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open fourm. what is our goal here.
by hippy, Nov 16, 2002 12:00AM
my own personal experence here at this fourm has been a great help to me ever since i stumbled acrossed it back in feb /02
whhile i have been here i learned how to deal with the probleem
of getting off a 10 to 20 a day vike habit.
the good folk's here welcomed me ,and pointed me in the direction of the vitamine receipe here at the fourm known
as thomas's receipe. i started taking it right away and it helped
greatly in the area s of depression during withdrawls and lack of energy due to withdrawls.
along with the supportof the people here at the fourm i was able
to kick cold turkey. i still read the post everyday , and i try to reach out and answer any questions that i can.
there are other people here who have to take meds for severe pain issues. the people here at the fourm in this situation
are a great help to anyone dealing with such issues.
i have been around addicts that are clean an some that use,
and they all do there best to get along, we are a sensitive
lot. one of the hardest things for us to do is to ask for help,
amit when we are wrong, ask for direction. and sy wer are sorry.
these are secondary issues, the primary issues are geting off the drugsand dealing with pain and taking meds responsably for
real pain issues.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whhile i have been here i learned how to deal with the probleem
of getting off a 10 to 20 a day vike habit.
the good folk's here welcomed me ,and pointed me in the direction of the vitamine receipe here at the fourm known
as thomas's receipe. i started taking it right away and it helped
greatly in the area s of depression during withdrawls and lack of energy due to withdrawls.
along with the supportof the people here at the fourm i was able
to kick cold turkey. i still read the post everyday , and i try to reach out and answer any questions that i can.
there are other people here who have to take meds for severe pain issues. the people here at the fourm in this situation
are a great help to anyone dealing with such issues.
i have been around addicts that are clean an some that use,
and they all do there best to get along, we are a sensitive
lot. one of the hardest things for us to do is to ask for help,
amit when we are wrong, ask for direction. and sy wer are sorry.
these are secondary issues, the primary issues are geting off the drugsand dealing with pain and taking meds responsably for
real pain issues.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mrs. Rat,
I don't like calling you that because it seems so negative and you are a good human and don't deserve that title.
No, I did not give my son for adoption. The drug addict father abducted him from the daycare after I left him after he told me he killed someone.
I told the police, how useless they were. Since he was the birth father and went out of state they refused to track him down. I never allowed drugs at that time. I was really sraight as an arrow. I did not even drink caffiene even though I loved iced tea. I was an athletic health nut so to speak.
The ex-boyfriend, was straight until one year after residing with me. He started on weed and went on from there but only at his buddies as I told him never to bring it to the house. He was in the LSD days and stayed away for three days after I had my son then not quite 1 and 1/2 years old. He came home in a panic and told me he thought he killed someone. I said ,you either did or did'nt. No details but I called crime stoppers. They even came out here over 10 years later to ask questions. I had left him shortly thereafter he told me that with my son. Two months later, boom, I went to pick him up after work from daycare and they said OH, your husband came by and picked him up.
I haven't seen him since. I told the police. What useless trash they were. I have spoken with him about eight months ago, he contacted me at 22 years of age. He said he would call back and give me his cell phone when he got it. Nothing. I offered him my land in Florida. I saved it for him, on a lake. I offered him to come here and have my lawn service and plant nursery half/half and share my house and offered to put him through college. He was too confused and overwhelmed. I don't want to write a book so it's not all in complete order, but no, it was a kidnapping.
Thank you for asking. If you have any suggestions I am open to your comments anytime. If not on the forum. I will get a HOTMAIL Address to discuss it considering the things here lately.
I would like to hear your story too, I am not clean now, so don't think I one of those holier than thous. Take care, you are not a rat, maybe a cat! I love cats they are so intelligent and love their babies. I have 10 cats, four kittens, 1 dog.
Take care and and God Bless you.
Chatahan.......wildcat
Hippee,
This the the most intelligent post I read today, thank you. You are so correct. We need to support each other in sobriety and not bicker especially these petty things. I admit my share yesterday. Remember once I said something to you, I cannot even remember now but I apolgized the next day and posted to you sensibly and you returned a pleasant post. We should try to get over these little glitches I call them and move forward.
