im drowning here cant take this

can someone please tell me when does the worst of the methadone wd hit you ive read some who are on it long term dont start to feel wd till 3 days after they jump i was only at 15 for 3 weeks after long pill use i went to 10 4 days ago and every night the wd hits and it gets worse every night i go every am to dose and it helps during the day but at night lord every muscle is jumping and knots and on fire my head hurts my stomach cramping in and out of the bathroom. im freaking out i started to feel the drop the day after i did it day 2 and been dying since then. is this wd im getting at night the worst it gets or is this just a taste of whats to come i cant imagine worse iv quit pills  b4 never was it this bad i dont know why this is so bad for me. if this is as bad as wd gets i cant see doing 2 or 3 more weeks of this i will lose my mind i know myself its like having the worst flue for a month. am i keeping myself in the throws of acute wd? or am i realy saving myself a wd i cant even imagine. i dont know if its my matabolism being so fast that keeps me in wd every night i dont think i can do this for 3 more weeks its not easing up but at the same time i couldnt handle if i didnt go dose tomorrow and the wd doubled and then got even worse day 3 after jump like most say it does i cant imagine how bad that would be this is killing me. i dont have the option of slowing down i am on xanax too long to ct from it and its too dangerous to stay on it and meth. they knew i was on it when i started. i didnt know the danger till it was too late.i dont see a way to survive this either way seems like the imposible i realy dont get how this drug works. im confused what will happen if i jump what will happen if i stay on my detox taper??? i cant trust the doc to tell me the truth my clinic is bound and determined to keep everyone who pays on meth for life they say whatever crazy thing they have to to keep you there. he isnt going to help make this easy or make it work he wants me to fail and stay at all costs so where do i turn please someone help i feel like giving up i cant take this long agony and not knowing whats coming min to min and not having a doc i can trust to tell me the truth. so i have no idea what my future looks like jumping or staying on taper according to him its going to get worse either way i need to stay on for at least a year then spend another year or 2 tapering that is IF i dont stay on as a lifer which he thinks is the only way to success. you can see what im dealing with from him. im lost scared what do i do who can i turn to  for truth/help??????

[IwillDoThis]

I just wanted to give you some support.  I don't know specifically about methadone but I can tell you my experience.

I was on hydros and I tapered down from 4-6 pills per day to 1 and then jumped off.  I've also been tapering down from a low dose of xanax but I also believe I've been in low level withdrawal for it for quite a while because it stays in the body for such a short time - this is why I decided to excelerate my taper and just get off it, I was hurting taking it anyway every single day and I just want to get over the benzo withdrawal.

it sounds like you are still on a pretty high dosage and I know lots of people who say the clinics are just a mill to keep you going and paying - it is a real shame you don't feel like you can trust your doctor.  I wish I had some great advice but I'll leave that to the members who have experience.

I mainly just wanted to tell you to try to hang on and give you some support.

I was fine with my taper until I jumped off and the real withdrawals began - just keep telling yourself this h#ll you are experiencing is a temporary thing, you can endure anything temporarily, just get through each minute, each hour whatever you need.

I'll be thinking of you!

[corbear]

I'm so sorry ur in so much pain. I know how hard it is coming off pills. I tapered myself from an 80mg of Norco a day down to 10mg a day. Its been a week since Ive tapered and only 4 days I've been on 10mg. I read you take ur meds in the morning, can u split that in half? take 5mg in morning and 5mg before bed? thats what I do and it helps so much. Try to take a hot hot bath. that will help some with the leg cramps and restlessness. It only helps for a little while but it does help. I hope you can get some relief even if its for a couple minutes. every little bit helps. My withdrawls arent too bad right now on the 10mg a day. Im not saying tapering is easy cuz god knows its not, your body may need some more time to adjust to the 10mg, hopefully u will wake up tomorrow and feel much better. Dig deep and try to ride it out. It will not last forever. Take care and god bless.

