiates are killing you -- and dulling your senses along the way -- I'm not throwing rocks at you -- we have all been there ---  You are no more of a 'wuss' than any of us were when we realized we had to quit --- You CAN do this.  Part of the big lie that drugs convince you of is that you are weak -- it is not true ---  I started out to find a Rapid Detox place b/c I was so convinced that I didn't have the strength to quit--- I was wrong and so are you --  You are also trying to quit a class 3 narcotic (Hydrocodone) instead of the two class 2's (Morphine and Oxycodone).  I can read between the lines and think you must be doctor shopping b/c I don't think any doctor would prescribe all three.  Stay on here guy -- read the other posts --- and  by all means, keep posting yourself -- You will find real strength on here and encouragement.  All the best to you and Happy Thanksgiving.

[ochooked]

Oops -- sorry I called you a guy-- no offense intended - I just didn't read your information.

[worried878]

if u r at the point to where u r abusing one of the narcotics then it is probable that u could potentially abuse all of them....narcotics are narcotics and it is like an alcoholic who is a scotch drinker switching to wine in hopes of drinking less...doesnt work as a rule....lots of factors to consider but the morphine is the least abused out of the 3 and tapering off the other 2..maybe the vikes first and then the percs..then evaluate the morphine..but while doing so u would have to be sure u r not increasing doses of the others...tough and most need help/sopmeone to hold the pills.....can u ask ur doctor for help and something safe for anxiety while u do this/if u do this?   also being strong is a big part of this..do not convince urself that u can not do it/or u will not be able to....convince urself that u can..keep posting..thomas recipe can help

[ocd_vico]

no no I am not doctor shopping I have valid prescription for the precs and morphine I have a bad back that I have a legit respected pain management doctor I am looking for a doctor to manage my detox-taper

[ochooked]

Good for you Ocd ----  You CAN do this -- I know you can.  You need to believe in yourself also--- there is real encouragement and help on here so please stay with us -- keep posting and letting us know how you are doing.   Worried gave you some good advice also --- of all the narcotics you are on the least one used for pleasure is the Morphine --- get rid of the others and use that for your pain -- one step at a time - soon you will be ready to either go CT or taper from the Morphine.  Most of us who live with Chronic pain soon realize that the Opiates only disguise the pain - not treat it --- There are other more effective ways to deal with pain that continuing to increase doses of Opiates while getting less and less relief.  Hey, I wish you will and have a good Thanksgiving.

[ocd_vico]

Thank You... I will keep posting and keep everyone informed

A great Thanksgiving to you

[worried878]

when I said abused..i did not mean to infer that u were not getting ur pills legally...not at all...many here get every pill they take or took from a doctor..and only the person themself knows if they r overdoing it or not...so did not mean to imply that u were doing anything wrong...and didnt mean  to imply u were abusing them..or taking them to feel good or ok rather than for pain purposes...it is just that most who post feel like they may have a problem so i may have jumped to a wrong conclusion...keep posting

[ocd_vico]

no problems here I am taking the vic's off the street but I get the perc's and morphine from my doctor for my back this is why I want to get off the vic's... than taper the morphine and perc's I need a doctor to help me but I cannot find anyone. my family doc called me a told me she cancelled my appointment for today and will see me next thursday after she found out what I wanted to see here about.. what the hell is that the war is going on now

[lmatthews75]

Look at some drug facts you are taking 2 via the doctor and 1 via the streets thats allot on your kidneys and liver....You need to goto your pain mang doc an start with him or her first....I am sure they deal with cases like this all the time.  DO you have a place in your area to get an evaluation?  If your doctor is not facing you then its time to find a new one and when you are on the clean road then you can tackle the doctors ingnorance....I did I went to my doctor an said I cant stop he gave me more an more then cut me off cold turkey which can be very dangerous in any case I started with percs then to xanaxs then drinking so be sure you dont trade one for another it can become a nasty cycle.....clean means clean of all subtances................Lisa

[ocd_vico]

I agree with everything you said.... I really do need the perc's and morphine until I can get into mayo for my back surgery...I just don't like doing the vic's because #1
I am abusing them #2 its wrong... so I need help getting off of them... the anxiety I get is so bad I cannot put it into words so I need someone to help me...I actually don't abuse the pers and morphine I am to scared to run out...

[lmatthews75]

I know how you r feel the scared feeling not being able to walk out of the house or drive a car ect it all in the W/D it part of the process for sure.....POINT dont drive or do anything to fast this is a step by step thing....How many viic are you taking per day? at what strength ........

[ocd_vico]

about 12-15 I will cut down to 8 today no trouble yet we wil see as the day goes on...
but tomorrrow I will be out....I think most of my anxiety is mental I have only been abusing the vics for two weeks... I have allot more to say I will in a little bit...I probably need a hole new thread and tell you all the story from start to finish

[tinyjennyl2002]

How are people able to take that many vic's at one time?   I take 1 and then an hour or two later 1 more...but some of these people that take 12 -15 like you or some people take even more....aren't you so high that you are almost passed out or out of it totally?  I'm just perplexed as to how your bodies can handle that much at one time without killing you??   I'm addicted as well and probably the most I would ever take at one time would be 3 b/c I would be afraid as to what it would do to me if I did anymore than that.
What is your experience like taking that many?  I know that I have to ween myself off...but it's sooo darn hard...b/c they make me feel like I can function through the day...but I know that they are robbing me of my soul...plain and simple as that.