Yes, I drank two days ago after having a seizure. My mistake. But yesterday I did not, but had w/d's of course. You know the viscious cycle, you've been there. I am so depressed today I don't even feel like going to church. I know that's the devil wispering with all this negativity here lately.
I am glad to hear of your soon to be adoption. You are so lucky to be sober and have a good wife to help you. I wish I could find my son. I looked his name up the other day on the net from where he last told me the last state he resided in. I wanted to call, but there were several listings as the father changed his last name to a really common one. His first name is not too common though. I may try calling,
Hippee,
Sorry but my cat jumped on the keyboard and blammo, a post.
I was almost finished anyhow. I was just saying I may try calling him. I pondered it all week. and that is probably one of my triggers. I have to get my butt to meetings. They helped in the past, so I should go with what worked before.
Thanks for your inspirational message on what we really should be discussing on this board.
I should go now and hopefully others will post positive and drop all that entire last thread, including the one a little ways down. Take care and God Bless.
Chatahan........wildcat
I'm on day 5 here today and hanging in there. I have times where my brain is clear and those are the times I will be using to talk with others.
MrsRat
said we were sory about it and moved on. i know we all
need ech other help. you never know when you will need that
person to talk with,.
one addict helping another is without paralel, sorry for the
mis spelling.
i hope everyone is doing and feeling well, pax and love.
hippy/ michael
My first thought after reading your post, even in this brain fog of day 5, tells me your ex sounds like a few of my ex's with the 'I killed someone' bull**** talk. They do that to scare you into staying with them. I, like you, didn't fall for it and left.
I also have an ex who has my youngest son. He will be 13 in a few months. Just got my daughter back after she raised enough hell her dad was tired of her and she had found me by going thru her grandma's addy book when she wasn't around. She just turned 16. I also had custody of both of them, but after a divorce had no choice but to let them go to their dads. I had no job to take care of them and no where to live. Was recovering from a head on car crash too.
Oh how I wish I could talk to your son. He's young yet, please give him more time to come to you dear lady. It sometimes takes till our kids have children of their own, before they see things as we, their parents, see them. Then they understand and do come back to us.
My birth mother when I found her and to this day, is an alcoholic. I never let that keep me from loving her. She gave me this beautiful life that I'm trying to get back. The Crohn's Disease comes from her bloodline, not my birthfather's. I still have to love her as she is. I can only pray that one day she will get to the point where she doesn't need to cover the pain of her lost kids any longer with the alcohol.
To find your son right now is up to you. Only you know for sure how he will react to you if you are not yet sober. You may or may not want to wait until you are sober before you try for contact again. We all are different in how we view others and what personal traits of theirs we may or may not agree with.
I will happily email you if you get a hotmail addy or any of the tons of free types of webmail there is available today. I do know that hotmail has not had the best of security in the past. You may wanna try another free service for email. I'd hate to see your email get read by an employee sitting in an office somewhere, just cause he's bored and he can.
MrsRat or BB, if you prefer to call me that :)
Lisabet,
You were not rambling at all. It must be tough to hold a secret. That has to be just as hard in my opinion. You are waiting for the axe to fall so to speak. I will be praying hard for you to able to find the right time in God's will to let your family know the truth. Then you will have full support.
That's my problem, lack of support. Always winging it on my own. With all the responsibilities of life we need support, I don't mean financial, but emotional. Financial doesn't hurt either!!!! LOL..... JUST KIDDING THERE. You know I am listening to the songs I referred to and came back and saw your response. I am one of those that always survived and believed in isolation. I am really isolated here on Guam, I'll tell you that. LOL. Maybe only the arctic would be more isolated, but I despise cold weather!!!!!
Right now I hear, I saw you on the radar scope, your eye was more than what I expected. We are in double jeapardy, double jeapardy.
I need to change the song some, because it was referring to Pakas double eyewall. I will rewrite it for Chatahan and Halong five days later.
Off the wall, sorry, first time I listened to music in a while due to depression.
