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[dreamin]

Good Morning everyone.  One more day down.  it's overwhelming, I hope I can do this, I can do it for today I know.  How is everyone and what day are you on?

[Chezz]

Good morning Dreamin,

I am glad to see that you are upbeat about today and staying clean and happy.

Well it is day 2 for me. I woke up and felt better than I ever did taking the meds. This is a 1st for me since on day 2 I should be having one of my worst days from past experience.
I know this is directly corrolated to the L-Tyrosine. That is the main thing I have been taking. Along with Zinc, Mang. mix, Centrum, and tazesazpam (SP).
Personally on a scale of 1-10 this w/d so far has been a 4. So I feel pretty good today.

Now the pain is on a different page though. It has come on pretty strong. 6out of 10. So that sucks. I am taking IBP 800.

I also had a long discussion with my doc yesterday. He feels strongly about treating my pain and getting me to see someone who can fix it. The last nuerosurgeon I went to gave me some meds, a toridal shot, and a paper and half hour discussion on eating more meat ect. Like the atkins diet, he even had a handout. Needless to say I was blown away.
That is why I am where I am now. I am tired of taking the meds, since I do abuse them sometimes. But I also need to see a doctor who can take care of the problem or get me to see people who care to help.
I told my doc I need a long term plan that will keep me from getting these episodes. Then I won't have to deal with the pain med situation at all.
Chezz

[dreamin]

Happy I am not,,clean I am..happy will come back later I hope.  I hope happy comes back later...do you think it does?

[Jeff31]

Yes, it does, and then some. Just the feeling of relief that you dont have to rely on meds anymore will lift a great burden off of your shoulders. You will gain the confidence back, knowing that you have beaten one of the worst addictions out there. Good luck and take care of yourself.
Jeff

[Chezz]

Sorry for not replying earlier. I have been having a tough day on day 2. The w/d aren't bad at all yet. I am pretty surprised and feel lucky about that.

But the mental thing with really needing the meds for pain, or dependency.

The pain today has been IMMENSE. The pain going down my leg kills me. Sometimes I wish they could just take that @!#$% up nerve out of my leg. Then I would be fine!! lol

I am going to stick with it for another day and see where I am at.

Happiness does come back, your whole life comes back. You just need to make the path and follow it. This addiction is about us/you and nobody else. If you want to live a better life and move on, dump the things in life that are keeping you down.
I have heard of people having to change towns that they livc in so they don't have the same access to their usual supply.

It is mind over matter. When you decide that you are worth more and have more to offer then spending your days, nights, every minute of you day doing these drugs, getting more, and then veging out all day high doesn't work for long.

I can't think right now. Day 2 is hard
Chezz

[Josh1]

I am a methadone user of 7 months because of Oxycontin addiction. Because of insurance change, I can no longer afford to see my Doc which prescribes my methadone. I really have no desire to continue to use the methadone, but realize I am addicted to it. He wants me to taper down from 20 mg. a day, but didn't seem to keen on it when I told him I was ready. He wants to slowly...taper me down but I can't afford to pay 180 dollars every 2 weeks to keep coming back. Does anyone know anything about coming off Methadone cold turkey, or tapering of a short period of time( 2 weeks max). Today was day one of only 10 mg. a day and obvious withdrawal symptoms began. I took some Klonopin and it really helped out. I have heard about some recipe that helps with symptoms. Can anyone give it to me. I have searched and searched through out this forum and cant find it. Thanks Everyone
Josh

[Chezz]

This has been copied and pasted  more times than I could imagine.




I copied this from another post - I didn't write this, I am not sure who did



Supplies you'll need first:

As many Valium, Xanax, Librium or Klonopin that you can get your hands on.
--- first day off the lorcet, use enough Valium or whatever, to, if possible, sleep through most of the first couple days. Then start decreasing the dose until you're down to nothing in about 5 or 6 days. You'll have to do the math. The Valium or one of its sister drugs will help tremendously with the anxiety and, somewhat, with the body aches.

Around-the-clock access to either hot baths or a Jacuzzi.

--speaking of those goddamn mostly thigh cramps that seem to love to show up in the middle of the night, have that hot bath or Jacuzzi at the ready. Don't hesitate to spend the majority of the week in that hot water if it's what it takes to get you through it. You may be wrinkled, but you'll have your sanity. Don't underestimate what the hot baths can do to relieve the withdrawal discomfort. They really work. Heating pads between the thighs can help with those cramps, too, but not as much as the hot baths.

Brand-name-only Imodium (immodium) (over the counter at the supermarket)

-- if you're a normal hydro addict, you'll be getting the runs by no later than the second or third day off the lorcet. In my experience, it's an especially unpleasant variety. At the first impulse, take two or three and respond to returning urges with two tabs. It's important that you do it immediately.

