insomnia w oxy withdrawls

[wantlifeback]

Does anyone know how long the insomnia lasts while weening off oxy?  I am on day 4 of no sleep and not sure if this is normal.  I was as high as 200 mg per day in 2006 but by December I was down to 80,  I am now weening off from 50-60 down to 20-30 per day. Now I got a bad head cold on top of everything else.  Do you have any suggestions on what to take to get some sleep?  I had a script for valium and it was working at first but now it does nothing.   I need help and support to get through this....thanks again for all the posts out there it kept me going reading them all this weekend.

[knickknack22]

I as well have no problems using a benzo to get a regular good night of sleep, it's just not a good idea to use benzos to mask reasons that may have caused you to begin opiates in the first place.

I'm in a hard spot right now because I have terrible insomnia unless I have a tranquilizer of some kind or medication along those lines to help get me to sleep, but my suboxone doctor insists that suboxone and tranquilizers are not to be used together.

[OhioVicoguy]

occasional use of a benzo, for reasons of sleep and antianxiety, is a very valuable tool while on withdrawl. I mean, as needed...like in the evening before bed.....it has helped me in the past....did one 10mg valium before ed, and then a 1/2 of a tab sometime around 3am....just enough to curb the anxiety, and inner restleness(shakes) allowing you to rest comfortably.

[wantlifeback]

Thanks for your response, i decided to go to the doctors to ask for clonidine...i hope he will give it to me.  I am so glad you stumbled on this forum also, it has been a life line for me...alot of wonderful caring people wanting the best for all.....I wish you all the best in your recovery.  

[knickknack22]

I'm 19 years old and have been clean for 1 month now and contintue to have extreme insomnia every single night. I sleep for MAYBE an hour a night, which has made the withdrawel process even more difficult for me because I'm now sleep deprived constantlty. I was heavily using oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, heroin, morphine tabs, fentanyl and codeine phosphate. OC was always my main drug of choice, but it got to a point that I was using going through $10,0000 worth of OC a month.  I've ibeen using suboxen to help the withdrawel symptons and it truly is a miracle pill for anyone who wants to get off opiates but you stil have to be strong no matter what. The brain of an opiate addict, even after using something like suboxen to get rid of physical symptons, still always keeps wanting to be in opiate land; especially if the addict already has mental illness' like depression, anxiety, panic attacks, ect. After I get clean I plan to use cognitive therapy (proven in the long run to be more effective then masking agents like xanax/valium) to nscure my anxiety/depression. Alot of addicts self medicate with opaites because they suffer from mental illness, some might not even be aware of them.I believe people use drugs to mask their poblems, but it only leads to more problems and leave you with even more complex problems because you now have an addiction to deal with as well. My point being is once you get yourself clean, it would be a good idea to be honest with yourself, and see a therapist or physcologist to work through the issues that cause addictions in the first place, in my opinon, this greatly reduces the chance of relapsing no matter what method you use. I would of loved to do it cold turkey without suboxen but i was up about 7 OC 80s a day + a few bags of heroin here and therand whatever else I could come across. When I was using, if I stopeed for more then 6 hours, my bones would feel like they were shattering and my skin was melting.

Sorry if I got tad but sidetracked from the insomnia issue but I just needed to vent a little, it's 9 am right now EST and I still have not got a wink of sleep since the nite before last.

I'm glad i stumbled upon this forum, it feels good to be able to vent a little, my family is very supportive and are always willing to talk about it with me, but I still feel uncomfortable talking about it with people who cant understand what Im saying or going through.

Thanks guys

[wantlifeback]

did you ween off or go cold turkey?  that is a huge dose to be taking...I am hoping the answer is weening as i can't imagine your pain of CT

thanks for the reply and suggestions it means alot

[wantlifeback]

Yes my son knows everything, that is another sob story..my ex was never around always something more important to do (drinking with someone) and my son has always been my best friend.  When he was 3 I got Rhumatoid Arthritis so bad that I was almost in a wheelchair but with the new drugs on the market I got mobile again...that was the reason for the first addiction to percs.  My son is still extremely close to me and not his father.  they have a full relationship as he puts it he got a father when we split (he was 8 yrs old) as he had to schedule time for him. He was actually having an affair with one of our friends and married her as soon as the ink was dry on the divorce papers.  My son is very supportive and I explained it better to him yesterday when he asked questions about me being on the computer so much.This will be my forth day on the lower dose and trust me i could not have done it without all the support on this site.  The good news is I actually got some sleep last night for the first time.  11 to 4 so that is a big step for me...I did not take the valeriam root as I took the tyl sinus for my cold and i was scared to mix.  I will be taking it today as i read the bottle and it says you can take during the day to calm the jitters so i will see if it helps.  I want a pill right now but i am going to wait to the last minute and see if i can do it.  I ended up doing 30 yesterday so 20 is the goal today.   wish me luck....thanks for all your support it is priceless....