[shortyma336]

i cant control my taper i am at a methadone clinic i have to dose there every morning. i take the baths ive been thru pill detox taper b4 it was a breeze compared ive been feeling like this for 3 days now and have at least 3 more weeks of detox i cant imagine surviving this 3 more weeks. im just sitting here bawling my kids have some special needs that cause them to act up and have no sympothy for anyone not feeling well its constant fighting screaming and tantrums i feel like im dying and dealing with that at the same time i have no help i can not see doing this for weeks i just cant

[corbear]

I'm so sorry!!!!!!!!! I'm bawling my eyes out for you. Detox can be a horrible ordeal. Ive tried many times to cold turkey but could never get through it. I have no idea where my will power is coming from to even have tapered down. But somehow I managed to do so. My husband is very supportive, Im so lucky to have him. I know how difficult it is to take care of kids and family while detoxing but you have special needs children its got to be 100 times harder for you. Please try to dig deep and hang on. I take benadryl at night to help me sleep, it does help me but everyone is different. Try walking also if you can before bed, it may sound crazy when you feel like poop but it really does help with restless legs and cramping. I sincerely hope you start feeling better. Please dont cave in to temptation. I know its easier said than done, hell Ive caved so many times I cant even count anymore. Take care and god bless!!!!!!!!

[ImDONENoMore]

shorty - please get on the phone tomorrow and find a new Dr.!  You should not be suffering like this so please find another Dr. - one who will work with you and help you get off everything safely.

[shortyma336]

im going thru the only meth clinic in my area not sure there is another in the state.i know one other but its the corupt one crazy as that is they ignore dirty urine say its fine to use benzos on meth people shoot up in the parkinglot.

[ImDONENoMore]

Actually I meant another Dr. not another methadone clinic.  Someone you can talk to and explain your situation and if they're good, they'll help you find a way out.  Another meth clinic, as you already know, isn't going to help you.  You deserve better care than what you're getting.

[Bkitty]

It sounds like they are weaning you to fast,,I dont know much about methadone but Ive learned here that you should sloowwwlyy taper off that.  Methadone is a very hard drug to get off of. I hope your doctor will work with you. There will be some other members that will come along that have experience with methadone and they always give the best advice. (((Hugs)))~Bkitty

[atthebeach]

hun last week when you posted about the meth we hinted at stopping then. we knew the longer you stayed on the harder it would be to get off. with the half life for meth the w/d start roughly 72hrs after the last dose or after the drop. if they are going to drop you 1mg a week that is a least another 5 weeks. you could feel the w/d the whole time.
please get to your gp and ask him to prescribe you something to help with the w/d/ it is best if you just treat the w/d symptoms. the methadone already has its hooks in you, the longer you take it the deeper the hooks go.

[atthebeach]

my husband went cold turkey from 20mg after he tapered down from 100mg. he was on it for 10 years. he was very sick for many months, looked and felt like death, but he was on it a long time.
i think you should reconsider going tomorrow. please dont go just to end how you feel now, because it will only return tomorrow night and the next night. tapering below 5mg does nothing but prolong the agony.
i am praying for you
debbie

[shortyma336]

ive only done one drop and that was last friday and i started having bad withdarawls by sat night it only was second night. i cant imagine how much worse it would be if i didnt dose at all.my gp is a horrible little man hardly speaks english and didnt even still doesnt believe its possible to get arthritis in your jaw even after my speacialist tried to explain to him if thats any clue to how smart that one is. only thing i have is a great phsycologist who ive been with for 8 yrs who is the greatest man.i dont know how much he could do regarding this rite now im so desperate to get off this devil stuff im realy considering going back to pills at least there i know what im dealing with and can taper without dying.this is absolutley insain ive quit pills b4 ive never been in this kind of slow he77. why do they put people on this stuff i just want off now this stuff is death in a cup.

[atthebeach]

correct me if i am wrong you started at 20mg for a few days, then dropped to 15mg and then to 10mg??

[shortyma336]

i was ready to jump last week but then was told jumping from 10 was like jumping from = to 20 percs a day i never even took that many percs a day let alone ct from there. is it safe to jump from here ive been told its dangerous to jump from 10. i wish the doc would at least speak to me but im afraid all id hear is go back up and slow down what good would that do but i know thats what they always say.when i went down to 10 the nurse was laughing at me saying cant wait to see what you think of this in a few days see if you still want to detox come next week when you see the doc i thought she was just hatefull but i see now she knows exactly what they did to me yes i know i went there but i had no idea they knew exactly what they were doing to me and everyone there.cruel.this stuff should be illegal these people are evil.