L-Tyrosine (qty 50 of the 500mg caps) - an amino acid available at the health food store.

-- thanks spook for this info: chronic use of narcotics depletes the brain of several critical neurotransmitters responsible for well-being and mental performance and attitude.
Plus:
Bottle of 100 mg B6 caps

-- Spook says every other day, but my experience detoxing with this stuff says take 4000 (four thousand) mg. (8x500mg caps of L-Tyrosine) with two 100mg B6 caps every day for your "detox week" to provide your brain with the raw material it needs to replenish its stores of these neurotransmitters. Many feel the difference on the very first dose. ***Take it on an empty stomach, either first thing in the morning or at bed time. You can continue this regimen after the first week if it continues to make you feel good. I continue to use it every other day with very few exceptions.
Multi-vitamins (most junkies don't eat too well, so this one's just for good sense)

Anyway, if you want to do it yourself and have a chance of being free of all narcotics instead of getting hooked on methadone, one of the hardest to get off of, by the way, you might try my formula. (It's "battle-tested" and works!)
2ND. one,
you will not come right until you replace all the zinc/mag you have leached out of your body over the past few years - this is what 'hanging out' really is - it's your body craving zinc/mag (zinc stops cravings/magnesium stops depression). If you don't do this it will take up to 2 years to return to normal as the only other source your body has for zinc/mag is food and then it is in such tiny amounts it takes years to build up again. If you get a blood test done you will find your levels of both are way down on what they should be.


A typical tablet contains somthing like this:

Zinc amino acid chelate 75mg
Magnesium amino acis chelate 37.5mg
Vitamin B6 10mg
Manganese amino acid chelate 10mg
Viatmin A (1000I.U.) 300mcg

Grading your habit on a scale of 1-10 (1 being occasional use and 10 being long term methadone at 100 plus mg's a day) you should take the following amount for a period of one month then slowly reduce to a daily amount of 2-3 per day.

Habit scale/size - Number of tablets per day for a month

10 10
9 9
8 8
7 7
6 6
5 5
4 4
3 3
2 3
1 2
0 2

You will notice that I recommend you never go below 2 per day. This is because zinc/mag depletion was your original problem so you should give yourself an ongoing supplement to make sure it does not happen again. I now take 2-3 per day to maintain my health. I have had no failures with this treatment (everyone OK after less than a month) and have treated addictions (including my own) as varied as methadone and cigarettes. The cigarrete smoker reduced from 2 packs per day to just 5 cigarettes per day in a week without any discomfort. If you suffer any kind of 'hang out' just increase the zinc/mag dosage and give it a liitle longer to take effect (a week or so). Don't beleive all the bullshit about drug addiction you have heard - it's all **** - this is the real deal. The drugs themselves are not actually addictive but they do leach all the zinc/mag out of your body by increasing the metabolism of them creating a shortage that gets worse the longer you use unless you replace them while you are using in which case you don't hang out when you stop - you just come straight - this is true beleive me I have tried it as have a few other people I know and none of us sufferred any hang out when we stopped

[Sis1]

Damn,
Not too happy. I'm gonna post here, cause well, my mom's drunk & I have no one to talk to. I just took 3 Ultrams after 7 days clean...no opiates what so ever. Got a phone call from my brother tonight, who is 27, he had that sound in his voice, you know the sound that something has gone terribly wrong. I guess my dad had called him crying on his answering machine (my dad never crys) and after doing some investigating...we found out my grandmother has a month or more to live. I'm on Paxil and Klonopin and they actually seem to be working, but it's only been 8 days, so it could be all in my mind. I haven't taken any Klonopin since yesterday cause they drain me of energy.

Anyway, I've been thinking, I don't know what I've been thinking. But I just screwed up and took 3 Ultrams. My cousin informed me that my grandmother wanted me to come over sometime this week so she could give me her diamond ring that she wears....how hard is that going to be? My cousin told me to try to keep it together. My grandmother is in her right mind, so this must be extremely terrible to deal with. Just, I don't know, Pray for her? Pray that there is a heaven and she goes there...? I love her and I wish I could tell her. Imagine what a terrible thing that would have to be to deal with....she's a wonderful person and it seems like bad things happen to the best of people. Please pray for the best. -Sis

[dreamin]

I just read your replies to my question about happiness and I realized that I sounded very rambly, but you guys responded ..thanks!!

Chezz -  this is day 3 for you, how are you doing? W/D always makes the days go sooooo slow.  I am pulling for you...