OKAY, THIS IS FOR YOU, .....WE ARE BACK ON THE ROAD AGAIN , WITH OUR EYE TO THE SKY, THE DRYLINE IS FIRING HIGH, SHE IS ON THE GROUND...... AND SO ON............ Sorry trying to get myself in a better mood. The addiction songs and resulting consequences are a little more intense and serious.
You now I have two tornado songs that would have been better suited for Twister. But I never sent them. Talk about babbling, I really am showing my true love,,,,,the wind......
I need to email you, I saw it twice, can you post it again, I would like to share more. We have so much that can be done if we put more than one mind together. Talking here as you've seen lately is wierd at best.
Take care and God Bless.
Chatahan.........wildcat
My e-mail address is ***@****. I would be glad to hear from your anytime.
Love and good-nite, Lisabet
MrsRat,
Thank you for your comments and suggestions. It is very comlicated like I said and sobiety is not my real issue here as I've tossed a full unopened just obtained bottle more than once.
Right now I am in full confusion. It may be the low grade Klonopin for my seizures, or the fact I had a seizure a couple of days a go. Plus I stopped the Ultram and need to run if you know what I mean? I think I just want to rest. I skipped Church and need to do other things. I don't know why I am still on here. I don't feel good. I need to go. Sorry, but thank you for your concern. Take care and God Bless,
Chatahan.......wildcat
You did make me laugh, yes, a Crohnie knows what 'going' a lot means. LOL. I'm on a first name basis with my toilet, have been for most of my life.
Due to time zones I'm hours ahead of you, so I have hours yet before I will sleep I'm afraid, even with all the drugs I have to knock me out. They don't work real good during the withdrawal time I am finding out. Not being able to get warm isn't helping me any either. The cold makes me flare :(
I am unable to go to church for some time in the future. If you are like me, can you call your Pastor on the phone and talk with him ? That's what I have been doing with mine. We pray over the phone when I need it. I hope that's an option open to you.
Hope tomorrow when you are up and posting, it finds you feeling better than you did today. Heh, hope that for me too.
MrsRat
mrsrat,
It's only 6:40 pm here. You must go to sleep really early. I can go anytime. All I have to do is lay down and boom, asleep. That's except during withdrawal. I have to get up early tomorrow as I have two of my cats to be spayed. Or I will have fifteen soon.
I do not discus my really personal life with anyone, so don't bother asking please. The church thing. Gotta go, I don't feel well and the tape player is screwing up. TAKE CARE.
Chatahan........wildcat
We have 'Arizona' time here. We never change our clocks, so half the year we are Pacific time, the other half we are Mountain. Once I was here a couple of years I pretty much got the hang of it.
By your time that you said, it sounds like you aren't in the states, yet I thought you said you were in Florida (OHHHH, how I miss it).
Forget where you posted it at, but I also don't discuss religion on the net. That's something my hubby enjoys, but I don't. I am sad I am gonna miss communion tomorrow though. *sigh*
Gonna go now for awhile. My daughter brought me home a banana and I am gonna try to force myself to eat it. Read y'all in here say it's good for the leg shakes and I get them when I lay down. I haven't eaten since monday, yes, it's saturday, I've been staying on a liquid diet because of my Crohn's. Hopefully eating it won't cause me pain and it will help the legs.
MrsRat
Suzie
Suzie,
Yah, your as good as anyone to blow off some steam. I just went out for a peaceful dinner at Wendy's. As I was coming out, This girl said. "Hey, remember me from mental health?" She was all smiles and happy. The guy with her just sat and looked stunned.
I said yah, "aren't you the one that pushed me on the floor? She said yes. I said, "yeh, I have had a permanent lower back broblem ever since." She just giggled. I said, "You know, if I wasn't on 12 mg's of Klonopin at that time I would have thrown you through the wall." She giggled again. I said,"Really you are lucky, I was on 12 mg's of Klonopin. DO you know what that means?' She just looked starry eyed, I said, "I have had a f#$%d up lower back ever since. If I was not on 12 mg's, I would have probably killed you then."
She just giggled and didn't even seem to be coherent of the consequence of her action. I told her bluntly, "Don't ever introduce me to yourself again in the future or I may klll you and maybe anyone with you".
