oxycotin detox and methadone maitnance

[hippy]

i have a neice who is 19 and has been hooked on oxycotin
for about 2 years,in the philadelphia area the neww solution
for young people to get off it is methadone maitnance for
a one year program, that cost 100 dollas a week.
with all my experence with drugs , useing them and getting clean
she asked me what i thought,it was drastic but probley safer.
my question is , im i crazy but woulden't a 30 day detox/rehab
be smarter then getting locked into a year long metadone program.i would think as a society we could offer young people
a better solution,my neice has told me she has more then a few
friends who are now involved with the methadone program due
to oxy addiction, all being under 21. due they have shorter
methadone programs, she also said they want cash and you can try to get your ins to reinburse you.
i have no experence with these programs.
any input  would help.
thanks --------------hippy

[Joanne19792001]

Hi,
You are on a 2003 post so you will probably better off posting a new question on forum. Sorry i'm not any help but just thought i'd let you know in case you were wondering why not many replies.

[handcuffed]

i want to quit but its hard for a 24 year old chik to go thru that bad of detox, hell its bad for anybody i just need help!!!

[handcuffed]

sorry about that first one :) im new on here and im in hell!! about to the point of suicide... im taking about 100mg or more of methadone a day (by needle) i was on oxy for fibro but the dude im living with takes all my meds. I dont have any one so I cant do anything. what do i do??
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[doner]

Hello all, I would like to post a formal appology,firstly to Debbie for giving such strong advice on her questions about Methadone. Stating that it was "THE DEVIL" was out of line and I also apologized at her personal website. Every individual choses their own path and decides what is right for them. I chose to use meth to w/d from opiates and made a bad decision. I walked into methadone  blindfolded. I am paying the consequences for my ignorance. My intention was never to offend but to protect people from making the same mistakes I made. I feel that methadone should be used for recovering heroin addicts or for those with chronic pain. However just because I feel that way doesnt mean everyone else should have to read about it.People come to this forum for help and advice and I should not be standing at the top of the mountain screaming that methadone is the anti-christ. At any rate I apolgize for voicing my opinion too loudly and please believe my intentions were good and were not meant to offend anyone as I appreciate everyone who has helped me here. I will make a true effort to only ask questions rather than respond to them due to my lack of knowledge on such things and amount of clean time. My deepest regets to those I have offended I will learn to behave in a more professional manner. Yours truely,Melissa

[doner]

thank you for posting to Debbie about meth. I read a post in here somewhere (forget who it was from)that was talking about addiction being like a scary movie and wanting to yell"DONT GO IN THAT DOOR" and thats exactly how I feel for her. In her post she claimed it to be the WONDER DRUG which tells me she has no idea. At this point you are my HERO. You are where I want to be.I hoped that someone with more experience would get to her.Again, you are an inspiration to me and I think of you often. Take care,Melissa

[MethMan]

Debbie,
To use methadone for an extended period of time is a MAJOR mistake, unless it is being used for chronic pain.  All withdrawals are hell, to be sure.  But talk about a ride to hell, try meth W/Ds.  Right now, I am 7 months away from Day 1 and STILL feel the effects.  Someone with a lot more knowledge than I said that I could feel this for TWO YEARS.  Think about that one.  It's tough going through any withdrawal, but if you take on the meth monkey, she's got a little something for you, BELIEVE ME.
Meth can be used on a VERY SHORT timeframe to help get off a major oxy habit (or the like) but if you (and I do mean YOU) don't watch it, you'll wake up like I did 16 years later in line at a meth clinic.
You need to stop and really think this one over.  I mean REALLY think it over.
Peace,
Methman

[jack daniels]

may the good lord help everyone here..amen

[jack daniels]

the sooner you detox the better....don't put it off....5 day clean now.....life is aready better...you my feel like **** but on th e other hand you will be VERY prod of your self....GOOD LUCK....

[doner]

OH MY GOD How could I have missed your post. METHADONE IS THE DEVIL. If it just takes away the wds and keeps away the depression and cravings as you mentioned then it's too good to be true. Trust me. I too was an opiate addict and thought using methadone was the best thing. Now I am in for the fight of my life. I used it for 6-7 mos and it worked, then what. Time to come off the methadone. It has been the longest most painful of all the opiate withdrawls. I am not kidding or over exaggerating it is a nightmare. I dont know what else to say to get my point across. No addict walks away with no pain. Trust me if methadone was a good idea for long term narcotic abusers everyone would do it. If you are as weak as you mentioned in your post you'll never be able to get off the meth. You will drag this ball and chain with you for the rest of your life. Please trust me. I as we speak am going through hell of my life. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. Would someone on this board who has more time in get to her. Methman, Where are you?  Truly yours,Melissa

[jack daniels]

get off asap...the only way to stop is to stop..... i will pray for you......but man get off the stuff...now!!!!