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

It is called tolerance ..... one opiate trait.  After you have been taking them for awhile your standard dose wont do a thing to you. To achieve even the same effect takes twice as many pills.  And eventually they will not do a thing..At that point you will be doing the pills just to keep from getting sick...And no amount of pills will give you an effect.  You may take enough to obtain respiratory arrest but still not have a buzz.   That is called diminishing returns.  You better get smart really fast or you will be in the same position. This is no joke. I can take a half dozen 10mg hydros with no affect whatsoever.............

[cattalina]

For the anxiety - speak to your doctor about going on actual anti-anxiety meds or anti-depressents which generally have anti-anxiety properties in them.
Forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question but... if you're taking vics, percs and morphine - why do you need to taper the vicoden? Why not just stop taking it? Considering you're on other opiates you wouldn't suffer actual wds if you just stopped taking them. Worst case you just wouldn't feel high as a kite. Of course the mental side of that would still surface but physically you wouldn't even notice. Did I miss something?

[ocd_vico]

NO LOL I take that in a day...thank god its not at one time... have been for 2 weeks

[worried878]

ok...digested what i have read...is the reason u do not want to tell ur pain mgt doctor due to fear he will cut u off the percs and morphine?  any doctor u go to will need to know about the use of the other 2 drugs or they can not help u the way u need as fartr as stopping the vikes..ur pain mgt doctor is the one u need to talk to...and as mentioned, taper off the viks..get ur surgery done and quit before u end up in more trouble than u r in...what type of surgery do u need?   it is best to tell ur supplier u r done..no more...write out a taper if u thinki it is imperative and gwet off of them  as mantioned i would not think it would be necessary to taper if u r taking morphine twice a day and percs as needed?   take an honest look at the situation and evaluate what u need to do,,,,chronic pain is a bumber but is what u r doing here really therapuedic?

[lmatthews75]

Ok here the hard truth you have to stop 2 weeks of using vic's you will not be in that bad of shape...I will tell you this is you dont your liver or kidneys will stop you can have lung problems bleeding ulcers you are taking a massive amount of narcotics and to add you are already overdosing on asprin the second number so if you are taking 10-15 10-325 you are on vic's alone 150 mgs of narcotics and 4875 mg of asprin................now 10-500 or 650 do the math sweetie you have to be sick to your stomach all the time the high cant be fun anymore....to add the cost is incredible.  I want to help you.....I can tell you from the day I started til the day I quick anything to help.....Lisa

[ocd_vico]

looks like I will be going cold turkey tomorrow I will run out of Vic's tonight I could not get any Bezo's so looks like hell is coming any advise on hi anxiety with out bezo's please any one

[lmatthews75]

this could be a good thing Benzo's are very bad I withdrew from them last the pain killers are bad but benzo's are a much longer process....You can do this ....Do you take benzo's?  Have you taken them in the past?  are you still taken the other prec and mor?

[worried878]

do u still have the morphine and percs?  do u mean ct from the vikes?  it is not considered ct if u r taking narcotics and u will be fine...u r worrying but that is normal....if u are taking the other 2 drugs i just do not see how u will be too sick...u may be craving the buzz the extra vikes gave u but u will not be too physically ill   stock up on the imodium (immodium) and stuff if need be....keep posting ansd stay strong...u dont want to be an emotional cripple due to the narcotics when u have ur surgery...there will come a time when they all may have to go..stay strong,....we also have a pain forum that may help u

[ocd_vico]

I have taken benz's before but never long term just for a day or two...

[ocd_vico]

Thanks...I am not worried about any physical symtoms (symptoms) it's the crazy anxiety I get. I do not want to end up going to the hospital freaking out... Oh man do I have a way of getting into bad situations

[worried878]

short term they are ok...long term use leads to addiction so many just use the benzo like valium for a week or so...there r also natural supps for anxiety like kava kava, theanine, calme forte at walmart.....exercise helps mine the most...some AD help with anxiety as well..be safe and keep posting

[ocd_vico]

day two of no vic's feel better than I thought tomorrow will be the one day that will tell me if I got off easy or not I slept all on day one

[mr.lucky66]

This anxiety could be caused by the narcotics or exasterbated by the narcotics. It happened to me and others I've known. Sometimes also a drug like xanax can cause your anxiety to get worse from rebound.

[worried878]

good luck to u...u r staying on track,...what type of surgery r u gonna have oc?  i have had a fuison so just curious?

[ocd_vico]

on back basically my L4 L5 S1 have moved down and turned to the left with the disks bulging pinching the nerves of the sciatica... I have pain that goes from my back down the back of my thigh to the outer side of my calf threw the outside ankle over top of foot... Right now the pain has settled in my ankle and foot,, brutal....its giving me foot drop also so I am losing my balance I do not know what king of surgery that will be ,but thats what I have...I also have nerve damage that was a fin test