I know there I made a threat, but she broke confidentiality as well as I still could sue her for injuring me. I said,"If you don't believe me, I have a machete right here waiting for you." my dog was waiting too!!! Good Bart!!! She had nothing more to say and and I heard the boyfriend say let's go. Then we both drove away. Man, I still wish I had thrown her at the wall. I called the cops back then, but pffffffffff, useless ****. I was just another f#@kin psycho to them.
The theme here, maybe the ***** will think next time before getting violent. I was detoxing and could not do anything except call the police, a waste. But I warned her of next time, don't think you are a friend just because we shared an in-patient unit. I WARNED HER FOR NEXT TIME. Man, people are nuts. It's a good thing I took my meds before leaving the house. Thank God.
Chatahan...............wildcat...............
Mrsrat,
I don't trust you. How about that. You said I got wierd listening to music. Do you have something against music or just don't like storms? Jealousy perhaps? I will always make a living on my own.......you try it.......
Chatahan......wildcat
We don't even have a T.V., all our time is spent online if we are awake.
What I may have seen as you speaking strangely, perhaps was you quoting a song ? If that is what I was reading, I am sorry I thought you were getting overtired and needed sleep. We sound like we have both been thru a whole lot of the same things in our lives and I did not post that to offend you. Please keep in mind, I'm only in day 5 here and doing the best I'm able.
In fact, I took my meds early, at 4 a.m. and I hope to fall asleep soon. Sleep helps take the pain away. I got 3/4 of the banana down me (first food since monday) and a few sips of ensure I had here (disgusting stuff that it is).
I'm so sorry to hear of what you went thru when you went out to eat. No one should have to go thru that when they are going thru what we all are in here. We need kindness, not people in our faces who have brought pain into our lives in the past.
I've been homebound for the majority of the past 4 years. My way out to the world is online. All my friends are in here in different areas. I do hope to get out again in another month once I get a new wheelchair or maybe by then my legs will regain some of their lost strength, no one knows till the time comes. I don't say anything to anyone ever in offense, unless they are a troll, I know you aren't that, you have been posting in here for quite some time from what I've read. I posted to you from concern, not from contempt. I'm sorry I made a bad day for you worse, I didn't intend that.
MrsRat
Looking back on the posts yesterday sickens me. I think that I have become way too cynical, and the help this board offers has done all it can for me. Instead of people's posts inspiring me, I feel more angry that they aren't better yet. I've been here a long time, and the same people post the same sad stuff over and over...the struggle continues... it never goes away here. Instead of recognizing it is what it is, I let the ugly anger out here...obviously that doesn't help anyone.
I am not cured, and I have to live with the ugly fact that this addiction will haunt me forever. It pisses me off. I will take my anger elsewhere - like into a kick-boxing class or something.
Again...I am sorry.
Lisabet,
Hi, I hope you don't think I am off the wall. Those two
tornado songs I refered to are more county and western style. Most other music is island cha cha and rock style. No Rap.
I am really tired, it is 2:00am here, (Takuusa) I have a bad headache and fell asleep with my cats with my computer still on. Weird, I have always turned it off in the past. I guess it was one helluva day. I have to wake early to take two cats in for spaying. (Taakka). I had better run for now as I am about to doze off at the keyboard. Take care. I'LL EMAIL YOU.
Chatahan...........wildcat
Mrs,rat,
I forgot to add you but did explain the music you asked about.
I am in Guam, not Florida although I lived there seven years as a Vet Tech. I own land there too in Punta Gorda. I have been on Guam going on 19 years this DEC,3
Also the 16th anniversary of Super-typhoon Kim on Saipan!!!!! (One of my best), I might add, I went there for it even though the stupid military weather service here at the time said it would miss by 200 miles. I think direct eye passage over northern Saipan is close enough, ney? I have great video. You've probably seen it on TLC, they say it's Paka though. That's the British for yah. They used alot of my stuff without paying. I could sue, but too lazy right now. Maybe someday. I need a new roof. Mine is rusted metal on solid concrete. It leaks like a strainer. My typhoon check was embezzelled by some ***** along with 386,000.00. of others deposits. I hope she enjoys her chushy jail cell.