[jack daniels]

just quit!!!!!just do!!!!!flush the **** ...and give it ALL up.....go through the w/d and be done with it....god bless..jack

[jack daniels]

would someone please post the thomas resipe...i need the help...jack

[Expillman]

Debbie, congratulations on your success!  Please be aware that Methadone (Dolophine) is an opiod just like heroin or Oxycontin.  One of the properties of Methadone is that it has a long half-life and can accumulate in your system.  You CAN'T stay on it for a long period of time safely.  Make your goals incremental, but please consider the goal of becoming opiate free.  Please write me if you have questions, I worked in pain management for 20 years.

[Debbie33]

hi guys.......im having trouble here, i cant find the message i posted yesturday and i cant see if anyone responded to it  : (  is there anyway one of you could email me at ***@**** and explain to me how i can find my post and how to check if there are any responses?  thank you so much!  im not sure if it even posted or if this one will either  :(     thanks in advance to anyone who can help me    :)
Debbie

[Debbie33]

Hi everyone, i am new here and this is my first time posting anything although i have been doing a lot of reading on this site.  I do have a commment to post but first i wanted to say thank you to all of you because although you dont realize it, you all saved my life.  I have been addicted to oxycontin, percocet, vicodin, fent. patches etc... for over 3 years and had a pretty hefty habit.  I had NO IDEA there was any help out there for someone addicted to oxy's!  ( oxy's were the "main" problem or D.O.C. )  i was sitting here balling my eyes out one morning saying to myself "how the hell am i going to get myself out of this mess??"  i came online and put in "oxycontin withdrawel" and found this message board.  I began reading and could not believe there were other people that were going threw the same thing as me and that there was help!!!!  I may be niave but honestly, id heard of "detox's" for heroin etc... but was unaware of how closely related oxy's were to heroin and that you could recieve the same rehab treatment.  So THANK YOU!! each and every one of you for being here and for saving my life, i have 3 children whom im sure are very grateful to you all as well :)  Okay, now for my comment....I agree with some of you how you say it depends on the persons state of mind to determine which route is best for them.  For me personally, methadone is the only thing that helps me.  I took the 9 day Detox route, the detox i chose used methadone to help with the withdrawel symptoms.  While i was at the detox i did not have any cravings for drugs AT ALL!  first time in a long time for that!!  The problem with this was since your only there for 9 days the methadone taper is rather rapid and when i left the detox i went right back to using, :(   i lasted only 2 hours.  I was so depressed and disappointed in myself but i remembered how i felt on the methadone.  You do not feel "high" but at the same time you do not feel sick.....no leg cramps, hand cramps, stomach pains, headaches,and most important ( to me anyways ) NO CRAVINGS!  I got a referal from the detox center for the methadone clinic here in my town.  I couldnt get in for a week and "used" the entire week :(  But i started the methadone dosing on wednesday, today is friday.....i havent touched a thing for the past 3 days and have no desire to what so ever!!!  Personally i think methadone gets a bad rap.  To me its like a miracle drug.  Its giving me my life back.  I do not understand exactly how it works although im learning more and more each day as ive collected much literature on it, but i do know it blocks something in your brain and keeps the cravings away and since it is a pain killing medicine i suffer no physical painful withdrawel symptoms and NO DEPRESSION!!!!    My depression when i would try to quit C.T. was a really big problem for me, i would get it really really bad and contemplate suicide as my only means "out".....i have no depression, no cravings and no body pains.....i love it.  I realize methadone is a touchy subject and views differ strongly, almost as strongly as the abortion issue, but for me personally, i think it is wonderful and would recommend it highly to anyone who would like to have the easiest possible withdrawel process.  Im unsure if im going to stay on methadone for the rest of my life or if i will begin a taper in 6 months.  Personally, ill probably stay on it for life because i have zero willpower.  I know people refer to it as "liquid handcuffs" but when i think of all i went threw on a daily basis to get the oxy's i can deal with a trip to the clinic every morning, plus you can earn "take homes" and recive a weeks worth at a time so you dont have to go every single day.  If anyone would like to talk to me about any of this or anything at all please feel free to email me at ***@**** in the subject line "message board" so i will know who you are and not delete you by mistake lol.  I wish everyone the best of luck in their journy for their sobriety!!!!!  God Bless you all!  and again, thank you for saving my life!!!!!   :)

[mrmichael67]

Please email me at ***@****.  I am a chronic pain patient from two spinal fusions.  I am fused from L4-S1.  I am on methadone maintenance for pain and will be the rest of my life.  Methadone can be a touchy subject around here and I would feel more comfortable helping you on the side.  I have also been on almost every pain med under the sun at one point or another.  Please, do contact me.

[MethMan]

Hello!
I wish I could provide what you are looking for.  I do have a few suggestions for you though.

Please try to post higher up in the threads here. You'll get more feedback.  Also, address your post to "MrMichael".  On almost every single point you made, he has commented on it in the past.  He's a wealth of information and you'd be well served by asking for some of it.