Jeff  - I have found that this forum is a great place to open up and talk. as you start the process, know that you are not alone....

sheila

[Witchywoman]

The recipe that someone kindly reposted was written by Thomas, who used to post here a lot about a year ago.  I think he posts from time to time still. I miss him!

But I just wanted to give credit where credit is due.

thanks and I hope everyone is doing well.

love,
WW

[Chezz]

Thanks for asking dreaming.
I am doing relatively well considering the things I went through on all of my other self induced detoxes.(I just got tired of taking the meds, seeing docs who didn't really care to help me, except by giving me directions to the pharmacy.


Mind over matter. IF you keep a possitive attitude and remember how nice it will be to be free again, It makes it easier.

I am still riding the mental roller coaster though.

Just a couple more days.
Chezz

[peaz]

Hi--I wanted to write more before, but I had to go to work, so I will try to finish now.
   I'm no lawyer, but I can't help but think that if you weren't stopped right outside the pharmacy and the mistake was discovered RIGHT THEN, that you could be touched legally.  So what if they were short after only one fill?  How many people were behind the counter that day that could have stolen them?  See what I'm getting at?  What's hard for me to believe is that it's mandatory (in MN) for the pharmacist to double-count any scheduled drug, so even if the tech screwed up--how did the RPH miss it??!!!  But back to your question, I still think it's your word against theirs, and they CAN'T PROVE that the missing 30 was EVER in your vial.  Maybe someone else has a different interpretation or advice for you........

[peaz]

P.S.--Are these thirty pills worth the mental anguish that you may have regarding this predicament?  Are you prepared to do your business elsewhere? What is your GUT telling you to do?

[Chezz]

Personally I don't think this was an accident. They want to see if you will return them or not. Especially if you have been on them for awhile or are getting alot prescribed.

For both to miss something like that at the pharmacy is not impossible. But pretty improbable.

It might be a test, or a set-up.
I personally wouldn't risk it. Give em' back and you will feel a whole lot better.

Just my humble opinion.
Chezz

What a score though. I am sure you were pretty happy to see that many.
Personally I have never counted my meds. I wonder if they ever shorted me?@@?

[tce37]

hi all,
i need help please, the story is this,my doctor gave me a
prescription of 30  20mg oxycontin went to the pharmacy and
got it filled when i got home counted them there were 60 of them
the pharmacy called the next day saying they gave me 30 extra pills and to bring them back.i thought they cant resell them
and that if they make a mistake and give you too many you can
keep them since they messed up? if anyone knows what the deal
is please write back thanks   tce37

[peaz]

First, you're right--the pharmacy, because of health and safety laws, cannot take back pills once they've left the store, as they can no longer vouch for their stability.  If it was an unopened vial of, say, insulin, w/ the tamper-proof seal still on, I've seen them take it back.
Secondly, you can do two things: Tell the pharmacy they are sadly mistaken--you have counted them twice and there are, indeed, 30 pills, and it becomes you word against the technician who counted them (and logged it on the  CII inventory card) and the pharmacist's who checked it before it was dispensed.  In that case, you may want to re-think getting future scripts filled there, as they might treat you "poorly"....(AND they will count, count, and RECOUNT your pills from now on!!!!)
  Or, you can 'fess up but since they can't take the pills back, what's the point?  They're just pissed because they're inventory's so screwed up and the DEA will be on their ass...   The question of ethics is up to you--how can you best sleep at night w/ no guilt?
    Peaz

[tce37]

Hey Peaz,

    Thanks for your response, although what is the legal aspect of this, can I be in anyway legally responsible for this, such as arrested or charged in any way? I was told that my script was the only one filled that day for 20 mg. oxycontin, and that at the end of the day they were 30 in the hole and I should bring them back, I told them that I had not even looked at the script yet and that if indeed they were 30 over that I would return them. Once again Thank You!!! This goes out to everybody who might know the legal answer to this question, please respond.

                                     Thanks TCE37

[Chuck99]

Hey everyone. I need some advice , hopefully you can help me . Ive been sober for almost a month now . Withdrawal from alcohol was hell. It lasted about a week . The anxiety that came with it went on for about another week. On the 3rd week , I was feeling pretty "normal" , I wasnt really gettin anxiety attacks or anything. Now , it almost a month , and this week Ive been feeling anxiety again ( nervousness , cant concentrate ect.) and I cant stop thinking about it. The more I think about the way I'm feeling , the worse it gets . Is this normal ? I felt pretty damn good on the 3rd week sober , now the anxiety is back ? I thought it was only gonna last a day or 2 , but its been 5 or 6 days now . I DO NOT want to go on any medications like Zoloft or anything because I have read your stories about taking these kind of meds . Does anyone have any advice ? Also , I keep thinking that Id rather kill myself than feel this way for the rest of my life , because right now I feel like this is never going to go away. I would honeslty rather end my life than use medications to control the way I feel . Any advice would be helpfull

[Chezz]

Chuck,

You have already made it. You've got 3 weeks clean. I know it is a ***** keeping it that way. But you are sober today. That is what matters.