Anyway, that is minor stuff for now.....Take care and God Bless.
Chatahan................wildcat
All of this doesn't matter antway..Just like a couple of months ago remember I tried to apologize many times and you just kept coming back at me.Well,I think as I said if you want to be here without having to be concerned about me being here too then just say so.I am sure Medhelp isn't going to ban you.Why would they?
The only profanity used was by your idiot friend last night.
I think your apology was genuine but you don't need me to tell you that.So how about it,TRUCE?
Bill
To Everyone :
The bottom line though, is forgive and forget. Live and let live.
This place should be for everyone. Regardless of past issues or whatever. As long as they come forward...
That is my opinion.
The bottom line is she obviously needs help and support and was going about it the wrong way. I can assume most of us has done that in some way shape or form.
Also, due to this being a public forum. I guess the only way to get along is to not post to whom you can not help. Or whom you do not truely care to help. If someone posts something you don't like, let it ride.
To bring more anger and hatred will only wear you down......
Chezz
My friend meant no harm - it doesn't matter if anyone believes it was or wasn't me. Anyway, I think a truce is in order...at least I can leave knowing I apologized and meant it.
Hellbent,
Condradulations on six months. That's a great accomplishment considering what you had to got through to get there.
Chatahan........wildcat
And BTW - That is what I figured happened. Is that Groovy was joking at first, then you guys both got defensive and out of hand.
I am glad that is settled.
Live and let live, What a good Sunday this is....
Chezz
lee.
desperate swampmonster
I was taking 10-15 mgs of klonopin daily, and stopped cold. I really don't reccommend this - it was horrible. I was w/ding from oxycontin at the same time, but I think that the benzo w/d symptoms were worse than the opiate withdrawals. I didn't sleep for 23 days STRAIGHT. Ended up in the ER.
I saw people tapering for a year with your dosage on newsgroups. These people had anxiety disorders though, and probably just couldn't take the kind of pain addicts can (and **** can we take alot :)
Why were you prescribed xanax in the first place? How long have you been taking it? The duration of your addiction is almost as important as how much you take as far as determining the severity of withdrawals.
Swampy,
I remember you. Congrats on coming clean but be real careful with the benzo Xanax. Ask your Doc for a longer lasting one for taper such as Valium or Klonopin and do really taper. If you are afraid of abusing don't even start because w/d's are hell and back.
KavaKava I am afraid does not mix well with benzos, I have tried it and hallucinated for two days. I was in full detox however but it did nothing to stop the shaking, seizures or Delirium Tremens. You may try it later after all drugs are out of our system say one month from your detox date. Ask your Doc about the taper of Xanax, it is so short acting and more easily addicting so I've been told than the two other benzos I mentioned above. Good luck and God Bless.
Chatahan.........wildcat
Suze
Hellbent,
I don't know how you did it. I was almost the same 10-12 mg's of Klono, 300 mg's of straight Codiene and one bottle Gin. c/t sucks. It really shakes the mind and body doesn't it. The 23 days no sleep or eat I can relate to. I almost died until my doc put me back on the Klono. Are you off of everything now? if you don't mind me asking?
Chatahan........wildcat
I'm all for giving people plenty of clean slates, but this is a person that created 4 accounts here, pretending they were all different. This is a person that needed to create these accounts in order to pretend that she had support for herself and her position, as nobody else would go to bat for her. That kind of reckless dishonesty is a danger to the integrity of this board, as are her staggeringly judgemental posts to others.
I think this board would do well to take a break from groovygirl mariposa1 mariposa2 1fortheroad, but that's just one mans' opinion.
My apology was for the general population of this board for mistakes made over the past few days. You and bmac have never been especially nice to me, and I wasn't really asking you for a second chance. I fully expect to be banned from here, and I'm not asking for forgiveness from you or anyone else. I felt like an apology from me was fully necessary to others on the board who don't come here to here that kind of stupid ****.
I have spent too much time at my computer lately...wallowing in my own misery...I got carried away. I was out of control, and I can't take it back.
