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Hi, would Tylenol 3 help at all in cutting down Oxy.  I mean replacing it at times with the tylenol.
I would like to taper off and hopefully use the tylenol as an aid for withdrawals. I take 60mg of Oxy and 30mg of percs a day.  I am so serious about getting off.  It has ruined my life and I have lost everything.  I am at bottom and just trying not to end it all.  Thanks
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Taper down from what you are taking. It would take a lot of Tylenol 3 to replace the opiates you are on now.
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It depends on what your final #1 goal is.. If you want to use the Tylenol 3 to get off the oxycontin so that it is easier to quit the tylenol 3 rather than oxy, then yes that is a better plan and you would also be in less severe withdrawl (withdrawal) by doing this.. But you do not want to try and replace that feeling you were getting from the oxy with tylenol 3 because no matter how much you take it will never make you feel as strong as the oxy either..  So you need to thinkr eal hard aboiut what you really want here, and then be very careful with the tylenol 3's when doing this..  

I too am addicted to oxy and I was taking more than 400mg per day, but not too long ago I decided to wean myself down to a lower dosage so that I can manage it better.. Now I am taking around 150-200mg per day and never more.. It is rough but it can be done..

BEST OF LUCK
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Hey- you sound SO much like me a few days ago.  I am on day #4 of no vic's and was sitting on a bottle, entire bottle, of tyl 3's.  Honestly- it just makes it worse.  Before I actually quit, I tried to taper using those, and it SUCKED!  I was WAY too anxious because I was expecting a high- and those gave me 0.  They aren't the same, and will only give you a teeny tiny taste- flush them and do this harcore!  That's what I did.  I sat on that bottle for my 1st 2 days of sobriety, and then on the 2nd night- flushed them.  SO liberating.  "Oxy's are hard to get off of, I hear.  I never did them because I knew I would get hooked.  Just dig deep inside of yourself- fake it till' you make it- act as if you're the person you WANT to be- and keep posting.  It's not as bad as you think- atleast it wasn't for me.  God gave me a bit of a break on this one.  After 9 months of praying every night not to let this addiction take me away from my baby girl- he gave me some relief in this detox.  Talk to atleast 1 person that you know won't judge you and will support you.  Call them if you need help- call them when you're tired- sad- weary.  Atleast 1 person NEEDS to know about this- so that you can start to REALLY come clean- mentally and physically.
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thanks so much for the advice.  The sadness and depression are the worst as my wife of 27 years, just left me for another man and took my sons 8 & 13 yrs old with them.  I am determined.  but also very suicidal.  I do have famly support.
Thanks again
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Welcome to the forum...there is a lot of good help and support here.
You need to get clean so you can stay a part of your boys lives. I also have 2 sons the same age...they need you...
we'll help you in any way we can...have you thought about getting some counseling to help you deal w/ this?
It's also good that you have your family's suppport!!!
Keep posting!!!!
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Are u on any kind of anti-depresent.???  It scares me that you are going through so much besides your drug use, and your state of mind right now...Don't get me wrong, at one point i think we all say maybe if i would just die, then it would be better, BUT it is the addiction talking, So beat it, don't let that darn pill rule and continue to ruin your life..
we are here for you
r2r
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yes, going to get counseling.   thank you all.
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yes, am on paxil
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glad u are on something, also glad you have a counseler..I see on too and it helps so much
I have been clean for 5 months from lorabs...I am wishing you the best...you can do this...Life is so much better now....
r2r
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For what it's worth, here is how I would approach it. And I've done it- and it has sucked- it has been hard- been approx 1 month now- you can do it too.
1st of all quit and get rid of the percs and tyl 3 immediately. Do not just go put them somewhere where you will get them later- because then you will.
The oxy addiction is the ball buster that you have to get thru. I would do 60/day for a week- maybe 3 x 20 over a 24 hr period. Then the next week, same regimen only @ 40mg day, the following week 20/ day, then 10 day, 5mg day, down to zero/ day. This will require some fairly fine pill cutting. A razor blade will work.
Keep in mind you will be going thru WD even as you decrease dosage- but it won't be as severe. And when you go from 5 or 10 mg day to 0 you will WD again- but at the rate I spelled out, you should be able to survive it okay- probably even keep going to work the whole time- just hating life. God bless and good luck
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I just took my third 10mg tablet of oxy.  that is is for today.  so that is 30mg total. and 5 percs.  I will take ativan to help me sleep.
That is tapering for me.  was between 15 and 20 combined amount.  The last 2 days I had six of each.  Today, as I said, 3 oxy and 5 percs.  Can I expect to stay at that total of 8 for a while.   Or am I fooling myself and there is still a lot in my body so taking 3 today is not giving me the actual feelings that I may expect in the next few days if I stick to 8 for a while?