You asked - The more I think about the way I'm feeling , the worse it gets . Is this normal ?

Personally this happens to me while I'm using or clean. The more I think about how bad I feel, the less I do, eat, ect. and the worse it makes me feel.
The more upbeat I am, of course is easier.

If you really want to move on, you are going to have to deal with these anxieties with medication for a little while possibly.
If you don't want to do that. Then you are going to have to deal with it for a little while.

You body has been on a rollercoaster for so long, it is going to take a little time to get back to "normal"

Someone else on here is sure to have better info.
Keep it up Chuck, its mind over matter. You can do it, and already have by being sober this long. I hope you continue to be sober.
Chezz

[Chuck99]

Thanks for the help. I went out and bought some Kava Kava today . I have been reading about it on the internet , and supposedly its a really good alternative to pharmies that are used for anxiety/depression. I refuse to use anything that is highly addictive . After all , that is what got me here in the first place(addiction) . Hopefully the Kava Kava works , Ive been feeling good since I took it earlier :)

[GOD]

Good luck w/ the KavaKava-- It saved my ass while detoxing. I took WAY more than the prescribed dose, but it helped much more in 4X the reccomended dose. Only thing is that it made the runs a little worse! Just eat some extra immodium, and it all balances out!

Jess

[pon]

where are you...are you OK?  We're here, come on in...

[Chuck99]

Are you saying that I HAVE to take medication to get rid of this anxiety ?BTW , besides drinking , I also quit smoking weed (smoked weed on a regular basis for 4-5 years) when I quit drinking . So I havent drank or smoked weed (well i did smoke twice this past month) in about about a month really. I REALLY DONT want to take medications . If I got addicted to the meds , wouldnt I go through withdrawl and get all the anxiety again once I stopped taking them ? I am trying to keep my body free of drugs , since that is the only way I believe my mind will ever be back to "normal" .Will this anxiety go away with time ,and if so , usually how much time ?Or will it get worseif I dont take meds? Advice would be very much appreciated here .

[Paige]

I am hooked on DARVON, about 15 to 20 a day and my doctor / pharmacices / all of them / just seems to catch on to this.  My supply was just abrubtly cut off and I only have 5 DARVON left. This was going to be my last script of 60 I was going to taper off this time.

Would anyone know what kind of withdrawal I will go thrugh?

I have a lot of family obligations this week that I can not miss. No one in my family knows about this last relapes, and I have four kids to take care of.  What am I going to do.   I hear DARVON is a mild drug.  I dont know how I got so hook on it.  Can anyway give me some advice.


PAIGE

[pon]

Hey...I am NOT mad at you for falling off....I would never be mad at you for that...I've walked the mile in the same shoes as you and I know how hard it is.  I am doing OK this time...12 days today, but I've fallen MANY times before, and I may fall again tomorrow.  Please understand that I am not mad at you and wouldn't ever be...just care about you and want you to be OK.

I know how tough this is...I'm doing it too...it is hard Allisa, very hard....but we can make it...you can make it...it is a tough fight but you CAN win.  Please take care of yourself and PLEASE know that evryone here is the same in our addiction...nobody has the right to be mad at someone for something they have done too...or may do tomorrow.  We are in this together, all of us.

Come here for strength, come here for compassion, come here for understanding...but don't come here expecting people to be mad at you for slipping, cause I don't think you're going to find it from this bunch of people.

Hope that you are feeling better...keep posting...we're here...maybe the meds making you sick is worse than the w/ds?  I don't know...hang in there, there are people here who care about you...YOU need to care about you too.

prayers tonight for you kiddo...I promise I will be thinking of you...and I am NOT mad at you....NO WAY!

[Chezz]

Pon,

Good Job on Day 13. I figured you wouldn't get this till monday. I am so happy for you that you made it this far and are keeping positive throughout this.
I know you are still having days, minutes, ect. that are tough. Just remind yourself how really lucky you are to be clean. You earned it.
Keep us in your thoughts if you do "move-on". I just wanna kick this with you. You have helped so much.
Keep posting...especially when it gets hard.
I had to force myself into my office to write. It has just been so tough.
Chezzz

[pon]

heading off to the office...but I wanted to say thanks and good morning to you...I'll write you more later...I'll be thinking of you today.

pon