Lee,
Bluegrass is a wonderful form of music.One of my favorite bands is String Cheese Incident.You can find their music on line at
www.sci fidelity radio.com I think.Check it out.I always wanted a Martin D28.I love their sound.Nothing better.
I also have an upright bass which is very hard for me to play but it sounds so good.It sits in my living room like a piece of furniture.Looks as good as it sounds.Well continued good vibes to ya!
bill
Suzie
Happy happy joy joy.
It is sunny and nice here. Spent too much time on the computer yesterday. I am spending with the wife doing whatever she wants to do.
So have a good one. Take some time out to just enjoy the day too!
Chezz
I have started my day coming to this forum for a loooong time. I am trying to think of a new way to start the day...my husband suggested yoga, but that would be hard to do with a dog, cat and kid running around...I'll come up with something.
Thanks for forgiveness...
we have gone from slamming each other to being civil and actully nice to each other.It just goes to show we are all human and *&^%
up at times.It should be a lesson to everyone here,things can get better.Have a good day and don't let depression keep you from living.But somehow knowing you the way I do,it won't last long.Peace to you!
Bill
there are so many good people here, with all kinds of experence and intelagence regarding pain . and pain meds.
recovery from the pills and dealing with chronic pain.
we are all lucky to have fourms like these to go to to find answers.
there is nothing worse than being alone and not having anyone to talk to. so welcome to any new people just finding this fourm.
stick around and post any questions you might have,
peace !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hippy / michael
So Mariposa...will you marry me? Oh yeah...I forgot, I'm already married with a child..I'm also an old, tired and burned out drug addict. Besides I would not want to marry anyone who would want to marry me.
May you find the peace and happiness in your life that you seek and no doubt will find.
Thank you for your sweet words...I have been depressed for awhile now, and I need something, but I don't know what. I'm just sick and tired of being sick and tired...and angry. Anger takes so much out of you doesn't it?
Thank you and thank you everyone who has had kind things to say...I don't deserve it.
is incorrect.
i have been here the last 10 months and i know the preson you refer to .
i am not going to explain the situation , but i will just
say you are incorrect..
when we presume to much , we wind up with our foot in our
mouth.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!please don't take my post wrong.
i am just trying to clear up a misunderstanding. before
it grows legs.
my sister is the one i am concerned with now, it
is really hared on her with 5 kids as it is. let alone
having to take one to dr.appoinment all the time.
there seems to be a lot of organazitions to chip in with
the money part of it.
anyway it was a good day
thanx agian.
-Not sure what that misunderstanding is, she already copped to having all those accounts. I think it's pretty clear that she was also posting as 1fortheroad yesterday. All I said was that she was dangerous to this board, especially to new people (and I saw that when she was "groovygirl" too - I've been on here quite a while myself).
If you haven't read how she treated the person going through withdrawals yesterday, perhaps you should. It helps to actually know what went down before drawing a conclusion on it...
And don't worry about this thing "growing legs". I am not invested in this conflict very much at all, or this board for that matter. I've got some clean time now, and want to help other addicts if I can, and this is just another way to do that. Peace bro'
"religion is for those trying not go go to hell - spirituality is for those who have already been there"
(Hellbent),
Again, you are the wise one here. I like your posts. Even if not always positive, they are honest.
(Referring to the above poster), We all, already have been to hell or we would not be here getting off the stuff or asking for help. I never blamed the devil for my addiction!! I simply implied in my spiritual beliefs, that the devil whispers to keep one away from God or spirituality, church meetings, etc.
It has already been proven through scientific study that people whom attend church, relapse less than those only attending N.A./A.A. ETC. I am open to most beliefs. I wish the fake that posted above you,(scared to use his own name after telling me not to respond to him or him to me), would learn how to read.
Just, as in some earlier posts, some of the same referred to things allegedly said to them that were said to others and clearly marked so as well.
Thanks for your input today. Some of these people just don't want to let their anger die. That's their own hell, not mine or yours. I plan to improve my life, not wallow in self pity as they seem to want to do. Take care,,,, dare I say!!!! God Bless, LOL.