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I'm guessing the percs you are talking about are 5's.? So between the oxy and percs you are at 55mg/ day oxycodone intake into your body.?  The percs have a bunch of apap in them so I'd ditch them when you can
55/ day is a good start. Stick with that a little while, then taper down some more. Never go higher on mg's or you are right back to where you started- and you don't want that.
Be careful w/ the ativan- or before you know it that will have you hooked too. I would really use very little of that. I was taking some Ambien and that **** gave me migraine headaches
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Yes, I think the percs are 5's.  It is actually called Endocet.   I'm just wondering if I went down to 30mg oxy to quick.  Went from 6 a day for the last while, to 3 today.  I don't use the Ty3.   I don't feel too bad at the moment as took my last 30min. ago.  Also, Ihave been chewing them but am trying not to now so they last longer.  As I said earlier, I'm guessing I'll be worse tomorrow as teh oxy starts to reduce in my body to the 3 I took today.  Guess what I'm trying to say, and not very well, is that the higher dose is likely still in me and having 3 today is not a true picture of what is to come.  Am I correct?  ANd thank you all for your support.   This is fantastic to know there are so many other folks out there with the same troubles.  
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I'm taking 2 x2mg ativan for sleeping.  As well as 1 x 0.5 apo-alpraz (alprazolam) for sleeping.  The Apo, I have been on for years for anxiety and didn't use it very often...until now.  Never used ativan until my wife left with the boys the day after xmas.  Some of you may know, the pain of losing your love of 30 years, is a hundred times worse than a week of withdrawals.   I'd trade in a heart beat.   Anyway, sorry. Getting sentimental now.  I use the time after pill time to type, as don't feel up to it any other time.  So just want to thank you all while I can, once again, for your support.  I feel like I have found a new friend who will help me through this.  One other thing, anyone reading Eckhart Tolle's books?   He has also helped keep me alive.  
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I think you are going to be alright. You really have 2 issues going on. Maybe concentrate on the opiate one first. I can imagine two at once will be unreal.
I don't think you tapered too fast. Stick to your current dosage and continue slow taper. I believe you need to get it in your head that you can beat this and nothing is going to stop you. That's what I did- and we are not young kids anymore. Now is the time for action.
I will google the Eckhart Tolle thing. I read a lot. You can send me a message whenever you want. Take care
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Yes....your benzo dose is high and you can not CT that....one at a time and it looks as though you want to do the opiates first   I tapered and made it....just stick to your plan....prepare post and pray....when you decide to taper on the benzo....maybe you can get something else for sleep....xanax and ativan are not really designed for sleeping pills although I know they help.....stay focused
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Please excuse my ignorance.  I don't understand the term Benzo.  Is that the percs or the oxycontin?   And opiates, I thought they were all opiates.
Are you saying I cannot CT the percs or the Oxy".  Sorry to be a pain.   (no pun...really)
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A "benzo" is a Benzodiazapene and are commonly prescribed for anxiety.  I was also prescribed Ativan at 1mg every night before bed and they helped me sleep very well.  Your Ativan and Alprazolam are benzodiazapenes and you should be careful when quitting them.  Oxycontin and Percocets (Endocet) are both opiates and can definitely be quit cold turkey but you should probably taper of the Benzos....

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Thank you so much for clarifying.  I have started putting  all this usefull information into action.  Other than the grave, I have no where to go but up from here.
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Dear Fed Up

I was w/d from about 160-240 oxy a day and did is rapid, like 80 then 20 then 5 then 2 (5 being my day 1 b/c wd started bad) I am on day 3 and it was so bad I went to my doc and got T3 and mild sedative. Let me tell you, t3 is sooooo mild, it ccan't compare, but it helped me through today, just a few of them. Just took the edge off - no high, nothing, just took it back a notch. Codeine is not hard to w/d from unless you take huge amounts. Like, don't take 50 a day. I'm going to take 3 tomorrow, then 3, then 2 unitl i feel I can do 1 then off. As long as I don't take oxy, I consider it a miracle.

I am seeing the light. After three days in bed with terrible nausea and pain - with two children, a business and a job, I MUST get back to work. So, I hope this helps. I know that codeine is much milder than oxy, so if you need something to wean, and not go c.t - flush the oxy and get t3 b/c you won't get a buzz, and if you only get about 20, then you'll be able to cut the w/d pain a bit. Just my experience. I may find w/d terrible when I am down to 1 a day, but today...no way, I am feeling better by the minute. I can walk, I can care for my kids, I don't feel like cramping up and dying anymore. You can do it!!!! send me a message if you want more info, I used to work for a major pharma company, moved from that to open a local sourced natural gourmet food shop, so I know a lot about the drugs and how they act. Please let us help you!!!
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Hi
How are you? It's the 29th today. I took 1 T3 yesterday (day 5 for me) down from 4 x 80 oxy a day and I feel normal. Today, I have a headache, but ok. Still cloudy. I - personal opinion only here - found that the tylenol 3 did help the w/d when they were REALLY BAD. But, now I have to not rely on taking one T3 when I feel something because one leads to two leads to where I was. I told my doc to stop giving me as I realized I would have to live with pain as long as I had a physical job and small children, and masking it was not helping, so my source is gone. Let's see if I can stay clean. I do feel free of the oxy, the w/d from that was so bad, I can't even believe I made it.
How are you? did you try the T3? or just CT? let me know how you are----no matter how you are, I'm not one to judge or lecture. Even posting when one is high is a step in the right direction (I mean not YOU or ME but anyone!). Good luck and I was thinking of you today. Take care. L
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