I wish you the best.
Methman

[NoTriplicates]

Writer's first posting to this forum. Have had a long protracted history suffering from the ravages of acute meningoencephalitis or "Mollaret's Meningitis" of viral etiology and for which there is no known cure. Treatment consists of saline drip and IM injections of meperidine HCL (Demerol), morphine sulfate, or equivalent. Accumulation of two dozen plus lumbar puncture procedures (spinal taps) since first diagnosis approx 23+ yrs ago has left the dura mater severely compromised and the L3/4/5
discs in the lower vertebrae have become herniated to the point where writer is now all but forced to take oxycontin otherwise
same will become terminally bedridden. MD now suggesting we try dolophine (Methadone) as I've lost 35+ pounds in a little more than three months. Anyone out there on methadone maintainence please advise. Thanks.

[sassy020]

thanks for all your help!!! (this is casey) the numbness has stoppped so i dont know what the is all about..its day 2 of no pills an im in complete hell!!! i cant sleep and i have the worst back ache!! monday night i had the worst leg pains, but i took an asprin, and they were gone...my back hurts so bac, i can never get comfortable and it sucks!!! do you have any advice on getting throught this easier, drug free!! no xanax( i threw them out) no valium....i know hot baths and stuff like that...do you know of anything to make me sleepy???? this sucks!!! this is the worst pain i have ever felt!! but i was told to look at the pain as a good thing!!! like my body is winning!! you have been here for me and i want to thank you!!!

so any advice on how to get me through this would be a big help!!
im not on medhelp alot so if you would email me...or if anyone wants to email me!!!
caseywerd_311***@****

thanks again thomas!!!! you are a huge supporter!!!

casey

[chick33npa]

My fiance, (getting married in June) has been on Oxy for approx. 2 months, started out 10, then 20, the 40, and then 80mg. Chewing 3 at a time,  just couldn't live without them. Couldn't face everyday occurances with out them.  It was terrible for me and our daughter to watch.  Today, finally, the doctor didn't give him anymore, a week before surgery on his back and now he is on Methadose,  don't completely understand why,  but hopefully it helps and after the surgery hopefully he can get away from all.  This is his second surgery in 3 years for a herniated disc.  All advice is welcome, this has been one tough road,  and I am sure it gets worse before it gets better.

[MethMan]

WOW!  Excuse my delay in responding. But by now, you will have massed over 30 days from methadone.  What an accomplishment!  Congradulations on a FANTASTIC job.
Have you done anything more spectacular in your life?  I know I haven't.
Step back, look in the mirror and feel nothing but pride.

[AKA Fool]

I'm amazed at your ability to see right through me.  

Even though the punch shouldn't have come my way given any direct reason, I'm sure it had something to do with karma.  We (that is my buddies and I), were attempting the "swoop and scoop" afterall...at closing, no less... at a bar that we should've known better.  In hindsight, I guess I had it coming giving the years of the addiction you speak of.  Especially, considering what I've got.

I'm still taking Clonipin 2x daily (probably 8 more days of these and that's it), but can proudly say I have beat that methadone gorilla for 24 days now.  I have also hiked 3 mountains with my dog and am feeling okay. Don't know why I did it.  Perhaps I thought the extreme excurtion would put me back in the pain zone where the meds would appeal again.  But strangely enough, it just made me feel better about me.

Next step is to get my mind straight....something more to get me that inner peace I just started searching for.  I know drugs aren't the answer.  Either are women, for that matter.

Thanks for listening.

[MethMan]

Apparently, you've come face to face with an addiction that no man has successfully detoxed from.  Women.
All one can do is try and maintain one's dignity in the face of such a strong adversary.
I wish you luck, my friend.  To date, I've been unable to shake that particular addiction.
Peace,
Mike

[RobynBanks]

Well I can't speak for anyone but myself (and I do not suffer from CP), but I have had a lot of first had experience with methadone maintenance and detox. It literally saved my life once and for that, I am grateful it is available as an alternative. Unfortunately-no, there are not many options for the opiate addicted. I am open to any out there but there just aren't there! (Bup is not avail in Canada). I am neither PRO or ANTI methadone. Its effectiveness is dependant on many variables in your life and on the person. I have had a successful experience with detoxing off of meth and no it was not pretty but I did do it without being hospitalized and remained clean for 7.5yrs I agree, when in the midst of a crazed addiction- you just want help. However, if anyone is inquiring about it on this board-they are doing the research. I think all sides should be put forth in order to help the person make the best decision for themselves. Methadone is not the ideal solution but for some it is the best solution currently out there. Lifestyle plays an important role of course...if you can drop out of your for a week or so to do a CT -why bother with the meth? Personally I have 2 small children to care for- so it is something I can handle...and am able to decrease slowly at times when my life permits.
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a person on the board if it helps someone else.....they get to see multiple points of view on the issue at hand. Anyone with FIRST HAND knowledge of being on or detoxing off methadone, has a point of view to share-this is not a competition. I have experience on meth maintenance, meth detox and 7.5 yrs of sobriety post-methadone. I share this in hopes of helping others rather than misleading.
respectfull & real, Robyn.