[shortyma336]

i started at 20 for 1 day too much went to 10 2nd day addict in me wanted more went up to 15 after a week wanted more went to 20 again for 3 days realized wanted off back down to 15 for 6 days then down to 10 been at 10 since last friday i had no probs till 10 within day 2 wd hit me hard and only gotten worse every night since

[hellc@mst]

Hello. Can I just say that I spent nearly 12 years on the methadone @ 155mgs per day (for a 4 year heroin addiction) and NEVER felt as bad as you describe at ANY stage during my methadone detox (5mg reductions P/W). Go see a doctor. Something isnt right. Either you have an extremely low pain threshold; your body has an uber-metabolism or there is something else seriously awry with your current dosing regimen.

Maybe talk with your doctor about splitting your dose. Its no great hassle to see if you are metabolising your dose too quickly. You will have to do 2 blood tests. Once before dosing and once again 4 hours later. In theory, if you have a normal metabolism, there shouldnt be much difference between the 2 tests. A high metabolism or too high a dose should show up as a large discrepancy between the 2 measurements.



Anyways, all the best on your journey
Regards Jeremy. Recovered ex Addict.

[hellc@mst]

Its called a peak/trough test

[shortyma336]

i do have crazy high matabolism rate i eat two to three times the average woman and i stay under weight and i burn off everything including drugs faster than anyone around me. but im at a meth clinic that does not split doses you go early in the am or not at all period. i have always had a crazy high pain thresh hold natural child birth 3 times covered in tatts i actually always had a strange likeing of pain thats whats so scary why is this so bad why so harsh say im matabolising too fast and theres no chance of a split dose what then just jump and hope for the best or keep on with the detox and deal with the detox wait till im lower to jump. i have no idea how much worse it can get part of it is how long ive been this bad after 4 days and looking at weeks more it seems hopeless and endless and that makes it worse. unescapeable!

[Bkitty]

I feel just terrible for you now. I am so sorry. Its seems like you have been bumping around with the dosages and havent really been on a consistent dose in a few weeks. 20mg for 3 days,,10 for 6days,,you know what I mean. We use methadone in hospice for long term pain management. We also use it because its really cheap/inexpensive compared to other synthetic opiates. Are you paying a lot of money for this clinic? Im a nurse and if a nurse laughed in my face I prob would have kicked her. They are there to help you not kick you when you are down and struggling. Did they prescibe you methadone for treatment of you jaw arthritis or did they switch you to that because you were addicted to other opiates??( It is possibe to have arthritis in the jaw-Ive had a lot of bone spurs and pain too) Im not trying to bother you,,Im sorry. Find a new GP asap!  There are medictions that can be prescibed to help ease the withdrawal such as clonidine. Im sending you extra hugs (((hugs)) Im so sorry you feel bad. ~Bkitty

[hellc@mst]

Best to jump then. If youre in withdrawlals constantly anyways you may as well get the benefits. The way youre doing now isnt really helping and/or minimising the withdrawals. If I were you, I'd cut my losses an jump. If, as you say, you have a high metabolism and the clinic wont split your doses there's not much more any of us can do to help. Have you read the Thomas Recipe?

All the best. J

[shortyma336]

I was sent to the Meth clinic to get off pain pills And the nurse's are behind a bullet proof glass speaking through a steel slit.patients avoid her like the plague! She's had No problem upping my dose but when I wanted down she said I got No part in that And blew me off. I see the doc Wed were going to have a long No bull chat. I'm going to call my physiologists the only doc I've ever trusted in the am ask his guidance.hopefully I can decided on a route And sick with it. I can do this I have No choice the bad waves And hopelessness gets the best of me.I'm alive I have too much to do this for its gon be ugly but in going to come out one way or another clean And I will leave that place in my dust with a piece of my mind!

[Kresaera]

I am so sorry you are having such a sh!tty time. Are there any suboxone doctors in your area? If you are on meth for opiate addiction, the suboxone would help more and the withdrawl (withdrawal) isn't as bad.

Good luck to you, and I hope you can get out of this mess. We were all there once.

[gnarly_1]

HI......the problem your having is you droped to much at once you went from 15 to 10 thats 1/3 of your total dose I sent you some info if you follow it things will smooth out get on the calcium /magnesium/zinc vitimims in a few days it will really cut down on your withdrawal there 6 bucks at walmart and the best thing I have found to fight off withdrawals
you should start to stabilize here in a day or 2 and things should smooth out for you message me if you have any questions......Gnarly    

[atthebeach]

hey how are you feeling today? you are in my thoughts and prayers

[vicki595]

You know this sounds like a hot mess for you!  And we're so limited with our advice...but I'll tell you what:  If this were me, I'd stop the stupid methadone right now, find a doctor to prescribe some Hydrocodone 5 mg, and I'd continue to taper with that. It just makes sense to me. But, again, that's just me.