[Rayy]

valeriam root is in green tea but they have a really good natural sleep aid with valriuam root, melatonin, gaba, and theanine, called knockout it works for me sometimes but like i said before im really screwed up

[Rayy]

hi how ya doin. i was taking 300 mgs of OC 3 times a day for 3 years. been clean for 40 omewhat days and still have the worst sleeping habits i sleep maybe twice a week whne i get reallly really tired. if that helps.or hurts.sorry

Rayray

[No name22]

Seems like you're b/f is seriously unstable and I know you don't want to do anything to push him over the edge, but you most defianlty don't need someone like that in you're life no one does..Do you think he may do it for attention? Or is just a miserable fu** and you know mysery loves company... Thats to bad he's a pri** I personally think you're doing great with the tapper how long have you been on 20 mg's for and can you get clonidine, because when you lower you're dose that will help so you don't notice it as much

does your son know?

[wantlifeback]

yes my son does live with us f/t, he is 13 and he was a big sore spot between b/f and I , 4 weeks ago I had to leave work immediately as he was so bad i was worried he would do something to him. I got home to find b/f on phone to crisis line and they told me they were trying to get our address to call 911 on him. I asked him yesterday to go out for juice and kleenex for me as my nose was raw but he said when he was going out he would pick it up..i waited an hour and just went myself.  I can't even tell him how selfish he is or he will just breakdown again and that is the last thing i need. believe it or not my ex husband is more supportive.  I am going to do what you suggested and just concentrate on my recovery and just ignore him.  i just asked him to go to walmart for me but again the answer was no... so i just got back,  I got the Valerium Root to see if i can sleep, and some tyl sinus for my sinus cold.  I can't decide whats worse the cold or the withdrawals.... but it is 5:12 pm and i have only done 20 mg today and by now i would have had 60  so that is great....it's alot to do with everyones support on the forum.. yes my family is aware of everything including my addiction and they just don't know what to say since they have not been through it before.  keep the kind words coming and i will get through this...i know i will..i have a 13 yr old counting on it.

[No name22]

Wow that sux! So it's pretty much you taking care of you and him, you poor thing and then you're son does he live with you f/t?

You need to take care of you first and just screw him and don't go to him for support if he's not giving it, have you ever gone to meetings or told friends or fam?

After you fix you, you can worry about you're realationship and the house right now would be the worste time to sell especially since you're an addict.

[wantlifeback]

Do you mean my bf?  he just takes Celexa to help his anxiety problems...he is supposed to be in councelling but not sure if he is keep that up.  his family is following up on him now as they are on their last nerve with his actions also.  I actually just told him 4 wks ago I wanted to be just friends and we own a house together.. we are both going to stay here but live in seperate bedrooms.. This is just one of my reasons for the just friendship thing as he was like this b4 also.  

[wantlifeback]

I am already on zoloft (anti -depressant) from my last addiction with percs so i am not sure if i will be able to take Melatonin...I will check into this one if the Valerium Root doesn't work.  thanks for your support, it means a great deal.

[No name22]

Is he using? Is he getting profesinal help?

Amanda

[FLaddict]

When I first quit i took a sleep blend from GNC that had valerian, hops, skullcap, passion flower, dandelion, chamomile, and I also took sublingual Melatonin.. I slept great.. with the melatonin if you wake up in the middle of the night I would just pop another under my tongue and it would help me go back to sleep

[wantlifeback]

Thanks, i will check with my pharm on that also.

[wantlifeback]

You are so great, and no he is not....just doesn't know how to think of anyone else but himself.  He does have a anxiety problem though so if i even say something that hurts is feelings he crys and wants to commit suicide.....that just happened again 4 wks ago....I would call my Dad b4 i can ask him to do anything....he is afraid of crowds which means no going to stores.....and yes you are probably thinking what am i doing with him...well i ask myself that all the time...just added stress and makes coming off the oxy 1000 times harder under these living conditions.  I have a 13 yr son and I keep telling myself I have to do this for him as well as me.  He wants his old mom back and so do I.

[FLaddict]

I would get some Melatonin too... you can take them together...

[No name22]

Anytime, I'm glad you're going to get that and I hope it helps....B/F's sometimes SUC*

Is he on oc's aswell?

[wantlifeback]

Just called the pharm and when I told her I have not slept in 4 days she suggested the Valerium Root also.  She said it is something I can take so I am off to the store to get some now.  I am not as lucky as most on this site my boyfriend thinks only of himself.......
thanks for your encouragement...it means a lot.

[No name22]

Yes you can get addicted if taking it long enough I was only on .5 mg's 3x's a day of clonipin and got addicted...Good luck tho..

[wantlifeback]

Thanks, i will check if i can take that, i have to check all things because of my RA meds.  I did ask the pharmacist if i could take OTC sleep aids and she said that if valium doesn't work she thinks they won't.  The valium is only 5mg and that is what i said to doc but he felt it was such a low dose I wouldn't get addicted.   I do know that I don't want anymore as I don't want to prolong this feeling I am going through now.  I will call the pharmacist now to see if I can take this.  thanks so much for your reply...

[No name22]

Valerium root it's a natural sleep aid...I would try that before you try anything that could become dependent...

Becarful valium is addicting to...