Chatahan.........wildcat
Jesus, I wouldn't go that far...
You know, I never read the post of yours you refer to, and wasn't commenting on it. I will say that I know plenty of religious folks who couldn't get or stay clean until they worked the steps of na/aa. I especially know they are saving my ass on a daily basis, as long as I stay open, willing, and work hard at it. But I wouldn't touch this argument with a ten foot pole! I'm actually off to a meeting right now, or I'd talk a little longer
she and my self were given new names because someone
found a way to use them about a month ago. groovy never tried to hide this fact.
she also has been blunt to say the least with people.
and i can see why a lot of people are turned off by it.
whether people are right or wrong they should be treated with some level of respect.
i go to na meetings every week. and i just try to be of some help to people here when ever possible.
you will never see me posting anything rotten or lousy.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hellbent,
No arguement there, I was agreeing with you, but as you admitted you did not read the entire thing.
Yes, I strongly believe in N.A./A.A. however, I do believe spirituality is part of those two groups. STEP-2 for example. Are you a greater or higher power? Wise comments from experience, yes, higher power, no. I never declared you God. You still seem to have quite a bit of anger stored up, that's where the spirituality part comes into play so I have been told.
Good luck at your meeting. take care,
Chatahan........wildcat
i am new to the fourm but not to addiction.
i am a recovering alcoholic of 3 yrs. i found out
a few weeks ago how it is to go through methadone
withdraws.i wasn t sure what was happening till
the pain got so bad i ask my wife to get me a
couple of her pills for my back,in about an hour i
felt alot better and i started putting it together.
now here i am with another self inflicted problem.
AA is awonderful program and works great for my
alcoholism but nobody at any of my meetings knew
anything about this pill thing.so ive been looking
everywhere and found you guys. i've been sitting here
going over all this stuff for hours.thank you so
much for being here!!now i am taking 20mg every
other day to keep from crashing completly.any ideas?
i didn't pay attintion to the drug part when i was
in treatment huh? FLAMES
It's sometimes hard to get the context of peoples comments here. We can't look each other in the eye, and we don't know each others' personalities, humour, etc...
Hellbent,
Like I said, no arguement intended and I do think you know more than you realize. I was trying to compliment you, not bring you down. Your experience is a wealth of knowledge to others that may otherwise suffer as the previous poster just implied.
Take care,
Chatahan......wildcat
PS, vics even cleared the fog!
msblacey
mrsblacey,
I have not been in that situation, but thanks for responding because I am sure you will help a great many who are using and are afraid to ask or comment. Thanks for posting. Keep coming back in spite of the negative nonsense lately. That will be solved soon, maybe even me. That's okay. The forum needs people who have been through it to tell others. Thank you and God Bless.
Chatahan......wildcat
Also, i have tried many pills to get off vicodin..the one that worked the best, got rid of the symptoms almost completely..was Ultracet, which is related to Ultram..it is the mildest of the opiates, and it is non-scheduled. It really has worked to get off vicodin..if any one asks..that is a good alternative...and may work for percocet or other drugs as well.
msblacey
msblacey,
I have not taken Methadone but there are a few here that have and have said withdrawal is terrible. There is the Thomas Formula, I am not sure if you have seen it, but it is commonly posted for the more uncomfortable symptoms. Hippee has it down pat.
I have gone through some hellacious withdrawals, but mainly Benzos and Codiene. From what I have been reading, (Bmac, and Hippee) are the ones to ask about Meth. They usually suggest tapering which you appear to be doing, That is good, COLD TURKEY/SUCKS..... no matter how you try it.
I am sure one of them will answer you soon, they have the experience. Mine is only Codiene, Klonopin and alcohol. Bad enough. I no longer take Codiene, but the damn alcohol is really a pain in my butt...... The Klonopin I take as directed. But Alcohol seems to haunt my brain cells into thinking I am getting something great and then I feel like ****. You would think logic could overcome it but it does not.
Thanks for posting,,,, I am sure you will get more intellegent answers for your concerns later on. Welcome again, good luck and God Bless.