Think it over. Dump those fools! Feel better and good luck to you!

[shortyma336]

I got some good sleep and feel a lil better this morning still hurting but tolerable. I go start the rest of my taper tomorrow.i guess i leveled out some i must have because I felt pretty OK before I went to dose this morning!  Thank god if this taper doesn't work I might have to go back to the pills to taper but I am going to give this my all.thank you all for your support it helps so much! Ithink having a lil melt down actually helped ihaven't been able to cry in months even if i needed or wanted to and i think crying releases endorphins.I'm scarred but hopeful that since I'm going slower the rest of thr way 1mg at a time every 3 days it will work out better than 5mg jumps.

[shortyma336]

I got some good sleep and feel a lil better this morning still hurting but tolerable. I go start the rest of my taper tomorrow.i guess i leveled out some i must have because I felt pretty OK before I went to dose this morning!  Thank god if this taper doesn't work I might have to go back to the pills to taper but I am going to give this my all.thank you all for your support it helps so much! Ithink having a lil melt down actually helped ihaven't been able to cry in months even if i needed or wanted to and i think crying releases endorphins.I'm scarred but hopeful that since I'm going slower the rest of thr way 1mg at a time every 3 days it will work out better than 5mg jumps.

[atthebeach]

i am glad you are feeling better today. things always are better in the daylight. to help you along stay active,healthy eating,take supplements and drink protein shakes.
do you plan on dropping 1mg tomorrow, to 9mg? in the lower numbers they usually do drop by 1mg.
stay strong. you are breaking free.keep the faith,
sending hugs,prayers,hope,support,
debbie

[shortyma336]

thank you yes thank god compared i felt great today. even tonight the wd never hit me im a lil achey (achy) but im good! i hit a much needed NA meeting saw alot of faces ive known since i was 15 so like 16 years they are so important to my recovery i need those meetings and those people thank god for NA. and yes now that im finaly feeling better i am going down 1mg to 9 tomorrow morning lol i'll live one thing i learned from this last big drop is that even tho its horrible and seems eternal overwhelming it passes and once it does im so glad i did it and am a step closer to clean and that i can do this its all temporary and so worth it for my life back. thank you all for being here for me while i was in it and im sure ill be there again it is so hard to keep the reality that it is going to pass it seems so huge while your in it but looking back its just a blip but thats so hard to see from inside you need the outside world to reming you and give you that link to reality to keep you grounded. thanx yall god bless i can do this im so excited and hopefull. :)

[gnarly_1]

HI Your doing great im glad that only lasted a few days I came off 150mg and threw myself into withdrawals more then a few times rushing it this is a race one by the tortus not the hare slow and steady wins the race in the end game you will be free in good time if you rush it your in withdrawals if taper properly they can be managed good luck and God bless......Gnarly

[shan150]

Hi ive been on methadone for 8 yrs now.I went from 120 down to 80 mgs,5 a day stayed at that for 6 mnths then down to 60mgs never feeling a thing of  detox,then got arrested on a 12 yr old warrent and held in jail for 10 days w/out my dose and didnt feel even a sniffle till the 8th day.Got out on the 10th day, started back on methadone 30 mgs,went up to 40 for 3 yrs and now have tapered 2 a wk and i am at 16 mgs and still havent felt a thing.Of course I will eventually feel it I have detoxed off b4 but im just saying,I have been on it alot longer so I think you are overdramatizing a bit or have a very low pain tolerance

[Pat1956100]

I have found every detox different. Some people have it easier.  You shouldn't judge anyone else. It can be very brutal for some people.
Good luck with your taper.  We are here to encourage people.

[overopiates]

No he isn't over dramatizing. YOU ARE THE ODD ONE NOT HIM.U r lucky most r not and that is a huge leap a third of a dose.please dont come here and because have been lucky undermine what others r going through

[genelle2020]

Hi Jeremy I tried sending you a message, to no avail, I would really like to talk with you about your experience with getting off methadone, as I am in the same boat and I have some questions that I think you would be able to help me with. If you would message me, I would really appreciate it......G