Chatahan.........wildcat
anyhow, take care..and i will post again soon! Glad to hear you are off codiene. All of these damn pills are evil.
good night!
msblacey~
Msblacey,
I am now preparing myelf for sleep. I am listening to music, a rare occasion here. You would not want to know this one. It happens to be (someones gonna get hurt before you're through) No intentions there, I recorded it 20 years ago. It came after (here comes the rain again). Now (Take me down)!
I cannot sleep some months unless I hear typhoon songs. I did not write these, just enjoy them. Man, I need sleep. I have to get up early so I had better go. I feel a storm brewing in the air!!!!.
Chatahan.....wildcat
Hell - I wasn't asking for your forgiveness, and like I said, I fully expect to be banned today. I can see how my brutal honesty isn't needed here. People need more of a shoulder to cry on. I know I need to work on being less judgemental and more supportive. All my anger about addiction and whatever, seems to come out in my writing. I'll probably start an addiction journal and let it all out there where no one can get hurt.
Hippee - I will work on the "brutal honesty" thing, and thank you for your kind words. I'm thrilled to hear about the adoption...I was adopted.
Mariposa, if you write a book I had better not see any references to my situation or GUAHAN OR YOU'LL BE SUED BIG TIME.
Take care,
Chatahan..........wildcat
sheila
Peace to your life!
Suzie
sheila
Koala
Peace to you!
Suzie
Suzie
I had ovarian cancer when I was 24, so the hormone thing was dealt with a long time ok. I am 40..just turned 40. I get sick to my stomach and feel terrible. I live in a samll town. I just don't know how to deal with the pain....
sheila
It is tough and i have been here before, i know it will pass but the emotional relive it brings along with the pain relive is wonderfull, i simple can not take it as described, iam a alcoholic & addict simple, I have 14 years no drinking. Anyway would like to hear from anyone in the same boat or simular, thanks I have enjoyed the posts and just need help.
Sincerely,
Popeye
Someone on here said magnesium got rid of them completely for her....who knows.
I really appreciate your post, Thanks, day four tomorrow and no pills in the house thank god Or i think, wait I KNOW i would take them. Peace
Maybe it will stop now. I just want things to get back to normal. If I get flamed for emailing cindy then so be it. BMAC, You were my first contact on here and my complaint was not about you, you were just defending yourself. ANd by the way, can i have a picture of you? LOL I'll sent you one of me that you can throw darts at! Peace everyone, you just don't know how this form has helped and I get real nervous when people argue.
Hugs,
Suze
Suzie, i am often on late at night..my email is ***@**** you need to talk, email me and I will turn on my yahoo for ya.
Obviously, with this amount of people participating and the varying degrees of unhappiness that many of the forum members feel, there are going to be arguments. I can't claim to like everyone, but I can try to have more respect and compassion in my posts.
Scared of the future
I'd talk with your dr...then decide what you want to do...good luck.
Hugs,
Suze
Your post hit close to home.
Suze
If you ever get a chance, pick up a book called " Tuesdays with Morrie" It will make all the sense in the world to you..I know it will.
Hugs,
suze
and by the way..My email address is ***@**** (two nn's) if you ever want to talk. I post my email alot but aside from lizzy and some strangers that find my email address on here looking for help I get no replies to my requests for emails. lOL
Bmac, i was wondering if you would email me too, I have a question for you.
noone likes me. :( LOL
But thats okay, I'm a big girl..I can handle it. LOL
I have tried cold turkey many times and it was just too much too soon. I am in a slow tapering process now, and down to 4-5 Norco (10/325 Vicodin) a day.
Now, this is no picnic, and yes the depression is hitting me, but I realized one thing recently, really when I arrived at this forum. GEtting off of Pain meds requires a well thought out plan, plus a support system, and maybe the help of a doc that understands what this is all about.
I was trying and failing, trying and failing, and wondering why. When I met up with the folks at this forum, I found out something that made me feel much better. I am not alone.
Try with everything you have to start tapering now. Create a document that lists all the reasons why you MUST do this and read it daily. And support the folks here. Check out the Thomas Recipe and maybe consider getting an addiction doc involved.
I hope this helps and I hope to see you around.
Rex